Thanks for your comments, TheSquirrel. I appreciate that you took the time to write such a detailed response.
One of the biggest reasons I watch porn is to see the female model's pleasurable reactions to what's going on. I'm not so naïve as to think that most or even many models experience pleasure, but I'm sure that some do. One advantage to the post-scene interviews here and on other Kink sites is that the models are usually asked to describe what they liked best about the scene. It's a bit of a quirk I have but I like to go back and watch that now knowing that the woman is enjoying herself. Kink.com, maybe more than most porn, is in the business of selling fantasy. Yes, one could criticize me as having the fantasy to r@pe women, but that isn't the case. I first got hooked on BDSM several years ago through another Kink site and even though it pushed my limits I found it compelling to watch because the women were pretty adamant that they enjoyed what happened. And while I have nothing to base this on, I think it's a safe assumption that if Kink ever ignored a model's use of the safe word then that would spread and Kink would be done. Besides, Kink comes out of the lively and established San Francisco BDSM culture. I suspect that they'd be run out of town if they were abusing women.
And although I mentioned this before, I really do think that the fact that Kink attracts so many A-list models has to say something about Kink and about how they operate. I know the porn business isn't like it was even ten years ago, but an A-list model must still have many more options other than doing BDSM work if she didn't want to do it. I'm sure some A-list models were talked into anal using money. Like Lexi Belle and the upcoming Maddy O'Reilly anal scene (and both Lexi and Maddy, industry stars, have worked for Kink), but I highly doubt that a model could be talked into a shoot for this site with just money. There would have to be some interest, and a lot of trust in the staff and male talent. I simply can't accept that model like Chastity Lynn, for example, would agree to work for Kink even at double the going rate if she was truly afraid or unwilling to do it. She could shoot two 'heartcore' scenes in a day and make the same money.
Anyway, thanks for your comments. I knew this would be a controversial review of a site that even many PU members wouldn't like but since the purpose of this site is sharing information and I've taken a lot of benefit from that information over the past years, I'm compelled to give back.
I realized that there would be some negative feedback with this review given the nature of the site. I've been a member of other Kink sites in the past and I'll admit that these scenes push my limits.
I don't agree with you that the interviews are insignificant. Both the pre- and post-scene interviews are lengthy, detailed and seem genuine and I suspect that a model would have a hard time hiding her displeasure if those were her true feelings. I've also read some independent accounts of Kink and they seem to be held in high regard by most in the industry. It's also worth noting that many of the producers (and I think that's the case here) are female.
Another factor to consider is that Kink is well known so any A-list model would know what she was getting into. Add to that the fact that several A-list models work repeatedly for Kink. Amy Brooke, Amber Rayne and Chastity Lynn all have multiple scenes. These women can get work with any studio so it makes sense that they're okay with Kink if they continue to work with them. I agree that there is an argument to be made that Kink sweetens the deal by paying more, and that's probably true. But consider that if an A-list model had no interest in working with Kink even if they paid double, she could find two more mainstream scenes which would probably still be easier.
Kink also features fetish models who appear in a lot of BDSM material and who do a lot of work for Kink. Most of these models are every bit as attractive as an A-lister so there has to be a reason why those models don't go to mainstream porn. They could make the same money (though may have to shoot more, but easier scenes) but they choose to shoot for Kink over and over. That has to say something, especially when those models are interviewed and continually refer to past shoots as enjoyable.
While this is rough sex, and I think the r@pe thing is too far over the top, it isn't anything like what Max Hardcore or JM Productions used to shoot. In those shoots there was, it seems, a genuine attempt to degrade the model. (Consider that JM Productions actually released a commercial video of Tanner Mayes having a meltdown on the set over her missing cell phone. Jim Powers egged her on the whole time knowing he would be able to exploit her.)
I'll admit that I'm basing most of my opinions on this and other Kink sites on the interviews. But those interviews don't look scripted. The post-scene interview is shot immediately after the scene and the model would have a hard time hiding any discomfort. The models all report that they enjoyed the scene.
