"I just wrote a detailed review about this site but my login to PU timed out and it was lost when I submitted. Trying again....not as detailed as the first time, sorry."
I NORMALLY WRITE MY REVIEWS IN A NOTEPAD OR WORDPAD FILE, AND PASTE THEM INTO THE PU FORM.
THAT SAVES ME FROM RE-WRITING MY REVIEWS, IF THE PU LINK TIMES OUT.
OF COURSE, THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THAT METHOD.
YOU CAN GO OVER THE LIMIT FOR NUMBER OF CHARACTERS OR LINES ALLOWED, AND THEN HAVE TO EDIT YOUR REVIEW.
BUT IT'S FAR BETTER TO WRITE THE REVIEW ON A TEXT DOCUMENT, THAN HAVING TO RE-WRITE IT BECAUSE THE REVIEW GETS LOST IN COMPUTER NETHERWORLD.
Computers can make mistakes.
So the error message that a server is mis-configured could be worthless (I sometimes get that same mis-configured error message, and ignore it: sometimes I re-send my email, and it then goes through.)
Anyway, it might be that your account was hacked. That seems to be very common, about charges to cam shows that people never watched or requested.
Or, it could be a computer error, where your mouse flicked over some link, and that's why you are getting charged.
Or some other reason.
So, my advice, have patience, but not too much: Send a message to chat, or support, that you did not request the cam shows, did not watch them, and were billed in error.
I've never dealt with ECHST.
From what I've read (you can't put a lot of weight on internet reports about payment processors), they are far less responsive or reliable than CCBill or Epoch or Vendo.
Some of their agents can be rude with dealing with customers.
So, stand your ground.
Do not pay fraudulent charges.
If need be, if ECHST does not want to give a refund, call your credit card company, and protest the charges.
And, as a last resort, have your card cancelled, and be issued a new card account with your credit card company.
(That's if ECHST continues to make charges on your card.)
I don't know what specific credit card companies you have dealt with.
I've dealt with Discover, Mastercard, Visa.
In the past, I've had fraudulent charges to my Discover and Mastercard accounts.
All it took was a telephone call to the card company stating that the charges were fraudulent, and the credit company dis-allowed those charges. I didn't even have to send any signed letters or forms to verify that the charges were fraudulent.
Sometimes the credit card company would issue me a new account number, with a new card. But there was never any charge for this. (For fraudulent charges to my account.)
A few times I called my credit card company (Discover, or Mastercard), disputing a charge. Not exactly fraud, but stating I didn't order the service, or for some other reason I didn't want to pay the charge.
In those cases, the credit card company dis-allowed the charge. Without any argument. Without asking for any letters or paperwork from me.
In those cases, the account was not closed, with a new account number given to me. I kept the old account number.
I've never had any problems disputing charges in the past. I don't do it a lot, but the credit card companies are friendly, courteous, and easy to deal with.
The issue of credit card companies dealing with scam sites is a separate issue.
My advice to you is to tell your credit card company you paid for a service and did not receive satisfactory service. That you want a refund. There should be no problem.
Don't bring up that this is a porn site--unless they specifically ask for that information.
Don't complain about scam sites or other issues that have nothing to do with the issue of your refund.
I've never had to prove anything to credit card companies. It's not an issue of proof. I'm not a lawyer, but my impression is that, by law, the credit card company is supposed to take your word for what happened. Sometimes they will require a written letter or document you sign.
If you paid for a trial membership to MYGF and you got no privileges for your membership, I would assume you should be able to get a refund from your credit card.
If you can neither view nor download any videos or photos, I mean.
But at least you posted a useful warning to PU members.
Personally, I try to avoid all trial memberships, because you never know in advance how limited they are. And trial memberships normally convert into high priced memberships at the end of the trial, unless you cancel them.
Glad for the warning, and also glad that you are able to take this so calmly.
I would be screaming my lungs out that I had been tricked.
Which would not be that good for me, at my age. Lol.
Thanks again for the warning.
This was a new one, for me.
Except that I was charged twice on my cell phone, for ring-tones, that I never ordered or agreed to buy.
My cell phone carrier representative told me I had probably opened a text message from some company, and that automatically gave the company the right to charge me for a service.
The reason I was charged twice (about $15 for each time), was that as soon as I noticed the charge on my monthly bill, I called my cell phone carrier to complain, they placed a block on the account, but somehow, I was still charged a second time by the *(^%$ ring-tone company.
