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| 02-03-11 10:49pm - 4844 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Could the United States shut down the Internet? Technically yes. I read a news report that stated, technically, the United States could do the same thing Egypt did to block internet access. It said the government would have to call four or five top internet providers and order them to disrupt Border Gateway Protocols in a way that shut down the majority of American internet traffic. Still others said the government would have to deal with the country's thousands of internet providers in order to fully clamp down on internet access, which would be logistically difficult. But experts said that's unlikely to happen. (well, I'm no expert, but DUH!) Somebody spoke of the internet as if it were a giant, adaptable worm. He said the funny thing about the internet is even if you break it in half, the two halves will function as [separate] internets.  | |
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| 02-03-11 11:51pm - 4844 days | #2 | |
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Yariana (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 56 Registered: Mar 10, '10 Location: Salem Oregon |
It is my understanding legislation has been introduced for an internet kill switch giving the president power to shut down the internet in the event of a national security issue. There are already executive orders in place giving our president power to take over all forms of telecommunication which I believe is executive order 10995, but the internet kill switch is more internet specific. Our government is concerned with and trying to control information being released by alternative news investigative journalists and reporters. Americans are beginning to seriously question the legitimacy of our government in lieu of recently released documents and information, especially since they openly admit their plans to initiate martial law in America. The government sees the internet as a threat and have recently been noted as calling alternative news sources "Terrorists." This is documented, stated in Homeland Security documents. The more information the alternative news sources release to the public, the more Americans are questioning the actions of our government. The more we question and resist the loss of our rights and liberties, the more control Homeland Security uses to suppress this information. The internet kill switch legislation is a panic reaction from our government. If they can do it in Egypt, they can do it here. Their plan as I understand it, is to put in place their choice of a few major service providers and the rest of us will have sub-domains under these few major providers. We will be required to apply with the government for a license to run a site and be under their complete control. The biggest problem with this bill is it can be enacted with absolutely no judicial review. The final decision is placed in the hands of one Janet Napolitano, DHS secretary, Homeland Security. The question is: Will America tolerate this? For more info on the subject: http://www.infowars.com/internet-kill-sw...ch-bill-will-return/ Edited on Feb 04, 2011, 12:06am | |
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| 02-04-11 01:04am - 4844 days | #3 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Well, Yariana, that's a pretty hefty package of wake-up news. Admittedly, a debate much too heavy for me wade into. I will credit myself, however, to have opened the door for this (your) very insightful and thought-provoking post. I suspect it'll raise the brows of just about all who read it.  | |
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| 02-04-11 08:48am - 4844 days | #4 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
This is just what I have been talking about for the last couple of years. It doesn't raise my eyebrows at all. I don't believe it's a case of if they control the internet, it's when and how. If they can do it under the pretence of "terrorist threats" it should all go smoothly for them. It will be perfect for big business. I believe if people can set up a satellite or radio internet service, without the need for servers, the control can be bypassed to a certain extent. Alternative views can be beamed in by satellite from other countries. For years satellite could be used to bypass censorship laws. If a satellite service without the need for servers from our own countries can be set up, we still have a chance for a free internet. Edited on Feb 04, 2011, 08:55am | |
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| 02-04-11 10:03am - 4844 days | #5 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
The numbers of Americans seriously questioning the legitimacy of our government is very, very, very small. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXCYNpP9nMk Take everything with a grain of salt. Conspiracy theories are nothing new, they've been around forever, and will continue forever until the end of mankind. Edited on Feb 04, 2011, 10:14am | |
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| 02-04-11 03:07pm - 4844 days | #6 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
The problem regarding conspiracies is not with what you refuse to believe but what you are willing to believe. If you're creative enough then it's quite easy to "see" that the whole world's out to get/detain/control you. I'm a pretty skeptical person myself so I have a hard time rationalizing the idea that any government organization is really that obsessed with putting me in a "FEMA camp," or whatever it's called this week (I only wish I were that special!).  Yes, of course I doubt any government wants total and absolute liberty of its people--after all that's antithetical to why a government exists--but I don't think it's drawing up plans to haul me off to a gulag in order to lobotomize and sterilize me either. Government leaders are always looking for ways to increase their power, it's human nature. One, it can make governing considerably easier and faster. And two, politicians are almost always ambitious power-hungry people to begin with, and they are drawn to the idea that they could have even more power. But none of this means we are one tax increase or gun law away from living in some sort of loony "1984" fantasy, that's just not thinking seriously. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-04-11 11:14pm - 4843 days | #7 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
