I’m always happy to help a fellow PU. One thing you should be aware of is that things may be a bit different because I’m in Canada. I think the biggest difference is that you seem to have a lot more options. But having said that, I think that the option I used is probably a good choice when dealing with shady billers.
I considered using a virtual card but I couldn’t find any that were available in Canada. I tried signing on to a US provider but the transaction failed because of my out-of-country address. I tried using an American address but that didn’t line up with the address on my credit card so that was declined. Back to the drawing board…
I then looked at a buying a physical card that I could reload when needed. I didn’t have a lot of luck there either and the fees seemed to be high as well. In hindsight though, this would have been a bad option since the card number would remain active so if I loaded it with money at the same time a shady biller tried to take a recurring charge for a cancelled membership then I’d lose that balance.
So what I ended up doing is walking into a store and buying a pre-paid Visa card. I buy them with a preset value of $50 CDN and I do that specifically for a reason. I do have to pay a fee up-front at purchase. The card costs me roughly $55. There are monthly fees but I never plan to have a balance on any of the cards for more than a month anyway, hence the $50 card.
So using Bruce and Morgan as an example, the membership was $25 USD (I think). Since my card was in CDN funds there was an exchange rate and think the card charges an additional 5% on top of that for ‘foreign’ purchases. I may be off here, but I think the total debit from the card was around $35 CDN. A day or so later I was in the grocery store to get a few things and I used the balance on the card for that. Well, there may be like 90 cents on it but I consider that as part of the cost of using it for this purpose. So that card is officially dead now. I don’t have to worry about an unwanted rebill and I don’t have to worry about fees.
The logistics of the card I use is probably the same everywhere. There is a website and it said to wait 24 hours before registering the card. I waited and then went online and registered the card. The first time I did that it seemed pretty simple. I went to join a site and the transaction was declined. It turns out that to use the card online you need to do a more complete card registration so that the transaction is linked to an address. That doesn’t bother me. Any eyes on my finances know that I’m a porn collector. And with the card registered it’s easy to check the balance.
You and I think a lot alike. I did some digging on Centrobill too and there isn't much positive to say about them. A Google search of “Centrobill fraud” turns up lots of pages. The main complaint is exactly what many of us here have reported: memberships can’t be cancelled and recurring charges just go on and on with some people having to cancel their card just to get the charges to stop.
One other thing I noted here at PU and on another forum is that searching for “Centrobill” brings up something odd. I guess I didn’t search it here at PU but I remember it happening. I did search on the other forum and found the same thing. When there were members complaining about Centrobill there were a few responses from other ‘members’ who praised them. But these ‘people’ only ever had one post on the forum.
Also like you, several weeks ago when TBP listed Bruce and Morgan and I wanted to join I looked for a way to contact the site directly to tell them that I’d be a member immediately after they got a reputable biller. But like you, I couldn’t find any link that didn’t go directly to Centrobill.
Maybe I’m just giving Bruce and Morgan the benefit of the doubt, but I suspect that as a small site with not a lot of resources they went with the lowest cost biller and have no idea that their biller might actually kill their site. But I say that also knowing that bigger sites like German Goo Girls and 666 Bukkake also use Centrobill and they ought to know better.
Necessity is the mother of invention so knowing that I really, really, really wanted to join Bruce and Morgan I got a $50 CDN pre-paid Visa card. It took 24 hours to become active and then I just needed to register it and within minutes I had a B+M membership. With fees and converting to USD I had a balance left on the card of about $11 so the next time I stopped in to the grocery store I spent that. The card has nothing on it now.
The pre-paid card was a bit of an eye-opener for me. I’d never used one before and it is really easy. I’ll continue to use my normal card for sites and billers that I know and trust but finally taking the plunge with a pre-paid card has allowed me to join other sites that bill through Centrobill. I’ve wanted to join a site called Jay’s POV (https://jayspov.net/ don’t go to .com. There is an older site with that address but it isn't the one I wanted to join) to get scenes with Cadey Mercury and Lily Adams so I was able to do that. I also joined German Goo Girls with a pre-paid card.
