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What do you think is the most common reason for a site to quit and go offline?

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Submitted by Drooler (220)
Can't book enough models 7% 3 Votes
Loss of subscribers 73% 32 Votes
Internal strife 7% 3 Votes
Data loss (crash, fire, etc.) 0% 0 Votes
U.S.C. 2257 violation(s) 9% 4 Votes
Other (please explain) 5% 2 Votes

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44 Votes Total

Sep 24, 2007

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Monahan (42) Websites exist to make money. That means they need need enough subscribers to cover costs and make a good profit.

A site that runs short of models can still do well with good marketing if it has a decent level of content. A stagnant site will lose subscribers, but it also saves a bunch on content costs.

09-24-07  01:00am

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Denner (235) Users in general are getting more confident and do not want to pay for crap (also thanks to sites like TBP and of course PU).
So let this fine poll be a warning to those owners and webmasters who just go after the money and give a damm about quality and customers/consumers...

09-24-07  07:14am

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bbiillyy (34) 2257 as no one in USA run adult site until and unless using license content
09-24-07  01:15pm

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Drooler (220) About 2257, the "Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act," there was originally a distinction made between primary producers, such as those hiring adult hardcore video performers, and secondary producers, such as websites that would display the same content but not have been involved in original production. The former have to keep good records to validate the age of each performer or model. However, the US Dept of Justice might have some leeway in interpreting the law and it's not clear to me whether secondary producers could wind up being subject to it as well.

One thing that seems to come out is why there's so much non-exclusive material out there. There's much less production cost, of course, and I suppose there's less potential for trouble with law enforcement. It's relatively easy money -- which we just LOVE paying, right?

Still, I regret not having written the item more generally as "porn law issues," as that would have been inclusive of laws in various countries and would not have necessarily meant an actual violation. It's just that I see "U.S.C. 2257" even on non-US sites, so I went (blindly, in hindsight now) with that.

09-24-07  02:36pm

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Boobs4ever (22) I think its they dont care really and start new sites instead of continoue whit some old
09-24-07  03:00pm

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Drooler (220) I think a somewhat related issue is sites that "go zombie," my term for those that continue to hang around on the web and take subscriptions but no longer update. Just three examples are www.aaascan.com, czech-babes.com, and www.thenextgirl.com.

I haven't been able to come up with any kind of interesting poll about this type of site. Ideas, anyone?

09-24-07  03:00pm

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REPLY TO #3 - bbiillyy :

Just as an FYI ...

To my knowledge (and I'm fairly knowledgeable on this subject, as are many adult webmasters) there has been only ONE actual conviction for 2257 violations and that was a tag-on charge in a plea-bargain. 2257 was never meant to do anything other than harass adult site owners.

Where it has come into play (mainly a few years ago) was a lot of sites closed down or dropped all their old content because of paranoia surrounding the 2257 related laws.

09-24-07  03:18pm

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REPLY TO #4 - Drooler :

Don't take this wrong but ...

Without getting into a protracted discussion (which would serve no purpose here) I'll just say that your speculation regarding production costs of creating content and the risks involved are inaccurate in the most part. While it could be argued that reselling content indeed keeps makes the cost per photo less, the speculation that creating content is "easy money" in any measure shows a certain lack of understanding of the subject.

Not a bad thing as it's not really a subject a consumer would need to be knowledgeable of.

09-24-07  03:24pm

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DivBZero (13) Having thought about this, I believe that sites fail because the people who run the site fail, just like all other business.

They can fail for technical reasons (they get hacked and bandwidth bills are high)

But more likely they fail because they get tired and produce overly similar content that doesn't connect with their customers.

Good leadership and customer care count.

09-24-07  04:24pm

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Drooler (220) REPLY TO #8 - Khan :

I didn't say that "creating content" means easy money. I said that using content that has already been created (so-called "non-exclusive" content) is relatively easy money. I wouldn't agree that it's just "easy." Sites take effort to set up, pay overhead for, and maintain.
09-24-07  05:47pm

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Drooler (220) REPLY TO #7 - Khan :

Thanks. That was interesting. I was wondering about that. One site I saw go down, and they said it was because of 2257, was Pleasure-Archives.
09-24-07  05:51pm

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PinkPanther (46) How often have people seen active sites go down? In the world of solo models, it is fairly common for models to move on from one site to another, usually a matter of getting involved in the production of the material, sometimes models get fired - as when Phil-Flash fired Next Door Nikki, Seanna Teen and Princess Blueyez in the space of 2 weeks. But the sites tend to stay around in one form or another for a long time - there are numerous sites around for models such as Sandy Summers/Waldron, Jannah Burnham and Jana Foxy/Jordan as they have moved on in their careers.
09-24-07  09:23pm

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Fulltilt (1) Moe-Money-Moe-Money-Moe-Money
09-25-07  10:36pm

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cblodg (9) Its the economic cycle. People have to want to buy your product. As long as they keep buying, a site will do well. If a site loses members than clearly it cannot continue to operate.
09-27-07  09:19am

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Pinche Kankun (Disabled) If you ask me, I'd say all of the above!!!
09-27-07  11:16pm

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nygiants03 (162) Mostly lost of subscribers, but could easily be any of the other choices. Theres no point for a site to continue if they don't pull in subscribers, otherwise its a waste of time. However usually the site gets enough subscribers because online porn pulls in an excess of a billion dollars a year(i read).
10-01-07  01:09pm

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Drooler (220) There's another kind of "mystery site": the kind that just gets started and then stalls.

Two that I know of are www.juliesilverxxx.com and www.sagestyle.net.

The Julie Silver site used to have a few pages to give an idea of what was to come; that was back '06. Now it's parked at godaddy, where it continues to languish. Too bad. I'm a big fan of Julie's.

Sage Style, you might know, is a photographer whose work has shown up at Danni's site and I think Penthouse, among others, I believe. But the SageStyle site itself has been sitting around, holding its domain name, at least since the summer of '05. Heard about it from Mindy Vega's site. It used have preview galleries, and it looked pretty good, but it has never launched as a pay site. I wonder what's going there?

10-03-07  01:05pm

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