Another truly excellent review admiral, and a thoroughly decent thoughtful reply by graymane.
I am reminded of some posts I received from a bdsm/spanking blogger when I noted how there are a few smug, self righteous, and intolerant people around in that scene. He remarked that they are some of the most small and narrow minded people around considering their pursuits. It appears a small minority have decided that their, and only their limits are acceptable. Anything softer than that, and anyone who disagrees with it is completely small minded, and anyone who is into anything harder is a completely disgusting pervert.
This sort of site makes you ask yourself what is acceptable and what isn't. When it comes to degradation there are some truly degrading and awful jobs around. I knew someone who couldn't stand working in a flour mill for coughing his guts out after a day's work. Any time you buy a cheap pair of shoes, or even expensive ones for that matter given the record of some well known manufacturers, you are undermining your own hard working people, and supporting slave labour.
Many jobs are just awful and make people unhappy. Almost certainly some women get drawn into porn and end up feeling degraded and suicidal. There were some on the softest of sites who were supposed to be traumatised from appearing. Many people have degrading and awful jobs where they are abused.
As a porn lover I'm not going to smugly judge what is acceptable and what isn't because the majority of society thinks all porn lovers are sickos. It's all about your own standards and your own morality. The problem is there are others who are absolutely sure their standards and their morality is righteous, and since some are on a very close personal relationship with god they are sure they are right, because they think what god thinks.
In some places, any porn, even a few bare breasts are considered highly degrading, disgusting, and should be punished very severely indeed. In our civilized world there are still many who consider any porn to be degrading to women and fire men up to be r@pists. Some consider all men to be potential r@pists. All porn can be considered abusive and degrading to women, and any men who like it can be considered to be sick perverts, who want to abuse women, indeed they enjoy the abuse of women, and hate them, even though they pretend otherwise. That is the attitude of many. As a porn lover I'm not going to try and impose my standards on others. People in glass houses.
As a viewer where do I draw my line? It's just personal, but it's where people choose to do a job, although some don't have much of a choice so it's a very fine line. I know by buying porn I am contributing to an industry that doesn't treat many of its employees very respectfully, and undeniably, because of demand, many will get drawn into an industry, where they will end up thoroughly exploited, and lead miserable, wretched, unfulfilled, and unhappy lives.
Another excellent review. This is another one which has been on my shortlist for about two years, but I've never got around to joining. Your review at least gives me an idea of what I'm buying, so thanks for the info.
Net Video Girls wastes a lot of talent. Most of the time it looks like a chimpanzee is holding the camera, capturing random shots of anything that wanders in and out of view. However, I don't remember it being part of the deal before.
Another excellent review. I'm a member there currently and I agree about ECG and BCC being two of the best sites around, especially if you're into the casting niche, which I am.
One of the biggest downsides of this type of niche is having your one chance of seeing a porn video and photo set of a beautiful non professional girl wasted because of ineptitude. Occasionally you see what could be an amazing porn experience being completely ruined. It's a hard job, and I couldn't do it, but I wish some of them occasionally did it better. Having said all that, I think these two sites get the balance right most of the time.
Sorry I can't answer this admiral. When I was a member I never encountered one, but that maybe due to me downloading a photo set and video together before moving on. Capturing each photo manually took ages so I didn't download that many videos in one day.
I think you'll be impressed with the quality of photography. It's true what some members have said - it's not the highest of HD when compared to the top spec, but the material is so so good. One more thing - when you cancel you get offered a discount
If you want to compare the difference between Epoch and the rip off charges at CCBill here's an illuminating experience. Tonight I received a special offer from Backroom Casting Couch as a previous member for $19.99. I followed the link and decided to join. The $19.99 worked out at £14.88 using CCBill's extortionate currency conversion system, but hey, I was getting a good bargain so I went ahead. Transaction denied, and a link to join through Epoch. Strange. The Epoch join page came up for £12.82. This time the deal went through.
I looked at a mail from CCBill that said my bank had denied the transaction. However the Epoch membership went through at just over two pounds cheaper. That's a whopping great 13% difference in conversion between CCBill and Epoch. Looks like my bank did me a favour and prevented me from being ripped off. Quite accidentally of course, not sure wtf they stopped the first transaction, but it certainly gives you an idea of the difference in value between Epoch and CCBill.