I see that Centrobill also has an address here in Canada. I think it’s in Montreal. I think pat362 is from the area and it’s an 8 hour drive for me. Maybe I’ll drive to Montreal and pat and I can go to the address and kick some ass.
If your Centrobill experience was like most of us you just couldn't cancel a membership. Thy have no self-serve way to cancel so emailing them is the only option. But the email never gets a response. Someone here found a super-secret email that actually works. I think if you search Centrobill in the forum you'll find it in there somewhere. The best solution, in my opinion, is to use a pre-paid card. It's a hassle and has fees, but I've already spent the remaining value of the card so if I can't cancel I won't care. I do plan to try cancelling though just to see if it's as bad as ever.
I was hoping you'd see the review since you're PU's resident expert in all things like this. The site name gives no idea of the content but every scene has Morgan getting a golden shower. She's gorgeous and obviously loves watersports.
Let me know what you think if you decide to join.
Remember though - the biller is shady so use a throw-away card.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- 60 videos
- Updating with one scene added per week
- Unique niche – fun (not dominant) watersports
- Facials and cum eating
- Beautiful model
- Amateur site with a high quality professional look
- Model is having fun and it shows
- Some public shoots
- Photos available
- Allows download managers
Cons:
- Bills through a biller that has a history of problems
- Model wears a small mask in all the videos
Bottom Line:
WARNING!!! This site bills through a biller that many of us here, me included, have had problems with in the past. The complaint is that memberships are impossible to cancel. I haven’t tried cancelling yet but if there are improvements I’ll post a comment. But… if you want to join this site just use a pre-paid credit card and have insufficient balance on it when your renewal comes. Seriously, unless this biller has changed, you do not want to give them an actual credit card number.
Some sites are easy to describe but this isn't one of them. First, is this an amateur or professional site? It looks ‘amateur’ because the same couple records their exploits using POV and tripod cameras but the quality of the videos and website gives it a professional feel too. The videos are well shot, lit and edited. Morgan (who wears a small mask over her upper face in all the videos) is a beautiful, petite early-to-mid-20s woman with shoulder length brown hair. Even with a mask covering half of her face it is easy to tell that she is very beautiful. We never see Bruce’s face, but what we do see indicates that nature has been very generous to him. The couple shoots somewhere in Europe and sounds like they have a French accent though both speak English in the videos (when they speak at all).
A secondary niche is facials and cum eating. Most of the scenes have this as well and often in conjunction with pee drinking. It is fair to say, however, that this is a watersports site with some cum play. It isn't the other way around.
I should add that while the mask may be a deal-breaker for some, I don’t find it distracting at all. Sure, I’d prefer no mask, but I can live with it.
The porn on offer isn't mainstream hardcore. It appears that there are only a couple of scenes with actual sex in them though many of the scenes have Morgan giving a blowjob as well. The focus of the site, however, is watersports. The site claims a bit of D/s play and there is some of that, though it should be noted that it is obvious that Morgan loves watersports. Morgan gets peed on in most of the scenes and also drinks lots of it. Morgan gets peed on in private and in public places. One scene has her drinking pee, giving head and taking a facial on a bus. This doesn’t look staged.
If you aren't a fan of watersports it may be hard to fathom this, but while there are some sites that use it as a tool of domination on submissive women who may or may not like being peed on, this site features a woman who is clearly into this fetish. I think it adds an extra element to the scenes to see how much fun Morgan is having.
Given that each scene focuses on watersports it shouldn’t be a surprise that most scenes are relatively short. The average scene length is about five minutes. The good news is that the files sizes aren't huge, even for the best resolution.
There are currently 60 scenes available although two of those are compilation scenes. The site doesn’t include upload dates but does say the scene was loaded X weeks or months ago. It appears that the site is approximately a year old and, more important, adds a new scene each week.
Each scene is available in streaming (which starts automatically) and in four MP4 resolutions: 426x240 (525 kb/s), 852x480 (1500), 1280x720 (2800) and 1920x1080 (5000). I downloaded the 1080p files and find they look crisp.
Photos are also available as singles and zips and this is a rare site that might interest both photo and video collectors. Photos are 1920x1080. I didn’t look at many of them but I suspect they are screenshots.
