Was a member approx. 2 months prior to this review.
Pros:
Great customer feel and good reputation. No dirty tricks. You do not find yourself signing up unknowingly for some other site or promotion. Advertising and promotion is mimimal, and they have no download limits or drm.
The proverbial wealth of material is here, going back years, so great value for money.
The girls look for the most part like genuine amateurs rather than porn stars. I would say some have that girl next door look, except she looks and sounds like a rottweiler.
Refreshingly few tattoos, piercings, and fake breasts.
The focus is on the girls. The males are not irritating and do not get in the way. There is no back to front baseball cap, trying to act black, while waving their arms at the camera and yelling "yo" or slapping the girls ass while shouting "whore." Here kid, just hold this pin for a few seconds will you? Oh yeah and the grenade too.
Material is exclusive.
Quality zipped pics.
No choking and spitting, girls treated with respect.
Bonus material from H.A.
Cons:
Biggest negative for me is the real scarcity of hardcore.
Beautiful girls but a disappointing small number of girls outside the white slim category. There are only a few latin, black, or asian girls, and not that many full figure girls.
The look of the site is imo really boring and dreary. The index and home sections just look, well...uninspiring and as exciting as a phone directory. Okay, just my opinion and it is a small negative.
I personally found the navigation hard. It's been mentioned before but it is sometimes difficult to distinguish between the girls, because of the small photos in the uninispiring index, the way they are named, and my cross referencing problems. Others think the navigation is fine, so maybe it's me.
For girls who do both hard and soft, instead of mixing the softcore shoots together with the hardcore ones they are separate, which is a shame because you cannot get a slow strip to naked, softcore poses, then hardcore.
No build up in hardcore videos.
Bottom Line:
Pics are 1001x1500 or 684x1024. Top spec downloadable wmv videos are 960x540 then 640x480.
MP4 streaming.
Regarding navigation, from the index you can choose from categories like "teens, "exotics" "hardcore" or just an A-Z of all the girls in chronological order. You can look up a girl and find the categories they comes under like "teen " or "hardcore" and find all their shoots and videos. I found it really hard to navigate and cross reference, for instance - teen amateur hardcore video.
There are tons of pages but the navigation is a mess with all the material they have.
The naming system and the index are not great and add to the fog of trying to find out what there is, where it is, and who it is. There is a wealth of material but it was a real chore, not a pleasure looking through the site.
The videos and pics have a samey look about them, but are professionally done, with good camerawork and lighting which makes the best of the models.
The videos do not take long to get down to action. There is no real build up, stripping or teasing. Oral is followed by mainly straight sex. Not a lot of anal. The videos show the whole girl as well as the close ups. I hate too many close ups but thankfully the cameraman allows you to see the whole girl while having sex, not just a groin.
The whole style of the photos and the videos is a little old fashioned. I don't mean that in a bad way. It is like it used to be before they started slapping the girl's ass, pulling her face, choking her, and generally doing stuff that made the girl and the porn shoot less attractive. I personally could have done with more anal and more hardcore videos. There is a great shortage of hardcore on the site. Despite that I consider my money well spent. I will probably join Hometown Amateurs at some stage when I can bring myself to brave the navigation problems.
Their videos and pics although not top high res, are still good quality.
The older pics and videos situation is similar to other older sites. They are not up to the quality of the new material and the videos are split into smaller segments. If they had removed all that it would not be noticed as a negative, and some sites do remove it. It cannot be considered a negative because they have so much to see plus you get the old material as bonus. They also update fairly regularly.
For me, the main negative is the scarcity of hardcore material. I have seen other reviews so knew what to expect, but was still a little disappointed. You will notice a lot of my pros are negative negatives along the lines of no download limits and no irritating males, which you would hope most sites wouldn't have anyway. But in the real world a lot of sites get it wrong whereas mostly this site gets it right.
I hope this review stays as the latest review for a while and gets em some customers and isn't replaced by some 3 line newbie review consisting of great videos, great pics, great girls, what more can you ask, 100.