Ah yes, I agree. The best way to get a preview is to go to the TBP review then click on the "Network Sites. This network provides access to 25 sites." Click on each individual site and you'll get a reasonable preview.
Before you part with your money read the reviews for this network. If you're thinking of joining and want to download photos you have to do it manually. I think it's best to join one of the sites on the network for $29.95, which will give you access to a limited number of other sites on the network as it'll take you ages to manually download photos from just a few sites.
Oh yeah - Merry Christmas Admiral, and to Graymane, Khan, and all the regulars.
That's exactly how I feel Monahan. I want to hear it confirmed changes have been made, because I don't want to go through the same hassle again. Make it easy to cancel, and I'll return as a customer. Private have a reputation and name for genuine porn, I hope it isn't going to be ruined.
Agreed about replacing that talent, but they still produce some great stuff. Admittedly it's a little closer to the internet porn norm than it used to be, but they are still a quality production company.
Thanks Monahan - ditto my comments above! It means more coming from someone like yourself and graymane who take care over your contributions, and we wont be letting a few ruin the site without a fight.
Thank you, your kind comments are always appreciated because I know you take time, and care over what you post too. There is a core of us who are proud of our contributions, and it's good to be a part of that. Stick around, and don't worry about the few who like to ruffle feathers.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
No download limits, DRM, or regional discrimination.
Upmarket glossy settings instead of the usual cum stained casting couch.
Different locations plus professionally produced and lit videos with some good angles, makes the material look different to the usual mass produced porn.
Good speeds on streaming and download.
Access to one of the most well established, and professional porn studios, giving access to a good variety of new and archive material.
HD videos look really good.
Consistent updates, albeit of different age and quality.
Very little filler material.
Their representative did take the time to appear at PU and answer concerns about cancellation problems.
Cancellation not confirmed, took a number of messages and emails to confirm cancellation.
Awful navigation and search facilities.
Old and new, high and low spec videos, all mixed in together.
Clips from same dvd mixed up over different sites.
Some videos don't play.
Only mp4 available for download or streaming.
Too many fake breasts.
A little less material than on big sites.
This place is a delight and pain in the ass in equal measure, what you get though is quality stuff. Private is yet another dvd site masquerading as a network, so I use the main home page as base, then use the various sites as a filter and search facility. I am still finding some great material, but with no meaningful category search facilities, it is hard work and time consuming being a member. Browsing can be frustrating and no fun, if you spend more time searching than viewing.
On the main home page videos are not listed in chronoligical order of update, although scenes are, and so are the scenes on the individual sites, but updates are a mix of new and old material, so you get old 480 quality, mixed with 720 and 1080 quality, and scenes from each dvd are split up across the network on different sites. This has to be one of the most irritating porn sites to browse on the internet. Everything is mixed up together like an Eton Mess (created when a student dropped his dessert on the floor resulting in everything being mixed up. That sums up navigation).
For instance, if you go to Private Castings you will find a selection of videos with names like Guns And Rough Sex, Sex Auditions, and Cum To Daddy, split up into clips, but you wont find them all on the same site. For example, Cum To Daddy has a clip on Private Castings, but the other scenes from that video are to be found on both Russian Teen Ass, and Tight And Teen.
To me some of the older 480 clips don't look at all good, despite some glamorous and luxurious location filming, directors often can't resist changing from one angle to another, like you're going to get bored watching a beautiful girl getting fucked from the same angle for more than ten seconds, and once again there are far too many gynaecological closeups, and fake breasts.
Things could be so much more enjoyable with a little thought and organisation. Or maybe there is thought and organisation behind it all. Of course you don't think a company like Private just leaves it to chance do you? They've been around since 1965, and don't get to be in business this long by leaving things to chance. You think piracy is putting these guys out of business? I don't think so. They pre date internet porn, they predate video, they nearly predate me, but not quite.
