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03-03-21  10:34am - 1173 days #6
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03-03-21  10:31am - 1173 days #5
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Thanks to rearadmiral for taking the time to say what he thinks, because that is very much what I think too, so that saves me a lot of time and effort. In the past I would have been happy to put in that time and effort because PU was fun, but for a number of reasons I no longer find that the case. Apart from what admiral says there are a few other reasons I shall list below.

There was a happy serendipity with the atmosphere created by the original members who were intelligent, experienced, and comfortable in their own skin. For many reasons those originals started to leave, even before the new owners took over. You can't do anything about those who moved on for their own reasons, but PU could have been saved.

I realise there is very little money in a site like this, but the owners have made very little effort with PU. They spend virtually no time and money on the place other than the expense of keeping it going. They spend virtually no time here, and no effort interacting with members. They give the impression of having no interest in what the members think. They give the impression of not giving a damn about members generally. Nearly everything they do is clumsy and tends to piss off someone.

Personally I couldn't care less about the raffle, but some care a lot. You rarely get a happy forum, as there are usually trolls and people who are rude, but originals here were generally very polite and understanding. Possibly that was created by the way PU was run, and if you can't understand how that atmosphere was created, there is no way of retrieving it.

I understand there will always be some kind of shilling as the place is here to promote porn, but there is a fine line between honest reviews with some promotion, and promotion purely for financial gain. The original owners occasionally crossed the line but mostly got it right.

I rarely visit here nowadays but they are my thoughts.

01-11-21  04:53pm - 1224 days #10
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I understand your pain, but both sides are past the point of talking. There are two very separate factions. Over in GB it has been pointed out by conservative observers that American elections are now more like those from a banana republic. Any election where official observers are not allowed to observe precludes it from being considered fair and democratic. Writing about it is not going to help because there are those on your side and those against.

No one is changing their mind at this point, and it's not for me to give advice, so I'm going to give you some advice, I would save your exasperation and perspiration, lower your blood pressure, and give yourself a complete break from the news.

For the record I very much admire Trump for what he has achieved in reducing unemployment, stimulation business, then taxing fairly and using the money to invest in deprived and underprivileged areas. One side cares about that and one side doesn't. Sometimes you have to give yourself a break from the anger and injustice. that's the world we live in.

What are conservatives going to do next? I don't know, but whatever it is, all of the conservative world needs to support it.

01-11-21  03:19pm - 1224 days #3
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Yes LKLK, big tech and social media encouraged Antifa and BLM in their "largely peaceful" rioting and looting leading to people being killed, with hundreds of billions in damages, as businesses, and even whole communities were destroyed. The censorship of conservatives was getting worse and a whole shut down was going to happen anyway but now they have the excuse. It's been a bad few years for free speech. I feel sorry for real Americans, who are my favourite people, but I wont be visiting the country again. Edited on Jan 11, 2021, 03:23pm

05-30-20  08:51am - 1451 days #18
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I would have thought if they are going to stop the points thing along with newbie status, members' records should be wiped. Not doing so is a bit of an insult to new members who are contributing a lot but not getting any credit. This thing was built to make money, but they made it fun for members, which is why you had points and badges etc.

I have left a positive trust rating for Alybator along with the comment she has not been treated very well by PU.

This isn't the old regime, but when Khan and Rick did something, they said why, so even if you didn't agree, you had their perspective. They didn't ignore members. You continually received feedback from them.

If this place isn't being ignored or neglected, it may be they want it to be something different. They may want something which has very low cost and input, but just chugs along earning a few bucks. They don't want or need a friendly forum with a social thing building up between members.

That can be the only conclusion. If they wanted it to be an original type of PU they would be putting more in to the site, and that isn't happening.

One other observation is that if the raffle is causing disagreement, and irritation, just end it. That wont do much for the atmosphere here, and agree with what has been said in the above posts. Having looked at the lack of feedback, new owners don't appear to care about being fair, or about building a community that is fun and active. Edited on May 30, 2020, 09:00am

05-29-20  11:40am - 1451 days #13
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I've seen critical things said on the forum in the past couple of years, but not quite sure what the complaints are about. Some old members do not seem happy, and it appears to be raffle oriented. I was never one who worried about the raffle and on the odd occasion I won, it was a pleasant surprise, but not the reason I did reviews.

I always tried to do great reviews, but looking back on them they are just about okay. I tried to inform, have a gripe over the negatives and also focus on some positives. That's about it. I took quite a long time over them and they turned out okay. I did that for a while, and was happy to put in the time as a little hobby, but didn't want to spend too much time when there were other things to do.

I have never been one of the in crowd here but enjoyed regular visits for several years. I still visit occasionally, the atmosphere is different, but not sure why. Obviously there is some sort of dissatisfaction with the new regime. It's inevitable in a way I suppose, but I did like the Khan and Rick way of doing things. It's not that I dislike the way it's run now, but I see some old hands unhappy with what's happening. Slightly puzzled.

