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RagingBuddhist's Poll
I'm not really sure what the question is, but if it is something that is bad for me, then the answer is yes.
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04-01-13 05:45pm
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Dominated Girls
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Reply of
Jay G's Reply
Thanks for the comments Jay.
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03-10-13 02:46pm
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28
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Reply of
Wittyguy's Poll
I don't consider that I 'live here,' but I do pop by a couple of times per day...
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03-10-13 05:53am
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RagingBuddhist's Reply
I remember getting the email from the guy and having to read it multiple times to make sure I wasn't confused. The worst thing is that I really liked the site (aside from the streaming-only) and gave it a high score based on content but I said in the review that potential members needed to be aware that it is streaming only. As I recall now, his beef wasn't that I told people it was streaming but that I said he was unclear whether it was streaming. He pointed to his Terms of Service which were VERY vague as proof that he made it clear to people that the site was streaming only. I don't think the TOS was clear at all, and even so, how many people read the TOS before joining a site?
But I am still convinced that regardless of what he said his issue was, that he was really mad that I probably killed 90% of his potential business from PU members by pointing out that there were no downloads. (The site was new and hadn't been reviewed by the TBP folks yet.)
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03-09-13 04:26pm
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Girls Do Porn
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Reply of
slutty's Review
What an excellent review! Seriously. Detailed and thorough with every word contributing to the overall point.
This is a site I've thought about joining and I still might even though it has a lot wrong with it. I think just having a reputable biller is enough to cure a lot of problems because I know my risk is just the cost of the membership.
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03-09-13 05:06am
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VideoBox
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hodayathink's Reply
Good point on a possible source of material for them.
I discovered something that I thought was odd about the site. I'm going through there and replacing some of my favourite scenes that I had downloaded as lower-res wmvs with the best resolution H.264 on offer and I noticed that Burning Angel studio gave VB almost everything in HD whereas other studios have nothing in HD. I assumed that VB licenced the material and decided how to upload it, but it may be that they're licence is a lot more restrictive.
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03-09-13 04:56am
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VideoBox
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Reply of
messmer's Reply
It sounds like you and I are on the same path - now that we've taken the plunge into HD there is no going back.
I agree that if your tastes are for mature women this isn't the site for you as a frequent rejoin or as a long-term member: the updates you're interested in just aren't that frequent and they are rarely in HD. You're right though that my tastes make this a better deal. But the reality of porn is that my tastes are just better served by the market anyway. I do have a few niches that aren't well served so I can empathize with you in your search for good quality porn with mature models even if I don't share that specific interest.
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03-09-13 04:52am
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Janet Exposed
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Reply of
pat362's Reply
Nor me. But even if I were interested in the female model the business model is enough to keep me away.
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03-09-13 04:47am
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Reply of
Khan's Poll
It matters a lot to me - when it occurs. What I mean is that a webmaster doesn't need to respond to me personally, but when a webmaster replies here (or webmaster attitudes are reported here) that does impact on my decision to join a site. If a webmaster seems helpful, friendly and genuinely interested in providing a good site for members that is definitely going to make a positive impression. On the other hand, when a jackass threatens to sue me for revealing that his site is streaming-only, that likely means I'll never give him another dime.
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03-09-13 04:46am
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Janet Exposed
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Reply of
pat362's Review
Interesting review, pat. I'm definitely not in her target market, not being interested in MILFs. But even if I was, the need to download in segments would keep me away. I really don't understand how a webmaster could get a site so wrong.
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03-07-13 01:33pm
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VideoBox
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Reply of
hodayathink's Reply
I agree - VB is trapped in a cycle that they probably don't want to break out of, namely the need for five updates per day. With a $12 per month membership that limits them. But I'm assuming that at any given time VB must have thousands of members so it must still be lucrative for them - and I don't begrudge them for that. They provide a decent product for a low price.
But... I'm sure I'm not alone is saying that I'd stand by them if they went to one or two good quality updates per day. I think they could get away with that due to the huge size they've already built up.
I do think you've probably hit on a big part of the problem in that major studios might be reluctant to licence titles to them as that might divert traffic away from the studio's own site.
