Frosty, I may get some flak for this but I have always thought "Orgy Sex Parties" is the best orgy site out there. It's one of Pink Visual's sites and comes with all the drawbacks and negatives that this newtwork has. I subscribed two years ago to Pink but didn't have an external drive at the time. Shame, cos I got wiped out by a virus and lost all the files. I have never particularly liked Pink but they do have imo some good stuff. There is an abundance of tats and fake breasts on the orgy site, but even so, it's one of the few sites where an orgy is a genuine orgy. I do not call two couples having sex, an orgy. I love orgy stuff, but there is very little out there. The only other good orgy site has about six episodes which are around four years old.
In reality a gun for shooting myself. Probably should choose a porn star so I could eat her if food is unavailable. A book about building a raft would be the nearest. This is the trouble with fantasy - reality always intrudes.
Sorry I cannot help you over dl managers. I never use them, but maybe I should. All I can say is that I could download four videos at the same time, which is double what I am usually able.
It was your comment about some fat ugly guy having sex with innocent young girls that really got me interetsed. I thought that sounded like the site for me. TheSquirrel is beyond help.
Thanks for the reply Denner. Would you believe it was your review of the site that got me interested in the first place?! I know you don't like the network all that much, and you are totally correct about your negatives. It's just it is so different from a lot of the other networks that I just had to try it out for myself.
The owner of Torbe network emailed me to ask me why I had cancelled, and I said because of the poor picture side of things, and the POV was a bit irritating and camerawork was not all that good in places. Also the network is not that large compared to some of the big ones. I said I thought it was worth the month's money but not more.
I would be pleased to recommend it to anyone who just wants to check it out and see. If they are looking for something a little different I don't think they would be that disappointed. There have been very few reviews on this network, and if anyone joins I would be interested to hear what they think. It's just they have to consider Denner's negatives and my negatives before deciding to join.
Another small pro, is that sofcore amateur picture lovers may like that side of things. Most of the amateur pitures are softcore only.
Was a member approx. 1 month prior to this review.
Pros:
Girls seem to be mostly genuine amateurs.
Girls are naturally pretty, shapely and with a refreshing lack of tattoos and fake breasts.
No regional price discrimination.
Good download facilites. No DRM or download
restrictions and downloads are quick.
Good quality on the latest videos of 1280x720
Genuine unusual niche network. A bit different to
the usual cookie cutter sites.
No irritating cameraman or obnoxious male who gets
in the way and is disrespectful to the girls. The
girls are the main focus.
Streaming is available and there is a choice of part or full downloads.
Cons:
Very poor for photo fans.
Vid caps are not downloadable. There are some photo files that are faulty and will not download. For hardcore photo fans most of the sites only have softcore photos. There are only a few hardcore photos on the entire network.
Camerawork and lighting is poor in places.
There is too much POV for my taste. In amateur videos if you like to watch the look on the model's face as she has sex on camera for the first or one of the first tines you will be disappointed when all you see is a close up of the two groins, badly lit and out of focus. This is a shame because one moment you get to see the whole girl having sex and the next you get a dark, blurred POV of two groins.
Quite a few of the sites are small and/or dead.
Not many updates even on the more recent sites.
Some material poor quality, especially older stuff.
Minor niggles are the ads at the bottom of the page in the members area, and also the layout, navigation, and model search aren't that brilliant.
Bottom Line:
This is an unusual site for those who say they are jaded about porn, and is something a bit different. The sites either feature Torbe like Torbe In Russia or Torbe Cz, or for instance Josito's Will, where a guy in a wheelchair has sex with beautiful girls. Torbe Couples features amateur couples having sex. Some sites are a bonus but the emphasis is on genuine amateur girls, and niche sites.
Videos come in Quick Time, Ipod, MPEG, and the top rate is WMV at 1280x270.
When my membership ended a couple of weeks ago they advertised 620 total scenes, 250 models, 15,000 minutes, and 900,000 mb.
The sites featuring Torbe have their own idiosyncracies. There is usually a short interview involving Torbe talking to the model. With Priest Damian this is simply changed to an acting bit where Torbe as Priest Damian talks to the girl. After a few minute there is the strip followed by a few minutes of oral then down to sex about 7 to 15 minutes in. The clips are generally about 20-30 minutes. The camera work is unusual. Sometimes it is stationary at the back of the room and you get to see the whole model having sex from almost a voyeur's point of view. I like that. There are not too many quick movements or flashy camerawork. What I hate are the POV sequences. It is the POV close ups where the picture is quite often dark, blurred, out of focus, or jumping around without any purpose. That is annoying. With amateur girls it is often good to look at the whole girl and the look on their faces when they first start to have sex on camera for the first, or one of the first times.
With the poor POV camera view you just see two groins coming together. Not erotic. The lighting is sometimes a problem in the whole of some of the videos too.