After writing the above I've just had a look at Homegirls' reviews and from the way I understand, it she should definitely have some points for those. I've sent a trust vote for what it's worth.

Now it looks like the points thing was scrapped? I'm more confused. Admin isn't around very much, resulting in little feedback. There should be a continual presence here if they are taking it seriously, so maybe PU is fading away. Edited on May 29, 2020, 11:58am

12-06-19  02:56pm - 1626 days #4
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The first video and a few others on that and subsequent pages, I think come from Nu West/Leda. At a guess they are around 20 years old but could be older. Nu West/Leda still has a website.

Clips on the first few linked pages come from a variety of sources: Lupus, Her First Punishment, Pain4Fem, Mood, Wild Africa Canings, RealSpankings, HardCaning, and I think some from Calstar, Girls Boarding School, Moonglow, and Shadow Lane. Some have the name of the source material company.

Lupus stopped producing a year or two ago, but I remember them saying their clips can still be downloaded (I think on Clips4Sale). After a court case that shut them down, Mood/Elite Pain reopened and shifted from hard caning and strapping into bdsm, whipping, and sexual torture.

Her First Punishment clips are I think available on Russian Submission, but some of their clips are now also available on Mood Universe's Russian Spanking website. HardCaning didn't last long but some of their clips are available on Mood Universe's Mood Castings site.

VIP Spanking have a number of sites under their banner including Calstar. There are a number of very old British Spanking movies to be found there.

One of the original internet spanking sites, Girls Boarding School, still exists, and is available on the VIP Spanking package. RealSpankings is also still producing. Edited on Dec 06, 2019, 03:06pm

11-08-19  02:41pm - 1654 days #7
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I have no real problem with it myself, as it's providing information, although it would have been better if he had listed all the sites that do use condoms and all those that don't, in one easy to read list on this forum.

10-18-19  09:40am - 1676 days #32
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That's the trouble Freddie, I don't think you can moderate the tone, or should try to, it is a reflection of the people, so you have to hope the next generation is influenced by the previous one. I believe over moderation is counter productive, especially as this is a place given its nature, that often deals with censorship, and has users that generally very much hate censorship.

From what I've seen you are not doing a bad job. People will disagree, you just have to hope it's done in the nicest most polite way.

10-16-19  01:49pm - 1677 days #30
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Well I would have thought it reasonably obvious given the comments on here in the past few months. Here's a few: Disagreements on the Raffle thread, on this thread, on the politics thread (natch!), on the suggestions/complaints thread, Mbaya not happy, Drooler disabled account, harassment by some on those who don't like the same sort of porn, a comment by Loki on this thread saying thread has got quite antagonisitc, exotics quote about Freddie being "so used to being defensive that you completely misunderstood my post." That'll do for starters.

Some of us are seeing the same sort of thing and the tone changing. Not that I'm the nicest or mildest person, but I can just see a difference here, and so can others. It's still mild aggro compared to a lot of forums though.

Also just in my opinion, it's hard to force people to be nice to one another and agree to disagree without it being heated. The great thing about this forum is that for a number of years people were polite while arguing and disagreeing voluntarily, it wasn't forced. Edited on Oct 16, 2019, 02:00pm

10-16-19  12:33pm - 1677 days #28
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My thoughts are along the same lines as rearadmiral and exotics. If a site is part of a network and all the content is available then you can review that site, but if it's part of a third party network where only some of the content is available then the review should be a review of the third party network, not the site with limited content.

I can understand why this has happened. In the past a network has consisted of various sites, which are all its own, and mostly look the same.

I have always agreed with the idea of a minimum requirement for a review. I understand the previous owners did not want to discourage new reviewers, so set a reasonably low bar for lottery tickets. My own feelings are that the standard should be a bit higher to qualify for lottery tickets, and maybe some recognition of the very best reviews.

I am surprised in the current climate that there is any lottery at all, but if you are going to have them I would prefer to see them go to worthy reviews, but at the same time try to inspire and encourage newbies to create better reviews.

I rarely visit here nowadays, but in the past this was the most civilized of forums. I am surprised and disappointed at the level of acrimony and heated exchanges.

02-20-19  12:39pm - 1915 days #5
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As one of the few left who was willing to pay for porn, I am at a stage where I now fear giving anyone my card details, in case something happens as it did with Videosz/Bang with Segpay (check out my latest comment.)

With my card now cancelled because of fraud once I get a new one I shall not be sending my details anywhere soon, which means less of my money in the system.

This is a shame for me because I still prefer subscribing to a site over a free tube, and a shame for legitimate porn sites, because they will not be paid for top class content.