I had no problems using a download manager but given the size of the files that isn't really required. I did find that download speeds were about 25% slower than I’m used to but still within the range of usual.
One final note: I didn’t take the problematic biller into account when scoring the site. I know some may disagree with this choice but I think it’s fair because there is a simple and workable solution to get around the that problem. Once a member eliminates the billing problems through a pre-paid card I think the site should be assessed on its own. I should also point out that even though this is a small site I give them a lot of marks for their work. I have no problem giving a small amateur site good marks because they compete in a different field from the big players.
This site is obviously too narrow a niche to be for the average porn collector, but if you like watersports I highly recommend taking a look at this site. Watersports takes the centre stage with a beautiful young woman who clearly enjoys what she’s doing. The site has enough variety to keep things interesting with some scenes indoors, some outdoors and even some in public. I’ll likely join again as the site grows.
After seeing some of their preview videos a couple of weeks ago I really wanted to join their site but with Centrobill as the only billing option it just isn't going to happen. I suspect other billers may charge the site more but it would be worth it.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- 12 Videos
- Fresh, A-list models
- Some element of public nudity / sex
- Can be joined as part of a network
- Rough sex, bondage
- Good acting
- Discount if joined through the network
Cons:
- Hasn’t updated since May 2016
- Very little scene variation
- Likely too rough for many porn buyers
- Stand-alone site is more expensive than the network
Bottom Line:
Make no mistake that this site is definitely not for everyone. Even if you like D/s and BDSM scenes from sites like Kink this site takes the fantasy to an extreme by playing it as if there is no consent, at the beginning at least. (The possible exceptions with Kink would be Bound Gangbangs and Hardcore Gang Bang where the fantasy is also forced sex.) I have to confess that as someone who often likes these scenarios, this site made me a bit uncomfortable. But that’s as much the quality of the acting as the forced-sex scenario.
The scenario used in each scene follows the same formula. I’m usually willing to live with scenario-based porn when the basis for it really doesn’t allow a lot of variation. For example, if you subscribe to a massage site there is little variation possible. It would be like the recent stepfather and stepdaughter scenes all starting with the stepdaughter wanting to model an outfit. The ‘step’ premise allows for many variations. That’s the problem with how the scenes are set up on Brutal Pickups: there are other possible variations but the same one is used, often with no modification. The scenes start on a dimly lit Miami street at nighttime and we see a creepy looking guy standing in the shadows. No one in their right mind would approach this guy in these circumstances but along comes a scantily-clad 18-20 year old who happens to be lost and needs some help. Hello? My recommendation is flagging down a police car rather than seeking assistance from a guy who looks like he just go released from prison that morning!
As you can imagine, this shifty looking young man helps our damsel in distress and faith in humanity is restored. Or not. What really happens is a forced-sex scene with bondage.
As the scene progresses the female models begin to play it differently. She begins to play it as if she’s enjoying it and by the end of the scene she’s a willing participant. (I should also add, that like most other sites that make porn like this there is an interview with the female model after the scene where she makes it abundantly clear that she fully consented to everything.)
If there is a positive element to how these scenes are played it is that the actors tend to play the roles well. There is an inherent creepiness to the whole business. In a good way.
The female models are some of the newest of the A-list girls in the business. Having models like Jojo Kiss, Anya Olsen and Gina Valentina really adds value to the site.
As an aside, a complaint I have about this site, and most of the sites on this network, is the utter lack of anal scenes. It seems to me that this premise lends itself well to including some anal sex.
I wouldn’t suggest to any prospective member that this site should be classed as a public nudity or public sex site but there are elements of those here. As someone who likes that rare niche it does add heat to the scenes. The scenes begin on the streets of Miami with cars driving by. The model is pulled just in off the street, bound and fucked in a way that in many cases it’s obvious that there is some risk of getting caught.
The obvious downside to the site is that it is small, with only 12 scenes, and it hasn’t updated since May, 2016. I think a reasonable interpretation is that the site is dead. While that’s bad, there is a silver lining. While the site alone is a $39 fee, if you join the network (Fetish Network) you get all the sites for the TBP discounted price of $29. But as networks go this one doesn’t offer a lot of variety and many of the sites haven’t updated in years.
