Thank you for taking the trouble to post a comprehensive reply. I would say that likewise the cross sale is in plain site and therefore can easily be checked. The reason cross sales work is because of the ones that are missed and go unchecked by people who are to embarrassed to complain to their credit card companies, and too embarrassed and/or tired or don't have the time to go through the complaints process at online porn sites. This is why they make a profit for sites.
There are only a few like me who refuse to join sites who have them. It was honest of that reperesentative recently who told me customers don't like them because they sign up inadvertantly to something they don't want. Their cross sale may be more hidden than DDF's of course. Some are worse than others. But if you have to start thinking if there's a cross sell, if so, how hidden it is, or how reputable a company is, you're not going to give your credit card details. This hurts everyone in the long run.
Obviously I have a bee in my bonnnet about this one. I am a complainer, and want transparency not only in the porn world, but freedom of speech everywhere. It's a pipe dream of course, and isn't going to happen but you can only do your best.
I do appreciate your reply. I hope the cross sell is eventually removed as I would like to subscribe to DDF.
It's been variable for a long time here in the UK. Streaming is usually at it's best in the early hours of the morning and at its worst in the late afteroon. Best way is to download, but sometimes you want to see if the video is any good before you download.
Downloading is likewise generally at it's best in the early hours of the morning and at its worst in the late afteroon. Nowadays I don't download a lot, but at the current price I suppose VB is still a bargain.
I appreciate your comments and agree with some of them. On price for instance you wont get any argument here. I have said a number of times that porn is ridiculously cheap or dirt cheap. I also said I would be willing to pay more.
It's a shame there are too many inconsistencies when joining networks or sites. I have criticised many sites for those inconsistencies and also for regional discrimination and pre checked cross sells.
If not for the cross sell I would have joined DDF ages ago, as I think it is tremendous value for money. I would also give it the benefit of the doubt when it comes to inconsistencies and customer complaints.
Sites who practice cross selling for me don't get the benefit of the doubt because they are clearly trying to trick customers. I recently contacted customer service of one network who admitted that customers don't like cross selling as they find they have signed up unintentionally for something. Very honest of the representative to admit that.
Not that DDF is on its own there. More sites rather than less seem to be resorting to trickery to get the money nowadays, and a number of them are what would otherwise considered to be reputable places.
It's not all black and white, and your prices are, yes, ridiculously cheap, and great value for money. More could be done to make sure everything is streamlined and transparent so customers know what they are getting relative to others, and get a good feeling about handing over their credit card details rather than a bad one. A bad one and the porn industry as a whole, not just that site or network, stands to lose that customer.
Another great review Ik. It's a steal at under ten bucks, which means this is the first site I have chosen to legally steal from. I made sure I cancelled well before the subscription renewed at full price. I would have been happy to continue and pay a reasonable price, and would have, except for their pre checked cross sell.
I must have downloaded about 60-80gb of material and that was only from about 2 sites. They have quite a few of the same models across their sites anyway so I comprehensibly downloaded from Anal Teen Angels and Pix And Video. An amazing amount of content at a steal.
Good review pat. I was going to join this network a few weeks ago but found they are now trying to trick customers with pre checked cross selling. That's a shame because it does look better than when I was last here.
Ouch that hurts. That's another thing that's wrong with online porn. Too much obscure small print, dirty tricks, and just awful organisation and standards so no one knows value relative to their money. You end up with a bad feeling after having subscribed. You feel like you've been ripped off because you are paying virtually the same but are treated differenttly.
I was last there in 2010 so although recent updates have slowed to being non existent, there were still quite a few since my last membership. If you haven't been there for a while I'm sure you'll find some good stuff from 2010-12. Even their leased content is good.
There are no problems with TCC if you only collect videos, as download speeds are quite good, but if you like photos it's a pain. One thing that occurred to me is if you like photos you will never have enough time to capture all of them on all the sites in a month or two. To join TCC is $49.97 but if you join separate sites it's only $29.97 and you get quite a few of the TCC sites as a bonus, usually between 13 and 17, depending on which site you join. So if you want to collect photos obviously it's best to join separate sites over the months, until you have downloaded all the photos, otherwise you will be paying for many sites you wont use. Incidentally if you cancel TCC membership they offer you a cut price offer to stay on.
