The day before yesterday (last Saturday) I contacted 'oye loca' to inform them about CCBill's practices.
I am pleased to let you know that today I received the following email from 'oye loca':
Subject: usury by CCBill
Date: 2008-08-02 12:08:35
Priority: 2
Response:
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Hello,
We have switched Epoch to our primary biller so you should be sent there when you try to sign up. Please try that out and let us know if it works for you.
A warning about CCBill’s usuries to residents outside of the US$ zone…
On many websites I have noticed that CCBill charge in one’s local currency – in my case, in GBP.
I thought that this was a ‘nice’ (and convenient) service.
But, this is a typical example of “THE WOLF CLOTHED AS A SHEEP”!
Working out what it should cost in GBP, and compare the result with what CCBill charges; I found that CCBill is slapping on 39+% above the basic rate of exchange.
More than a week ago I sent an email to CCBill, titled ‘usury’, asking how they could justify this exorbitant fee.
Surprise, surprise, CCBill did not reply – did not even bother with supplying the standard bullshit one is used to from banks…
In summary: they have shown; not only are they committing ‘daylight robbery’ but the 24/7 ‘service’, they brag about, is @ their discretion (And convenience!) but may well be 0/7.
I joined a few months ago when they offered a trial membership. I thought the content made it worth joining. However, they reject my credit card as my transaction was before the trial period ended. I thought that was the end of the matter and joined using a different credit card. Then they processed my original credit card also-and did not tell me. I then paid for my membership twice because they did not send me an email confirmation of my membership. The colors on the videos are often of low quality and make it difficult to watch. The camera work is the worst I have ever seen on any website. Some of the models and videos are quite attractive, but too many negatives for my taste.
I joined several months ago. A bit difficult to find the models as updates are listed by date with only their names. Models are mostly ok and some are not very attractive. A surprising number were visibly pregnant. Overall an ok site if you like hairy Black and Latina women.
Just joined this one - it looked good.
Plenty of stuff here with SOME great latin girls filmed south of the border - but just SOME. Others are of US-origin - maybe 50/50 - not sure yet.
BUT what's really annoying is the difference between preview-videos and full videos - we have been here before about the previews "A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT YOU GET INSIDE".
Man, that's it: This sexy girl in one preview - see for yourself - "Ginyer" - does a sexy strip/dance in the preview.
BUT: When you get inside and download the whole video (450 Mb) there is NO sexy strip/dancing - almost just wham-bam-thank-you-mam.
That's preview for you!!!!!
Honestly, fellow PUs, I hate it sincerly when I get cheated by those kinds of fake previews. So, now your're warned.
I gained access to this site via its membership to the Adult Doorway Network, of which Ghetto Gaggers is also a member and was impressed by their latest high definition video. I was too slow to review the site within my membership time, so I can't acquire all the site facts I need for a good review.
However, their latest content is available in 1920x1024 WMV HD - and the quality is jaw dropping. Crisp doesn't really describe it well enough - this video shows you more than you perhaps want to see. The blurriness seen in other HD sites is no where to be found here - you can easily count hairs on the models and it even remains rather crisp during high movement. Only a few videos are in this format, most are 496x368 MPEG-1 - but since all the network sites are moving to HD - the price of admission is worth it even if you only download the 15 or 20 available HD movies (some HD is 1440x1080 but still impressive).
The content itself? Degradation to the extreme - like German Goo Girls but you aren't sure the models actually enjoy it - and the models are usually amateurs to the point of homely. However, the few beauties they have amplifies the effect of the outrageous behavior that much more.
If you like extreme sexual domination of women, basically compliance to acts just short rape, then check out this site and its sister sites. If you aren't 100% sure - first try out German Goo Girls instead as the girls there are obviously having a wonderful time.
DO NOT JOIN THIS SITE....its fine to say check all the tick boxes aren,t ticked, this should be made VERY clear it is not, these guys are just ripping people off .. STILL... despite reassurances. I could not be bothered to chase them so cancelled my card and wrote it off as a lesson learned !!!!!!! This is a real shame as the content is very good
I Just had a horrible experience with this site. Upon signing up I found that I was subscribed to 3 other sites for a total charges of arount 100$ I had to call each of these individually and put a stop charge and request a refund after being on hold for around 20 mins. My bank even put a put a stop on my check card because of reported "unusual activity" and had they not givin me my refunds I would have reported this site as fradulent. I had to cancel my check card and order a new one(imagin not having access to your bank account for a week because of a porn site.) Too bad considering they specalize in extremly large breasted Latinas which is something that you really cant find, great content but they will rob you blind and fustrate the hell out of you.