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03-07-13 01:27pm
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David Nudes
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Reply of
lk2fireone's Reply
Unless the site goes belly-up in a month or two... But I'm guessing that guys like us would do enough research to minimize that risk.
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03-07-13 01:22pm
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VideoBox
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Reply of
messmer's Reply
Thanks for the comments - and for correcting my error. They do upload 5 videos per day. I agree that if you have a specific niche you like you're better off going to sites that cater to that niche rather than relying on VB. The lack of anything above 640x480 on 80% of the uploads is a real drawback.
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03-07-13 01:21pm
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David Nudes
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Reply of
lk2fireone's Comment
Interesting membership option. I'm not sure I'd consider it given the volatility of the business though. But who knows? If Evil Angel or Kink made such an offer I might take the plunge.
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03-05-13 02:47pm
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Review
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VideoBox
(11)
90.0
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| Status: |
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
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| Pros: |
- 15,000+ DVDs
- Hundreds of Studios
- Incredible value
- Many popular niches served well
- Access to some hard-to-find titles |
| Cons: |
- Too much reliance on compilations
- File quality hasn’t kept up with industry standards |
| Bottom Line: |
I’m not sure if there is enough new here to qualify as a review rather than a comment, but I can’t pare down what I wrote to fit the comment section. Please be gentle if you scold me – I admit to being pretty long-winded here at PU.
VB is huge and continues to add four new DVDs per day. When you add the low monthly fee, the fact that they allow download managers and put no restrictions on downloads the site is an incredible value. People who prefer stolen porn over paying a low fee for a massive collection of virus-free porn must just enjoy stealing stuff.
Because of their size they tend to offer a lot of niche material. Take ‘classics’ for example. I wouldn’t consider VB a ‘classics’ site because proportionally there aren’t that many, but in terms of raw numbers there are probably more classic titles here than on some specific niche sites. Same with a lot of other niches like BDSM and peeing.
This subjective, but I really like that VB is adding a lot more titles from Diabolic, Anabolic and JM Productions. These are hard to find as legal downloads so seeing them here is great. They’re all great studios, though JM is likely an acquired taste.
Now on to the bad news:
I think the old phrase “jack of all trades, master of none” probably applies here. This is just my opinion, but I think that VB stresses quantity over quality as a lot of their uploads are pretty crappy. Yes, I realize that there may be a lot of people out there who like grade-C European porn and that they probably get mad when a title from a big American or European studio with good production values and known models is posted. So I won’t harp on the fact that a lot of the uploads are low-grade titles.
I do think a valid criticism is the number of compilations they upload. I get the concept of compilations and I used to buy a lot of compilation VHS tapes and DVDs when that’s how I got porn. That made sense. If I wanted a bunch of scenes with models in schoolgirl outfits doing anal I could but eight titles with one scene each in them or buy one compilation. That was an easy decision to make in those days. But that model doesn’t apply to the current download concept. If all I want are those scenes with youthful models in anal scenes then I can just download it the first time it gets uploaded and I have it. I don’t need it reposted a second, third or fourth time. The good news is that there are usually other members who post comments to identify that the scene is a repost. The bad news is that in some cases the scene might have been posted a half-dozen times, sometimes are recently as a day or two prior. The problem, in my opinion, lies in the decision to buy material from studios whose sole business model is to package compilations FROM STUDIOS THAT VB ALREADY BUYS MATERIAL FROM. I don’t see why VB buys titles from studios like Pandemonium when all that studio has to offer is material that is already posted on the site. The cynic in me figures that VB does this in the relentless push to upload four titles per day.
My biggest complaint about the site is something that I’ve just recently discovered. About six months ago I made a decision that many of you had made long before that: life is too short for low-res porn. I have no data cap from my ISP, external harddrives are relatively cheap and getting cheaper per GB so I download better quality scenes now than I would have even a year ago. But here’s the problem with VB: they haven’t expanded their download options in years. The highest resolution they offer now in 75% of their files is 640x480 and that’s the same that they offered back in 2005 when they started. Yes, I know they offer one HD DVD per day (on rare occasions they offer more than one HD per day) but that still leaves 75% of their titles with download options that fall short of industry standards. I realize that with a lot of older titles they are dealing with lower quality video to start, but they should still offer better choices than they currently do.