Like the other newer sites on the network this one has three download resolutions. This is a big improvement over what some of the older dead sites offer. There is “Hi” (1920x1080, 8000kb/s), “Medium” (1280x720, 6000kb/s) and “SD” (854x480, 2000kb/s). Framerates are 23fps on all of those. I downloaded the 1080p scenes and subjectively they look good. They are crisp and show no obvious pixilation.
I’m going to do something unusual for a review and not make or deny a recommendation because I think the scenes here will appeal to such a narrow group of porn buyers that the cost and value-for-money proposition aren't really relevant. The scenes are a bit creepy, they’re well-acted and they have some hot models. But on the other hand there are only 12 scenes. I’m glad I joined and if the site ever adds new scenes I’ll likely rejoin. If you’re tastes run to this niche you should have a look.
I've joined Burning Angel a few times in the past after I discovered that I like some tattooed models. My impressions have always been similar to the questions you've raise - why are the male models often so unattractive and why do we assume that just because a woman has tattoos and piercings that she's into rough sex? I really don't get the latter question at all.
I also fully agree with you that if you look past the tattoos and generally weak plots this is just a regular hardcore site.
One advantage that they do have though is that they often feature models who don't do a lot of work on mainstream sites.
I started a thread in the forum on this very thing (https://www.pornusers.com/forum/forum_th...d.html?threadid=4131). Burning Angel is a Fame site and while they make it easy to join they certainly make it a thorough pain in the ass to cancel. You can do it online but they make that hard, and the fact that you couldn't find out how demonstrates that. I always retain the confirmation email because that will direct you to one of several site that the company uses for cancellation purposes. Once you go to the right site then you start a complex process. Fame has some great site so I really don't understand why they need to make is so hard for members to come and go.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- Large site
- Updates regularly
- Good variation in body types
- Variation in level of tattoos and piercings
- Class-leading video quality in newer videos
- Many download options
- Streaming available (with options)
- Supports download managers
- Fans of Joanna Angel should definitely join – lots to see
- TBP discount
Cons:
- No zips for pics
Bottom Line:
The first time I joined this site I surprised even myself as I’m not a big fan of tattoos and piercings. Or so I thought.
The site seems to be quite a bit different now than the last time I reviewed it. Back in 2009 when dracken commented on it, and even as recently as a year ago when I reviewed it, the site had a ‘community’ feel to it, like it wasn’t necessarily a professional porn site but a site owned and run by people into this lifestyle. (That was and still is highlighted by the obvious connection that Joanna Angel has with this site. Any of her fans NEED to get a membership here.) The site still has that feel to it with the blogs, a forum, event listings and chats, but it is clearly more ‘professional’ now.
The last time I reviewed the site it was broken down into several sub-sites. Those are listed in my previous review if you’re interested in seeing what those were. Those divisions seem to be gone now in favor of putting all the videos up on the main page and relying on a pull-down menu to sort by niche. This may be a personal thing, but I prefer the new way: all the scenes are right there and there are convenient ways to sort by star or niche.
The site is part of the Fame Digital family of sites. In my opinion, Fame has the porn Midas touch in that they nail the Holy Trinity for porn sites: the porn is incredibly hot with high production values, the site is well organized, and the porn is easy to access for streaming or downloads. The only caveat with Fame is that you need to track which of their billing companies you paid through because you’ll need to know that when it comes time to cancel.
Another way the site is different now is that they use a look more common to other Fame sites: the scene thumbnail opens into a page where all your options for streaming and downloads are in sub-menus. If you’re familiar with any of Fame’s sites you’ll realize that this is both intuitive and easy to use. Also like other Fame sites, this one offers some of the widest choices for streaming and downloads. Other porn companies need to copy this. The oldest videos on the site date from 2008 and are available for download in either WMV or MP4 in 160p, 240p, 360p and 480p. Obviously these aren’t great, but they look okay and they were great when they were uploaded. The really good news, however, is that like most Fame sites, this site jumped into HD early: videos uploaded as early as mid-2009 offer both 720p and 1080p in MP4 format. This was way ahead of the curve for most adult sites in 2009. The icing on the cake is that however fame encodes its scenes, in either 720 or 1080 they look amazing. Some sites offer 1080 that still looks pixilated. Please Fame, if you’re reading this please offer encoding lessons to other sites. Or just buy them out.