I respect your opinion, but given the evidence, coupled with edits (which are likely shooting breaks), I don't agree with your take that this is "violence, brutality and shattering pain." Kink has a good reputation in the business and I think it's more likely that this is part of the atmosphere that the director wants to create.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
- Rare niche
- Coupled with Bound Gang Bangs
- Membership gives you discounts to other Kink sites
- Many A-list models
- 59 scenes
- Updates weekly
- Usual well-done Kink.com site
- Supports download managers
- Streaming and downloads
- Choices for file type and resolution
- Not for the faint of heart, probably among the most extreme sites on the internet
- Female model name should be more prominent
Let me start with a few of caveats:
• This is probably one of the most extreme hardcore sites on the internet. Consider this a “may not be suitable for all audiences” warning.
• Many of the scenes use a r@ape fantasy as the scenario. I say this for two reasons, first to warn potential members of this fact, and second to tell people that I had an email chat with Khan and while he okayed describing the scenes in this way he said that using the actual word could cause problems for this site so if you’re commenting DO NOT USE THE WORD lest you incur the wrath of Khan.
• Each scene, regardless of the scene set-up, has an interview with the model both before and after the scene. The initial interview CLEARLY shows that the model will be shooting the scene fully informed of what the scene will entail and fully consents to it and that there is a safe word in use. The concluding interview makes it clear that the model had nothing occur that she did not fully consent to. In all the interviews I watched the models reported that they enjoyed the scene.
In all my years of buying porn online this is possibly the most extreme hardcore site I’ve ever joined. Other Kink sites come close, but the use of a particular scenario in many of the scenes is what put this over the top. A membership here is definitely not for everybody.
Unlike a lot of other Kink sites, this one does use a scene setup. There is a storyline that plays out at the beginning. What I mean that is with sites like Device Bondage and The Training of O, which can be quite intense, there is really no scene setup. A model does a shoot and that’s it. Here, there is a story and much more often than not that story involves some sort of force by a group of men against a woman. No matter how you slice it, most of the scenes here involve simulated r@pe. If you think you’d be offended by that, and I’m sure a lot of people would be, then don’t subscribe. Apart from the setup, the entire scene tends to follow the script with lots of slapping, spitting and generally rough sex.
If done wrong, these scenes could likely cause some problems for Kink, but each scene has an interview with the model both before and after the scene where it is made clear that model knows what she’s getting into and then the post-scene interview confirms that. There is no mistaking that this is pure fantasy.
Speaking of the models, one thing that struck me about the site, and it likely speaks to Kink’s good reputation in the business, are the number of A-list porn models who appear here. With material this extreme you’d think that only the hardest of the hardcore or fetish models would be here, but that isn’t the case. Models like Chastity Lynn, Casey Calvert and Tara Lynn Foxx are here. Sure, they aren’t exactly wallflowers but I am still pleasantly surprised to see them here.
There are currently 59 scenes uploaded with a new one being added each week. Most of the scenes last about an hour, with some exceeding that.
As with all other Kink sites, they get the technical stuff right. The site is well laid out and the user can change how the site looks by selecting how much information will be displayed on the main page.
One minor quibble is that with each scene the entire cast is credited. I have no problem with that, but the female should be given top billing in all cases. Sometimes you have to read through several names before you get to the female model. I buy porn to see the women. The men are just props.
Streaming and downloads are both available, and Kink offers a broad range of choices. There are four streaming resolution options available. Downloads are available in WMV or MP4 with each format being available in five resolutions. I downloaded the MP4 HD option which is 1280x720, 5000kb/s and 29fps. (For comparison, “large” comes in at 960x540 at 1500kb/s and “medium” is 640x480 at 825 kb/s.) If you can spare the space it is definitely worth it to download the HD files. They are large though, with the average being 2GB.
Videos are also available as clips if you have a slow connection or only want one specific part of a scene.
The site supports download managers and I had no issues with links timing out with five or more scenes in the queue.
To add more value to this membership, it includes a membership to Bound Gangbangs. BGB stopped updating in August 2012. A member explained here explained that this was due to billers being uncomfortable with the content so in order to save it the models were no longer to be bound. There are 93 scenes that are pretty much like what you’ll find on HCG but with the models in bondage while it happens.
Obviously the audience for this material is limited, but if you like this extreme porn (with full consent from the model) this is an excellent choice in a rare niche. I’m not aware of any other sites like this, but if there are some, I’m betting that this is better than the others.
Thanks for the clarifications. I'm not a big fan of masturbation videos but I can understand that the ones here might get a bit boring.