Ah yes, video tapes, remember those? You'd make the effort, to go to one of those video shops, and fork out a lot of money buying the genuine article from some distant relative of the Krays, who'd only recently got the jail bars off his arse, but it was worth it, you finally had the real thing. Then you'd get it home and put it in the video machine, and wait, and wait, and wait...then finally, finally, after half an hour, it got to the good bit, and then it was over. WHAT!? That's as bad as my sex life, that can't be it!
But it was, and you didn't even have a remote control to forward wind. Ah, but they knew how to frame a shot, and they were actors, and it was all produced so well, but you just wasted an hour and a half of your life.
Porn is now vastly improved so I'm being a little harsh in judging Private who has to compete with the number of dvd's on the likes of Video Box or Videos Z, and the number of sites on 21 Sextury or Teen Mega World, and are attempting a sleight of hand at trying to make it look as though there is more than there really is. I think there's enough anyway, without the sleight of hand, even though the older material is far inferior in picture spec, though not in production. Making searching impossible and time consuming means longer memberships.
Same goes for the cancellation problem. It maybe designed that way for a reason. It took a number of emails and messages to get them to confirm my cancellation. One of the problems was their internal service did not recognise my membership password, so it was impossible to cancel using their links. Some of those missed cancellations are going to slip through "accidentally" which means more money.
The newer vids look very impressive, and if I was going to compare them to anything it would be to those early higher budget porn movies shot on film. Picture content is varied. Some clips have only 5-10 pics, some have over 100, and some have none at all, but they are of good quality when they exist, and can be downloaded in zipped form, or browsed through on the same player as the videos.
Private has lasted this long, mainly because they've maintained a high standard, and given people what they want - action, and done it with a style and professionalism that few others have. The videos don't all look the same as they do on some networks, due to a number of different directors working in different locations.
If not for the cancellation problems and navigation I would have stayed longer and scored higher. Just before I was due to post this review, the Private representative appeared on PU to answer the cancellation concerns. If that improves I will join again.
Good to hear a response and also good to hear there will be improvement on cancellations. If not for that and the navigation I would have scored higher. Review will appear later today when I have time to edit out 1000 words or so. You have some great material, and the niche sites at least allow a way to filter or search by category. If cancellation improves I will buy another membership.
I will be interested to hear whether that cancellation goes through. I eventually had two emails assuring me my membership was cancelled, but at the time of cancellation received no confirmation. I was not impressed. They should make it easier, as they have good material and don't have a bad reputation - yet. I received a confirmation of membership but no mention on how to cancel. The only way to cancel seemed to be to go on their site, and follow the link, but for the cancellation to go through I had to sign in with my password which was not recognised. Not good practice.
Agree with the above two. I get tons of emails from them but at a fiver a throw I'm happy to get the emails because it means very substantial discounts. There is a link at the bottom of the emails to unsubscribe.
You had exactly the same problem I had. I cancelled about 4 days after joining so had plenty of time to get a response. I emailed them and left messages through their internal service totalling five times and eventually got a response. When I checked under "existing requests" my password hadn't been recognised. It seems just like you I wasn't recognised as a member so couldn't cancel.
I'm currently compiling a review now, and one of the things I note is a company like this doesn't get to stay in business this long purely by chance. The clips are mixed up for a reason. It's to make things less easy to browse and download quickly and also to make it look as though there is more than there is. Same thing goes for not acknowledging cancellation. I'm sure a number of cancellations don't go through and don't receive complaints, which makes them more money.
In my emails I did say I would be cancelling my credit card and complaining about fraudulent deductions if another monthly payment was taken. It took them 48 hours but they got back to me, answering two of my messages. They offered me a 30% discount to keep up my membership but it had been such a hassle to cancel I didn't take them up on it.
Sadly I couldn't find any magazines, but you can download zipped photos. Choose the pictures option at the top of the viewer. At the bottom of the viewer, below the line of photos there's a download zip option. Right click and save as.
Thanks for the warning. Conmen are everywhere, and this sort of thing gives online porn a dirty reputation. We know there are many decent customer oriented ones around who are happy to give you a good deal at a fair price. Places like this hurt the good ones. Let's hope this warning helps others.
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