Was a member approx. 2 months prior to this review.
Big $15 discount joining through TBP/PU.
No DRM, download restrictions, pre checked cross selling, or dirty tricks.
No regional discrimination.
Join through reputable billing agent (Epoch).
Genuine network, each site has its own identity.
Original content that is individual and a little outside the usual cookie cutter mass produced porn.
Little ethnic or size diversity.
Awful photography, camerawork, and lighting.
Videos are so unbelievably long they have to be cut up into 4-6 (sometimes more) 25 minutes or longer segments. That would be okay if it was action all the way, but it is most definitely not. It could simply be edited down to one 30 minute clip. If they did that, they wouldn't get to say they had 398 scenes instead of 80.
When the cameraman finally does focus on someone having sex, it is far too often in gynaeclogical closeups where all you see is two groins. Not only that, there is an inability to keep the camera still.
There is only one download option for WindowsXP and Vista, and one download option for the pics.
Customer sevice was awful. As reported in a forum post, I was locked out of the site for a while due to possible hacking of the membership password. I received no answer to four emails sent over 24 hours asking why, and was only reinstated after Epoch intervened.
Videos 1024x576 and 768x576
Pics 768x1152 768x1024 768x1039 1066x1600
There are supposed to be various mobile formats available. I don't use them but the following are listed - ipad/ipad2, iphone4, iphone3/ipod, Android.
This is a clone of Student Sex Parties available through Chicki Porn, the difference being you get extra sites through WTF and a $15 discount from joining through TBP/PU.
I found streaming facilities to be reasonable. Here in the UK streaming in the afternoon is often very difficult.
Models are mostly all the same type, namely young and thin. If you are looking for ethnic, size, or age diversity, you'll be out of luck.
Navigation is a little irritating. If you go to "view all scenes from College Fuck Parties," then click on several clips from the same video, there is no way back to the College Fuck Parties home page, without going back to the WTF Pass home page, then clicking on College Fuck Parties. You have to click several back buttons until you get back, or go to WTF Sites. In fact WTF Sites is better than the rather poorly laid out WTF home page.
It's a shame some great models are thrown away due to awful amateur camerawork and photography. You would think being a porn cameraman isn't that hard. It doesn't have to be spot on perfect, as they aren't working for the likes of Terrence Malick, Stanley Kubrick, or Jean Renoir, and never will, mainly because two of them are dead. All you have to do is point the camera in the general direction of the couple, or couples having sex. That's it, that's the job.
Maybe they are trying to make it look like a home movie, but realistically we all know these are professional porn stars. It's a shame because the performers are really good looking, and there is genuine group sex action. I just get the feeling the bits the cameraman has missed out while focussing on the floor, wall, ceiling, or shoes, are all the best bits. Thirty minutes of action with two hours padding, then the cameraman misses all the best bits, or the lighting is so bad, you have to squint to see what is going on.
Lighting seems to be one of the problems across the whole WTF network. For instance there is a video and photo set of one beautiful girl taken outside, where the sun's shadow across railings completely ruins the whole thing. It was like some 9 year old's first video or photo attempt.
The non porn bits take up hours of time. Then finally finally something happens, they are getting their kit off and it's time to wake up. Just as they are about to have sex, for some inexplicable reason the cameraman moves on to show the floor. Very video verite. If there are two or three couples indulging in group sex, the cameraman doesn't know where to go, so focuses on the wall instead, or on another couple who aren't doing anything.
To give you an idea of the padding and rubbish bits, you could watch three episodes of CSI (minus the adverts) in the time it takes to watch all the rubbish. Or to put it another way, think of the padding as the CSI episodes, and the adverts as the quality bits. That's how frustrating and annoying the episodes are.
As a bystander and observer my immediate feelings are to shout at the cameraman "oi you, there are people having sex over there...yes over there....NO, over THERE you fecking idiot, not here!"
Two people having sex, no that's not very interesting, let's have a look at the floor. Even when there is only one couple having sex and nothing else going on, the cameraman cannot keep the camera still, it is beyond his ability. He HAS to move it, he cannot keep his camera pointed in the general direction of two people having sex for more then two seconds. Two seconds, that's it, moving on, nothing to see here, must be something more interesting over there, if not, move camera to side, up and down, jump up and down, or tip diagonally, then back again.
The score of 78 is for basically remembering to remove the lens cap, and for pointing the camera in the right direction some of the time, and for the models.
Every network has its idiosyncracies. One of the annoying ones here is that for some reason the male performers continually pummel and pull the pussies of their female performers as though they were unblocking a sink. Are we supposed to think this is what female partners really find sexy? Only if you're 14, and at that age you're supposed to be too young to view this sort of thing.
