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jd1961 (95) 12-09-08  09:04am
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Billing Comapany Fraud

Just received this email from Walter Bosque:

I want to thank your support to my artistic photography, the artistic and
erotic nudes in South America are a something difficult, and your monthly
payment of your membership is a key element, with them I pay the models,
productions, trips and the new equipment.
Unfortunately I’ve been swindled by the online payment company
ClickandBuy, from Germany, with offices in the UK and Spain. They were
doing the Visa payments on my website, and were supposed to transfer the
money of the memberships monthly to my bank account. It’s now a year from
the last transfer they made. They never transfer my money to my bank (one
of the bests in New York) when I asked them, saying that they’ve made it
and that my bank lost my money, among other lies that were making the time
pass. They never send my the transfer codes and they kept the memberships
The people of ClickandBuy related to my claims are:
- Guenter Messen (He made me pay € 2000, to install ClickandBuy on my
- Vicente Linares from Spain, he got mad bacuse of my claims, and among

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lk2fireone (196) Seems like your email quote was cut short.

Did you have any comment/opinion on the email?

I'm surprised there is not a lot more fraud in porn, because there is fraud in commerical businesses, and you would think that porn, with a lot of very small businesses, would have an even bigger problem. Can a small businessman in South America afford to sue someone in Germany or Spain? What would be his chances of collecting anything?

12-09-08  12:02pm

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jd1961 (95) REPLY TO #1 - lk2fireone :

I didn't have enough room in one comment, and the editors rejected my 2nd comment, so here is the rest:

I’m sure that there is more people involved in this fraud, which is a lot
of money for my and my productions.

The members that suscribed to my website via ClickandBuy will have regular
Access to it, but the renewal will be done by us manually and if you have
any doubt please contact us.
Claudia at walterbosque-art.com webmaster at walterbosque-art.com o
Gabriel at walterbosque-art.com Walter at walterbosque-art.com

Please if you want to renew your subscription you¿ll be able to do it with
the credit cards excluiding Visa with CCBill and Online Check via CCBill

12-09-08  12:08pm

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jd1961 (95) REPLY TO #1 - lk2fireone :

I had a very difficult time canceling my membership through this billing company, so I believe Bosque when he claims he was defrauded.

He's using CCBill now, but not accepting Visa for some reason.

I don't know what his chances are, but I will avoid this billing company whenever I see it.

12-09-08  12:11pm

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lk2fireone (196) REPLY TO #3 - jd1961 :

Thanks for responding so quickly to my question.

What Bosque emailed sounds reasonable.

As far as not accepting Visa for payment, probably a financial reason. Each credit card company can charge differently to business they are dealing with, and Bosque apparently feels Visa would charge his company too much for the transactions.

It's not simply a financial transaction from member to Bosque's site, but there might be currency translations as well, and that could get expensive.

(Just guessing.)

What really burns Bosque is they not only stole his membership money, they also demanded 2000 euros to install the billing service on his web site.

The gall of some of these thieves is amazing.

I read where some of these Internet scammers in Africa justify their thefts by saying they are only taking a small amount of money from people who can afford to lose it.

12-09-08  12:26pm

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mr smut (42) I never used this company to pay for anything but it's no surprise to me that google finds a lot of articles dealing with problems that this company used to have in the past. I do hope that Walther finally gets his money!
12-09-08  12:38pm

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PU Staff
REPLY TO #2 - jd1961 :

To be accurate ...

The editors (me) asked you to make the 2nd part a reply (continuation) of the initial Comment rather than as a second, stand-alone Comment, as you submitted it.

12-09-08  01:19pm

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Drooler (220) Anyone remember ibill? They got the people at ClubSandy and PixAndVideo so mad by not transferring payments to them that both sites posted statements NOT to use ibill to subscribe. (ibill was still listed as a billing company at their sites, so I suppose it was some kind of contract snafu.)

ibill used to be all over the place on porn sites. Then ... *poof!* And toward the end, I got shut out from a couple of sites that I'd subscribed to through them ... for "sharing access," which I did not do. Can't prove it was people at ibill who dealt me that; can't prove it wasn't, either.

I'll tell you one thing, it's best to use just one credit card for all of your porn transactions, just in case another billing company goes rogue on us all. It's certainly not an airtight measure of precaution, but it beats the alternative.

12-09-08  02:11pm

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Denner (235) REPLY TO #7 - Drooler :

Yes, I remember ibill - and not to be trusted.
Do not know exactly when they got out of bussiness, but this may be right:

BTW: Have to agree entirely with Drooler about the use of creditcard - got a couple - but always use ONLY one for porn-sites - that way it's much easier to follow the transactions!

12-09-08  04:07pm

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jd1961 (95) REPLY TO #6 - Khan :

That is correct.
12-09-08  08:17pm

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jd1961 (95) REPLY TO #8 - Denner :

I used to use Visa gift cards for porn sites, which was the safest way, but the billing companies eventually disallowed them.
12-09-08  08:19pm

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Drooler (220) REPLY TO #8 - Denner :

That's interesting. The part I don't get is that it was "scrambling" to find a new upstream processor after its contract with the current one expired. That sounds like somebody "forgot" something that was, well, kinda important. ;)

That's when defecation impacted the rotary oscillator (i.e., the shit hit the fan).

BTW: by "the alternative," of course I meant NO PORN :-(

12-09-08  11:59pm

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Gabix (3)
REPLY TO #3 - jd1961 :

Click and Buy really screw us.... But we can´t affor to demand a big company fromEurope that seems to be pro at frauding people....

And we aren't accepting Visa with CCBill because it´s not available for countries in South America.

If you have anything to say please keep comenting, we want to hear you all!!!

12-10-08  03:58am

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