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rearadmiral (334) 01-30-13  06:35pm
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What’s up with 18 Only Girls and Diesel Access Network lately?

This may not qualify as a comment, but I thought it made more sense here than on the forum. Apologies if you think I made the wrong choice…

18 Only Girls was reviewed at TBP today and that got me thinking about how the excellent Diesel Access sites used to be one of the best values on the internet. If you recall, if you joined through TBP / PU you not only got a $10 discount from the single-site price, but you got access to every site they had for that lower price. And the webmaster popped in to say hello once in a while.

But things are different today. 18 Only Girls is a stand-alone site with no discount for TBP / PU members. You do get access to Skinny Super Girl featuring Gloria. I’ll admit that.

But if you want access to their other signature site, Young Legal Porn, that’s a separate $30 membership. And, for some strange reason the bonus site here is also Skinny Super Girl.

The same goes for their other sites – they are all now stand-alone and $30 per month. Some don’t even offer a bonus site – not even the same one that is offered with other sites.

To further erode the sense of value, Diesel spun off a separate company with Wow Girls and now Wow Porn that use the same format and even the same models but are stand-alone sites for $30 per month.

I realize that there are some obvious possible answers here, such as their high production costs make this an expensive venture, or now that they’re established they don’t need to offer discounts, but does anyone have any inside information on why this company changed its business model so quickly? They went from being our BFF here to pretending they don’t even know us anymore.

I do realize that some of their sites offer five-month access to “all our 13 sites” but they don’t list the sites. TBP lists 14 from Diesel, so my worry is that buying a $100 five-month membership through 18 Only Girls would exclude the other main site, Young Legal Porn.

Has anyone here tried the five-month, 13-site access who might give some advice?

(Not related to this already long ‘comment,” but in my opinion one of the most sensual (and sexy) photos I have ever seen is the lead photo of Gloria on her Skinny Super Girl site where she is lying face down on a white-covered bed looking back at the camera and giving a sultry look. That photo melts every part of me except one. I only mention this because I saw her model photo on 18 Only Girls and she looks TERRIBLE. Yes she’s thin, but some of us like that. That photo makes her look anorexic. It isn’t flattering. I know she’s not to everyone’s liking, but the webmaster must have been mad at her the day he opted to use that as her promo picture.)

Sorry for the comment that turned into a rant…

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elephant (65) Hi Rearadmiral

I know it is a great shame as I did love the site so much as a valued package, I don't see the value anymore with they membership options, far too expensive for me to keep on top of their material joining all the sites separably so I just pretend I've never heard of them to be honest. If they went back to the network membership I'd join like a shot, I also hate the fact that wow girls is separate making yet another site of very similar content to join. I'll live without I guess.

Love Gloria too but yeah too skinny is not good at all, hope she is well.

01-31-13  07:58am

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lk2fireone (194) Wow Girls and Wow Porn are marketed separately from the Diesel Access network of Young Legal Porn, 18 Only Girls, and the other 12 sites in the Diesel Access network.

I've joined the 14 site Diesel Access network for the 5-month membership. You get access to the 14 sites in that network, including Young Legal Porn, 18 Only Girls, and the other 12 sites (but not Wow Girls or Wow Porn).

Also, if you join 18 Only Girls or Young Legal Porn and stay a member for more than 2 months, I believe you then gain access to all 14 sites in the Diesel Access network. At least, that's what what the Webmaster wrote in a reply to some comment last year.

01-31-13  12:50pm

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rearadmiral (334) REPLY TO #1 - elephant :

I really hope the site rethinks this and bundles a better package. I realize that the access and price they used to give us was probably too good to last, but the current structure can't help them either. I wouldn't give it a second thought except that they make some of the best porn available today.
01-31-13  03:59pm

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rearadmiral (334) REPLY TO #2 - lk2fireone :

Based on your information I might take a risk and join. I looked for the comment on getting network access after two months but I can't find it. I also can't find any 'contact us' link on the sites - not that they'd be likely to answer anyway...
01-31-13  04:01pm

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lk2fireone (194) REPLY TO #4 - rearadmiral :

Here is what dieselman (the Webmaster at Diesel Access network) wrote in a reply to a post at PU:

10-15-12 09:33am

dieselman
Webmaster

REPLY TO #2 - lk2fireone :

Thank you lk2fireone!

