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ace of aces (179) 03-24-10  11:30am
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warning, there is a hidden x sale to the site argentinatriplex.com
"one day trial to a subscription renewing every 1 month(s)
Geschäftsbedingungen: Heute wird folgender Betrag belastet: €1.51 für einen Versuchszeitraum von 1 Tag(e).
Die Mitgliedschaft erneuert sich automatisch zu €23.28 jeden 1 monat, bis storniert wird. "


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TheSquirrel (53) What happened ace? There were adverts at the bottom of the members' page. I was a bit worried about those, so didn't click them. Did they sign you up the moment you clicked them? I hope it didn't cost you money. Maybe I should go back and highlight this in my review, and take some marks off for dishonest cross selling. It is difficult to sometimes distinguish between genuine bonus sites which come for free, and those where you accidentally sign up without realising it. It's disgusting behaviour and imo dishonest, because it is deliberate trickery.
03-24-10  12:19pm

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TheSquirrel (53) Think Argentina X was at the side of the page from what I can remember. Could never work out what would happen if I clicked it, so didn't. It seems it is deliberate policy to make the borders between what your memebrship buys and what it doesn't, unclear.
03-24-10  12:35pm

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ace of aces (179) REPLY TO #2 - TheSquirrel :

recieved a funny email from argentina x after i send them an email.

sorry to hear that, we dont use hidden xsales/pre-checked xsales as most paysites..
you have to manually activate the checkbox..
hope you can enjoy our content anyhow.

lol do they want to fool me?

03-24-10  12:38pm

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TheSquirrel (53) REPLY TO #3 - ace of aces :

Did they deduct any money from your credit card without you knowing? Did clicking on the link mean you were automatically signed up? Maybe the email from them should read "gotcha, we have your money there's nothing you can do about it." That would at least be more honest. If clicking the link from Torbe Network automatically signed you up, that is really bad, and I should add that to my review and deduct 5 points, if PU will allow that.
03-24-10  04:03pm

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anyonebutme (14) Just confirming here -

I went to their join page, and the cross-sale for that other site was visible and unchecked. The site took me to epoch for subscribing, and I've never before heard of epoch ever using hidden cross sales.

03-25-10  02:33am

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Denner (235) A bummer, ace - the Torbe-sites/network has been on my own 'black list' for some time - for the same reason - when TRYING to join once or twice..

If you joined through Epoch - man, send them a mail.
Last time I did that under almost the same circomstances, they gave me a refund..

Again, it could be an idea for TBP to look into this...

03-25-10  07:04am

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PU Staff
REPLY TO #6 - Denner :

Would love to get more clarification as to what happened. Like justme, I also checked the join page and saw an unchecked xsale on the join page with the header "Special Offer". Seemed very legit at least from that standpoint. Look forward to getting more info.
03-25-10  08:34am

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Denner (235) REPLY TO #7 - Rick :

Pretty weird - when last a member (ok, a year or more ago) I had the same deal as ace - do not think it was Epoch then, though. Not sure.
But the deal with the pre-crossed thing was there - that I remember clearly...
AND you also got a lot of other 'traps' - WHEN inside - which was primarily a try to get you to join other pages at the site/network - BUT: ok, my input/mistrust MAY not be entirely up-to-date.

Still: I had my reasons to 'blacklist'/get fed up with this site at that time.

03-25-10  09:17am

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JustThy (7)
REPLY TO #8 - Denner :

wow hold on guys.. whats going on here?
we dont have and never did PRE-checked xsales, and we have always used epoch as our primary biller... and the other billers in the cascade have no xsales whatsoever...
if any of you got signed up automatically to the other site then you are saying epoch is cheating everyone here... even myself..
but i really find it very strange that EPOCH would do that..

may be you just clicked the box by mistake? anyways im sure you can ask epoch for a refund and they will give you the money back...

and about our members area, i dont get it, its 100% clean, you can ask anyone from TBP, we have a few upsells and thats it... but you have to manually signup to any of those upsells... there are no automatic joins or anything... either you are confusing us with some other site or just trying to make us look bad...

CEO torbenetwork.com

03-25-10  10:45am

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TheSquirrel (53) REPLY TO #9 - JustThy :

I don't think anyone is trying to make you look bad. The members posting here are long term ones and relaible. I felt really bad that my review should have led to a member being signed up for something without his knowledge. Those ads in the members area are a little annoying and you just don't know what clicking them will lead to. That's why I didn't click them. Sometimes it can be a little unclear which are the bonus sites and which are the extra sign up sites. This is a drawback of having ads in a members' area.