Yeah I'm with you on that one. I thought haven't I heard that name before with regards to bad reviews and dodgy behaviour? Then I checked and saw all the bad stuff that was reported going on. Run run run away. Not touching the place with a barge pole. Thought I'd let a senior member of the forum make a comment before I said something. Good question - so why the sudden change from BP to Greenpeace?
Sounds like a very accurate review given my experience with the organisation. They have some very good material from a year or two ago, but the rest leaves a lot to be desired.
Another great review. I'm always interested in your opinion on any site before I think of joining, especially the teen ones. Thought this site had stopped updating because the home page always looks the same to me, but it appears I'm wrong.
Only down side appears to be that some of the models on here look a little anorexic. Teen doesn't have to mean skinny, but I know that's what it does mean on most sites. Navigation also looks like it gives members a hard time.
Thanks messmer, yes I think you are right on all counts. Good observation.
I would hope anyone thinking about joining their first site would consider this one above others. It's a perfect safe first site, and it's also great to come back to.
Thanks goldfish. I always find that facility useful. They have not only a list of what you have viewed or downloaded, but a still from each clip. Makes it easy to see what you have viewed. It's handy if you want to find a clip you have viewed, or the dvd where it's from, but can't remember the name, or can't find it.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
Great customer service.
No DRM.
No Download limit.
No regional discrimination.
Excellent value.
Picture quality is excellent. They get the video perspective and proportions correct, so people look like people.
3 qualities of streaming available.
Best streaming facilites I have experienced. The new MP4 format is superb. In the UK I am sometimes unable to stream from the hours of 5pm-midnight because of poor speeds. AV gives excellent speed and excellent quality for both streaming and downloads.
You can keep track of what you have downloaded. A personal history of what you have viewed or downloaded is stored for you.
Genuine offer of free tokens for 5 scenes available.
No tricks. There are no buttons you can push that sign you up for some mystery site. Cancelling is easy. They do not try to rip you off.
Excellent navigation.
I found the editors choice for each dvd to be spot on. I nearly always agree with that being the best clip.
Cons:
The only format available for the newer dvd's is MP4 which means their biggest improvement is also a negative, as some people like a choice, and quite a few like wmv to be available. Lack of choice of download formats has always been a negative here.
No pictures.
There is mostly a lack of fetish or niche material or something that is truly original and outstanding. It is mainly cookie cutter bargain basement porn.
There are, as usual, too many girls with tats and fake breasts and a kilo of makeup, looking like pros that have been doing porn for 45 years. This is symptomatic of current porn and especially for this sort of site.
The editorial comments can annoy some people, as they do seem to cater for the less intelligent porn consumer.
Bottom Line:
American Vice is a dvd site, so by it's very nature, the high definition and outstanding original material along with pictures, that a lot of fans crave, is absent here. They can only allow you to access the quality of the original dvd's. This they do, unlike Video Box, which is awful for getting the perspective wrong, so the bodies look distorted.
AV gives a very good speed in the peak hours, here in the UK. On some sites I cannot stream at all from late afternoon onwards. Video Box was impossible to stream, and downloads were the slowest I have ever experienced. It was as though each byte was being individually transported by carrier pigeon, over war torn France.
There are 3 qualities of streaming available, medium, high, and dvd. The dvd quality is very good.
There are 4 qualities of download available, mobile, medium, high, and dvd. Once again the dvd quality is very good.
The customer service is without doubt my favourite on the planet. This is one of the reasons I keep going back. People should not underestimate the good feeling you get from resubscribing to a place, knowing you will get excellent customer service, and not be ripped off.
Like Messmer, I was a little disappointed at the lack of new fetish material or something remarkably different. There has been nothing to match the Black Mirror Productions stuff from a few years ago. There is still some unusual material if you look for it, in fact more than on other dvd sites in my opinion, but like other dvd sites there is relatively little for the fetish fan.