I usually add some of the extra ‘channels’ with my VB memberships but I’m not sure I will this time as the ones I do add – Evil Angel, Vivid and Kink – all offer HD on their own sites while most of the uploads on the channels offer nothing higher than the same 640x480. (I should add that Elegant Angel offers about half of the titles on their channel in HD but Evil Angel and Vivid offer none in HD.) One great thing about the channels is that the price is still pro-rated in your first month. There is one Vivid title that I really want so I can wait until the last days of my membership and add it for a low cost.
Even with its flaws, I have to admit that VB is still an amazing value. Whether you’re joining for the first time or the 20th time, you can’t deny that they offer a lot of porn for a low price. As much as I complain, VB will remain in a constant rotation through my memberships for the foreseeable future. |
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03-05-13 02:45pm
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Dominated Girls
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Reply of
messmer's Reply
I agree 100% that interviews at the end are better, but the reason I prefer them there is I like to hear the model's perspective on the actual scene rather than hear about her theoretical likes and dislikes beforehand.
I'm okay with how they do the bondage and torment, but like you, I do wish they'd build in more humiliation and public scenes.
Thanks for the comments! It's good to hear from another BDSM fan.
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03-05-13 01:40pm
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Review
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Dominated Girls
(1)
87.0
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| Status: |
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
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| Pros: |
- Part of the 21 Sextreme Network
- 250 scenes
- Updates regularly
- TBP Discount
- Supports download managers
- Many file choices
- Photos available (singles and zips) |
| Cons: |
- Can get a bit repetitive |
| Bottom Line: |
This site is part of the 21 Sextreme network that includes this and 13 other sites. The network is sold as the more extreme side of the 21 Sextury network. I’m a new fan of the 21 S1Sextury / 21 Sextreme networks and a long-time fan of good BDSM so I was definitely interested to see if this site met the standards set by many others in the two networks and how it compared to some of the better BDSM sites.
First a bit of a caveat: even if you are a fan of BDSM material you have to admit that it can sometimes get repetitive: girls in bondage can only have so many variations. The same can be said for a lot of other niches too, like massage and old-and-young. This site suffers from a bit of that as well, but I’m still glad I joined and still happy to have a lot of the scenes.
The site currently has 250 scenes and four new ones are added each month, though not necessarily on a weekly cycle.
One common element of most of the scenes is the same as with the other sites on this and the related network: the models are some of the most beautiful on the internet. For me, this increases my interest in the site since many of the models here aren’t true ‘fetish’ models.
The scenes share some other traits too: they all have the models in several different bondage set-ups (almost exclusively using rope), most have some other implements used, like ball gags, clamps or wax, and in most of the scenes there is actually sex, usually while the model is in bondage. This latter point isn’t unique to this site, but it isn’t available on every BDSM site. I suspect that legal concerns mean some sites just don’t take that risk. As a guy who likes watching anal scenes, there are some here but they aren’t in the majority.
One thing that is a bit of a negative for some (and others have commented on the same thing on other BDSM sites) but a probably a legal necessity is an interview at either the beginning or the end of the scene where the model ‘breaks the fourth wall’ and talks about what is about to happen or what just happened. As much as some people don’t like it I accept that given the extreme nature of a BDSM scene that is it probably necessary to keep the soccer-moms away. Personally, I find the interviews interesting and usually watch them.
The site is laid out in the same way as every other site on this and the related network, which is to say that it is simple but effective. There are some improvements coming with the addition of a large number of tags for sorting the scenes. This feature is visible now but not active so I can’t comment on it. If it works as planned though, it will be a great sorting tool.
Each page displays 36 large thumbnails showing the female model in the scene. Rolling your mouse over the thumbnail brings up so data on the scene, including model name and the date it was uploaded.