The answer is with the government. Yes I know - chortle guffaw laugh whatever. Thing is your details whether credit card or personal should be sacrosanct, and signing you up to free cam sites without your permission resulting in fraudulent charges should be a criminal offence.

We've often heard on here about the behaviour of BangBros and Mind Geek in general, and the dodge around of giving incorrect details so getting through to Epoch. We shouldn't even have to do this. You should not be signed up for ANYTHING, without having to give your details all over again and have to tick "yes" every time they try to make a deduction from your card.

I appreciate what this place tries to do. It makes a profit from porn and at the same time tries to keep it honest, which helps both the customer and the supplier. I know you are trying to help and at the same time make an honest living.

I still prefer paying for porn, but think I'm going to take a rest from the potential hassle of trying to get my money back from suspect sites. It's a shame because many sites are great and the price of porn is very cheap. I'd rather pay double and be secure in the knowledge my details are safe.

05-08-18  06:18am - 2204 days #8
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Actually, I haven't tried that but I'd like to. When I plug the drive in nothing happens. The light comes on in the drive but the drive isn't visible anywhere. I've tried "My Computer," "Disk Manager" and "Device Manager." It's invisible. Looking back on it, I was downloading a scene onto it when that failed and locked everything up. I figured that it was a software glitch but maybe what caused that was the physical drive failing.

On the frustration level this is pretty low because I had everything backed up.

Let this be a lesson to all of us!!!!! Back your stuff up!!!


I have had this sort of trouble a lot with WD drives. It happens when they get close to full, and often the computer appears to mistake one drive for another. Obviously you have tried pretty much everything but on a number of occasions a drive that has looked impossible to revive has been revived. I have used another drive on the same port then plugged the problem one in later. The right click and re format has often worked, but sometimes the old data is still on there without having to re format.

Nowadays I even backup my backups.

If the drive seems to be invisible under devices and drives it will sometimes appear under a different name (like USB Drive B), so look under a name that you don't recognise and try the right click and re format option, or unplug then plug back in while observing your devices and drives list and see if anything appears or disappears. Edited on May 08, 2018, 06:33am

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Was going to suggest re formatting but you've already tried that. Right click and a re format option usually comes up. Edited on May 07, 2018, 11:23am

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Shocked and saddened are the common words in the above threads, and they describe exactly how I feel. He was someone I never knew or even met, but think I would have liked him. I may have a wrong impression, but from his posts and online style, he came over as a quiet, genuine and private man, with a lot of integrity, determination, and application.

In the few communications I had with him he was an absolute gent. I feel like the above members, that he is one of those people who will be missed by friends, but also made enough impression to be missed by people who didn't even know him. A very sad thread.

Khan - (to borrow a very apropos line from Dave Allen) may your God go with you.

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Porn, ALL Porn, can be hazardous to both mental and physical health. That applies to some jobs too. It all depends on how far you want to go in legislating a dirty business.

I don't buy the banning it altogether will make it go underground argument. Banning murder, sexual abuse, blackmail, and terrorism, makes it go underground too. Good. It doesn't stop it altogether, but it does help. Banning porn would mean there is less of it, much less, so there are fewer people at risk. The porn industry has exploded in volume with legalisation, satellite, and the internet.

I'm not saying I want to ban porn, but I accept it is a hazardous industry, filled with some truly awful people. Same as the music industry. It doesn't lessen my entertainment.

I would prefer current laws apply to porn, so if a girls is forced to do something she doesn't want to do, there are laws which punish those who do the forcing. That is good too. Lock em up and don't let them out. A porn actress should be signing something stating exactly what the job entails. Anything outside that is against the law.

A few years ago they tried to prosecute some men who were into pretty severe masochism and made videos of it for their own entertainment. I am not into that, but I do not want to impose my narrow mindedness on them. If they wish to do that, that is okay by me. My worry is the morally righteous will eventually have their way and laws will be imposed to try and stop the porn industry, because it is such a damaging industry. Or maybe they should?

I do not wish to impose my standards on others, but do see a need to protect workers in industry, however they are just my standards from my perspective. Some wish to impose their own morality. Where does genuine concern, and smug self righteous morality cross over? Are they the same thing? I don't know.

With that I shall say it's been good here, but things change. I am not doing the really silly account suspended thing. There are only really graymane and admiral left who I like, and agree with. Most of the older regulars I like appear infrequently. I'm not saying this is my last post because there may be something really important that I may have to say at some point in the future, but I think I have now said all I have to say, and don't want to endlessly repeat myself. I wish Rick, Khan and co much success. Run good! Edited on Jun 11, 2014, 08:15am

06-01-14  05:56pm - 3640 days #31
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Originally Posted by graymane:




A hearty welcome-back drop-in, squirrel, -- (even if it's for just a little while) -- to a top player in our PU community.

From this member's perspective: ..... your charismatic grasp of the language and thought-provoking rants have been sorely missed.
And I'd like to think I speak for us all upon passing out these deserving accolades.

