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messmer (137) 05-12-10  11:15am
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And another loss for softcore lovers!

Just take the tour and look at the last, let's say 10 - 14 updates. Dildos, dildos, dildos, dildos, hardcore, hardcore, hardcore. I'm sure they'll do well with that formula, apparently that's what most people want, but regrettably it is now one less site I want to subscribe to. I won't mourn when my present subscription expires. And it was such a class site, too. :-(

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Capn (28) It seems to me that was the way it was always weighted.

When will we get softcore material that goes to explicit full nudity but no further :0(

Cap'n. :0E

05-12-10  03:09pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #1 - Capn :

I honestly can't remember things being that bad when they first started, Cap'n. You might very well be right. But the updates during the past week have really been a shock, maybe that's why I noticed with such distaste this time around.
05-12-10  04:01pm

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lk2fireone (194) REPLY TO #2 - messmer :

You can always switch to softcore teen mega-sites if you get really desperate. Have you ever joined Met-art, mplstudios, or similar sites? I realize you appear to like your women a little older, but there are a number of high quality teen sites that are worth visiting. But as I keep repeating, that depends on personal preference. If teens are out, that limits the selection of what is available. I've certainly never viewed all the sets at the teen mega-sites, but there are a number of teen sites that never seem to have heard of a dildo, or even masturbation, and have so far stayed completely away from hardcore.
05-12-10  05:07pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #3 - lk2fireone :

Hi, lk2fireone, the only teen site I've ever subscribed to was Nubiles, oh yeah, I almost forgot Twisty's which I hated for its perfect, slicked up Barbies (making untold personal enemies with that statement), but I want to clear up a potential misconception about my preferences.

It's not masturbation I am opposed to, as a matter of fact I like it if it involves fingers, it's dildos I hate! Couldn't tell you why that should be so, just one of those personal quirks. And you're right when it comes to my preference for women who are more my peers but, again, I am not a purist when it comes to the niches I subscribe to, so a teen site w/o hardcore and dildos would be quite acceptable even though it wouldn't be my first choice. That's probably where I'll end up heading if I don't come across a mature, purely softcore (it can include masturbation) site soon. :-)

05-12-10  06:35pm

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GCode (101) Ah yes, the dildo routine. I liked this site because of the stray away from mostly all that. I remember even seeing some machine use. I have to say you are probably right when it comes to dildos. I think that just most producers/directors probably just think a models use of only fingers does not give enough 'umpff' to the content. Therefore, the result is bringing in toys. However, I've always thought that the simple use of fingers shows much more erotism amongst models because they are using their own technique in such a simple way to get themselves off. But, back to what I said, I think a lot of makers of porn tend to see more as better and toys are the solution in the eyes of them :( Stinks but it is what it is I guess.
05-12-10  08:22pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #5 - GCode :

The disturbing thing when it comes to "more is better" is that a lot of subscribers must agree with them or they wouldn't continue to do it. It would be interesting to see the subscriber numbers of sites that originally didn't show toy use or hardcore but then gave in to the pressure to introduce both.

It's the same with DVDs and the sudden transition in most scenes from a very short interview with a model to full fledged action. It's boring, it's jarring to see someone talking one moment and then have some naked stunt cocks by their side five seconds later, but that must be what the public wants or they wouldn't keep doing it.

Never underestimate the bad taste of the majority. See Brazzers, see fake tits, popularity of! :-)

05-13-10  08:41am

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Capn (28) REPLY TO #6 - messmer :

'......that must be what the public wants or they wouldn't keep doing it.'

Well, everybody doesn't want it.
As we know it really comes down to what is available.
Not being porn manufacturers, we have to put up with:

a: What we are given.
b: What the majority are perceived to want.
c: What we dislike least.

Unless by continually banging on about it, we finally get given ( sold ;0) ) what we want.