I downloaded the 1080p versions and those come in at 1980x1280 and 6800kb/s bitrate.
The site currently has 719 scenes of varying length. The scenes run the gamut from solo, POV, b/g, group, g/g, anal; in other words, just what you’d expect from an adult site. The models also have some variation so depending on the look you like you’re apt to find lots to satisfy you. The site updates frequently and regularly with several scenes being added weekly.
If the site has one glaring fault it’s that pics are still not offered in zips. I know this is primarily a video site, but for those who like to collect photos of their favorite models it would be a good idea to offer zips.
Download managers are supported and like other Fame sites this one has resolved the issue of short-duration time-outs. Links don’t last forever, but they will last about an hour and that is a huge improvement over what was offered even a year ago.
So that leaves dealing with the 800lb gorilla in the room: that the models don’t sport a mainstream look. If that is an absolute deal-breaker for you, then there is no way you’d like this site. If, however, you have even a remote interest in this niche then I highly recommend checking this site out. The models are all really beautiful and but for the tattoos and piercings they look like the beautiful models that work in other parts of the porn industry. There are varying levels of body modifications too: not all the models are heavily tattooed and pierced; some are very light on both. Katie St. Ives, for example, is on this site and I doubt many would consider her a niche model.
The bottom line is that just in the past year this site has made some changes that, while subtle, have made a great site even better. It’s a large and growing site that offers excellent quality (in production values and in how they look on your monitor or TV) at a discounted price and features unique-but-beautiful models. What’s not to like? I highly recommend joining.
fair comment, Divinx. I didn't spend any time with the forums so I can't really comment on those. I think what I meant (and admittedly didn't say clearly) regarding this being a conventional porn network is that I was expecting something different, and I suspect my own biases caused that misconception. What I meant is that since I had very little history with goth/punk/emo porn I was expecting something out there, pushing the envelope. What I was expecting I'm not sure, but what I got was some very good 'normal' porn.
And I agree that the female talent seems to really enjoy their work here, so that can be differnt from other sites.
You and I have a lot of similar tastes so my guess is that you'd like this site too. There is a lot of Joanna Angel stuff on the network. She also does a lot of anal here too.
Nope... the next thing might be acceptance of boob jobs. I was watching a Madison Scott scene earlier today and found myself okay with her massive pump-up - from A to DD. But I don't think that I'll be heading off to any big-breast sites (real or fake) any time soon. The tattooed models that I like are still young and petite.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- There is a cross-sell on the sign up page but it isn’t pre-checked
- Bills through CCBill
- Great chance to see some new models
- Many familiar porn models appear
- Many download options for newer videos
- Supports download managers
Cons:
- No zips on pics
- Pics relatively low resolution
- No search function
- No specific tags
Bottom Line:
I have to confess that I never expected to be writing a review of a site featuring models with tattoos and piercings, Goth models, punk models and others along that theme. I’m as anti-tattoo as the next guy, except that it turns out I’m not. I’m still anti-tattoo and piercing unless the model goes all the way.
The biggest surprise for me was how conventional the porn here actually is. I don’t know what I was expecting, but whatever it was I was wrong. This is a typical porn network that just happens to showcase models with a look that is slightly out of mainstream.
The main page is laid out as you’d expect with any network: there are tabs for going to pictures, videos, the individual sites, or sorting by model. One choice conspicuous by its absence is a search function. If it exists on the network I haven’t found it yet. (This lack of search is further worsened by the lack of scene tags. Tags exist, but are too broad to be of a lot of use in specific searches.)
The network is made up of eight individual sites. (Cum on My Tattoo, Fuck me in the Bathroom, Heavy Metal Pussy Party, Joanna Angel, POV Punx, Punk Porn, Punk Schoolgirls and Big Boobs are Cool – I’ll post some stats as a comment on each site’s PU page.) While several of the sites have a reason for being stand-alone, several others could just as easily be grouped together. This is neither positive or negative, it’s just a fact.
