Another great review admiral, and good investigation into the very cloudy download limit situation. Most if us hate download limits, but they're even worse when you're unclear what the download limit is.
Excellent and informative reply. This is one place I will join. The problem with the industry is scummy behaviour like pre checked cross selling and automatically charging your credit card if you press the wrong link, tarnishes everyone. Here is a very good explanation of why things turned out the way they did, which is just like life. Things don't always go the way you planned, which applies to life, love, industry, anything really.
Thanks for the info Pat. So it sounds as though this is not under new management after all? Rarely do I stay with a site for more than a month or two, and have never signed up for anything longer than a month originally. The material looks good even though it is old, and they don't seem to use scummy pre checked cross selling. Be interesting to hear if this is a standalone or whether it comes with the rest of the network.
According to Duke, this site does not come with bonus access to the No Rest Network sites, but according to the preview home page it does. Either way, it's good to see the No Rest Network out of hibernation even though it is under new management.
Another excellent review. I wasn't aware of this one until I saw your forum post. Question is - will it grow? If they update it looks to be a great site, with professionally shot material, and one that appeals to my taste. Nice find admiral.
"To be frank, pat, I really dont understand your need to raise the score for DDF, a site that in some sense tries to cheat its customers by unsecure billers and a customer support that sucks when their customers ask for help to cancel."
This we both agree on. Not that there's now a shortage of sites out there who are wiling to cheat customers. Nowadays signing up to a pay site and giving your credit card details is a highly risky affair. DDF don't deserve more than that score given the experience you could have with them.
Currently NETbilling/psnbilling is the top of the five options. Click the link. Alternatively they do have live support below those options and a "I don't know please help me," link.
Sites are currently not making it easy to cancel, which is not good, because every time I have problems it puts me off ever wanting to join a new site. Currently I cancel about three days after joining, just to make sure I have time dealing with any problems.
The trickery used nowadays is becoming harder to spot, and so nasty it's going to frighten off the porn fans who want quality over quantity and are still willing to pay for it.
Yes but my review had as many words. Thing is you can always sum up sites and networks in a few positives and negatives, while the bottom line is the feel and experience of the place. On any two sites, positives and negatives can be virtually identical, while the experience is very different.
Another accurate review in my opinion. It's such a shame this place is virtually dead, and they never showed any customer service, or need to promote, because this still has some of my favourite material, and a lot of it is 2-4 years old.
I wondered what you'd make of this one admiral. Material is rotated and the only clue nowadays to which is newer is the amount of photos. The later updates had more photos. The worst thing about this place for me is the lack of zipped photos. All those negatives - constant logging in, no customer support, no zipped photos, expensive, no updates, do add up. There's still some great stuff here though.
Yes great heads up admiral. It looks like a mere rebranding and material is identical to what you would get joining those other sites. For those $5 offers I simply join for the month, then cancel immediately. Once again I did not receive a confirmation of cancellation and had to contact them. It seems they operate a few dodgy practices but given what some of them do it's not dishonest, just a little deceptive. You gotta watch these guys.
I took up the $5/£5 offer, and I think there's a lot of stuff that is duplicated. I realised it was re branding of the same material, but there's so much on there it will take me ages to get through it all, so as long as they keep sending me the five bucks offer I will keep accepting it. I'm not sure how much is duplicated but it doesn't matter to me, whereas some may join two sites and find the same material. It's high quality mass produced porn, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the quality drop given the state of internet and dvd porn.
I'm pleased this review pushed you off the fence. Personally I think despite its many many negatives, this network has my favourite mainstream porn. The biggest downside may be that its best material comes from 2-4 years ago, so the HD isn't as high spec as recent HD, you can tell the difference. Despite the negatives I think you'll love the material.
Yes the theme takes this one way beyond the normal review and comments. There should probably be a thread on this, but even if there isn't, I applaud you for the work you've already done. I always look out for your opinions, reviews, and well thought out comments. You're one of the top people who make the place what it is.
Another truly excellent review admiral, and a thoroughly decent thoughtful reply by graymane.
I am reminded of some posts I received from a bdsm/spanking blogger when I noted how there are a few smug, self righteous, and intolerant people around in that scene. He remarked that they are some of the most small and narrow minded people around considering their pursuits. It appears a small minority have decided that their, and only their limits are acceptable. Anything softer than that, and anyone who disagrees with it is completely small minded, and anyone who is into anything harder is a completely disgusting pervert.
This sort of site makes you ask yourself what is acceptable and what isn't. When it comes to degradation there are some truly degrading and awful jobs around. I knew someone who couldn't stand working in a flour mill for coughing his guts out after a day's work. Any time you buy a cheap pair of shoes, or even expensive ones for that matter given the record of some well known manufacturers, you are undermining your own hard working people, and supporting slave labour.
Many jobs are just awful and make people unhappy. Almost certainly some women get drawn into porn and end up feeling degraded and suicidal. There were some on the softest of sites who were supposed to be traumatised from appearing. Many people have degrading and awful jobs where they are abused.
As a porn lover I'm not going to smugly judge what is acceptable and what isn't because the majority of society thinks all porn lovers are sickos. It's all about your own standards and your own morality. The problem is there are others who are absolutely sure their standards and their morality is righteous, and since some are on a very close personal relationship with god they are sure they are right, because they think what god thinks.
In some places, any porn, even a few bare breasts are considered highly degrading, disgusting, and should be punished very severely indeed. In our civilized world there are still many who consider any porn to be degrading to women and fire men up to be r@pists. Some consider all men to be potential r@pists. All porn can be considered abusive and degrading to women, and any men who like it can be considered to be sick perverts, who want to abuse women, indeed they enjoy the abuse of women, and hate them, even though they pretend otherwise. That is the attitude of many. As a porn lover I'm not going to try and impose my standards on others. People in glass houses.
As a viewer where do I draw my line? It's just personal, but it's where people choose to do a job, although some don't have much of a choice so it's a very fine line. I know by buying porn I am contributing to an industry that doesn't treat many of its employees very respectfully, and undeniably, because of demand, many will get drawn into an industry, where they will end up thoroughly exploited, and lead miserable, wretched, unfulfilled, and unhappy lives.
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