Cap'n. :0)

05-13-10  10:06am

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Capn (28) REPLY TO #3 - lk2fireone :

lk2fireone '.....but there are a number of teen sites that never seem to have heard of a dildo, or even masturbation, and have so far stayed completely away from hardcore.'

Those usually have a very dodgy definition of 'nude' & a fair few of them haven't even heard of nudity at all either!

Cap'n. :0/

05-13-10  11:27am

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #7 - Capn :

Okay, Cap'n. I guess I should have said a majority of subscribers seem to want it or they wouldn't keep doing it. I cannot see the producers of porn put something out that doesn't appeal to most. Yes, you and I will have to keep banging on about it but will anyone listen to the minority?
05-13-10  11:47am

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Capn (28) REPLY TO #9 - messmer :

The big guns won't, but the smaller niche guys might.

Cap'n. :0)

05-13-10  11:50am

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lk2fireone (194) REPLY TO #4 - messmer :

I think I found the perfect site for you to hate.

"Toy Desire is full of young sluts who have never had the pleasure of a fat dick in their tight cunts, after weeks of trying to get them to take fat cocks, we failed, but we did manage to get them to shove just about anything else in their tight little twats, and yes, we got it ALL on video. These girls use cucumbers, strap-ons, vibrators, dildos anything that will give them the orgasm they so desperately need!"

I haven't had a chance to examine this site yet, but it appears to be one that you should avoid at all costs, until you get over your aversion to dildos.

Trying to find sites that you would really like seems to be a much harder thing to do.

I guess I'm lucky, because I really enjoy sites like Met-art. The only problem is that my budget is limited, so I can only join one or two a month.

But if I had an unlimited budget, my mind would blow a fuse, and I'd lose my appreciation for porn. Lol.

05-13-10  06:54pm

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lk2fireone (194) REPLY TO #8 - Capn :

Capn, I think there are at least a couple of PU members who really enjoy the tease. They can even appreciate sites that are tease and non-nude, I believe. But I'm more into sites where nudity is the majority of the photos. Though there are some models that I will enjoy their photosets, even if there is little to no nudity displayed. Because the models are really attractive for me, for some reason.

I'm much more into softcore than hardcore. But that's just me. A lot of PU members like their porn more graphic than what I do.

05-13-10  07:04pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #11 - lk2fireone :

Thanks loads, lk2fireone! Toy Desire - just the site I needed - not!

I've always wondered about Met-art. Quite frankly it's the art part that keeps me away because I keep envisioning bronzed nudes standing on white beaches and not doing much else. :-) Is there more to the site than "artistic nudes?" If there is I might give it a try. It certainly has a good reputation.

05-13-10  07:17pm

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lk2fireone (194) REPLY TO #13 - messmer :

Met-art is strictly softcore. No hardcore, no midcore, no masturbation.

If you want more action than 1 or 2 pretty teens standing, sitting, lying down, etc., then you need to look elsewhere.

You should be able to get a basic idea of the site from reading the numerous reviews posted at PU.

There are probably thousands of photosets posted at Met-art. It is a huge mega-site.

There are a huge number of videos, mainly 10 minutes runtime or less. The videos are almost all boring and a waste of time. The models in the videos can be lovely, beautiful, or merely attractive, but the videos are a waste of time to watch, after you've seen a few to get an idea of what they are like. I don't understand the psychology of why Met-art will post photosets of lovely girls that I find erotic, and yet videos of the same models are just a bore. Almost all of the PU reviewers that mention the videos state that the videos are a waste of time.

If the PU reviews don't give you enough information on whether Met-art would be appealing to you, you should be able to find 1000s of free mini-photosets of the Met-art photosets. I mean, there are 1000s of reduced-number of picture photosets on the internet. Many were posted by Met-art itself, as a form of advertising for the site. So if you look at a number of those photosets, you should get a good idea of whether the site is worth your while.

A 1-month subscription is only $20 (rounded off). So it's not expensive.