Maybe surprisingly Torbe doesn't get in the way too much or become irritating. Yes he sometimes dresses up with silly false teeth and tries to look as ugly as possible, but he doesn't seem the
slightest bit threatening. He comes across more like Benny Hill than Max Hardcore Once the short introduction is over, and the action starts the
main focus is on the girls rather than Torbe.
Some of the sites are dead or have very few updates and are quite small. Here are some examples of the sites.
Doctor Schmutz 26 episodes between 5th sept 2008 to 12 december 2008. Street Bribes 37 episodes between 23 March 2009 to present. Torbe Cz 21 episodes between 15 january 2009 to present.
Josito's Will 10 episodes between 12 December 2008 to 14 May 2009. Torbe In Argentina 19 episodes between 19 December 2008 to 20 July 2009.
Possibly the biggest disappointment for me was the lack of picture facilities. Quite a few of the zips did not download properly or not at all. The vidcaps are just one screen of many stills taken from the video but cannot be downloaded. There are very few hardcore pictures.
It's a real curate's egg of a site, but certainly worth checking out, because it is very rare to see so many amateurs with an amateur look having sex.
That's a very good and well thought out review. I will be interested to hear what you rhink of the the network as a whole and individual sites on the network. People seem a little divided in their opinions. Wittyguy and Drooler like the network, Denner is not so sure. All have opinions I respect.
Thanks guys. Had a real moral crisis on whether to do the review. Had it completed nearly six months ago and had to go with it now or it would be too late. I hate contributing to a forum that has censorship regarding free material, on the other hand I admit they do a lot of good, and help their members. I can't condemn them too much as they do seem to have a conscience.
It was asmith who said I concentrated too much on tech and not enough on opinion, content, and stuff that couldn't be found elsewhere. In looking back at my reviews I found he was right. My reviews did not explain what the site would be like to a new subscriber. So I wanted to do one that was better.
Added to that there were some things I wanted to say about this site. In my opinion TeenCoreClub has some of the best material on the internet, totally let down by all the negatives. With content of this quality it should be scoring 10 marks higher than the usual 80 something that everyone seems to give it.
I always enjoy what you two, Wittyguy, Messmer, Drooler, Denner, and the rest say. I find myself nearly always wanting to add something, but have stopped myself because of the PU censorship. I know this site does provide a great service for porn lovers so maybe I am being a little unfair. I may be putting in the occasional appearance as PU has always been great fun. Not sure what I should be doing. I know if this site were gone I would miss it, along with all the characters here.
Was a member approx. 6 months prior to this review.
Pros:
Very attractive new models
Good quality pictures and videos
Some good clothed and softcore pictures as well as hardcore
No DRM or download restrictions
Professional non irritating males
Good download speed
No condoms
A lot of action and no talk
Good billing agents. I used CC Bill
but I believe Epoch is also available
Natural girls with very few plastic breasts and
unsightly tattoos
Exclusive content
Cons:
Lousy/non existent customer support
Annoying log in and navigation
Expensive
Few updates
Pictures are not zipped
Relatively few girls with most appearing
on all the main sites of the network.
Bottom Line:
Please note that my membership ended in August.
The network contains 15 sites but only a handful that are top rate. However the top rate ones are superb IMO. They have the freshest and newest performers who are either first timers or very new to porn. The girls are generally very attractive.
One of the advantages of these sites is the great pics of the girls starting from fully clothed and slowly stripping down. There are plenty of pictures of girls fully clothed, partially clothed, nude, then then hardcore scenes. The picture sets usually contain around 600 pics so there are around 100 fully clothed to partly clothed then around 100 posing nude followed by the hardcore stuff. I think the softcore fans would love the softcore pics here. Maybe this angle gets overlooked because the hardcore stuff is extremely hardcore.
The videos start with the guy undressing the girl and getting down to oral followed by sex straight away. Ass Teen Mouth is just that. It contains oral followed by anal. Some of the scenes are choking, but are not particularly nasty or excessive. The picture sets still contain the softcore stripping.
The pictures and videos are nearly all the same style and usually set in the same studio. This could be considered a pro or a con. Personally I like it although it could be considered a little samey. I like it because you know what you are going to get.
Compared to some sites there are relatively few models, with quite a few appearing on different sites.
The male performers do what they are supposed to, and the cameraman keeps out of the way.The males are not irritating.
The material has the freshest faces, captured by professionals with great camerawork and bright lighting which results in high quality videos and photos. Some may consider the results to be clinical but I like that look. There is no plot and no build up in the videos. The model sits on the bed, is stripped by the male and it's straight down to action. No pretence. It's just models being paid to do a job and then getting on with it.
The best quality pictures are 853 by 1280 and the best quality videos are 960 by 540 with bitrate of 3000.