Indeed, when you buy a membership of 5 months access, you will get access to all our sites in DieselAccess network. You can also join with TBP montnly discount link and after staying a member with us for two months, you will get access to all our sites at no additional cost.

WowGirls is a separate site but we will release soon a loyalty access for it as well.

Now, get there and enjoy the girls and the content :))

01-31-13  06:36pm

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elephant (65) REPLY TO #3 - rearadmiral :

I agree some of the best porn today but I believe in an age where business is hard to find, especially with the tube sites and stuff it would be the other way and offering a package like most of the really successful sites, 21 sextury, reality kings, teen mega world. I think to survive you gotta add value. you easily make the money back cause you get lots lots more people saying wow thats a great deal and will always return or stay a member. They can't get many people staying a member when you are paying $30 for each site.

I am biased in that opinion maybe cause I simply cannot afford all 3 main sites, so I'm one who will have to stay away. That said, I'm at a point that I have so much great porn that my collection keeps me busy, always some new gem I've never seen before.

02-01-13  12:50am

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elephant (65) REPLY TO #4 - rearadmiral :

Yeah that's one thing I'm not a fan of, everything seems to change so often you don't know what you do get with all this 5 month, 2 month you might get this you might not, wish they could be upfront and clearly state, this, that, that's what you get.
02-01-13  12:53am

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rearadmiral (334) REPLY TO #6 - elephant :

I agree with you that their business model may actually be hurting them. I LOVE these sites but I haven't been back to any of them because as much as I love them they aren't a good value. And, as you say, they change so often that I don't have as much confidence that I'm getting what I think I'm getting.

To make matters worse, the way they spread scenes across all the sites is a problem. There are several models I really like but just joining one site means I don't get access to all their stuff. Even with Gloria, who is one of my favourites, I can get the bonus site that features her (Skinny Super Girl) but then there is so much more on the other sites that I don't get. Like you, I find it so frustrating that so far my approach has just been to avoid it.

02-01-13  02:36pm

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rearadmiral (334) REPLY TO #5 - lk2fireone :

Thanks for finding that. I appreciate the info.
02-01-13  02:37pm

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elephant (65) REPLY TO #8 - rearadmiral :

That's it exactly with me, some great scenes sure but the sites wow girls legal porn and 18 only girls are all so similar and missing out on models is very annoying. Their logic would be you'd like a girl and join all 3 sites but that nearly $100 makes it too expensive, for me anyway so in the end I don't join any site.

You would think all Gloria scenes should certainly all be on her site, I don't really get that lol. Anyway I guess they must be making it work for them as they are sticking to it.

My next site will be Teen Mega World I think, just waiting in hope they get more anal scenes.

02-01-13  03:44pm

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rearadmiral (334) REPLY TO #10 - elephant :

I disagree (but really agree with your intention) with one point you make, namely that the sites are so similar. I don't think they're similar - they're really the same site just cut up into three separate pieces with no common theme. I could see if they grouped models, or put all anal on one site. But it seems like they just randomly choose where to upload each new scene. That adds to the frustration.

I really hope the webmaster rethinks his approach.

02-01-13  03:58pm

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elephant (65) REPLY TO #11 - rearadmiral :

Yeah I agree they are the same, bad wording from me. I too would prefer if they split them in say a solo/lesbian, straight vaginal sex and straight anal, something like that then you could join at least one and get your most preferred niche.

It is or does seem totally random for which site a movie get onto, must make it had for them too to remember stuff lol.

I hope so too that they alter the setup but won't hold my breath. Doesn't seem to visit here anymore, do they.

02-03-13  05:34am

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dieselman (35)
Webmaster
Good morning everybody! Great to see you :) How do you do guys?