And re the download manager issue, I'd normally only queue up 10 or 20 videos at the same time and I have a fast connection so I didn't experience any timeouts. They can be frustrating though. One group of sites I join a lot used to have a timeout of less than 5 minutes. Thankfully they did fix that.
I've been a member here several times and used both Free Download Manager and Internet Download Manager with no problems. I hope the site hasn't changed this. Have you tried contacting the site?
I'm the complete opposite of you in that I like the public stuff and avoid the masturbation parts. I normally don't like it when a site breaks a scene into parts but with this site it works because a member can download what they want and leave what they don't.
One thing I'm confused about with your comment is that there are only some masturbation videos. My recollection is that there was masturbation in every video. I was a member there are recently as five months ago and recall that every video started with some outdoor video (with varying amounts of public nudity) and then moved indoors for masturbation. Is it possible that you're only watching the first videos with the public stuff and not going to the following videos with the masturbation?
I hope you get the download manager thing sorted out.
I used to subscribe to VB at least twice a year and usually three times a year but haven't for a while and likely won't again. For me the problem is file resolution. Can you advise if they still upload four videos per day at fairly low resolution and then one "HD" and medium resolution? TBP reports the resolution as 720x576 for the majority of the videos, which is pretty low by today's standards. Is that still the normal resolution?
Another thing that bugs me now is how there are no tour options. Up until a year or so ago you could see everything they had but now, as you know, there is no tour at all.
VB used to be one of the best sites on the internet. How the mighty have fallen!
Hearing stuff like this bugs me, because I've faced it too. You'd think that in an industry being battered by piracy that companies would step in quickly to assist a paying member. It seems more companies have bad customer service than companies with good customer service.
But sadly, this isn't just in the internet porn world.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
- 372 BJ scenes
- 200+ (and growing) scenes in HD
- Lots of up ‘n comers
- Beautiful models
- Updates regularly
- Impressive options for both streaming and downloading
- TBP/PU discount
- Supports download managers
- Comes as part of a collection of sites giving access to almost 2700 scenes
- Appear to be exclusive
- Older scenes (pre-mid-2009) are in low res only
- Page-to-page navigation could be improved
I realize that I wrote in my My XXX Pass review that I didn’t really see this as a network so it may seem odd that I’m now writing a review of something that I don’t necessarily see as a stand-alone site, but I wanted to offer a counterpoint to some of the criticism aimed at the site (and the main site, MXP) by other PU members.
First off, while he may not be around to defend his position, I think that there is a high probability that PornoPro’s comments are really directed at the other BJ ‘site’ on this network, Throated. PornoPro wrote that “When a guy puts his hands on the back of a girls head and tries to ram his cock down into her stomach, it turns me off big time.” That may describe the BJ scenes at Throated, and with a name like that it shouldn’t be a surprise to find rough oral. I can’t say for sure that this kind of rough oral doesn’t exist on OTBJs, but if it does I haven’t seen any in all the scenes I’ve downloaded and watched.
Regarding the main site, others have complained of problems with emails being sold and slow download speeds. I’ve been a member several times and have never experienced anything negative and only had fast downloads.
Moving on to the review, this is a great site that delvers what the title promises: there is only oral, and all of the models certainly look like they’re 18 or 19. Many of the uploads feature models who are relatively unknown or who are just beginning their porn career. This means that you get some fresh faces, but you also get access to some early scenes of models who will go on to be A-listers. The model’s looks are fairly consistent: petite, some tattoos and piercings. Basically what any 18 or 19 year old looks like these days. There is very little ethnic diversity though.
The scenes follow a bit of a formula in that they usually start off with some interaction between the model and her partner, there is often a bit of striptease and then the oral begins. The scenes may not be true ‘couples’ porn, but they’re close. Most of the scenes run between 20 and 25 minutes long. I can’t guarantee that these are exclusive, but I’m 99% sure they are.
As with the other ‘sites’ here, the options for viewing or downloading the scenes are impressive. WMVs are available in resolutions of 160, 240 and 360. MP4s are offered in 160, 240, 360, 480, 540, 720 and 1080. Streaming is available as 160, 240, 360, 480 and 540 and mobile users can download in 160, 240, 360, 48, 540 and 720. No member should feel cheated on these options, unless you’re hooked on HD in WMV format.
