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messmer (137) 02-21-10  07:25pm
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Why is it .... !

... that a day after a rave comment or review of mine I very quickly find the proverbial fly in the ointment. This is not the first time this has happened. Who knows, maybe I'm too impulsive or I get too excited about finding something that grabs my attention like the "live" part of NA.

Okay, here's today's fly: Don't ever make a negative comment about a model's fake breasts on NA. There was this sweet young, gorgeous blonde who could have been an instant favorite of mine, yet as I watched a scene with her bending over a desk being taken from behind I noticed the unsavory spectacle of her breasts wrinkling everytime they shook!

No it wasn't from age, remember I said she was young, it was from that xf#@554*&^% breast enhancing little plastic bag under her skin.

My much more reasoned, as compared to here, criticism of that fact and expression of bewilderment about why anyone would do that to themselves survived for approx. 5 minutes until it was quietly removed by a moderator.

Now, I can hear it already, why not filter out all fake breasts. I forgot, okay? This model was so gorgeous I forgot to check out her technical details. :-)

But my beef is not so much in connection with the silliness of young women with low self esteem, my quarrel is with the stifling of positive criticism by NA.

When it came to the next similar scene they could have edited out the "wrinkling of boobs" part, they could have shot it from a different angle sparing us the unappetizing sight of a silicone bag so obviously rippling under the skin. They could have even let my comment stand with a reply like:

Many of our subscribers like fake boobs or we wouldn't have umpteen thousand scenes containing them in our archives.

Anything! Instead, they quietly put my mild criticism in the trash instead.

Listen, let fake boob lovers have their day. If they want 'em real big let them have 'em real big, but please weed out the material that makes the models as well as their admirers look like laughing stocks.

The whole thing means that another site that had the potential of becoming a long-term favorite of mine will be biting the dust after only one month. It's a shame. A real shame because I wanted to love this site. Everything spells "well done" in connection with NA except for that accursed preoccupation with phony big boobs and the suppression of critical comments.

In any case, no more comments from me. I'm done with commenting and reviewing for a while and will stick with the Forum.

No more PU points for reviews etc., sob, because I no longer trust MYSELF after my previous comment below this one and have become wary of leading people, who have become long distance friends, astray through glowing, impulsive remarks that prove to be inaccurate once one looks more closely.

P.S. I wasn`t going to make any more comments but I will have to add this: Someone at NA must read our comments because my critical remarks at their site have been quietly put back in.

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hodayathink (18) That happens sometimes. Really, comments on scenes going missing and coming back isn't a new thing. And it happens with good and bad ones (I only make positive comments, and I've had it happen to me). If there's one definite fly in the ointment there, it's the tech issues that have been popping up over the last few months. None of them are deal-breaking, per se, but you do notice them, and they can get to be annoying.
02-22-10  10:28am

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #1 - hodayathink :

I wish I had known that, hodayathink, before I wrote my outraged comment! :-)
02-22-10  11:02am

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PinkPanther (46) Whether or not there are NA staff here, there are people in this forum that are VERY active NA members - at many/most of the live shows, active in the forum, etc. I've had people make comments to me - helpful ones - in NA live shows based on comments that I have made in this forum.

So it may be a case of a comment "dropping off" that forum and reappearing, or it may be a case of a helpful NA/PU member e-mailing an NA mod and saying, "you know, it might be a cooler thing to do to just let that comment stay".

I dunno, but it's a possibility.

NA's a site that deserves the positivity, in my opinion. They are trying to have a very good site, they are very good to their members in many ways, such as hiring active members' faves to do live shows on their birthday.

But sites that are cool sites are going to stumble too - just like people who are cool are likely to fuck up once in a while. That's just human beings, you know?

02-22-10  05:47pm

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pat362 (367) I would hope that a site would keep both the positive and negative comments on their forum but maybe the negatives one should have an even bigger meaning. Afterall a site usually knows what they are doin g right but may not always know where they could use some improvements. If a comment is insighfull and inteligent then the fact thatit's negative or positive should have no bearing on whether it gets removed or kept.
02-22-10  06:20pm

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hodayathink (18) http://tour.naughtyamerica.com/scenes/ra...;nats=MTI1NDIzOjQ6OA,0,0,0,0

I have no clue if that is the scene you commented on, but that should answer anyone's questions as to whether they consistently censor negative comments/reviews.