Clicking a scene’s thumbnail opens a new page where you have options to stream and download the scene. Immediately apparent is that there is an option to download just clips, but there is an option in all cases to download one full file. A trailer is also available. Streaming is available too, but I chose downloads.
There is a big difference in scenes uploaded before October 2009 and those uploaded after that. Prior to that date there were few options for downloads. In most cases those limited choices were a low-res H.264 file and a medium and high-res in WMV. Depending on when the scene was uploaded though, the high-res WMV is excellent. After October 2009 more options were made available, with three resolutions being offered in both H.264 and WMV. I found the mid-range H.264 to be the best compromise between quality and file size so I opted for that in most downloads. Those come in at 960x540 at 3000kb/s and 30fps. Subjectively they look great on a 23” monitor. (In the interests of clarity, there are approximately 170 scenes that have been uploaded since more options were offered.)
Download managers work well and I experienced no time-outs. Download speeds were better than I’m used to with similar sites.
Photos are also available and even though the site is really more of a video site the photos are well done and available in good resolutions. The lowest resolution I saw was 1280x853. Newer uploads offer that and 3504x2336. Zips are available.
The site has no real flaws: it has some great scenes with high production values and stunning models in a simple to use layout that allows download managers. What more could a BDSM fan ask for? I think that this site offers BDSM that is on par with the best out there, like the Kink sites and Society SM.
The bottom line is that if you’re a fan of good BDSM porn you won’t be disappointed by this site. The fact that it is part of a network and also comes with a TBP / PU discount makes this a great deal. |
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03-05-13 03:30am
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Val Midwest
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Reply of
exotics4me's Comment
Good catch, exotics. She is definitely hot. This site's page at TBP says that it bills through CCBill, but clicking through to Melissa Pass (which gives access to Val's site too) says there is no independent merchant. I might consider joining, but I'd definitely prefer to see a reputable biller used. (Plus, my preference would be for the lovely Val to have A-cups, but a guy can't have everything...)
[Edit - I was browsing around on Val's site and it appears that if you join there (through CCBill) you still get access to all the sites on Melissa Pass - and it looks like the price is lower for a three month membership through Val's site.]
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03-04-13 05:52pm
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Butt Man
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Reply of
RustyJ's Comment
I recall reading a recent post at Adult DVD Talk from the producer of the stretch class series. I don't remember a lot of details, but I do recall that he seemed to think that he had just invented something cool and game-changing like a jet pack or something. It seems that this may be the 'new' Buttman for a while.
Don't get me wrong though, while I do wish that Stagliano would do more than this series I am quite content to watch a lovely young lady stick things in her bum for hours on end. The only thing that could make the concept better is if it started out as a women's beach volleyball game that turned into wall-to-wall bum insertions.
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03-04-13 03:48pm
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Reply of
Khan's Poll
I've never used it because I had no idea it existed. I always just emailed the TBP / PU page link to myself. Now I've gotta be looking out for this feature...
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03-04-13 03:42pm
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Reply of
Dracula's Poll
I had what was diagnosed as ED once but it turned out that it was only fatigue.
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03-02-13 04:57am
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21Sextury.com
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Reply of
tangub's Reply
I never thought of that. Thanks for the update.
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03-01-13 06:56am
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VideoBox
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Reply of
marcdc1's Reply
No roku for me. I'm old school!
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03-01-13 06:55am
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Review
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Zoliboy
(1)
85.0
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| Status: |
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
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| Pros: |
- 1300+ scenes
- Part of a network
- Four updates per month
- Many download options on newer uploads
- Photos available
- Photo zips offered
- Incredibly beautiful models
- Download managers supported
- TBP / PU discount
- Some hard-to-find niches available here
- Owners seem to be actively working to improve the site |
| Cons: |
- Majority of scenes are in clips only
- Relatively conventional for an ‘extreme’ site |
| Bottom Line: |
Zoliboy is, I presume, the main site in the 21 Sextreme network. I make that assumption based on the fact that it is the largest site on the network by far. 21 Sextreme is promoted as the more extreme version of 21 Sextury.