For me the introduction of MP4 has really improved the site. I realise some may not like this format. It gives me great quality. If I join a dvd or video site there is not a lot I will download to keep, so I like a site where I can stream. The ability to stream from AV and the quality of the streaming is vastly improved from when I first joined. I was very impressed when I first saw the quality of the picture compared to before, and also compared to other sites.
At the latest count there are 2527 dvd's available for download. This is less than some dvd sites, but I consider there is a bit more selective quality here. It may be bargain basement material, but some of it is still pretty good. I consider it to have a higher percentage of quality dvd's relative to its stock, than on other dvd sites.
The negatives are inherent to the nature of a dvd site, but are still negatives. Nevertheless, AV gives you the feeling that they care about their customers. They want your money, but they want to earn it fairly by providing the best service they can. This I believe they achieve. For me, this is still by far the best in class, and deserves my highest rating for any site, of 90.
As a late edit I think I have concentrated too much on the negatives. Some of the clips are as good as those from sites making their own material. Lethal Hardcore dvd's appear on here for instance. If you search there is some good stuff.
I'm really sorry this happened to you Ace. I hope somehow it can all be sorted out, enough so that you can get your money back and also that it doesn't happen to anyone else.
In folders by site. Thankfully I do not have so much material I have lost track of what I have on my external drives yet. It's sometimes hard to have the willpower to delete things I am unlikely to view again. The externals have not taken over - yet.
In the spirit of the new PU/TBP friendly squirrel I have decided to be nice from now on. I therefore think the raffle is totally fair. However if I won every week I would consider it to be a lot more fair.
Never considered I would win anything and I was right. It really didn't matter as I contributed for the fun of it. I left the forum without winning anything at all. When I returned I never expected the situation to change. Surprisingly I won my first amount a couple of weeks ago. It was a total surprise. Had no expectations but it was a nice bonus. Always thought the bigger names stood more chance. But then I am conspiracy theorist squirrel.
Conspiracy theorist squirrel to the rescue - TBP marks higher because they earn money every time someone signs up through them. So it makes sense not to mark them too low.
No I never got cheated by another site. This is mainly because of the warnings I have read on here about being signed up automatically any time an unknown link is clicked. It makes me very wary. I suppose being a totally untrusting paranoid conspiracy theorist does have its advantages. I was just too afraid I'd be automatically signed up if I hit one. Think I pressed one of those links by mistake on your site and managed to exit before the page had come up. Spent the next few days checking my card to see if I had been deducted for some unknown reason.
Once again for the record, I like the site and I am pleased you didn't hate the review too much. I would recommend the material to anyone who is looking for something a bit different to the usual cookie cutter porn look. Even 18-19 year olds look professional on a lot of sites, but most of the girls on Torbe do not have that professional look, while at the same time are mostly pretty and natural.
A final for the record - I do tend to believe what you say.
I don't think anyone is trying to make you look bad. The members posting here are long term ones and relaible. I felt really bad that my review should have led to a member being signed up for something without his knowledge. Those ads in the members area are a little annoying and you just don't know what clicking them will lead to. That's why I didn't click them. Sometimes it can be a little unclear which are the bonus sites and which are the extra sign up sites. This is a drawback of having ads in a members' area.
For the record I originally felt good about doing a review because I considered the network brings something different to porn. It's a network that has material I like. I listed the pros and cons in my review. If it leads to people joining I would be quite happy, because imo it is an underrated unheralded site, that has had little publicity. But the negatives are still present. It could be so much better. I would feel awful if someone joined because of my review and it led to them being trapped in a membership they didn't intend to sign up for.
Ooh - now that is downright dishonest and almost laughable. Let's get this right, when you cancel you get a pre ticked box committing you to subscribe to the same network under a different name, for identical material at four times the price of the current membership you are cancelling.
That box is in the middle of the page, but notice how it is obscured when you fill in the reason to cancel box. That's how I nearly missed it.