02-23-10  02:49am

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #5 - hodayathink :

I don't think that's the same model, but it is refreshing to see that negative comments are indeed allowed to stand. Good for NA. I believe my model's name was Madison and it was an office scene.
02-23-10  08:37am

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #3 - PinkPanther :

I said a lot of positive things about NA, Pink Panther, because they richly deserve it. Technically they are excellent and I like the idea of live shows and most of the interviews with Lauren so I'm not sorry to be a member especially since the censorship issue turned out to be a technical glitch, but I am once again (this is my second subscription .. blame my short memory) disgusted with the prevalence of fake breasts and the fact that the models and Lauren (in the live show) seem to look at it as a positive thing when a model excitedly reveals that she just got new breasts.

Lauren practically gushes: Wow, they are beautiful! To me that's encouraging a very bad practice. One model actually stated that she got her boob job because she wanted to do titty fuck scenes and with smaller breasts she couldn't.

Leave breasts the way they are there's room for all kinds of diversity. To me, all of them are beautiful, large, small, medium, jutting or sagging! As long as they are natural. :-)

02-23-10  08:53am

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #4 - pat362 :

Well, the issue did resolve itself, Pat, and to its credit NA is big enough to allow negative comments to stand. Now I only wish that some of the new models would read those comments and decide to go with nature rather than bolt-ons.
02-23-10  08:57am

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pat362 (367) REPLY TO #8 - messmer :

I could understand them wanting to edit if it was a tirade that all their models are ugly and stupid but since that's not what it was.
Good for NA to have gone back on what was a bad business decision.

I'm with you. Let's hope more models chose to do like Jenna Haze.
If that girl can be super popular after many years and still have her original equipment then there is no excuse for saying that you need them to get jobs.

02-23-10  06:15pm

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hodayathink (18) REPLY TO #9 - pat362 :

They're not going back on anything. It was a bug. They've always allowed negative comments, and unless they are abnormally mean, they pretty much always stay up.

And I completely disagree with your second statement, but that's neither here nor there, and a topic better left to another thread.

02-23-10  07:32pm

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PinkPanther (46) REPLY TO #7 - messmer :

Lauren says what Lauren thinks. To expect Lauren to say what you want her to say, well that's not very fair. If you want to do Live With Messner, you should say what you think about fake boobs.

Lauren's also interviewing porn babes and I think she wants to pump them up - when she's not showing off how much smarter she is than they are - lol - she likes to kind of torture them a bit that way.

Does NA promote the whole big-boobed thing? Yeah, they do. Could they go against the grain and say "We're sick of fake boobs and we're not having porn babes with fake boobs on our site?" I suppose, but I doubt that they would be as commercially successful a site.

I've heard Lauren express pro-natural-boob sentiments when she's reviewing scenes, but she's probably as conflicted as I am - I like natural boobs - but confronted with a babe who looks smoking hot with enhanced ones, I'm gonna tell her that she looks fantastic and I'll definitely want my hands and mouth on them. I love Lauren's delight when she gets to get her hands on nice boobs - like a little girl that just got a ride on a pony.

02-23-10  09:11pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #11 - PinkPanther :

Aw, don't mind me, Pink Panther. I just have such a visceral reaction every time I see fake boobs that I start spouting off. I, for one, could never kiss anything with an implanted bag underneath the skin unless it was reconstructive surgery after breast cancer.

The models look so artificial, so like Barbies, that I honestly, truly, don't understand why there are so many boys drooling over their breasts. And I had forgotten that Naughty America does cater to that market, just like Brazzers, or I would never have subscribed just to see the live shows. I found them fascinating until I noticed that every model I watched so far (with the exception of one) had implants. No, I don't expect anyone to change that's why I'll keep this subscription down to one month instead of continuing it as I had first planned. In any case, to each his own.

02-24-10  08:56am

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pat362 (367) REPLY TO #10 - hodayathink :

Thanks for the info.

On my second statement. Do you mean that you think girls getting breast implants and plastic surgery is a good idea?