Great original growing network, must be over 2000 scenes now! All the sites seem to all exclusive content with lots of new girls. I just checked the cross sales and they are gone so I don[t know why people are complaining. If you do not sign up for cross sales you will not get billed of you do its your fsult. Stop thinking with your wrong head and use the right head and make sure no cross sales are on a darn join pages guys! Amazon to other large companies do cross sales so don't ne a novice and do or say stupid things! Get with the program and enjoy your porn!
This site is a complete joke! They send the same old reponse from some douche bag named Paul. Listen, spread the word...Incredible Pass and all of its sites are a SCAM, A TOTAL RIP-OFF, AND THEIR INTENTION IS TO OVERBILL YOUR CREDIT CARD. This is a criminal enterprise and will continue to commit fraud until they can no longer continue, then they will pull up, disappear and start all over again. AVOID AT ALL COST!
There's been quite a few input from PU's who are not happy with these people.
Some of us call it scam - and the webmaster answers - fine.
But man, the answer is the same all over.
Here's what I got (and see former answers) - an accurate cipy of earlier answers - well, it most be some kind of standard thing - and that the easiest way, of course:
"My Name is Paul and I am the customer service manager for the IncrediblePass sites. We initially tested cross sales on our join pages and many people may have inadvertently signed up for other offers. It is for that reason that we have removed all cross sale offers from the join pages if you sign up with the best porn. We pride ourselves in customer satisfaction and would like everyone to be happy and apologize to anyone that may have had any difficulty whatsoever! "
This site is a total and complete SCAM. I have reported them to law enforcement, and it is my intention to get them shut down and have their payment processing revoked. You don't even need to visit this site to become a victim if their fraud. But, whatever you do... if you become a victim of have been a victim of these bandits. File complaints against them not only with your bank, but with VISA International, MasterCard and Discover as well. These thieves need to be run out of business!
Beware of the canceling of this site. I canceled during my trial and never received a confirmation. I did this numerous times and finally emailed support at Incrediblepass & Incredibledollars. Incrediblepass wants to give me 60 days for exchange to a refund. I don't want that, I would like the money back. Incredibledollars has informed me that I can not get a refund as I don't have proof that I canceled during the trial, well duh I don't have a confirmation. So beware of this site.
If you cancel your membership here it deletes your log in information right away. So once you cancel you are done, there is no grace period here. Many sites give you what you paid for, a full month of access. Here again the makers of UN-Incredible Pass are ripping people off! :)
Disclaimer: it's just my VERY humble opinion, FWIW.
If you didn't join some site but your credit card got charged - DON'T HESITATE TO CALL YOUR BANK AND INITIATE DISPUTE ABOUT THE CHARGE. As I was told in a similar situation by a banking manager, most likely not only you will get your money back, but also if number of disputes exceeds certain threshold, merchants will get HUGE fines (so they will start losing money on their own fraud), or even can get their license revoked. Therefore, DISPUTING FRAUDULENT CHARGES HELPS NOT ONLY YOURSELF, BUT COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
I just wanted to add that as of today, the network was a dead even 200 GB of videos with 1401 videos. And as I mentioned before the site run extremely fast.
From personal experience, please read everything on this forum about this site before joining.
I think pornusers should Boycott ALL SITES FROM THIS COMPANY. I had this problem years back with a different site. I sent them an email and CC the state attorney generals office, I got all the charges refunded with an apology. These criminal sites only respond when they know your ready to go to war with them.
I lost all respect for PU. What a disgrace. THIS IS SHAMEFUL FOR SOMEONE FROM PU Management TO AGREE TO BE PART OF THIS CRIMINAL PRACTICE. I'M SERIOSLY CONSIDERING CANCELING AND NEVER COMMENTING OR VISTING PU EVER AGAIN!