The site has over 1300 scenes uploaded and continues to add four per month, though not necessarily one upload each week.
I’m also a member of 21 Sextury and I don’t know that I’d characterize 21 Sextreme as being more ‘extreme.’ Part of this opinion comes from the fact that a lot of the porn on the more ‘tame’ network has a fairly hard edge. That’s definitely not a complaint as I’m on the record as being a huge fan of 21 Sextury. The Zoliboy site certainly has elements that are less common in porn and may be viewed as more extreme by some. There are watersports scenes (and watersports within sex too), and more female on male rimming than occurs in more mainstream porn, but the entire site itself isn’t all that extreme. It isn’t like every scene on the site has an element that is outside the mainstream. There are a lot of scenes here that are fairly conventional and could easily be uploaded to the 21 Sextury network.
The newer videos on the site offer the same options as across the rest of the two networks with streaming and downloads being available. The downloads are available in both WMV and H.264 formats and in multiple resolutions. My go-to resolution was the mid-grade H.264 which came in at 960x540 at 3000kb/s and 30fps. Objectively I know these numbers look low, but subjectively the scenes look better than some with higher numbers from other sites. I did download a few of the highest-resolution H.264 scenes and these come in at 1920x1080 at 6200 kb/s and 50fps. (I don’t think I’ve ever seen 50fps before…). Subjectively these look incredible. They are crisp and clear and will likely look amazing on a big-screen TV. Download managers are supported.
Photos are also offered, with some scenes offering both photos and screenshots. These can be downloaded as singles or as zips. In most of the newer uploads the zips are available in low and high resolutions. The hi-res photos are approximately 3000x4200.
Most of the models on this site are the same that appear throughout this network and 21 Sextury. That’s definitely not a bad thing as so many of the models are incredibly beautiful. The vast majority of them are Russian or eastern European.
One thing I found odd about the site (considering that it is promoted as the main site of an ‘extreme’ network) is that the number of anal scenes here is actually lower than you find on the more ‘tame’ company network. This is both in terms of actual numbers and in proportion to the size of the site. This isn’t necessarily a pro or con – I’m just mentioning it. (Subjectively it is a con but I didn’t take that into account on scoring.)
The site layout is the same as with the rest of this network and the other company network. It is simple and easy to use. It appears that the site owners will be rolling out new filters soon which will (presumably) make it easier to sort scenes by a large number of tags.
The site does have one HUGE flaw, and it is somewhat baffling since this isn’t shared by any other site in this or the related network. The newest scenes offer lots of download options but on scenes uploaded before October 2009 the options are quite different. Prior to October 2009 only WMV files are available. The uploads in September 2009 still have decent resolution (1280x720, 3000kb/s and 30fps) but the problem is that the scenes are no longer available in a single, full scene, format. The best you can get is a two-part scene. Some scenes are in even more clips. I have no idea why the site owners made this choice considering that the scenes are all relatively short (10 minutes, give or take) for the full scene. 2009 wasn’t so long ago that only offering smaller clips made sense. From comments made here at PU it seems that the owners are actively looking to improve their networks. In my opinion making the scenes available as a single download should be high on their list. I’d prefer H.264 but will live happily with WMV but I really dislike having a scene broken down into multiple parts. (In real numbers, approximately 150 scenes are available as single downloads and more than 1000 are in clips only.)
The bottom line is that this is a great site that offers some beautiful models in some hard-edged porn. The newer scenes are available in many different ways but the older scenes are only available in clips. I don’t fully understand the reasoning for spinning off a separate network but given that this is all exclusive material with some of the best production values around I can’t fault the owners for wanting to generate more income so they can continue to make more great porn. When you add in the TBP / PU discount this site and network is a great value and I’d recommend it. |
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03-01-13 06:54am
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VideoBox
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Reply of
Dracula's Review
I definitely agree with your bottom line. I'm pretty open about my porn habits and people sometimes ask me for recommendations. VB is always my first recommendation. I can't see why anyone would risk viruses and promote piracy by using a tube site when VB exists and costs so little for the overall value.
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03-01-13 04:33am
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