Some of the orgies inside are badly lit, but even those on the outside quite often get it wrong. Many times dark shadows across the pics spoil the view. That's okay if you're Ridley Scott.
It's worth a membership for one month, due to the reasonably original, non massed produced material, and for the beautiful, newish porn models. It could have been so so much better.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
I guess I have to start with the obvious, and that is the quantity of the material almost defies belief.
No download restrictions.
There are so many videos, this site in effect, gives you a free preview of anything you wish. It also gives you a chance to check out some videos from producers you haven't tried before.
The way the downloading section is set up is very good. It is perfect for knowing what section or sections of a video you want to download. It would be perfect for downloading from any category on any site, that has nothing to do with porn. The way the stills are set out makes it so easy. I love the simplicity of the downolading too.
They do break up the categories for you, and you can view the videos depending on date or popularity, which is handy. I like the look and way things are set out. Considering the volume of material I think it's about as simple and friendly a system as you could have,
There is very little worthwhile fetish material. There are one or two interesting items, but that's about it.
There are very few videos from genuine independents. It all looks the same, even though they have videos from a great number of producers. There are one or two exceptions to this, but 95 per cent could all be from the same company.
As with most teen and amateur stuff, it starts off with the usual feigned surprise or naive innocent looks, to suggest they've never done anything like this before, and within 2 minutes they're at it as though all they've done for the last 10 years is have sex on camera. I strongly suspect that some of them may not be trainee rocket scientists or brain surgeons.
Digging out the gems from so much material can be time consuming.
No photos. Not so good if you like downloading pics.
Their highest "DVD" bit rate is really only average.
Ridiculously low download speeds between 4(!)kb/sec and 70 kb/sec.
Remember when you were a kid, and you dreamed of owning a sweet shop. Video Box is that sweet shop. I've never grown tired of chocolate or sweets, and I've never got tired of porn.
There is so much on here, that it's a little mean spirited to suggest it's time consuming trying to dig out the gems. It can sometimes be fun to just browse. You can stumble upon something that you maybe wouldn't have bothered with. The good thing is, it's so cheap you can download 10 worthless videos, and have wasted no money at all. It means you can virtually try out stuff for free. If your taste is for vanilla, straight sex videos, there is enough here to keep you satisfied for just about the rest of your life.
The big weakness for me, is the lack of fetish material, but then when you look at the price, it's hardly surprising. It is a negative, but realistically, if this site had newer videos, and more specialised categories, the price would be triple what it is. But yes, this is the big weakness - too much old stuff, and too much of the same thing, with little variation. It's like a warehouse of cheap videos.
I linked to Video Box from Paysite Discounts, which means $3 off the $17.95 price. I'm surprised TBP don't have this offer, given how popular Video Box is with their people.
I don't wish to be too negative with the negatives, or too positive with the positives, but I have tried to be objective. I know Video Box is very popular with this site. Rightly so. I have to say I think it's still good value. The amount of very good straight sex videos, arranged in a way so that they are easy to download, from a well set out customer oriented site, means I would recommend this to anyone as their very first porn site.
I am not going to tilt too far into the negative because of VERY slow download speeds for me. I cancelled my subscription a few hours after joining because the download speed is so painfully slow I have to be very selective what I download. This undermines the advantage of the enormous amount of material there is on there. I know some of you do have problems with download speed where others have no problems at all.
I will just add that I was down to 4kb/sec on some newer videos, but the speed on the older videos is between 30-70 kb/sec. This may be what the problem is. The newer more popular videos are being downloaded by more people, therefore the speeds are slower. I'll leave it to you tech boffins to comment on that. In fact after attempting to download a number of videos and monitoring the speed, I found nearly all the newer ones were much slower than the older ones.
I wont mark down too much, because the speed may just be my problem. I have never had speeds as slow as this before on any site though. I know this review wont go down to well at TBP because you all love Video Box. It's just what I have found.
As a late edit - I have found some speeds on older videos of up to 300kb/sec. That is some variation! 4kb/sec-300kb/sec
Currently NETbilling/psnbilling is the top of the five options. Click the link. Alternatively they do have live support below those options and a "I don't know please help me," link.
Sites are currently not making it easy to cancel, which is not good, because every time I have problems it puts me off ever wanting to join a new site. Currently I cancel about three days after joining, just to make sure I have time dealing with any problems.
The trickery used nowadays is becoming harder to spot, and so nasty it's going to frighten off the porn fans who want quality over quantity and are still willing to pay for it.
Yes but my review had as many words. Thing is you can always sum up sites and networks in a few positives and negatives, while the bottom line is the feel and experience of the place. On any two sites, positives and negatives can be virtually identical, while the experience is very different.
Another accurate review in my opinion. It's such a shame this place is virtually dead, and they never showed any customer service, or need to promote, because this still has some of my favourite material, and a lot of it is 2-4 years old.
