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Is there such a thing as an Amateur paysite?

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Submitted by jd1961 (95)
Yes, if the model does it free 23% 11 Votes
No, Amateur means no pay 32% 15 Votes
I think of it as (see reply) 45% 21 Votes

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47 Votes Total

Jan 16, 2008

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Drooler (220) Amateur means doesn't do it professionally. Amateur musicians, people who have day jobs but play gigs at clubs, parties, weddings, etc., don't do it pro bono as a general rule unless it's a favor to someone or they just want to get exposure. Same goes for "amateur" writers, "amateur" lecturers, and itinerant providers, of good and services, of all stripes.

So it's the same with amateur models and those who suck and fuck in front of a camera. That's how I've always seen it. Amateur doesn't mean "no pay," but it does of course mean "less pay than a professional would get."

I once knew a girl who worked part-time as an escort. No pay? Uh-uh.

Well, it will be interesting to see what the other "amateur" porn site reviewers have to say about this.

01-16-08  02:30am

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DivBZero (13) As Drooler indicates ..

Amateur means that it is not their main source of income.

However, in the adult world the term can also mean a style of depiction and photography.

01-16-08  04:20am

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asmith12 (124) Agree with Drooler and DivBZero above.
01-16-08  06:06am

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Denner (235)
If a bunch of people collect videos/photos from friends with shoots of ordenary/private people (themselves and the friends) having sex in front of some lousy (or good) camera - will that be considered amateur?

If the same private people think thay might make some money out of it and put it on a paysite - is it still amateur?

My first instinct is: Yes.

But if companies like DDF, Bangbros or 21Sextury start collecting videos/photos from private people, refine them and create a new site called something with the word "amateur"? I'm not so sure about that.

There may be a fine line...

01-16-08  07:23am

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Drooler (220) REPLY TO #4 - Denner :

Right. There are plenty of homegrown websites of amateurs doing their thing for extra moolah and/or an exhibitionist thrill.

And yes, there's real amateur and then there's a grayish amateur area. Viv Thomas has an amateur section, for instance, which fits your description.

Then there's plenty of "faux" amateur, such as a professionally shot Georgia Jones in recent "Amateur" sections of ATK Galleria. She's also been at ALS Scan, FTV, KarupsHA, Matts, Nubiles, Penthouse, Suze, and Twistys. Is she really an amateur now?

KarupsHA is a good example of an amateur/"amateur" paysite. Erica Ellyson and Sandy Summers sure don't seem to qualify as amateurs, but they've shown up recently there along with many lesser known girls.

As DivBZero pointed out, it's also a style of photography (real or faux "bad" photography, usually, IMHO) and of depiction (real or faux "bad" just woke up, hair's kind of a mess and didn't put on any makeup yet).

01-16-08  12:18pm

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jd1961 (95) If they're selling their ass on a paysite, they sure aren't amateurs.
01-16-08  02:26pm

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RagingBuddhist (65) By the dictionary definition, it's true that if you're being paid to perform, you're no longer an amateur. But I've always considered amateur porn just a label for people like the couple next door, or the girl down the street, engaging in some form of sexual activity on camera. You might call it homegrown video shot with no real studio to speak of. They might move on to become "names" later but, at first, I think they definitely start out with amateur status. The first few names that come to mind are Cathy, of Creampie Cathy fame, Dawn, of Dawn's Place and Heather on Ideepthroat.com. So, yeah, I think there are such things as amateur paysites - and, for the most part, I love 'em!
01-16-08  02:45pm

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PinkPanther (46) I agree with what's been said that there is plenty of both real amateurs - girls that photographers find on the street or in shopping malls, beaches, etc or who answer ads and they haven't modeled before - and faux amateurs. Any sites - and there are plenty - that refer to Sandy Summers or Jana Foxy as amateurs are just playing with the whole idea of what it means to be an amateur. Both these women have been professionally modelling for years as their source of income.

It used to crack me up when I was a member of Kate's Playground - if a member criticized Spunky, the webmaster/photog, for blurry photos in a set, both Spunky and Kate would say, "Hey, we're amateurs!" Yeah, right! Both had been doing their shit professionally for at least a couple of years at that point - that ain't amateur.

