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RagingBuddhist (65) 11-18-09  08:03am
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It's not just us

These are quotes from another forum I'm on, all from the last couple of weeks.

"the vids are boring - girls just talk and sit down and start masturbating."

"I have to agree with everything that's been said here. The girls aren't as cute as they used to be and the nudity in a lot of sets is minimal. And suggestions for improvement always fell on deaf ears. They won't be getting another membership from me."

"i was a longstanding member awhile back and wish it would return to its roots. "

"here is another example of why AW is getting so bad...they had a recent model rebekah, very cute (doesnt happen that much anymore) and no nudity until last 2 minutes and its not much... what is this sites problem????"

"They seem to have fallen into a rut and lost their creativity."

"they did it again...new vid with Cate a very cute girl (nice to see) and during her vid she just sits on her ass for the whole video...cant really see her really nice body...they really need to understand what people want in the vids (i guess they feel intellectual conversation is what guys want - they have no clue)... have the girl get up and do something interesting (its a video)"

So it's not just us, here on Pornusers, who see that this site is in a serious decline. Please, SueAnn (or whomever might respond to this), tell us what's really going on at AW!

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Denner (235) Good point/comment here, RB.
Never understood how AW can get a 95 at TBP.
Been a member quite some years ago and NEVER went back.
Those lines above are/seem very accurate - this could well be the most boring site of all in the Top-10 at TBP - Let's get a fresh TBP-review - soon...

11-18-09  08:38am

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abbywinters (29)
Hi RB,

As always, thanks for your feedback. It's cutting, clear and honest, which is always good... but it's not entirely fair.

We went through a phase in the middle of this year where our shooters neglected to get some of the most obvious best stuff - lotsa nudity - in favour of other stuff. There is a lag from when we shoot stuff, to when it appears on the site (So, the shoots that are appearing now, were shot in that "dark" period).

We have since fixed that problem, and luckily we're now nearing the end. All the shoots we have shot since are much better, and are already appearing on the site. Soon, we'll be entirely rid of the shoots that lack nudity (of course, then we'll get the equally-agressive feedback that the shoots have too much nudity, an can-we-tone-it-down-a-little-please).

Of course, most of your quotes there select out particular models who do not have much nudity (or more), but totally ignores the other models who have plenty. Our recent "dark period" definitely lowered our average some, but it's not like every single shoot has NO nudity!

Another thing to keep in mind is that not all models are up for the more revealing poses. We respect their choice in this. We try to maintain a mix of explicitness in the updates where ever possible, and historically have a very even balance.

As for model-attractiveness, that's always a a tricky one. We log how much positive and negative feedback we get on models we add to the site, to make sure we're not totally insane. We get consistant results (for example, Mary gets a +1 and a -1). The average is pretty much 0 or higher over any period of time (ie, models get as many positive comments as they do negative. Sometimes a model will get a more positive than negative, other times, a model will get more negative than positive, but mostly, it's 1-for-1, or more positive).

One of the things we do - what our whole site is based on - is to shoot models who are a little left-of-the-middle. We freely admit that not every model will be your personal cup of tea, but we also have a heck of a lot of models - 1000 or so, and at least two newbies each week.

Hope this clears some up, and please always keep the feedback coming - it never falls on deaf ears, and we respond to every email we receive.

11-19-09  03:38am

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abbywinters (29)
REPLY TO #1 - Denner :


We're due for a re-review around the fitst of Jan 2010. We're just about to release an entire new front (and back) end, which will HUGELY improve the site for users (the content stays the same, for better or worse!), so we're going to ask the folks at TBP to delay our review by a week or two, so their rteview will include our new design.

11-19-09  03:40am

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RagingBuddhist (65) REPLY TO #2 - abbywinters :

Thank you for the prompt response here. I'm glad you appreciate my feedback for it's honesty but, me being me, I guess I have to argue the point of it not being entirely fair.

Like the consumers of any product, what goes on behind the scenes isn't of much importance when it comes to what we're getting for our money. The lag between a shoot and it's publish date is something that is (or should be) invisible to your members. All we know is, we used to get x, and we've been getting "less than x" for months now. (That's an algebraic x, as in representing a variable, not an adult rating x, even though that does somewhat apply here.)

Too much nudity? On a porn site? While I'm well aware that tastes vary, I can't imagine you'd get too many people asking the models to keep their clothes on. I think it's great that your site never pushes the girls to go beyond their comfort zone, but, at the same time, Abby's isn't a non-nude site. It's also not one of those sites where people wait months for a model to "finally flash some titty". Again, that points to the final product. We're used to seeing naked bodies and, for quite a while, the nudity just hasn't been there. Before the AW forum got skewed by the people passionately defending the site against the slightest criticism, I used to browse the posts quite regularly - and I can't say I ever saw anyone complaining that the girls were "too naked". What I have seen, however, are posts on here and other forums, mirroring the same complaints. The most common and recurring complaint is what's been defended as being "the tease factor". Last year and beyond, I never saw anyone mentioning long video shoots with the nudity coming in the last few minutes or huge picture sets with the skin showing up in the last few pictures. Other than the one that mentions how attractive a model is, I don't think the quotes I sampled from the other forum misrepresent that thought at all. I included that quote only because it mentioned other issues that seem to be on the minds of members, and former members, of the site.

I will agree with you that model attractiveness is subjective and that it's impossible to please everyone. In that regard, I would ignore the complaints and stay the course as that's a battle you'd never win anyway. Personally, being the amateur fanatic I am, I've never had a problem with how they look - except when they're clothed and talking for too long.

So... if you say the drought is almost over, I guess the only thing to do now is sit back and see if the comments and reviews get better. I certainly look forward to it. I'd like to see things get to where I'd feel like renewing again wouldn't leave me as disappointed as I was the last time I joined.

11-19-09  09:35am

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dingle (1) REPLY TO #4 - RagingBuddhist :

Hi people,

Im glad i logged on to this site today- i was thinking of re-joining as i saw "Cate" & "christen" was back but saw the review of cate and thought oh no they are still "Non nude" videos.

But saw sue ann had posted explaining why, im praying that the back log of rubbish videos are nearly over.
Looks like i shall save my money untill feb and see how things go as i do like abby winters and the non recuring membership suits me, saves so much hastle.

One comment i do wish to add is about all the "Model attractiveness"
i think alot of reviews are very unfair, i love seeing the normal lady and if she is not so pretty but with a nice body and lady bits this makes the experiance even better this to me is what "Amatuer" really means/the girl next door type & i wish that some slightly more chunky girls would show their bodys off, im not meaning LARGE whales but someone with a little puppy fat.

Roll on next year !!!!!!!! ~( If they do upgrade their site )

11-22-09  11:08am

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dingle (1) REPLY TO #5 - dingle :

**Big Edit**

Sorry.. Not "Sue Ann" But "Abbywinter webmaster" (CEO) explaining reason why, Thank you, i look forward to the new site!!!

11-22-09  07:09pm

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