Let us see more of you, partner!

PS .....I share implicitly (to the letter) your rant on the mandatory law regarding seat-belts.
Among other things, it's my body .....and I want the choice to put it into whatever realm of chance that I choose.


Thanks graymane. I still visit here regularly but am generally happy nowadays to be an observer rather than contributor. Occasionally I see something worth commenting on. This is a thread that touches on porn users arguing over government intervention in porn. I would like to point out something that should be obvious - porn users in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Porn fans are no different to anyone else in thinking their tastes (whatever they may be) are okay, and morally righteous, whereas those of others aren't.

Enforcing condom use may make porn more safe, but so would banning porn altogether. Given the amount of severely damaged people who enter porn, and the amount of damage done to people in porn, it would be far better to ban it altogether. That would make it really safe.

There are many people in the world who have struggled over the years to stop the spread of porn. They consider themselves to be morally righteous. They consider porn to be evil and damaging to both those in the business and to those who consume it.

Once you start thinking that it's right to impose your own morality and standards on others, you can end up being disappointed because everyone has their own standards and morality. Getting government involved means you are trusting a corrupt bunch of liars, cheats, and hypocrites to pass laws concerning morality, sexual behaviour, and porn production.

Once government starts laying down those laws (for the good of the people of course), who knows where it will lead. If you are into porn and want to see government have a say in these things, don't be surprised if it doesn't end where you want it to end.

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^I'm going to take you at your word and assume that what you wrote is the truth so first let me ask you who's rights are being violated with the condom law? I mean it doesn't prevent anyone from shooting with anyone else. All it does is force studios to use condoms during the penetration part of their scenes. I know some have made the argument that the rights of performers to shoot their scenes bareback is being violated but since so many performers now escort and I assume most use a condom than where is the problem with them also using one while doing porn? Especially since it's been proven that you can no longer trust the STI test performers have. Some have used the excuse that condoms cause friction and this can add to the possibility of them getting an infection but Wicked has been using condoms for decades and no one has ever complained so that excuse is hard to accept.

Now as to your choosing to not wear a seatbelt. Why would you do that? A seatbelt is meant to save your life in the event of an accident so you are telling me that you don't care whether you live or die simply because someone in the past made a law based on scientific studies that seatbelts saved more lives than they cost. You do know that makes absolutely no sense. I'd also like to point out that enforcing seatbelt laws probably cost government more money than not doing that because people who used to die in car accidents, prior to seatbelt laws, now survive and cost more money for their medical treatments and rehabilitation.


The reasons why I prefer not to wear a seat belt are unimportant to the argument, but persons of a certain age in this country will know them.

The main point is how far should a government should go in restricting personal freedoms, for the supposed benefit of all? Everyone has their own opinion where the line should be drawn. No right, no wrong, just opinion, and everybody has one.

Like a lot of Americans, I prefer government interfering as little as possible. I always think for any given country, the more the censorship, the fewer the personal freedoms, and the more restrictive the laws, the more uncivilised, fearful, ignorant, dangerous, and inferior a people are. Just my view of things.

The good rulers in Sudan have sentenced a woman to death for choosing to be a Christian rather then Muslim. It's all for the collective good of course. This is what happens in extreme cases, when fearful ignorant smug self righteous bigots think they know what is best for everyone.

FTR I come from a time when we didn't wear seat belts. I have always hated them. I hate feeling trapped, have heard of people being killed when their necks were broken due to wearing a seat belt, and also being trapped in a burning car when their seat belts would not undo. The figures may say wearing them is more likely to save your life but I consider I should have a choice, besides they crease up good shirts and jackets. Come to think of it, I do have a choice - I choose to break the law.

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It's the exact same thing. I don't know if you are aware but motorcycle owners bitched and fought tooth and nail for decades trying to prevent the government from passing any kind of helmet law. The most common statement was usually that it's their right to go without a helmet because it's their life and they can do what they wanted with it. That is only true if you live alone on a desert island but you can't say that if you don't. One person's actions affect more than themselves. It affects their family and friends as well as complete strangers who's life is affected when that free person crashes his bike and requires the services of paramedics, doctors, nurses, polices officers who will have to deal with someone who didn't care enough about the others to wear a helmet while riding a high speed vehicle.

It's no different for the condom debate because the people in the porn industry don't live on a desert island where their actions affect only themselves. In fact it's much worse because unlike a bike helmet. One infected person will automatically infect at least one more person by not wearing a condom. Since so many porn performers now escort on a regular basis than their actions can also infect non-performers.



It's a good argument but unfortunately one that is used to restrict freedom. Are they doing it to protect porn performers or doing it so there's one more law to restrict freedom, show who's boss, and impose their own morality? Does government have a good record of caring about, protecting, and looking after the needs of people who aren't in the rich minority?