02-24-10  05:58pm

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hodayathink (18) REPLY TO #13 - pat362 :

I don't think it's an inherently bad idea. I think some girls can make it work, and some can't. I think some go overboard, and some don't. I take it all on a case-by-case basis. Some of my favorite girls have boob jobs (Eva Angelina), some don't (Tori Black). And I think that nowadays, the decision by some girls to get implants is as much a business decision as it is an aesthetic one. Because, from most of the things I've noticed, girls with big boobs (whether real or fake) get more shoots than girls with small ones, especially when it comes to porn made in California (Valley Porn, as it's called). And with companies shooting less because of the economy, you have to do what you can to get shoots.
02-24-10  07:19pm

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hodayathink (18) REPLY TO #12 - messmer :

To me, the main difference between the two companies is that one company (Brazzers) seems to only shoot models with large (and usually fake) breasts to the point of excluding popular models with real breasts. The other company (Naughty America) doesn't care about the breast size of the model, and just shoots who they think fits the theme/who the members want. And, from having been around for a long time, I can tell you that generally, the models with fake breasts tend to get requested more than the models with real breasts. I feel like they still make a concerted effort to bring natural women around (usually at least one per day on the Live shows, and at least 3-4 scenes per week). Could the ratio be better? Honestly, I do think so. But, judging by the general reaction on their forums, this seems to be what the members want. And I'm not gonna begrudge them for giving the members what they want.
02-24-10  07:45pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #15 - hodayathink :

Hi again, hodoyathink, neither do I begrudge it to the members. If that is what they want that is what they should get and NA by catering to their taste will stay successful. I just will never understand how come members prefer the obviously artificial to the real! But that's really none of my business. I just vent at times!
02-24-10  08:00pm

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PinkPanther (46) REPLY TO #12 - messmer :

In the "Why I absolutely LOOOOVE Lauren at NA" category - I've got quite a crush on her - check out the archives of her interview with Sunny Leone (if you can bear to look at Sunny's fake boobs) from 12/02/09 where Lauren goes on a huge fashion rant about how great Sunny's clothes are and how anybody that doesn't like the outfit is a stupid fucking ug-boot lover - ha ha - hilarious - just beautiful!
02-25-10  05:58pm

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pat362 (367) REPLY TO #14 - hodayathink :

I also don't think it's an inherantly bad idea. It's the fact that most of them choose to get large grapefruit sized implants to be the bad part. If implants truly equal more money than it's a question of how much danger do you want to take for that extra money. Getting breast implants may be common these days. It's still a serious medical procedure that requires a certain amount of recuperating even if everything goes great. You and I won't change the fact that girls will still get them. I just wish that those that do would choose a smaller implant.
02-25-10  07:55pm

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hodayathink (18) REPLY TO #18 - pat362 :

I think we can pretty much agree on that.
02-25-10  09:01pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #17 - PinkPanther :

I noticed the crush a few minutes ago, Pink Panther (02-26-2010, 12:45pm EST). It came through loud and clear. :-) Can't say that I blame you, Lauren has a winning personality. She has grown on me to such an extent that I might just re-subscribe when the time comes and look at the live shows only! :-)
02-26-10  10:08am

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PinkPanther (46) REPLY TO #20 - messmer :

She was hilarious today! That bit with the hula chair - so fucking funny! Seemed to have completely cured her too - before the "chair", she still looked a little under the weather - after the chair, she was totally scumptious!
02-26-10  01:50pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #21 - PinkPanther :

And it was refreshing to see her laugh so hard she could barely talk! :-)
02-26-10  01:59pm

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PinkPanther (46) REPLY TO #22 - messmer :

Yeah - NA is unique for the sheer goofy fun that they have - it's not about stunts for them, it's about "this will be a cool thing to do - we'll have fun", whether it's bacon lollipops or sharing dog biscuits with porn stars or buying a hula chair for everyone to ride.

That kind of relaxed atmosphere really helps the Live Shows, because you see some absolutely blisteringly hot show because of it - Cassidey was amazing when she was there, Madison Ivy was incredible, Kacey Jordan was wonderful the other day, etc

02-27-10  10:56am

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