It's very much personal taste, but I like their style, of great looking girls captured by professional lighting and camerawork, which has a very bright and colourful look. The only thing you may not like is the quality of video which is not very high def. It's good and I'm happpy with it but very high def afficionados may not like it. Good enough for me though and the pics are great, if only there were a way of downloading them.
Thanks Marc. Yes they could do themselves a favour and give a better preview section, especially as they are so low profile. They could find some new subscribers and lengthen their life, but all the signs are thay're on life support.
Yeah I pretty much agree with that, Pat. For me the material is as good as any I have seen. Amazing models and photography, but negatives so bad they shot themselves in the foot.
I am probably one of the few who would be willing to fork out more than a $50 join fee, providing the material is top rate. I am one who thinks porn is too cheap, ridiculously cheap.
The strange thing is, although they have no customer service and don't seem to care less about the site being customer friendly, they don't try to trick you with cross sales, or any other dirty tricks for that matter.
I think I will go out on a limb and say the material is the best porn I have seen (although admittedly that is very subjective). Okay I'll say it's my favourite material, because what is the best porn is just opinion.
I'm not sure whether to feel sad at the demise of a site that produced such quality, or pleased because management is clearly such a bunch of total assholes.
I see very few free pics from this network on free forums so maybe their policy of having no zipped photos works. However one argument for paying to join sites is ease of downloading material. For this network it is easier to search free download forums and download zipped photos.
Was a member approx. 1 month prior to this review.
No DRM, pre checked cross sells, or download restrictions.
Superb photography and lighting.
Beautiful girls, with few fake breasts or tattoos.
Very little filler material, although older material is lower spec.
Pics are very good, and have much more variety of angles than seen on most networks.
There is a progression from clothed to unclothed, with some great softcore pics.
Streaming in chunks.
The male leads and cameramen mostly keep out of the way. There is occasionally some abuse (choking on Ass Teen Mouth for example), but the focus is nearly always on the models.
Rip off exchange rate from CCBill.
No zipped photos.
No customer service.
Awful log in. Each site needs a new log in plus captcha, you have to log in again every time you leave, and you get timed out of the site very quickly.
Very few new updates.
Video downloads are only in wmv, but for me that is no con, as I prefer wmv.
Very little ethnic or weight diversity. Models are mainly white and slim.
Homogeneous product. Most of it has the same look.
The most customer unfriendly network in the entire universe (even worse than Ewoks customer services at DeathStar.com).
When I first joined this network three years ago I said it had great material but is let down by lousy management who couldn't care less about their customers. Nothing has changed in that respect. I haven't tried to contact customer support this time. I tried three years ago on a number of occasions but never received a reply. I have no doubt that still holds. If anyone has ever received a reply from this place I would be both pleased and amazed to hear from them.
Pictures are still unzipped, and the log in is still ridiculous. You not only have to enter your name and password for each site, you also have to enter a captcha. Why? You have paid money to join a site, you are unlikely to be some sort of computer bot. Furthermore, none of the sites remember you are logged in, so once you leave the site, even if only for a few seconds, you have to re enter you name, password, and new captcha. It is still the most customer unfriendly network I have ever joined.
So why did I join again after three years? For a number of good reasons. For my taste this has the highest download strike rate of any site. In other words I wish to download a higher percentage of updates from this site than from any other. The girls are stunningly attractive, the videos and pics are beautifully lit and shot, and have very good angles for displaying the models.
One thing that for me does not now seem so bad, is navigation. I don't think it has actually improved, but since I first joined I have visited sites with seriously BAD navigation, and in comparison TCC is not so bad. Home pages give you an accurate preview of the material, and most of the time they are very inviting. Most of the sites in the network have a homogeneous samey look to them, with a few exceptions, Hardcore Youth being one. I have seen comments on PU that it is leased content, unfortunately there are still no zipped photos even on that site. Some of the older content on the network looks a bit different and has lower spec.