I called the ring-tone company that charged me, they said they would give me a refund: it took about 4 months for me to get a refund, of $15 (they had charged me $15 twice, for a total of $30).
I gave up trying to get the rest of my money back.
But scams, thieves, whatever, are alive and well out there.
Even big-name corporations like to play games.
Sometimes they even get caught, and are forced to pay a fine.
But in the past, any fine they paid was small compared to the money they probably made from cheating their customers.
I signed up for a Devils Film membership in April, using Mastercard. And the credit card company blocked my account until I spoke with them on the telephone.
The credit card companies are trying to prevent fraud. So if they see a suspicious charge or billing agent, they block the account.
If clearing your cache does not solve the problem, try this:
use a different browser (IE, firefox, opera, whatever) to connect to the site.
badandy400 posted this advice to another member, golden zebra, who could not join a site:
"I would try clearing all of your temporary files and cookies. This typically clears up many of the issues that arise. Another option is to try using a different browser, firefox, IE, ect. Good luck."
golden zebra was able to join the site by using a different browser (firefox).
A week ago I tried loading the intro page for Amour Angels on my PC. That page did not load the images that it is supposed to show. Instead, I got a page that is mainly white-space.
(I am not a member of that site, was just trying to look over the models at the site.)
Anyway, I mentioned this in a comment at PU, asking if other PU members had the same problem. I got 2 replies, from Khan (PU staff) and Goldfish, stating they had no problem loading the page.
I then cleared my cache (I use Firefox browser), but that did not work. I still can't properly load the intro page for Amour Angels with Firefox. I also use Opera, a different browser, and that will properly load the Amour Angels page, with the images.) I also have that same problem for a few other sites with Firefox, I've noticed. I don't know why my Firefox browser does not load the images from some sites/pages. I need to slam my browser or PC upside of the head or go for anger management.
What I'm trying to say is that the problem seems to be in your PC software somewhere, maybe in your browser. Basing this on Khan's reply that he is able to load the site properly.
You can try clearing your browser cache. That might work, and would be a simple solution (that did not work for me, unfortunately).
Do you have any opinion on the value of the site? And old review from about 3 years ago rated the site very low, a score of 50. And the replies to that review also say the site is poor. One old reply even mentions the site had DRM.
Unless he's been badly beaten by his male opponent, maybe he could turn around and fuck the girl giving the titty fuck. I don't think I've seen a titty fuck before now. How much does it hurt?
Fuc*ing impressive review.
Are you sure you're not a professional porn reviewer who's looking to make the rest of us look bad?
Any one of your reviews would qualify as best in class for the week submitted.
A few sites are trying out the different membership levels of streaming only versus streaming + downloading for a higher price.
I don't think the different membership level pricing plan is really catching on, because I've looked at a lot of sites and very few sites seem to be offering that choice currently.
Diesel Network (All Fine Girls, Wow Girls, Wow Porn) offered a choice of streaming only, with a higher priced streaming + downloading, a while back.
But they seem to have dropped the streaming only option. As far as I know.
The Best Porn (the sister site of Porn Users) still shows a streaming only membership for All Fine Girls.
But if I use the hot link from PU or TBP to access the All Fine Girls site, and hit the join link,
I only see streaming + download membership prices listed (for 1 month recurring, 1 month non-recurring, and 6 month recurring.
I'm a member of Diesel Access, with a diamond level membership, have been for over 1 year, which means I have access to all 3 sites.
But they are like many sites, that don't seem to have a need for a FAQ where membership prices and rules are posted inside the membership area.
Anyway, I'm glad that most porn sites do not offer a streaming versus streaming + downloading option.
That's personal preference.
To be honest, if I were more analytical, I should prefer the option of choosing a cheaper streaming only membership and a streaming + downloading option.
But I don't like having to make choices about this.
To be truthful, I used to download gobs of content from most porn sites.
But now I am more selective about what I download, and try to download only what I will watch again and again.
Unless there is some special reason: like, it's easier to watch a photo set on my PC, instead of trying to using the site's slideshow mechanism, which might be clunky to view.
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But the sex is not excessively rough or violent.
The site is small (only 74 videos currently).
But you get access to a massive amount of hardcore teen videos.
All of the models are young, many are attractive to very attractive.
A lot the videos can be hot: these are young teens who enjoy getting fucked (or they certainly seem to give that impression).
Because of the low price, and the large contents of the network, and the level of attractiveness of the models, I think the network is definitely worth joining: it's one of my favorite teen hardcore networks.