I still often do not wear a seat belt even though it's against the law. I don't respect the law because it's created and upheld by lying cheating corrupt scum. Most of it is there to protect them from us. From my perspective they are the enemy. The law shouldn't be respected, and neither should those who make it or uphold it.

Sex and sexual behaviour is one thing they have a hard time controlling. This is one effort to get a finger in that. It's all a question of belief. It boils down to how far you want to go in restricting freedom in order to protect us inferior socially lacking unimportant slobs from ourselves.

One way would be to ban cars (except for business purposes), smoking, sex (unless licensed for the need of procreation), knives, airplanes (except for business purposes), fatty foods, high buildings, large expanses of water, and enforce a 6pm curfew. This could be all be paid for using 80 per cent taxation as these policies cost money, and so does building prisons to lock up those who refuse to be protected for their own good.

The world would be a much safer place, and a few smug self satisfied fucks could live in luxury, while the rest of us work and live in safety. Edited on May 31, 2014, 09:56am

04-13-14  07:12pm - 3689 days #4
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Originally Posted by graymane:


Thanks, Squirrel..... as usual, for throwing in a few words to help make all the work on this story worthwhile.


You're welcome. This place is going through a transition at the moment, as all forums do from time to time. The older names are appearing less and less, which means those who appreciate some good writing aren't around so much to at least say "nice post, good effort." That means me too. If good writing isn't appreciated it simply disappears and you end up with a boring forum.

I'm around less nowadays, which will be permanent, but I still visit to check if any of my favourite names are around. Yourself and rearadmiral are about the only two left. Denner, Drooler, messmer, Ik2fireone, RB, Cap'n etc etc have all sadly gradually become the supporting cast, with an occasional cameo appearance. That doesn't mean the end of PU, it just means a change. New members will mean a new tone, and they will build up their own allegiances.

As I have mentioned before, I have my own reasons for not appearing as much as I did. It's got nothing to do with what I think about the site, or the people who own and run it, but seeing the names I like best, appearing less makes it easier to drop into the background. I'll still be lurking somewhere though, if only to occasionally show some appreciation. The place wouldn't be the same without you - nice bit of writing.

Good luck to Rick, Khan and co. with their new venture - whenever it appears. Edited on Apr 13, 2014, 07:25pm

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Darn, here comes reality again, something you're probably all to aware of at the moment. Casting vids are great, if they're done right, even though we all know it's bullshit. All you want them to do is get the camera and lighting right. That's not too hard is it? Nice to see you posting through the pain - unless aliens wrote that.

04-06-14  10:27am - 3697 days #5
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Great post Graymane, the body may be weak, but the mind is still functioning - unless it's been taken over by aliens.

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Apologies, I have only just caught up with this. I am so sad to hear about this but thank you for sharing. You always go out on a limb and bring this place to life, it's just an enormous shame on this occasion, it's under such tragic (yes, tragic) circumstances.

No consolation to anyone but it's not only American doctors who screw up, I know one or two over here who have had incompetent and uncaring medical help and botched operations that made their lives hell for the rest of their natural.

I don't know about the U.S. situation but I always consider that sort of thing is less likely to happen to me, because I am one angry, arrogant, obnoxious, litigious son of a bitch. This is awfully unfair on doctors and the medical profession but I have always considered the best way to get good medical care is by being thoroughly rude and unpleasant, and at times, making their lives a misery. The people who have suffered most at the hands of doctors, have all been thoroughly decent upstanding citizens. Typical of life, isn't it?

Your writing is so good Graymane, you fill me with complete terror. Terror because what you talk about is virtually everyone's future, even without medical incompetence, because that's what age does to everyone if you live long enough. I am becoming more aware of it as I grow older, and those close to me grow old and die. The longer they live the more they have to endure.

What you write saddens me deeply. Ridiculous anyone could say, because we don't know one another and never will, and this is just a porn forum, but sometimes a sort of magic happens. That's the wonder of the internet. Just occasionally a forum becomes something it was never intended to be. A magical blend of members makes it not only entertaining, but takes it to a new level and members become friends. Not friendship in the usual sense, but friendship for a new world. So I know the regular members here are all feeling the same way. We are very much saddened by your story, and very much don't want to lose you. Also there is that deep down fear because we know what you describe is our future too.

Knowing a number of people who have been in pain, I know the thing that you most want to be is free of pain, or at least relatively free of pain. There are no other concerns, so that's what I wish for you.

I hope you regain some quality of life. The forum is relatively unimportant compared to a pain free real life, but I can tell you your absence would be a huge loss and diminish some of that magic.

02-06-14  09:07pm - 3755 days #15
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Personally I prefer all over blue skin, pink skin, whatever, than those awful tats. You've probably all seen the horrendous sight of a body virtually all covered in tattoos.

Orion slave girls from Star Trek, yum!