The models may be white and slim, but they are very beautiful, and at least not so skinny they look like concentration camp victims. There is an accent on anal, but as well as the softcore photos, there is some good straight action too. The majority of the updates are one on one, but there is some dp, and the Double Teamed Teens site is dedicated to that. It does have an overall homogeneous look across the network. Although produced well, it could do with something a little different on occasion, even if that just means changing the location or furniture.
The softcore pictures are very good, but are not part of the video. On most sites they appear to take a series of softcore pictures, then the model starts back with her clothes on. The video and second section of pictures go from here. The male lead enters, quickly takes of the model's clothes, and the action starts straight away.
With usually over 500 pictures to a set for the new updates, and no zipped photos facility, the time and effort to painstakingly store every single one of them becomes such a pain, that you start to ask yourself questions like "do I really need this photo," or "will the quality of my life really improve if I store this one?" At some point I start to spend more time trying to weed out the few that I don't want, than just going ahead and capturing the lot. After a while this whole place becomes the biggest pain in the ass since Vlad The Impaler was assassinated. Given the amount of material on TeenCoreClub, by the time you have manually captured only a tenth of the photos you want, you will need an ice pack on your arm. So this is what they mean by porn giving you a stiff wrist.
Just because there is no one in customer services doesn't mean there isn't anyone at home (obviously there is someone around to pocket the money), and the lack of a zipped photos facility may well be by design. You are going to need more than one month to capture all the photos you need, so it certainly stops everyone joining for one month only, downloading everything, then putting it all on a free download forum. I would rather pay three times as much, and have zipped photos. However, if this is the price I have to pay for their survival, given the quality of the material they offer, I can live with it. I ended my subscription because I knew I didn't have the time or inclination to store each individual picture. In the end I only downloaded a small part of what is available. What I do have is very good indeed, even though they don't have very high definition material. I may return when I have more time to manually save pictures.
Beautiful girls, great camerawork, and some great material, but a number of other networks outscore it by around ten points, both on PU and TBP. That says a lot about its negatives.
It is a little confusing. Once you have joined 21 Sextury you can download or watch any scene available on the 21 Sextury sites. That doesn't include 21 Sextreme or 21 Naturals. However once your subscription is over, depending on how long you subscribed for, you will have built up credits which can be used to buy downloads.
Alternatively you can buy credits, which can be exchanged for downloads.
Yeah I agree. I didn't realise this until I was a member. I thought there must be some sort of catch, but there isn't. I am able to download for free a year after my membership expired. I would be renewing this year if not for their pre checked cross selling.
I joined this network over a year ago. It was my longest membership of any network or site, and I was intending to rejoin shortly, however I find they now have pre checked cross selling. I can't remember them doing this before, but it means I will no longer be a member.
On the plus side (I don't know if anyone here realises this) they run a points system where if you join for more than one month, you can earn enough points to download for free. This means that even after my membership was cancelled, I still had enough points to download six times for free, by simply logging in and using points to purchase downloads.
Thanks Marvin, at least you didn't call me a stingy f*****g bastard for the low mark. I mark lower than everyone else, but of course that's merely becaue I'm right and everyone else is wrong.
I appreciate the reason for the condoms. On South American/Brazilian type sites you see many more than elsewhere, and I always presumed that's because their health checks and standards were non existent. I can totally understand the reason.
I would love to see some of those Eastern European models on your network but that probably isn't feasible. It isn't that American girls aren't attractive, some of your girls are stunning, but to see them marked in such a way is awful. I can imagine a ton of tattooed senior citiizens in rocking chairs looking like hells grannys, all wishing they still looked like human beings.
I hope my review helps business, because there's enough individuality on Team Skeet to attract customers. It may be that many don't know of your network, so let's hope people read what is posted on this site. I haven't heard anything bad said about your network yet.
Cheers IK! I appreciate it as I know you put the same thought and effort into your reviews as well.
I found it hard to give a mark that was fair, and maybe it should have been higher. If not for so many tattoos it would have been closer to 90. In fact, they should let this lot loose on the Eastern European girls, and do them justice. If they had those girls on this network it would be fantastic.
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