Giving the site a score of 90, because of the network access.
If the site was a stand-alone site, the score would be much lower.
I'm giving a high score, in spite of the navigation issues.
The models are attractive young teens, and some of the scenes can be erotic. Not artistic, but hot: because the models really seem to be getting off.
Nice review, seems to cover the main points about the site and the network. I agree that the network is a bargain. I just re-joined the Royal Cash network yesterday.
You are right, the site has a huge number of photos, but there are very few, if any, that are worth keeping.
The photos are like screen caps of each video shoot. Or maybe they really are screen caps. I can't tell the difference from looking at the photos, except that I do know the photos are just not very good, or very erotic, or appealing. Which is a shame, because they have such a huge number of them on the site. Which I think is a waste of time and space.
The value of the site definitely comes from the videos, and not the photos.
They might run out of gas before reaching 100. Or maybe not. It's hard to know how long any of these sites or networks will last over the years. If I had more faith that Met-art would still be around a number of years from now, and that I would be around as well, then I'd sign up for their lifetime subscription. Because Met-art is my favorite site, and favorite niche: softcore teen erotic, and they do such a great job in the photography side. Their videos are basically a waste of time. $799 for lifetime of the site. Which is not cheap, but a great deal if the site is still around 20 years from now. But by then, I will be down below, unable to get into the site, even if my login name and password were still working. And I don't know who I could will them to on my passing. Lol.
I don't know if the 2-day trial is limited or not. But if you join Teen Mega World, for $19.95/month, you should get Beauty Angels included as part of your network access. Joining Beauty Angels directly costs $29.95, and gives you access to maybe 24 network sites.
What I found out from personal experience.
I signed up through Rocket Pay (I'm not using the official name, I'm not bothering to check at the moment) to some MetArt satellite site years ago.
Then, a few months ago, I did once of the 2-day free trials for a different MetArt site.
The default biller was RocketGate.
And I didn't have to give any credit card information.
RocketGate had kept my credit card information on file over the years, from the MetArt site I signed up with years ago.
So RocketGate might have the credit card information you gave them, from years ago, if you signed up to any site using RocketGate as the biller.
I don't know if CCBill and Epoch are the same.
If they keep your credit card information once you give it to them, or if it's only kept for active porn memberships.
But the system RocketGate uses, I suspect, once you use a credit card to pay for a subscription, they might keep the credit card data on file. And I don't know how you would check if they have it on file.
Or whether you can ask them to delete it, if it is on file.
I mean, you can ask RocketGate to delete your credit card information, but legally, they might have the right to keep it anyway.
I've never used a payment processor to initiate a sub with a porn paysite.
I've used RocketGate in the past.
Some of the sites in the MetArt network use RocketGate, so I assume they are a reputable biller.
I've used RocketGate for years, for 1 or 2 subs. Never had a problem.
So I suggest unticking the pre-checked cross-sale, and sign with RocketGate.
As far as pre-checked cross-sales, almost every porn site I've joined had a pre-checked cross-sale on the join page.
I think I've only found one porn site that did not have a pre-checked cross-sale on the join page: that's one site out of maybe 100 different sites I've joined.
But this is a holiday season (Easter). I suggest looking for a site that is running a holiday discount. There are many that are discounting their regular price. 50 to 75 % off is a great deal.
AdultTime.com is running a special where you get 7 days free, streaming only. Check it out, then if you like the site, cancel the free membership, and join for a discounted price. During the holidays, they often have specials for about $65/year, or $10/month (the $10 might be only for the first month).
Adult Time is a huge network, one of my favorites: low price, quality videos and photos, wide variety of niches.
You need to contact the billing agent and explain the situation: that you are unable to get service, that you cancelled your membership, and are still being billed.
If nothing else, you should not be billed again.
And, you should be able to cancel past payments, if you have an email or documentation that you cancelled your membership.
You didn't specify who the billing agent is.
Look at your credit card statement: that should give you the name of the billing agent, and a contact point (telephone number, web site URL).
Contact the PU staff. They might be able to offer help on the issue. But you will need to give details on the billing agent, and maybe some of your membership details (login name, whatever).
CLICK ON THE SITE LINK, CLICK ON THE JOIN LINK, AND YOU SEE:
"FOR A LIMITED TIME"
"GRAND OPENING SALE"
$19.95/MONTH (RECURRING AT $19.95/MONTH).
GIVES YOU ACCESS TO 30 SITES. ETC.
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