The older material has less high spec.
I think the videos and pictures look great although I understand these specs mean they are not really high definition.
Streaming is available.
Some of the sites have not been updated for a long time, and have low spec material.
Some of the girls are too skinny for my taste.
The bad stuff is that the site is run by people who couldn't care less about their customers. Communication with them is impossible. They never answered any of my emails. The log in procedure is a real pain. There are no zipped pics, which means every one has to be individually downloaded.The whole feel about the place is that it is run by people who have complete and utter contempt for their customers. It has great material let down by typical lousy management.
Okay I'm supposed to be not contributing here anymore because of PU censorship over free material, but I have to comment as I really like American Vice.
Cybertoad I think you'll love this site. It does come down to opinion but I do disagree about some of the things said in the review. The quality of the American Vice videos is IMO, really good. Personally I consider it is at least equal in quality to VideoBox, and is in fact better in one respect. VideoBox does not have correct perspective on some of their videos. So the bodies look really distorted. Unwatchable for me. American Vice gets the perspective right.
There was a comment about mediocre talent. I would certainly say the talent on BrainPass, a site I reviewed recently, is mediocre, compared to the talent on American Vice. The girls in some of the American Vice videos are IMO sensational. The videos are much better, and although BrainPass may have a higher Kb/sec, the original videos are clearly not as good quality as those on American Vice.
There are a number of us here who love American Vice. I know you have the VideoBox groupies, and you have those who are the American Vice groupies, so it's all opinion I guess.
Without a doubt American Vice have the friendliest and best support I have experienced. I compare this to the total lack of customer support and couldn't care less attitude of VideoBox. I guess its clear who I prefer. But I'm not alone. Check out some of the other American Vice reviews. It may give you a clearer picture.
If you want to check out the quality of American Vice, just take up the free video download offer. It's a genuine no strings no dirty tricks offer. See for yourself.
Thank you, I appreciate your comment, especially as I did list a number of negatives. On the other hand I do think there are a number of positives and consider the site is good value at the price available through TBP. I revised the review a number of times to try to get it as accurate as possible. I would add one further positive - No sign up pre checked cross sales, or nasty tricks. In the current climate that is one thing a lot of us appreciate.
I agree with everything you have said. I think your reviews and those of Denner are very accurate. I would not have subscribed if the FirstSexVideo site had not been added to BrainPass. A lot of PU members have been saying how everything looks the same. For me, this is one site that is different and I knew I would like, simply because I enjoy casting and amateur videos. I have seen many of the videos featured on FirstSexVideo 3 or 4 years ago, because they were broadcast on satellite. But it's the sort of thing you either love or hate. If you're not into that sort of thing, which a lot of members aren't as they like the fantasy thing, they are definitely not going to rate it.
I don't review many sites, but I had this one in the pipeline as not many seem to have reviewed it. It's my last review because I feel I should not be contributing to a site that has censorship. I know PU has some good points, and the members are great. It's just on principal I feel uneasy about contributing to a site that has censorship, and talk about free stuff is forbidden and clamped down on. I know there are reasons for this. There's no right or wrong. Just a personal thing. I shall always be checking in here and even making an occasional post if I really think a point needs to be made, but I shall go back to being an observer.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
Great value for money, a lot of content for a low price with a $10 discount for TBP users, resulting in a $19.95 a month sign up fee.
A lot of exclusive content.
No DRM.
No download limits.
No regional discrimination, meaning those of us in Europe are treated equally and do not get ripped off.
Good download speed.
Newer videos are of good quality and can be downloaded whole, rather than small segments. But you can choose between either whole or segments.
A variety of download speeds and therefore quality.
A good variety of vanilla porn sites.
There are pics which can be zip downloaded, although they are not of great quality.
There are quite a few daily updates overall. It's just some sites are basically dead, with no new updates at all.
Once you sign in you do not have to resign in to each separate site, although there is a series of 5 letters you have to fill in every time you visit the site.
Quite good camerawork in that there aren't too many gynaecological close ups.
Cons:
Some really large and irritating watermarks.
The only real amateur site "BrunoB Reloaded" uses condoms for every scene.
Some of the sites are very small.
Some of the sites have little or no updates, nor state when the last update was.
Some of the videos do not have all the scenes available so are not really complete videos.
Some of the older videos do not have complete scene downloads, so they have to be downloaded in 5 minute segments.
Some of the sites are just single model sites.
Some of the sites are just multi sites of the same porn star. For instance Lex Steel.
Some of the material is very samey and there is nothing particularly high class and outstanding.
The photos are low quality, and just vid caps but can be downloaded in zip form. Some of them are very blurred and of low quality. What's more I found some did not unzip totally so I had to download manually. I really do not think the site would appeal to photo fans.