According to a recent article, the internet "kill switch" doesn't exist, and the current legislation they are trying to pass doesn't give the president this power. http://www.sunjournal.com/state/story/980334 It wasn't that long ago that killing the net would be pretty easy just by shutting down MAE West or part of MAE Eest, but at this stage so much fiber has been run from so many different ISPs to so many other ISPs that it would be pretty difficult to completely shut it down, and I don't really see many ISPs cooperating with such a possibily. Shutting down the public exchanges would slow everything down, but I don't know that it would kill the net anymore. Not to say anything good would come from the Collins legislation, I don't really understand why they are trying to pass it and what it really accomplishes. I'm not sure what TheSquirrel means by free internet... I don't think any Western nation could get away with what Mubarak did, even if it was for public safety or some such bullshit. I think net neutrality is a far far bigger deal than this bill is, especially for porn users. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 02-05-11 12:50am - 4843 days | #8 | |
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james4096 (0)
Suspended Posts: 132 Registered: Mar 02, '09 |
Whenever Skynet takes over you'll wish the government had a kill switch.  | |
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| 02-05-11 07:57am - 4843 days | #9 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Slutty - My worry about free internet is governments have to approve isp's. They license them much the same as they license broadcasters. Satellite broadcasting cut through those boundaries, so we could see what others did in more censorship free countries. In the end I think it was this which enabled us to obtain hardcore porn in this country, without the supplier risking time in prison. But there is the political aspect too. The government and the rich don't need to control the media becasue they own it. Therefore there is very little free speech out there. I think governments want to control the internet because the public still has too much control for their liking. They can voice protest against government and big business. There are also too many free downloads for their big business buddies. These are the people who put them in power, so they are going to be pulling for them. They need a way to obtain control, so that political opinion is stifled to a wimpish Guardian type liberalism, and free downloads end, which means bigger profit and control for big corporations. It isn't the off/kill switch or sudden nutty dictator which worries me, it's the gradual erosion of human rights and free speech which evolves over time. The internet is relatively free at the moment, but governments are continually making noises about controlling isp's, threatening to shut them down if they don't comply with limiting free downloads, or limit certain types of comment and political opinion. It will continue to grip tighter and tighter like a boa constrictor. It's always gradual in our parts of the world. Censorship is political becasue it implies those in control have superior opinions to the public majority. Censorship not only implies this it also demonstrates they have the power to impose their views and morality on the majority. Those in power now own virtually all media apart from the internet. Only limited views and opinions are allowed to be represented in these rich and powerful owned companies. This is a time of relatively free speech because of the internet. I think it will end. I hope I am wrong. Edited on Feb 05, 2011, 08:39am | |
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| 02-06-11 12:28am - 4842 days | #10 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Interesting thoughts, although I don't really see the erosion of free speech in non-internet media. One could argue that even though there are a large number of media conglomerates these days, this isn't really all that different from the past, aside from the fact that there aren't as many independent newspapers anymore. Censorship has existed in main stream media for a long time, if anything I would say that we live in a much less censored society these days then we did even 20 years ago. While there may be a lot of self censorship within corporations, I don't really think the government is stepping in all that often. Certainly the FCC has gone batshit over dumb crap like Jackson's tit and Howard Stern, but this isn't really any different than the past, I'm sure if Stern had tried some of that stuff in the 50's he would have been thrown in prison. Perhaps I'm just less paranoid than some, but I don't really think the government cares much about the day to day crap normal people do or say. Society is much more permissive of many things these days, and I can't see them trying to induce some type of censorship without significant blowback. Governments having to approve ISPs is a perfectly reasonable thing, and there are hundreds of enterprises that need government oversight/approval (local and federal), does that mean the government is trying to "control" those companies? Its not censorship until the government shuts something down for content it doesn't approve of, this is beyond the level of ISPs, that would be regulating individual users. Also, the people that put most politicians in office could give a rat's ass about the movie/music/porn industries. Until an oil company buys Time Warner or something, I wouldn't worry about it. In the 50 US companies by revenue Time Warner was the only one I saw at number 49 with $47B in revenue, ExxonMobil had almost that much in profit... Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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