READ THIS! (This is from a member of PU Senior Staff Vegas Ken)
I TAKE IT AS IF PU IS CONDONING CRIMINAL BILLING CHARGES TO CUSTOMERS CREDIT CARDS.
Vegas Ken wrote this:
just wanted to let everyone know that the people at Incredible Dollars, the company that runs Incrediblepass.com and all their assocated sites, have listened to your feedback and have made changes for you here at PornUsers.com and TheBestporn.com.
They have taken all of the "Cross Sales" off of the join pages for PU and TBP users! This is a big statement that they do listen to your feedback and act accordingly. Now this is just special for you guys! (MY COMMENT: SO ITS OKAY TO RIP OFF OTHERS)
So going forward, you can join any of the IncredibleDollars sites thru PU or TBP and know that you don't have to worry about getting charged for anything that you did not want or expect.
As I am writing this I can say that this is the fastest site I have run into so far. I have five connections open with them and I am averaging 70 MBit/s from them, it fluctuates from 60-90. I have been sustaining this for a little while now, so I guess I can not complain about the speed here!
On the other hand when I signed up for them they confirmed what others had said here, they did sign me up for other junk and charge me for it!
Damned if you do and damned if you dont, well not really, the content is not that great unless you really like Middle eastern women and seeing women be totally abused and humiliated. Not my thing.
I signed up for the Incredible Pass yesterday. I unchecked the two options for additional access. I only wanted the 29.95 access for 30 days. I entered my credit card information & t was approved. Low & behold I receive 3 emails for 3 different charges from 3 different merchants. I only signed up for 1 site and got charged 3 times (29.95, 36.25, 1.00) And I also recieved a email from my bank stating that the saw fraudulent activity on my credit card. I tried to cancel the additional charges and to no avail. I also tried to cancel my subscription to Incredible Pass. The website says it was cancelled but never received a confirmation email. I called my bank & they said the 3 charges came from different countries all at once. They told me to close my credit card account & dispute the charges. I have given all the details to my bank of this fraud for their investigation. I was foolish enough not to listen to the comments of customers who have had similar experiences. Please heed their warning.
With all due respect for the marketing-department of TBP, just this question from a user:
Is it great that a site no longer try to charge the consumer of something he/she did not order?
Maybe its big news for these people at Incredible Dollars: We can now offer you a membership without luring you into something else or try to rip you off otherwise.
I can now join and not have to: "worry about getting charged for anything that you did not want or expect". (quote Vegas Ken at Marketing TBP)
Well, folks, I do NOT consider this as "an offer" but a matter of guilty plea/confession....
Check out my comments for the "Mom's a Cheater" site, which is part of the Incredible Pass network. I had the exact same issue with regards to my credit card being charged multiple times when I signed up. I had to close out my credit card and try to work with someone at their Customer Service Group (frustrating experience as well). This is an unethical company that should be out of business for its deceptive practices. If your looking for high quality mega-sites with solid billing practices, check out Brazzers, Reality Kings, or Bang Bros. Be careful and good luck!
I just wanted to let everyone know that the people at Incredible Dollars, the company that runs Incrediblepass.com and all their assocated sites, have listened to your feedback and have made changes for you here at PornUsers.com and TheBestporn.com.
They have taken all of the "Cross Sales" off of the join pages for PU and TBP users! This is a big statement that they do listen to your feedback and act accordingly. Now this is just special for you guys!
So going forward, you can join any of the IncredibleDollars sites thru PU or TBP and know that you don't have to worry about getting charged for anything that you did not want or expect.
Thanks for reading and happy porn shopping!
Vegas Ken
Dir. of Marketing
PornUsers.com
TheBestPorn.com
I was a member just over a year ago and I had no problems.
Although the video quality wasn't great it was interesting
to see all new girls doing the dirty deed. Well I just rejoined
and checked email for confirmation and got 2 emails about
2 other sites. I quickly cancelled those, one of which bestpornlibrary.net would charge $37.19 if not cancelled within 3 days. The other site, XXXPass says there would be no charge but I cancelled just to be sure. Now I'm in the members area of Incrediblepass and I can't download any videos. With these
deceptive practices and download problems I feel used and
abused. What happened?
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