A few too many tattoos and fake breasts.
Bottom Line:
IMO, this isn't really a network, more a series of videos, of which there are plenty. According to BrainPass the figure is 8420 videos and 912 photo sets. I haven't counted them personally but have no reason to dispute their figures.
There is a lot to see and download here, but some of the sites can't even be called sites.
For instance, at the count I made today (my last day of membership - 28 May 2009) "Silverstone Video" only has 107 videos,"The Lucky Man" only has 15, and "Doghouse Digital" only has 41. If that constitutes a "site," then I'm a gay Dutchman, and Drooler is my bitch. It's a bit like going to one of those DVD sites, and instead of referring to them as DVD's or videos, they call them sites instead.
There are WMV streaming segments at 700 kb/sec. I tried these and found them to be reasonable quality.
There are low quality WMV videos at 56 or 128 kb/sec, and MPG videos of 350 kb/sec for iphone and ipod. I have not tried these.
High quality WMV downloads are at dimensions of 720x480 and a bit rate of between 2000 and even up to 5000 kb/sec.
High quality MPG downloads are between 600 and 1000 kb/sec, depending on the site.
Pic dimensions are 720x480.
Although there is a lot of content, the standard and look is very much of a muchness. There is no real high class or outstanding content.
There is no real fetish material, but I don't expect it on this sort of site, so I don't put that down as a "con."
For me the outstanding site is "FirstSexVideo." This may not appeal to some, because the review I read by mbaya is totally accurate. There is a lot of talk leading up to the sex scene, which is not particularly high quality given today's standards. But for me it's a really unusual site in that these are genuine first time models being interviewed, and having sex on camera for the first time.
"The Lucky Man" only has 15 videos but they are at least in the "group sex" category. The one drawback is that most of the girls really do look like veteran porn performers.
With most sites it's usually 3 to 5 minutes of build up, then it's clothes off followed by, as expected, oral, then straight sex, and sometimes anal. OutdoorBackdoor obviously specialises more in anal. They have the cum in mouth type sites too. The main thing is, apart from FirstSexVideo, most of the material is what you would expect. Apart from a few videos where the girls start off totally naked, you mostly have the usual 3 to 5 minutes for a build up. It's then down to action. The girls are generally reasonable looking, not necessarily first division, but maybe second.
Even though I have listed a number of negatives, I really quite liked this site overall. The pros and cons are very similar to a number of other networks. Nothing outstanding but nothing really negative. A lot of reasonable and enjoyable porn, which is quite good fun and gives you hours of viewing, and tons to choose from at a bargain basement pric
This is what they say under the FAQ's about cancelling memebership.
"If you’ve decided to cancel your membership, nothing could be easier. Just click here to advise our support staff. Your membership will automatically be cancelled when the next payment is due"
The implication is obviously that you will have access to the material for a month, as they say your membership will be cancelled WHEN the next payment is due. So you should have full access until then because you are a memeber until then. Get in touch with your credit card company.
I guess it hardly needs to be said that I agree. I think these people need to start concentrating much more on quality. From comments on PU it seems they also need to get some decent customer service, and also stop going down the road of trying to trick people into paying for something they didn't intend to sign up for.
This is true to a certain extent, but I have to say I don't even trust CCBill or Epoch that much either. There is too much that is underhand and has the appearance of being underhand and dishonest, in the internet porn industry. Having said that, I get the impression that CCBill and Epoch seem to be more trusted by members here than most. But if sites do all of those things I mentioned and more, and CCBill and Epoch are their billing agents, what does that say about CCBill or Epoch, and how trustworthy they are? I do agree to a certain extent though.
I used to visit them a lot, but now only occasionally, so I've gone for "sometimes." It's all very well going on about security and not getting or wanting a free meal, but nearly every day on here I read of someone who is
1. Getting increased spam after signing up for a site.
2. Locked out of the site, and customer service doesn't give a shit because once they've got your money they don't care.
3. Magically signed up for something they didn't want, and once again, customer service doesn't give a shit because once they've got your money they don't care.
4. Charged more money than they expected because they're from Europe or non American country.
5. Trying to find a way of cancelling the subscription, but can't, because there's no customer service, mainly because once they've got your money they don't give a shit.
There is also the worry that once you give your credit card details you are in danger of having your details stolen or passed on, because if they are underhand enough to do the other 5, how do you know you're safe in giving them your credit card details? The answer is you don't, so these people have to get their shit together and run a smooth, clean, and totally honest ship. Otherwise people will feel safer tuning into the free stuff, despite the risk of viruses.
I had been thinking about maybe joining, but from reading your review, there doesn't appear to be too much quality here, even though there seems to be quantity. I'm not crazy about the quality of vids from RealSpankings either. In fact fetish material in general seems to be a little behind the rest in picture quality.
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