01-16-08  06:46pm

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pat362 (375) Any site which offers unkown or at least not yet known females, is by definition an amateur paysite. Since the performers are new. It also mean that they are just starting their possible porn career. Many of these amateur go on to become well known porn actresses be it internet and/or film.
01-16-08  07:11pm

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Thaeral (8) I think I agree with Drooler the most. Seems to match my thoughts closest.
01-16-08  08:06pm

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Drooler (220) REPLY TO #8 - PinkPanther :

"It used to crack me up when I was a member of Kate's Playground - if a member criticized Spunky, the webmaster/photog, for blurry photos in a set, both Spunky and Kate would say, 'Hey, we're amateurs!'"

Or you get something like, "This is ART, you nasty little philistine."

Both of these sorry excuses for blurriness crack me up. But there's a good response to them: "I seem to have momentarily forgotten my credit card number."

01-16-08  08:46pm

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ace of aces (179) amateuer does mean for me not seen in pornfilms
01-17-08  05:40am

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Pinche Kankun (Disabled) Bad or extremely PHUCKED up content - amateur :(
Bad or extremely PHUCKED up photography skills - amateur :(
Off the street love on camera - amateur :)
Badly created websites - amateur :(

Couples having sex under a Hustler branded flick - un-amateur :)
Sunrise Adams phucking da shit out of Steven St. Croix - un-amateur :)
Daisy Marie posing hella nude for Penthouse - un-amateur :D
Kat taking a naked shower for New Sensations - un-amateur :D

Full Body Nutshots on a Red Light District flick - Excellent un-amateur content :D
Full Body Nutshots on an Off the street love flick - Excellent amateur content =-D
Double Penetration - PHUCKED up un-amateur content >:(
Gagging - PHUCKED up un-amateur content >:(
Anal-lizing - PHUCKED up un-amateur content >:(
Bukkakes - PHUCKED up un-amateur content >:(
Beating your meat for 5 minutes in order to bust on a girl's face - Extremely PHUCKED up un-amateur content >:(

Paid or not! :)

01-17-08  08:45am

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Davit (46) We all know what the word 'amateur' literally means - but I think what the term means when applied to porn is 'amateur *looking*' - in other words, 'girl next door' image, simple but effective production/direction (often one or two cameramen filming in a bedroom) and a generally unpretentious look. That's my take anyway - I'm probably completely wrong!
01-17-08  10:21am

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hondaclf (2) Amateurs are just not professionals, like any other industry. Doing something as an amateur means you can someday take it further and move up to the pros but you have other means of support. where would we be without all the amateurs.
01-17-08  05:00pm

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jd1961 (95) I have to complain a little because this is NOT the poll question I submitted. I was not asking what people imagine the word "amateur" to mean. I meant it in a strict sense, like say the PGA golf tour which has some tournaments with amateurs in it. They participate for the love of the sport, or for experience, but they are not permitted to be paid, or else they lose their amateur status. And there is a difference. I know a lot of sites are conning paying customers with the allure of "amateur", as if it were a special thrill and as if "professionals" are somehow less appealing, or unclean in some way. I have seen amateur sites, and yahoo groups and that sort of thing where people are in it because they like it, or have a special fetish, but I have never seen an amateur paysite.
01-17-08  06:04pm

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nygiants03 (162) Yes, an amateur site is one like tacamateurs, or watcherswebamateurs. The site design and navigation is usually pretty poor, the video quality is usually a little fuzzy. But you get that real no-faking content, as if one of us were taping it in someones room.
01-21-08  11:09pm

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SnowDude (214) As Drooler put it in the first response, amateur doesn't mean you don't get paid, it just means it isn't your job. Models who get naked and/or have sex for money usually become jaded after awhile and that enthusiasm is often gone except for the best out there. I like amateurs for the fresh face and the part time job...because imagining what they do with the rest of their time can be a definite turn on. ;)
01-22-08  01:43pm

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surferman (5) If a girl does it heself, but is not part of a company or organisation, then I would consider her to be an amateur. Pay is irrelevant.
01-26-08  03:02pm

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ramscrota (12) To suggest that they are not amateurs imply because they get paid for it is absurd. The term 'amateur', to me, means girls who might do some porn to get by (eg students, unemployed, etc). Professionals are those who make a career - I imagine they might do strip joints, hi-class prostitution, as well as porn.

I think a lot of amateur girls do it for a bit of a kick, and by the looks on their faces, I think most of them enjoy it. The money is an extra bonus.

02-12-09  12:31am

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