I wondered what you'd make of this one admiral. Material is rotated and the only clue nowadays to which is newer is the amount of photos. The later updates had more photos. The worst thing about this place for me is the lack of zipped photos. All those negatives - constant logging in, no customer support, no zipped photos, expensive, no updates, do add up. There's still some great stuff here though.
Yes great heads up admiral. It looks like a mere rebranding and material is identical to what you would get joining those other sites. For those $5 offers I simply join for the month, then cancel immediately. Once again I did not receive a confirmation of cancellation and had to contact them. It seems they operate a few dodgy practices but given what some of them do it's not dishonest, just a little deceptive. You gotta watch these guys.
I took up the $5/£5 offer, and I think there's a lot of stuff that is duplicated. I realised it was re branding of the same material, but there's so much on there it will take me ages to get through it all, so as long as they keep sending me the five bucks offer I will keep accepting it. I'm not sure how much is duplicated but it doesn't matter to me, whereas some may join two sites and find the same material. It's high quality mass produced porn, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the quality drop given the state of internet and dvd porn.
I'm pleased this review pushed you off the fence. Personally I think despite its many many negatives, this network has my favourite mainstream porn. The biggest downside may be that its best material comes from 2-4 years ago, so the HD isn't as high spec as recent HD, you can tell the difference. Despite the negatives I think you'll love the material.
Yes the theme takes this one way beyond the normal review and comments. There should probably be a thread on this, but even if there isn't, I applaud you for the work you've already done. I always look out for your opinions, reviews, and well thought out comments. You're one of the top people who make the place what it is.
Another truly excellent review admiral, and a thoroughly decent thoughtful reply by graymane.
I am reminded of some posts I received from a bdsm/spanking blogger when I noted how there are a few smug, self righteous, and intolerant people around in that scene. He remarked that they are some of the most small and narrow minded people around considering their pursuits. It appears a small minority have decided that their, and only their limits are acceptable. Anything softer than that, and anyone who disagrees with it is completely small minded, and anyone who is into anything harder is a completely disgusting pervert.
This sort of site makes you ask yourself what is acceptable and what isn't. When it comes to degradation there are some truly degrading and awful jobs around. I knew someone who couldn't stand working in a flour mill for coughing his guts out after a day's work. Any time you buy a cheap pair of shoes, or even expensive ones for that matter given the record of some well known manufacturers, you are undermining your own hard working people, and supporting slave labour.
Many jobs are just awful and make people unhappy. Almost certainly some women get drawn into porn and end up feeling degraded and suicidal. There were some on the softest of sites who were supposed to be traumatised from appearing. Many people have degrading and awful jobs where they are abused.
As a porn lover I'm not going to smugly judge what is acceptable and what isn't because the majority of society thinks all porn lovers are sickos. It's all about your own standards and your own morality. The problem is there are others who are absolutely sure their standards and their morality is righteous, and since some are on a very close personal relationship with god they are sure they are right, because they think what god thinks.
In some places, any porn, even a few bare breasts are considered highly degrading, disgusting, and should be punished very severely indeed. In our civilized world there are still many who consider any porn to be degrading to women and fire men up to be r@pists. Some consider all men to be potential r@pists. All porn can be considered abusive and degrading to women, and any men who like it can be considered to be sick perverts, who want to abuse women, indeed they enjoy the abuse of women, and hate them, even though they pretend otherwise. That is the attitude of many. As a porn lover I'm not going to try and impose my standards on others. People in glass houses.
As a viewer where do I draw my line? It's just personal, but it's where people choose to do a job, although some don't have much of a choice so it's a very fine line. I know by buying porn I am contributing to an industry that doesn't treat many of its employees very respectfully, and undeniably, because of demand, many will get drawn into an industry, where they will end up thoroughly exploited, and lead miserable, wretched, unfulfilled, and unhappy lives.
Another excellent review. This is another one which has been on my shortlist for about two years, but I've never got around to joining. Your review at least gives me an idea of what I'm buying, so thanks for the info.
Net Video Girls wastes a lot of talent. Most of the time it looks like a chimpanzee is holding the camera, capturing random shots of anything that wanders in and out of view. However, I don't remember it being part of the deal before.
Another excellent review. I'm a member there currently and I agree about ECG and BCC being two of the best sites around, especially if you're into the casting niche, which I am.
One of the biggest downsides of this type of niche is having your one chance of seeing a porn video and photo set of a beautiful non professional girl wasted because of ineptitude. Occasionally you see what could be an amazing porn experience being completely ruined. It's a hard job, and I couldn't do it, but I wish some of them occasionally did it better. Having said all that, I think these two sites get the balance right most of the time.
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