02-05-14  09:29am - 3757 days #4
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Nice one Graymane. I wonder how many would actually take up that offer. You should patent it right now, then start up a company with the usual get out clauses, you know the sort, not responsible for cancer, ill health, pain, death, or mental incompetence. That should cover it.

01-28-14  06:08pm - 3764 days #9
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Originally Posted by bibo:


@graymane:
Thanks for the laugh, I really enjoyed your rant and might I say: I completely agree with you!

@TheSquirrel:
I remember reading the review of that site now that you mentioned it. The problem with this site is that it's POV plus normal angle. And I'm not a big fan of POV scenes, because POV usually means shaky camera and blurry close ups of random body parts.

I'm thinking about two different (non-POV) angles at the same time. Maybe one camera focusing on the girl's face.

Frankly speaking: I don't know why companies aren't at least trying this. All they need is an extra camera and another dude holding it and they could sell the same scene basically twice. Or make two updates out of it or whatever their business model is. If the video specs are right and the shootings are well done, I'd even pay extra money to get the full access.


I agree, I'm not a big fan of POV either. Getting two angles, without one being a close up would be good, but in the current porn climate of lowest common denominator, it's unlikely to happen. I'd certainly subscribe though.

01-27-14  09:33am - 3766 days #6
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Not sure the site was working right got a few playing errors.
Is this like picture in picture ?


Not quite - either two views side by side or two videos with different views played separately. To view videos side by side you have to download their special software.

01-26-14  04:42pm - 3766 days #4
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I may be stating the bleeding obvious but - Double View Casting.

01-18-14  06:37pm - 3774 days #10
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Originally Posted by pat362:


^I don't need my porn performers to be drop dead gorgeous. A girl next door/plain Jane is more than adequate because I need more than looks to sexually stimulate me. What I do not want to see are bad cases of facial blemishes or the now ever present pimples on the girls ass or around her genitals. There are so many scene start great but become unwatchable once the camera zooms to the below the waist region. A good makeup artist could fix that but since the producers want to shoot the scenes for the least amount of money than that basically means that I have even less porn available for purchase.


We may be out of touch with porn users here on Porn Users. Most porn fans may want their girls to be drop dead gorgeous. Personally I prefer a natural look with some curves but either young/skinny/thin or BBW seem to be the options available. There is a certain porn uniform look. In fact the porn look is a uniform, as much as an army uniform. It states what you are and what you do.

Agreed about once the camera drops below the waist. I have seen one or two cruel comments on forums run by porn sites. One or two stunning girls even appear to have genital warts, and some have bad blemishes, spots, warts etc.

You have hit a nail on the head, HD reveals the brutal truth and all the imperfections in not too flattering detail. With lower resolution good makeup artists aren't needed as much, but what is the point of HD if it turns out to be a turn off rather than turn on, because it shows too much of the truth?

I guess porn is going to become even more realistic, with more emphasis on what we keep calling "abuse" here on PU. No time to focus on the beauty of the female, no time to focus on any imperfections, just watch as she gets bashed, mauled, and slimed. That's probably too negative, but it maybe one part of the future of porn.

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Originally Posted by pat362:


I'm going to throw this one in because I haven't seen it mentioned by anyone else. Is it possible that part of the problem is that technology now makes a very beautiful women less so because what was hidden behind a lower resolution image is now completely revealed in HD.

After all these women may be above the norm look wise but they are still human being and therefore prone to the same skin blemishes we all suffer from. It used to be that a model or actress could hide their imperfections behind a filter lens or the use of makeup but today's camera sees what past cameras did not. This problem is compounded by the harsh reality that many studios no longer use makeup artist. Badly applied makeup or no makeup at all is bound to affect what a model looks like. There is a reason why the word artist is used when talking about professionals who apply makeup. I know many studios think that they can photoshop the pictures after the fact and it's true that they can but the finish product is no longer the picture of a real person but is instead a computer generated facsimile where it's obvious we aren't looking at a real person anymore.

I'd like to add that it's quite possible that the current crop of models are not as impressive as the ones that came before them and that's why so any of us enjoy these new women but keep going back to past ones.


I think there could be a great deal of truth in this. When you look at some actresses the way they are photographed makes them look stunning, but send in a paparazzi photographer and they can look very plain or even unattractive. I used to know someone who was attractive, but put her in front of a camera with some makeup and she looked out of this world sensational.

Some are simply more photogenic than others. There are some stunning girls out there who would look great in front of a camera, but there is a limited number of attractive girls willing to do porn. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but some without doubt are more attractive than others. Often that makeup is needed, and porn models do seem to wear very quickly. HD spec may turn out to be a double edged sword for the porn industry.

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Alternatively on the start menu look above "Documents" where there will be files under your user name. They are arranged slightly different to files under "Documents." For instance files downloaded using Any Video Converter are not listed in "Documents."