I've had several 1-year memberships to Met-art, because it's my favorite porn site.

I posted a PU review of Met-art over a year ago. And there are plenty of other PU reviews of Met-art that are worthwhile reading. Some people love the site, some like it, other people think it's over-rated and not worth joining.

05-13-10  07:57pm

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lk2fireone (194) REPLY TO #13 - messmer :

Edit: Another common complaint about Met-art is that the tease factor is missing. There is very little tease or strip-tease.
05-13-10  08:25pm

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GCode (101) REPLY TO #6 - messmer :

Weird you mention interviews because that was one of the favorite things I liked about the site. The fact that most were interviewed by a woman which made a better atmosphere in my opinion and the teasing the models would do. As far as the 'more is better' thing, I dunno if I'm right. I'm just throwing it out there :) I think it makes sense but I think it might be a combo of that and the fact that almost every site does it as well. It's probably a huge factor that most sites do it that the directors/producers feel the need to do it to so they are not the odd ones out. I have to agree that I'm sure that the masses must enjoy dildos or that there are just not enough of the majority complaining about it that they must think that this is what the masses want.
05-13-10  08:33pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #16 - GCode :

Misunderstanding, GCode! :-) I loved the interviews on Anilos and All Over 30 and always downloaded them. I was talking about DVD sites and the majority of scenes on DVDs where the girl sits on a sofa or bed, giving her name and age and what she expects to be doing that day and then, presto, out of the blue appear two naked males fully erect taking up position on either side of her and away they go! Or one male, or the photographer .. in any case, no transition. It's got to have something to do with the impatience of a new generation of porn users who like to get to the action as quickly as possible.
05-14-10  08:53am

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #15 - lk2fireone :

Thanks, lk2fireone. That would really stop me right there. I've been exposed to artistic nudes by the masters all my life and while I can admire a work of art or the beauty of a model, if the eroticism is missing it's not for me. "Very little tease" is, I'm afraid, the deal killer for me. But three cheers for diversity ... just wish that someone would look after my taste a bit more effectively and not just throw me a bone now and then. :-)
05-14-10  09:00am

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The Captain (9)
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We have had the policy that for every girl at least half of her content is without toys and dildos, but fingers and masturbation are ok. But it seems you are right. We have not been doing a good job of enforcing this with our producers. I will get on their asses. Thanks for pointing this out.

As for the hardcore, thats just an extra set. We don't shoot any less solo sets if they have hardcore.

05-19-10  03:10pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #19 - The Captain :

Thanks, Captain. I wasn't entirely sure if my memory served me right or not. I really appreciate your efforts to balance things a bit more in the future and will do my usual return when the time comes . I don't want to rob lovers of hardcore or dildos (midcore as we have started to call it) of their joy, I just yearn to see a few more solos and a bit less masturbation with those d....d plastic, ribbed, buzzing monstrosities. :-)
05-19-10  04:12pm

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The Captain (9)
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REPLY TO #20 - messmer :

Your memory serves you right. This one slipped through the cracks and its something we need to do a better job of. Hopefully its not all the way for our future upcoming updates as we do shoot ahead a few months, but nonetheless we will get back on track eventually.
05-19-10  08:29pm

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Capn (28) REPLY TO #20 - messmer :

Has this issue been addressed now, or is it still midcore / hardcore orientated?
07-18-10  03:21pm

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messmer (137) REPLY TO #22 - Capn :

Hi Capn, I haven't been a member lately but assume that the basic mixture of hardcore/softcore/midcore is still the same. Where they did make a mistake was in not mixing up the updates enough so that there was a long string of updates featuring hardcore/midcore at the expense of softcore at the time I voiced my complaint.
07-18-10  04:05pm

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Capn (28) REPLY TO #23 - messmer :

Fair comment.

I didn't honestly expect any change.

Cap'n. ;0)

07-19-10  03:32pm

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