For the record I originally felt good about doing a review because I considered the network brings something different to porn. It's a network that has material I like. I listed the pros and cons in my review. If it leads to people joining I would be quite happy, because imo it is an underrated unheralded site, that has had little publicity. But the negatives are still present. It could be so much better. I would feel awful if someone joined because of my review and it led to them being trapped in a membership they didn't intend to sign up for.

03-25-10  11:34am

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JustThy (7)
REPLY TO #10 - TheSquirrel :

i read your review few days ago when you posted it.. and i have nothing bad to say about it.. actually its apreciated..

about long term members - they can still make mistakes, and i assure you this is the case, theres no way he would be signed up automatically... epoch does not allow hidden xsales and i have never used pre-checked xsales..

about the ADs on the members area.. i think its quite usual.. they are called upsells.. but not sure why you were afraid to click on them? did you ever get cheated by other site?

they are banners just like the ones you see anywhere else.. you buy if you want no-one is playing tricks or forcing the users to do anything...

sorry if i sound pissed but there are tons of sites out there doing hidden xsales, double pre-checked xsales, singles prechecked xsales while all we do is offer one single trial through un-checked xsale...

would be way easier to just cheat ppl to take their money.. but we dont do that.. so yes i get mad if we are accused to do so when we are not...

03-25-10  11:55am

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TheSquirrel (53) REPLY TO #11 - JustThy :

No I never got cheated by another site. This is mainly because of the warnings I have read on here about being signed up automatically any time an unknown link is clicked. It makes me very wary. I suppose being a totally untrusting paranoid conspiracy theorist does have its advantages. I was just too afraid I'd be automatically signed up if I hit one. Think I pressed one of those links by mistake on your site and managed to exit before the page had come up. Spent the next few days checking my card to see if I had been deducted for some unknown reason.

Once again for the record, I like the site and I am pleased you didn't hate the review too much. I would recommend the material to anyone who is looking for something a bit different to the usual cookie cutter porn look. Even 18-19 year olds look professional on a lot of sites, but most of the girls on Torbe do not have that professional look, while at the same time are mostly pretty and natural.

A final for the record - I do tend to believe what you say.

03-25-10  04:21pm

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ace of aces (179) REPLY TO #6 - Denner :

if i would have known earlier ^^
i will send epoch an email, even if i still don`t know how they get me billed because i didn`t recognize a sale box anywhere...strange..

03-31-10  03:48am

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ace of aces (179) REPLY TO #5 - anyonebutme :

i didn`t check a box..i never do so..maybe it depends on which link (nationwide link) you come to the join paige. would be nothing suprising if they do different nation policies.
03-31-10  03:49am

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ace of aces (179) REPLY TO #9 - JustThy :

defenetly no mistake. i don`t set crosses at empty boxes at general.(never had that and done that in 10 years of porn surfing!)
i do only subscribe sites mainly.

therfore i am not amused!

03-31-10  03:51am

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ace of aces (179) REPLY TO #11 - JustThy :

..and one more word on the way...if firms do use not allowed issuses, it is fraud. i don´t say that you do like this, but from my experience it looks like i have been betrayed -.-
03-31-10  03:54am

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JustThy (7)
REPLY TO #16 - ace of aces :

i just want to say that its really unlikely something like this could happen... i mean it only happened to you and never before.. and i cant imagine how the join page from epoch could be modified..

anyways saying you were betrayed is kinda too much...

04-07-10  08:07am

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ace of aces (179) REPLY TO #4 - TheSquirrel :

it`S only a trial price but it`s money what will be withdrawn from my credit card. but i think i will contact the epoch support because there are some more strange things going on there (read my next comment)

no click on a salebox - just taking my money- if it would be more then a trial price, then i would have done more against it, because imo that is close to fraud.

04-07-10  08:19am

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TheSquirrel (53) REPLY TO #18 - ace of aces :

I'm really sorry this happened to you Ace. I hope somehow it can all be sorted out, enough so that you can get your money back and also that it doesn't happen to anyone else.
04-07-10  09:24am

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ace of aces (179) REPLY TO #19 - TheSquirrel :

thanks for youre reply. if you want to have something to lough about you can read my new comment...somwething is going wrong here :)
04-08-10  06:45am

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