Another suggestion is to download Glary Utilities. At the bottom of the home display are some icons. At the centre (fifth from left) is a circle broken into three slices. Run the mouse over that and it says "Disk Space Analyzer." Run that and it breaks your disk space into files. Somewhere in there will be your files if they are on your computer.

01-16-14  07:01pm - 3776 days #10
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Originally Posted by graymane:


I won't go into my once negative approach concerning the subject of "anal"
solely in respect for those here whom I've grown, at least on my end, (pun clearly intended) quite close to as a fellow member, and among them whose fetish I've now come to have an enlightened and deepened respect. Having been a member here for my reach of time, I feel I've been taught, inadvertently, by the anal pros, and enough have rubbed off wherein I see things a lot clearly now.

But this reply actually has to do with accolades for Pat, Turboshaft and the squirrel's contribution to this thread.
Their comments on this matter is nothing less than extraordinary.
And the very best I can say on behalf of this subject is to echo their sentiments..... from which a deserving high-five is certainly in order.
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Thanks for the feedback, and always interesting comments, at least you realise it is just a matter of taste and preference. There's no good porn or bad porn, it's merely what you prefer. Personally I hate the usual sort of (what I would consider) abuse involving verbals, hair pulling, spitting, slapping, and all that but that doesn't make my taste any better or worse, it's just age. I think older fans were brought up with softer stuff so slightly prefer that, to some of the abuse you see nowadays. It's not better porn though, it's just taste. For some, abusive porn is good porn, for others abusive porn is anything that they don't like personally.

I suppose hair pulling and slapping may not be considered abusive by some people, and hardcore may be considered abusive by some, although words like "whore" and "bitch" probably are abusive, although perhaps it depends on your point of view. Basically porn is whatever you get off on. Edited on Jan 16, 2014, 07:14pm

01-16-14  06:51pm - 3776 days #2
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Hmm I did wonder why you left. Quite a few have left recently then returned, for varying reasons. I shall be first to say welcome back.

01-14-14  06:31pm - 3778 days #2
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Looks like I'm your shadow at the moment because I agree with you again. For me some of the best anal photos were from Anal Teen Angels 1-3 years ago. TeenCoreClub also did great vids and pics. These two may be closest to what you are describing, although I liked First Anal Quest too.

On my Anal Teen Angels review I said "the look on the girls' faces. Hard to explain, but for me it's the perfect balance of innocence, professionalism, and eroticism," and "the photographer captures a complete look of innocence, and enjoyment, while at the same time mass producing professional material, from a professional model who is having anal sex. The model looks innocent and enjoying it enough for it not to look as though she is being exploited." That sounds pretty much like what you're describing. TeenCoreClub is harder and I hate their contempt for customers but they did do great stuff too.

01-12-14  06:05am - 3781 days #11
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Exclusive material for PU/TBP - not better but a few alternatives for those who join sites through PU/TBP. Extra pics, an extra exclusive 5 minute clip. Nothing extreme just something to encourage using and joining through your site.

01-11-14  06:15pm - 3781 days #9
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If you sign up to a site through TBP/PU give some sort of tokens for that.

01-11-14  06:03pm - 3781 days #7
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Design a system where those contributing get access to free streaming and free pics but only a selection, with maybe one high quality download a month just so people can see what high quality means and to stimulate demand. Top contributors should receive a limited amount of free stuff, maybe a tokens system. The more the contributions the more free porn, but only a very limited amount of high quality pics and videos, just enough to encourage memberships.

For example members can access a page with 100 low quality pics with ability to click on and download maybe 12 or so high quality from a set. Perhaps give tokens for 50 pics a month from any selection.

Probably none of this may be feasible, but it's just my idea. If I were a website owner (frankly I can do other things with ￿100k, but if I were) I would allow streaming but not high quality downloads. I would only allow that for long term customers.

Since there's a lot of free low quality porn around, having a place that's free but relatively safe should give you an edge. Also make sure you go into partnership with reputable companies, none of those crooked assholes who have pre checked cross sales and other dodgy practices. Partnerships with tricksters will only do you harm in the long term.

Alternatively you could offer very high quality beginnings to videos and sets, with lower quality for the rest. Keep most of it the same quality as the tube sites. Edited on Jan 11, 2014, 06:08pm

01-10-14  09:35am - 3783 days #25
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I like the game analogy, especially as I used to like computer strategy war games. It took me a while to get into the idiosyncrasies and buttons of a new game, especially after playing a favourite, but after a while I usually got into the new one. It was just a case of not being lazy, and making myself learn how they worked, in order to get the best out of them.

01-08-14  05:22pm - 3784 days #4
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Personally I think it looks good. I may not remember correctly from a few years back, but I thought I heard a friend who started a website remark that dark backgrounds aren't popular. I like it.