Each site is laid out in the same way: the site opens into a page where there are thumbnails for 20 scenes per page. Under each thumbnail is some basic information about the scene, including a scene name, the genre (girl/boy, solo, etc.), the running length, user ratings and the female star.
When you select a scene you get a larger thumbnail and four small thumbnails to give you some idea of what’s in store. Each scene has multiple options for downloads. You can download a trailer, the full scene or the full scene broken down into parts. I have to question the value of offering the scene in parts in 2012, but maybe there are still people with slow internet connections. For each of those options there are usually some choices for file type and resolution. MPEGs are offered (in resolutions up to 1400x800 – 5000kb/s and 24fps – depending on the upload date, of course), as are WMVs in high and low resolutions and a mobile version. These options decrease as you get into older files. Prior to 2010 MPEGs weren’t offered but Quicktime files were. The oldest scenes on the network, which date back to 2007, are often only available in one resolution and only in WMV. The resolution on the oldest scenes is low at 480x360, 1800kb/s and 30fps.
This is being a bit picky, but the way the download options are laid out with the trailer as the first option made it too easy to select that instead of the full scene. It didn’t happen to me, but it required that I pay more attention than I’d normally do when just downloading porn. Even having a trailer as a download option seems odd to me, but at least they could put it lower in the option list.
The site supports download managers and I had no problem with the links timing out.
The network bills through CCBill so you have confidence in that. There is a cross-sell, but it isn’t pre-checked.
If the site has a major flaw it is how they provide pictures. I don’t normally download photos but in this case I was looking forward to doing so. I had flagged several models that I really liked that are rare on more mainstream sites and wanted photos too. I was disappointed to see that zips aren’t available and that even if they were, the resolution isn’t great. The newest photos are 1080x720. I know that isn’t bad, but they could be better. Older photos are obviously a lower resolution. I gave up on getting photos since having to save each one individually seems like too much work for porn. The lack of zips really needs to be addressed.
I know this is highly subjective, but I found most of the models on the site to be very attractive. I do question why some models appear on the site though. Katie St. Ives has a few scenes here and I’d not normally think of her when I think tattoos, piercings, Goth or punk. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll take any of Katie’s scenes when I can get them, but it just doesn’t seem to be a good fit.
Dracken posted a comment back in ’09 that the network appeared to be a ‘community’ site for people who like the Goth / Punk / etc. look and lifestyle. That is true. There are blogs and forums for the look, the music and the life. I’m only interested in the naked chicks so I really can’t comment on the non-porn parts of the network.
The bottom line is that this is an excellent network. It is well laid out, easy to use and offers some great porn. If you’re like me and want to push your porn boundaries a bit then I’d highly recommend starting with Burning Angel. The models are beautiful and the scenes are hot.
This is a great review, and not only because you saved me some money. I had never heard of this site before reading your review but by the name alone it is something I'd be interested in. The preview pages make it look like a great site. Based on that I'd probably join - and be dissatisfied. I regret that you had to be the Guinea Pig here, but thanks for steering me away from this site.
Thanks! (Apart from decency we do share some other common traits. Like being Canadian and being the same age. I remember reading your posts early on and thinking 'could this guy be my long-lost brother???' :-)
Thanks for that additional information. I suspect that after I looked at the other company sites and realized that I don't know any of them after years of porn buying that would be another red flag. Anal, butt-centric or not, I'll stay away.
Please allow a wee rant: I visited this site because, well... it's an anal site and I like those. I visited because I might consider joining. The main tour page is pretty generic and doesn't fill me with a burning desire to join so I clicked on the link for 'Girls' to see who is on the site. If it has some models I particularly like my credit card might come out immediately. But no, that link takes me to the 'Join' page and doesn't give me any hint of the models on the site. Likewise with the "Videos" link. Join page again... no information on videos.
I can't be the only porn buyer who would like a bit more information before I pull out my credit card. There isn't even enough information to compel me to take a risk and join.
No need to explain, I understood what you meant. And I agree that Stagliano was able to produce bum-oriented movies that still focused on the who woman - including her personality. A lot of modern directors don't or can't do that.
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