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messmer (137) 11-02-11  11:34am
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One thing that bugs me ...

... is the short pre-action interview with the model in the beginning of many of the videos. I understand the reasoning behind it, it is meant to re-assure tender souls (and the law?) that the submission is not only willing but actually anticipated but to see a model gush how much she looks forward to the "abuse" makes the whole rough "play" unbelievable right from the start. The post-action interview is fine. This habit of a pre-action talk with the model is common to many Kink.com sites and I, for one wish they would do away with it. I know it's all game playing but why make it so obvious?

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RustyJ (145) I understood that early on the whole sex in bondage was some kind of risky business in US and they needed those but yeah, I guess a disclaimer screen would be enough. Who wants to waste HD space on long interviews in high definition video?
11-03-11  04:47am

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rearadmiral (382) I agree with you. Most times I skip those. My guess is that the reason for these interviews is 75% law and 25% because Kink does try to be a better network than most. They seem really woman-friendly and want to promote that. I know the average woman would think I was insane for saying that, but it really is woman-friendly. These site are all about showing women with certain fetishes getting off on those fetishes. I do like some of the post-scene interviews where the model sits there and talks about what she liked about the scene. That could suffice for compliance I suspect.

Other BDSM sites don't use the interview as much, if at all. Society SM comes to mind.

11-03-11  07:38am

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pat362 (373) The logic of having the model do a pre-interview is amazing because no one can claim that she was forced to do something that she didn't know prior to the shoot. We all know that Kink has a huge list of questions that all the models must fill out and sign prior to the shoot but someone can always claim that she hadn't filled out that questionaire but it's hard to say that about a video.

It sometimes interesting to hear what a performer says prior to the shoot and what she says afterwards. The type of porn that Kink does is rather different than what most performers are used to so not every performer knows all that they'll experience during the shoot.
Kink loves to push a performers boundaries and I think nothing makes them happier than to get a performer to orgasm as much as she can.

11-03-11  09:57am

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #1 - RustyJ :

A disclaimer screen would be fine but I think that the voluntary nature of the scene is being confirmed by the interview at the end so even that isn't really necessary.
11-03-11  10:01am

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #2 - rearadmiral :

I agree that Kink.com is women friendly and that everything is based on mutual co-operation and satisfaction. I subscribed to "Facial Abuse" at one time and couldn't watch most of the videos because they were too misogynistic.

There are people who love a certain roughness to their sex and here, at Kink, they are able to act out their dominant or submissive fantasies. If I ever thought that anything was done against a model's will I would stop subscribing to any Kink's site. I like the post-scene interviews as well because I can see the enthusiasm on the model's face (and it doesn't appear to be forced to me) and this confirms that I can watch the BDSM play with a clear conscience.

11-03-11  10:10am

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #3 - pat362 :

You are right, Pat, there's not much logic or sense to that pre-scene talk. The talk with the model afterward is appropriate and helpful
and enough. I watched one scene yesterday called "The Shoplifter" where they first had the talk, then led the model giggling into the "store" where she confessed this should be interesting because she had never shoplifted before. Then she gets the question are you ready and suddenly you are into the scene with her trying out clothes with the show owner watching suspiciously. Who can take a scene like that seriously? Start with the store and shoplifting without a comment and then have the director/producer and model talk about the experience after the shoot is over.

11-03-11  10:17am

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pat362 (373) REPLY TO #6 - messmer :

I agree that it would have been better to make a cut between the interview and the actual scene. I wonder why they didn't do that.
They normally do that for their other shoots. Maybe because it was Amy Brooke and she's already shot so many videos for them that it's hard for the viewers to believe any scenario reagrdless.

11-03-11  10:26am

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PinkPanther (46) Let me ask one question - Do you want these sites to stay open?

If so, just accept it. Even in "harder" BDSM-themed comics, like those produced by Fansadox, they have disclaimers at the beginning these days.

11-06-11  12:14pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #8 - PinkPanther :

Of course I want these sites to stay open, PP. They are classy and high quality. I just think a disclaimer at the end only would make the scene more believable.

Same as I've come across some "father-daughter" videos on VB where both models made it very clear right from the start: "I am in no way related to my co-star and this is a play only!" Duh, I would have never guessed, seeing that incest is illegal!

Same as I know that brutalizing a woman or tying her up is illegal in real life and it would disturb me severely if I came "real" material like that. I love women and don't have a misogynistic bone in my body. But the moment any video is in your face like that from the beginning the fantasy is adversely affected. I'll stick to that.

And I have the feeling that as long as that chat with the model(s) at the end is there the requirements of the law would be fulfilled.

11-06-11  01:58pm

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