Now I know I may be a trouble maker but to me that is blatant dishonesty. Come on folks, this has to be stamped out. It's just disgusting.
Did they deduct any money from your credit card without you knowing? Did clicking on the link mean you were automatically signed up? Maybe the email from them should read "gotcha, we have your money there's nothing you can do about it." That would at least be more honest. If clicking the link from Torbe Network automatically signed you up, that is really bad, and I should add that to my review and deduct 5 points, if PU will allow that.
Think Argentina X was at the side of the page from what I can remember. Could never work out what would happen if I clicked it, so didn't. It seems it is deliberate policy to make the borders between what your memebrship buys and what it doesn't, unclear.
What happened ace? There were adverts at the bottom of the members' page. I was a bit worried about those, so didn't click them. Did they sign you up the moment you clicked them? I hope it didn't cost you money. Maybe I should go back and highlight this in my review, and take some marks off for dishonest cross selling. It is difficult to sometimes distinguish between genuine bonus sites which come for free, and those where you accidentally sign up without realising it. It's disgusting behaviour and imo dishonest, because it is deliberate trickery.
I signed up for this site as I like porn.com and the $9.95 is an excellent price. I found the navigation was irritating. For instance I cannot find a dvd section that lists the types of dvd's. To find the ebony dvd's for instance, you have to go to a site that secialises in ebony material, then link to ebony dvd's from there. Same goes for amateur. I had to go to Pornstar Tryouts to link to amateur dvd's. If there is a way around this I haven't found it. Porn.com seems to have a better navigation. Sice they are essentially the same network with the same stuff these idiosyncracies are annoying.
I decided to cancel and then resign up to porn.com for next month. When I linked to the cancel page I found a pre ticked cross sell. It was a free trial and then $34.95 if not cancelled. If I had pressed the cancel membership button without noticing this trick, I would have inadvertently subscribed to a site without knowing it.
It's time sites stopped being dishonest. It is dishonesty because why have the box ticked if it isn't a trick? Why not let the consumer decide for themselves? Network and site management should decide whether they want to be considered honest or dishonest. I feel that this is such a dirty trick that I wont review porn.com because they do not deserve it. I could just give them 50 but that is not solving anything or giving an honest review. It's a shame they have to stoop to being dishonest because they have some good material at a bargain price. For me it's one of the best deals on the internet with the TBP sign up discount.
I say to all you con artist management out there - stop these practices. We are weeding you out gradually. Decide what side you want to be on - the honest or dishonest. The dishonest should be persona non grata around here. It's time sites who have the pre checked cross sales are not linked to, or are placed in their own category - the customer beware category.
I am so disgusted with them trying to rip me off I may not subscribe to them for a second month. I hate people who try to con me.
I know ace, it's time I got up to date. I only just got into external drives a year ago thanks to advice on here, now I love them. I'll have to check out some threads about favoured dl managers.
Have to agree with you Denner. For me this is the most overrated site out there. I prefer the quality and customer service of American Vice as a DVD site. If I were to look at a second choice DVD only site it would be VideosZ. I found the download and streaming speeds were ridiculously low on VideoBox. Members continually talk about the poor customer service and all the negatives you have mentioned here, yet other PU members still love the place. Oh well, just a matter of taste I suppose. I also think sites like 21st Sextury and Porn.com provide the same sort of stuff but in a different way, and as an addition, you get pictures with those sites.
A lot of the stuff is recycled. For instance the Pornstar Tryouts videos have material from 4 or 5 years back and have it down as new. The Bree Olson video has been labelled as "added yesterday." A few days ago it was supposed to be added last year. Last year I downloaded it as a clip from I think 2006 or thereabouts.
But there is still stuff that is surprisingly good. The pictures are quite good for a cheapo site too. If I ever find that perfect site you have been looking for I shall notify you immediately. You might think it would be easy to find, but it isn't!
I really like the site because the material is great value. But all that you say is what I have found too. I am willing to put up with the negatives because the price and material, when you can access it, is outstanding value.
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