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Contrary to logic, why do dictionaries define self-abuse as a paramount definition of masturbation?

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Submitted by graymane (31)
Jerk-off overload? 3% 1 Votes
Guilt association 13% 5 Votes
Religious anathema 53% 20 Votes
Depletion of bodily fluids 3% 1 Votes
Feels good, therefore bad 11% 4 Votes
Any other ideas 18% 7 Votes

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38 Votes Total

Sep 19, 2011

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Drooler (218) Someone asks you, "How are you coping without a girlfriend? Self-abuse?" You know what they mean.

In other words, it's a meaning that is in common use and is commonly understood. That's why.

09-19-11  03:56am

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lk2fireone (194) Self-abuse is bad. It says so in the Bible (old testament). So you have both religious and moral pressure (sort of the same thing, really) against it. That's the old world. Are you a sinner? Are you a moral person?
09-19-11  07:10am

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t9chome (0) In some cultures, flogging one's self shows his devotion to the deity. Christianity is all about self-restraint.
09-19-11  07:49am

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graymane (31) OK.....before you guys are collectively piling up on me for this being an odd poll question, let me explain why I tossed it in at all.
The real "odd" thing about all this is associating the word "abuse" with mastubration in the first place......the two words should be acknowledged as the antithesis of one another..... I mean, after a guy has blissfully and completely mastubrated, and he's reposed and basking in its' pleasent afterglow....does he then apologize to his balls and penis for having abused them?
I figured the PU bunch around here especially would be amused (as was I) in finding this reference to masturbation by MR. Webster to be as big a faux pas as did I.

09-19-11  07:58am

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manholelover (24) I reckon it's guilt hailing from religious dogma. As, unfortunately, most of our moral codes seem to be largely based on religion and, certainly in the UK, there's a reluctance to separate church from state (the queen is still the head of the Church of England, unelected bishops still sit in our House of Lords and therefore have a say on what legislation is passed) it's the views of a few reactionaries which try to dictate the moral code of our country. From the term self abuse, it seems whatever dictionary that definition came from doesn't make the distinction between self harm (i.e. cutting, maiming) and masturbation. Ho hum...
09-19-11  08:22am

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Drooler (218) REPLY TO #4 - graymane :

I agree that calling it "abuse" is stretching things a bit. ;)

As for Webster, who embraced Calvinism, well, that might have something to do with it.

09-19-11  08:40am

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Denner (233) graymane....nothing odd about that poll.....doing some thinking (yes, it's still possible, LOL)..it's very clear - not the answers, but the question......
Like Lee Van Cleef asked Clint Eastwood in "For A Few Dollars More":
- Is the question indiscreet?
And he got this in return:
- No, but the answer might be.

Still, I'd go for:
Religious anathema........and then again "guilt" - but that's probably for the young ones.

Manholelover...The UK may still be suffering from the Victorian times...we remember also stories about the Suffragettes that was not only freedom for women, but freedom from the ultra conservative points of view, the church, that House of Lords, you mentions and the general old fashioned way of "British thinking"...Oh, it's better now - but get closer to the rest of Europe......even if we probably got some of the same amount of hypocrisy in some ways

09-19-11  08:54am

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jberryl69 (12) a censorious term for masturbation
09-19-11  02:34pm

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turboshaft (24) People don't know their own strength? Or they have delicate and sensitive genitals?

Thus what starts out as self-love quickly becomes self-abuse--at least if you're good at it... ; - )

09-20-11  01:56am

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turboshaft (24) REPLY TO #6 - Drooler :

Be aware that "stretching things a bit" is also considered a form of abuse... : - 0
09-20-11  02:03am

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turboshaft (24) REPLY TO #4 - graymane :

Graymane, I don't think it's an odd poll question, it's probably just that most of us have moved beyond feeling guilt over the masturbatory abuse/love debate.

Though I don't pretend to understand the first thing about religion, particularly the more, uh, hands off ones--literally in this case--there does seem to be a wide range of believers who think, for religious reasons, that the bodily pleasures are off limits to those who think anything goes.

Some view masturbation as disgraceful, sacrilegious, or as just a plain lack of restraint and willpower over natural urges. Others seem to think if a god made their body, and then gave them the urge to play with it, then they are free to go crazy, and what constitutes "abuse," again referring to masturbation, is pretty far off. Me personally, I'm not too sure about people who refuse to masturbate, because if you can't even enjoy the simple things you're naturally born with, then what can you enjoy? But to each their own...

I guess if your masturbation involves S&M stuff then you're in a whole other ballpark, and then "abuse" would actually mean not getting abusive, but that's a different poll question entirely.

09-20-11  02:21am

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gaypornolover (38) I think the guilt associated with masturbation is largely down to religion - the Catholic Church considers it a sin to this day I believe, as do many other religions.
Though to be fair I think it also has its roots in other more "scientific" approaches - in Victorian times it was considered actively damaging to health - I read about some sick Victorian devices parents could buy to prevent their sons masturbating!
If you consider it to be bad for you, morally, spiritually or even medically, I can see where the term self-abuse comes from, but it's one we should avoid using now we know it's actually a healthy, normal activity! I'd be very surprised if PU users don't do it!

09-20-11  10:36am

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slutty (111) I think it is likely a religious thing used to demonize masturbation.
09-20-11  11:53am

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exotics4me (463) There is another way to look at it though it's probably not right. There are a lot of men and women that are into sexual self-abuse. This can range from the cuckold fantasy to the dom/sub fantasy.

Where the first problem comes in isn't so much that masturbation is seen as self-abuse, but is instead our subjective views on "abuse". When I see masturbation as self-abuse is when it reaches the point that the person no longer has sexual desire to be with others and is content with their sex life being just based around masturbation. I think from that view, it could be seen as abusive mentally.

Though the physical view of it being self-abuse is quite funny! I'll try that with my wife the next time she gets mad at me, "Stop yelling at me or I'm going to go hurt myself with masturbation!" Sadly, I can see her rolling her eyes.

09-20-11  03:46pm

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Drooler (218) REPLY TO #10 - turboshaft :

Yes. I know/knew/meant ...
09-20-11  04:24pm

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otoh (54) Excellent question, graymane - I'm another one to chalk it up to religion, but then I'm generally quick to bash it. Er, religion, that is.
09-20-11  11:14pm

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RustyJ (145) Couldn't answer as I didn't even undestand the question and the words in it ;)
09-21-11  12:50am

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dracken (246) Hmm I see religious is the most chosen answer, but didn't people have all sorts of medical arguments against masturbation way before organized religion came around? I think I remember reading something from ancient Rome about how masturbation will make you weak willed and no true man should so it...

I might be remembering this wrong, but I think there has been a stigma against jacking off as far back as anyone can remember.

09-21-11  04:40pm

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