01-03-14  08:06pm - 3789 days #9
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:



Thanks, and always glad to have a new (not to mention civil) member.


Seconded. This is a very good thread, especially coming from a new member. Welcome.

Personally I would rather pay for fewer updates (there are fewer nowadays everywhere), and have quality over quantity. If the site is a good one I will pay over $30. Teen Core Club is expensive for instance. I don't think we're paying enough for porn at the moment.

What may happen is there will be free porn and expensive porn. Free porn will be used to sell advertising, while expensive porn will be quality.

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I second the above. Happy New Year everyone.

12-30-13  07:05pm - 3793 days #3
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Yes I got this offer too. I didn't know what "Hardcore Super Porn" was, and didn't take up their offer. Another mail offered free membership to Longbucks sites. Sometimes if you try to investigate further you can end up automatically signed up to something you don't want, so I didn't look any further to see if it was genuine.

12-25-13  01:32pm - 3798 days #5
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Merry Xmas to all the regulars.

12-20-13  07:11pm - 3803 days #2
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He went bankrupt some time ago, and appeared to live a rather miserable life. I can remember him taking part in, I think, an early Buttman movie. He was loud and opinionated, but came over as rather sad to me.

I suppose hardcore becoming the norm was part of the problem. Strange that someone who made such inroads into censorship, (obviously for his own pocket, but it was good for all of us) and made so much money out of a highly lucrative business, didn't end up wealthy himself (or happy for that matter).

Yep R.I.P. mainly because he helped deliver porn to a mass audience, and struck me as someone who didn't take or believe in a lot of bullshit.

12-15-13  05:00pm - 3808 days #58
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Originally Posted by BubbaGump:


I also prefer realism. Too much slick photography out there of the cookie-cutter variety. But everyone's taste is different.

The bottom line here is that people look at porn to get aroused. I think the producers of pornography forget this simple fact and are too concerned with volume. The erotic element gets lost in the in-your-face stuff. You end up with tons of photos and videos that look the same, feel the same, and are pretty uninspiring.

For me, 90% of the stuff out there is repetitive junk. I have subscribed to one site this year. I am not a heavy viewer of erotic stuff but I do enjoy it at times. I just don't like a lot of it because it is so extreme now. Hitting, spitting, all this junk. How can you get aroused by that? I don't get it but am nobody to tell anyone what is erotic.

Also, my pet peeve is when a photographer has a beautiful model to work with and decides to do closeups of body parts. I know what a vagina looks like. I don't need to see it magnified a hundred times in fifty different photos. And I don't need to see repetitive close-ups of some guys hairy ass in a hardcore erotic scene featuring a beautiful model.

I would just say be original, be yourself, and keep it real. Don't try to emulate something else. Offer something unique. Someone will like it and perhaps generate a new niche of fans.

To put it bluntly, I would rather subscribe to a site with very small volume that gave me a raging boner rather than a site with a zillion photos and videos that are repetitive, airbrushed nonsense.
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I agree with just about all of this. In answer to the spitting and abuse, it may well be linked to some of the abusive comments made by porn fans on some of the sites. Unfortunately I think it maybe about abuse and hatred of women, and dissatisfaction with their own lives. Simply put, some men get off on abuse of women.

Possibly that's an extreme reaction from me. You could say all porn is about abuse of women, so maybe it's me being judgemental. All I know is I hate those things, and I hate gynaecological closeups too. Give me as much of the female as possible, the whole thing.

We have to face the truth, most of us here are not average porn lovers. Not that I could tell you what the average porn lover is, all I know is we're not it, so maybe webmasters shouldn't be listening to us, or maybe they should be listening to us, and then doing the opposite.

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Thanks for that one - excellent read. Personally I back nearly everything up twice. I probably have enough music and porn to last me for the rest of my life even if I do nothing but watch and listen non stop.

12-12-13  04:39pm - 3811 days #10
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I looked at the first set of questions to see what they were like but never intended answering any of them. There is far too often an agenda, and privacy can never be guaranteed. Maybe watching porn makes you paranoid.

12-04-13  03:46pm - 3819 days #28
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Never mind jberry, keep up the good work on an excellent and entertaining thread.

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Originally Posted by jberryl69:





Exactly. I was going to agree to something similar you said a few weeks ago, but thought even agreeing with you is a way of acknowledging, so I didn't bother. It's not like Trolls are evil, but they can be a nuisance and disrupt a forum. It's sad they have nothing else to do, so being a Troll has to be one of the saddest hobbies around.

Sorry to hear about the problems Graymane, it's awful what age will do to you, but despite those health problems, you're always one of the most entertaining and respected members here.

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Not really surprising given the increase in traffic, and governments will be happy for ISP's to discriminate against websites who have porn, politically incorrect, politically critical, or whistle blowing material. What surprises me is they have been unable to discriminate until now. It's one more inevitable step towards control of the internet.

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