I downloaded the 720p scenes and those come in at 1280x720 at 4800kb/s and 29fps. Subjectively they look crisp and sharp.
The ‘site’ currently has 372 scenes uploaded and it is updating with a new scene being added every week. While that sounds like a slow pace, keep in mind that this ‘site’ is packaged with seven others (a new one was recently added – Sun Lust XXX) so you’ll get two, three or sometimes four updates per day. (Keep in mind that your membership gets you almost 2700 scenes in total.)
The one flaw here is the same one that pops up throughout this network. Some may have no issue with it too. The problem is that sometime in mid-2009 they began uploading the HD stuff. That’s not bad, but there is a sharp cut-off point where you go from having the highest resolution at 360p and then it takes a leap ahead to 1080p. It would have been great if back in 2007 or 2008 they had started offering 720p. Having said that though, over half the uploads are available in HD and all new scenes have that option.
The site allows download managers and I experienced no time-outs, though in the past I found that links timed out at around the two hour mark. I found downloads to be fast and steady. I had no periods of reduced speeds and never had a download stop on me.
One minor complaint that I’m going to start complaining about in reviews is that when a site is structured to show multiple scenes on a page and then there is a list of page numbers on the bottom, the site should also give members the option to select a page number directly. At the main site there are 179 pages, but if you want to go to page 100 you can only click forward five pages at a time. This would make the site much more easily navigated. And this occurs in lots of sites, I just happened to complain about it here first.
As I said at the beginning of this, I don’t want to detract from the other reviews and comments but I do want to let other PU readers know that I experienced no problems with this site or the others that come with the membership. Further, I really like this site and the others offered. They offer great value at the discounted price available through TBP/PU, they have a large number of HD videos and they continue to add more daily. I highly recommend that anyone interested in this type of porn take the plunge and join.
What bugs me most is when these tactics are used by porn companies that offer great porn. Why fuck over your customers and risk having them not come back? When you have a great product and people willing to pay for it why not NOT fuck them over? Like you, I'm not asking for special treatment, just fair treatment.
While we may disagree on facials (and I don't want them for every glamour scene), we certainly agree on kissing and men going down on ladies. I was watching a recently uploaded Maddy O'Reilly scene from EroticaX a couple of nights ago and the male talent goes down on Maddy and two things struck me: 1) how rare it is for me to see that these days, and 2) how incredibly hot it is to see (when shot right). I was also struck with the though that this would be a great job for a fella!
I hope this a temporary problem. I've been a member here several times (and at a sister site, The Ass Factory) and I never experienced any problems at all. My plan has always been to rejoin again so if you find this gets resolved please post an update.
And welcome to PornUsers. I think you'll find this a great site for swapping information with people who share your interests.
Great review pat. Like you, I try not to let my subjective opinions cloud an objective review. I may not like the porn on offer, but if the scenes are good, the site is well laid out and the downloads are simple then the site still deserves to be credited for that. Where we differ on this site is that I really liked the scenes here. I haven't rejoined yet, but I will.
(And I guess we also disagree that facials have no place in glamour porn. I still think they do but agree that a facial doesn't need to be the only ending to a scene.)
One issue I have with the European casting sites is that so much of the setup involves the interaction between the model and the agent. If it isn't in English I find that detracts from the scene a lot. Not enough to avoid the site though, so I will have a look. Thanks for the tip.
Hmmm... I may have misunderstood the question. I browse through older threads and search things if I'm looking for information if that's what's meant, but I wasn't aware there was a specific archives function.
I agree. For a while I downloaded 1920x1080 when available but I came to the realization that for most of my viewing getting 1280x720 made more sense and takes up a lot less room. But I refuse to join sites now that only have poor resolution, which means that I won't join a lot of sites with mostly older material, and after having been a regular customer of Videobox over the past seven or eight years I won't be going back to them either. Of course, with VB, the crappy resolution is just one of many problems there now.
Probably the biggest advantage to coming to TBP / PU for me is that it is now rare that I make a mistake and join a crappy site or feel cheated. The information here and at TBP at least lets me know what I'm getting. One thing I always look at now is the scene resolution. There are several sites I'd like to join but won't because the file resolution is too low.
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