I will try to reply to you here in a short and clear way:


1 - It is my pleasure to inform you here about upcoming changes to our membership policies. We are releasing a new DieselAccess very soon. One of the main change there is the introduction of two level memberships - Gold and Diamond.

Gold level - an entry level and will give you instant access to all our DieselAccess sites, right from the first day.

Diamond level - all loyal members, who stay active for more than two months. This level will give you an access to.... WOW NETWORK :) and... all our upcoming sites will be released at no cost as well!

You are the first to know about it!

2 - Of course there is a big difference between DieselAccess and WowNetwork. It may feature some of the same girls, but our approach there is very different. It is also shot on Red cameras which are really another level of cameras. This is high-end production for members seeking highest video quality possible. Our new project, WowPorn.com is even more different, with completely new approach for us.


I am sure you love these news!

02-04-13  09:08am

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rearadmiral (334) REPLY TO #13 - dieselman :

Dieselman - thanks for taking the time to drop in and provide some feedback. I think you will understand that you have a lot of fans and customers here so any good news about your sites is welcome.

Two things:

1) please drop in here and leave a comment when the new pricing structure is active. I'm sure I'm not the only member here who will want to take advantage of it.

2) consider a third loyalty level that drops the price after three months. Join for one month and get one site, get expanded access in month two and then a lower price in month three and onward. By month three members would only be downloading updates so it would be less cost for bandwidth for you and you might see some guys like me just stay forever. If there was a network that I'd join and stay for a long time it would be yours.

02-04-13  02:51pm

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dieselman (35)
Webmaster
REPLY TO #14 - rearadmiral :

Hello again Rearadmiral!

I am not posting that much, mostly due to lack of cooperation from THB staff, but I check the pages quite often and reply as well.

I will, of course, release our big news once it will be ready.

Regarding the levels, we couldn't find any way to reduce the price and keep improving quality of our work, keep releasing new sites and hunting best wow girls for you. After all you will be a member of two, the most exciting networks for one price only! If the costs of bandwidth would be our main concern, the membership fee would go down much lower. I don't want to get into numbers here, business is boring, I like to entertain! :) It gives me more pleasure than numbers.

Keep in mind, Diamond members will always get new sites at no cost! (and we have two more now in production!)

02-04-13  10:18pm

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Khan
PU Staff
REPLY TO #15 - dieselman :

When you say THB I'll assume you mean TBP (TheBestPorn).

I know Ken is usually *very* willing to work with webmasters so I'm surprised to hear you say there's a "lack of cooperation". I do recall you've had us reset your password several times because you forgot it. But other than that, I'm unaware of any queries you've made that we've not responded to. If you'll drop a line with your concerns to support [at] pornusers [dot] com I'll do my best to see any questions are answered.

02-05-13  07:07am

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dieselman (35)
Webmaster
REPLY TO #16 - Khan :

Yes, I meant TBP.

Thank you for getting back to me. I sent several emails regarding discounts and speeding up review of WowGirls. Never got any reply back. I will give it another try and send it tomorrow to the email mentioned above.

Thanks!

02-05-13  10:12am

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Khan
PU Staff
REPLY TO #17 - dieselman :

I don't handle either reviews or the discounts but if you send to that address, I'll see that it gets to the right person.

The requesting reviews you should be able to do via your webmaster profile. If you're unsure, mention it in the email and I'll find the URL for you. I'll also pass on Ken's contact info so it'll be easy to contact him directly.

02-05-13  10:17am

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rearadmiral (334) REPLY TO #15 - dieselman :

Thanks for that information DM. I didn't understand at first that the Diamond membership will give access to Diesel Access AND Wow. That is great news!

I understand that bandwidth is only a small part of your costs. I can't complain because you do have some of the best porn available today.

I'm definitely looking forward to your new memberships.

02-07-13  03:19pm

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RLane (16) REPLY TO #13 - dieselman :

That is very great news and I'll definitely join with any of those two deals.
02-23-13  05:02pm

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