I think there's a big fine line with it.
Some of the first porn I remember watching online was supposed to be white women who were cheated on and a group of 3-4 black guys would go to her house, tie her husband/boyfriend up and make him watch them have sex with her. They had a believable setup but really, would a man who was "beaten", tied up and forced to watch not call the police afterwards or look for his own revenge? I'm pretty sure the guys in this were from what we now know as Dogfart. And if it didn't become unbelievable enough, they always made sure the white guy was a southern type, confederate flag shirt on and so on.
The newer kind I've seen, it's often a woman who was cheated on by her husband then she calls her hot friend to come over and they make a video of their wild night of lesbian sex. It's filled with quotes like, "See, if you hadn't cheated, we were going to give you a threesome." Which I think implies she was already having the lesbian sex or that they were planning it.
The closest I've seen to very believable is the kind that look like an amateur video, camera bouncing every which way and I don't think any of those are on legitimate porn sites.
I don't usually find the thought of it as a turn-on. But if I do, I just use my imagination.
I think you might be thinking too much. In my reviews, I try to include options and advice for everyone not just experienced porn users. Have to remember a lot of the newer porn users are still getting so excited they are falling for cross sales, so there's no way they're going to remember a process to get to the secondary biller. I will tell you this, Bang Bros is getting smart to it. I already had a membership to Bang Bros and was trying to add the upgrade package. They took me to a payment page, I did the wrong expiration date trick and they booted me back out. It gave me a page about calling to upgrade my membership across the phone. A customer service rep is the one who gave me the advice on using a prepaid card. He said when a person joins a recurring membership site, the biller has no way to know how much money is on the customer's card but that the biller knows if the card can be charged again when it recurs. He said to get a prepaid card with the exact amount of a subscription plus 1 cent. That 1 cent is enough to fool the biller into thinking it's a debit card and not a prepaid card.
Several examples:
One of my all-time favorite models has always been known as "April Flowers" to me but Vivid has shortened her name to just "April", do you know how many models there are named April (something)?
Another Vivid though not as common of a name is Raylene. I do know there's a Raylene Richards in porn who isn't the same as VividRaylene and they're both busty, curvy, models.
We also had that phase where models were being named Indya and Chyna. Had to study a map to figure out who was who.
I checked on the Team Skeet upgrades, by accident, I clicked on a Family Strokes scene which is in the upgrades. The pricing to add those looks unusual. It offered me three options:
Add Family Strokes for $18
Sign up for Family Strokes and Team Skeet for 365 days for $9.95 a month
Add Team Skeet Upgraded for $8.95/mo for a year.
I feel more confused than I was. Looks like the best deal would be to add upgraded for a year but I wouldn't do that. I could download everything in the upgrades in less than a month.
I think my reviews were getting stale and redundant, tried to throw some humor in, glad it worked. I usually run out of characters and have to cut parts out to make the character limit and the humor parts are the first to go. I hadn't seen that topic but will post on it. I use several different techniques to help when I get bored with porn. Part of what helps me currently is I don't have the time I used to have and its caused me to change how I browse, choose what to download and what to watch. I used to be able to rely on one model like Eve Angel to snap me out of a porn rut but now it's more based on certain niches. I'll post on that topic in the forum. Thanks for the compliments.
The upgrade sites mostly update every other week, the two most popular, Family Strokes and Sis Loves Me are updating once a week but I still don't know if you get all the upgrade sites for $18 or if you have to pay $18 for each. Each one has a button that says, "Upgrade now for $18". I've been burned too often by those type of buttons. I did join Family Strokes a few months ago and it was a full-paid site with no bonus sites. I don't think any of the sites would be worth $18 each, Family Strokes has the most content of the upgrade sites and it only has 147 scenes. Most are under 100 and a handful are under 50. I will say those upgrade sites seem to have more time put into the scenes, the stories, the length of scenes, the more niche-style content like mutual masturbation leading to someone walking in and turning it into an threesome.
Looking at all the sites, Team Skeet as a whole averages 1 update per day across the network. The updates section is a Team Skeet update then one of the upgrade site's update, so it should be the same frequency as a whole. I agree on the Black Valley Girls, it looks like they've just put a certain uniform type outfit on each and are claiming Valley Girls. Oye Loca review should be up in the next few hours.
I think back around 2000, basing that one who I was in a relationship with at the time, I walked into a very busy mainstream video rental store with the intentions of buying a porn VHS that was "The Best of Vivid" it came with two VHS tapes, nearly 8 hours. They had a rack of plastic carry bags to put porn in so other customers wouldn't have to see the nude covers on the boxes. No bags on the rack. I still had my nerve up and that rush that came from buying porn tapes. I went into the back room and picked it up. Walked to the register with it against my side. The lady rang it up. This was back when check/debit cards were first becoming common. I handed mine to her. She says, "Uh-Oh, our reader can't read this." The tape laying there on the counter for all other customers to see. Luckily, I had some cash with me, it was something like $45 with tax. My then wife said she didn't like porn. Until she saw The Watcher series. I bought 5 of those directly from a mail order catalog at the video store. Featured on the best of were all those I named off in the review. And one of the other big selling points to me were the anti-facial cumshots. I've noticed that women prefer those. Sadly, when we got divorced, she threw them in the dumpster lol.
I think political discussions are a bad idea.
I think members hijacking a thread to turn a discussion into something much more political is a really bad idea.
I think members not having respect for other members opinions is where things get off track.
But no, I don't think political discussions should be banned.
It kind of reminds me of the gay reviewers we have had on here and the straight reviewer who liked transsexual porn and reviewed transsexual sites. You can see that none of them are active anymore. It's an unenviable situation to be on a forum or site that allows freedom of expression because so many people, especially Americans, don't think those who are different than them should have freedom of expression.
But, as Khan used to say, most of us members land on the pornusers (dotcomslash) home site. We don't see the PU agreed 7 rules that we saw the first time we came here. Those are at pornusers.com and he always pointed out #5.
"5. I believe in the freedom of expression provided for in the Constitution of the United States of America."
I think that answers if anything should ever banned. Members are supposed to agree to those 7 rules before entering.
Forgot to say, there's also an European version on Cum Louder called, Latin Asses in Public. Cum Louder has changed a lot and it's kind of hard to find but it's under "sites" in the preview. They seemed to knock off nearly every popular niche site from Bang Bros and Brazzers.
That's one of the old hidden gem sites. I checked my folder just to see and I actually have 74 videos from Asses In Public. I remember they had to remove a bunch of them. When it was running full-speed, I honestly thought it would end up being one of the greatest porn sites.
My uncle lived with us. We had this VCR that he acted like was a pot of gold. It was a Beta and he had 6-8 Beta porn tapes. Which is why it was a pot of gold. He didn't have any other porn and had to keep the Beta player protected to watch them on. Of course, once I figured this out he bribed me with full access to it anytime I wanted to use it if I didn't tell my mom.
This is in addition to my review. This network made me wonder how often someone monitors their ads. I currently have a Black Friday ad on it and a July 4th ad on it lol.
I decided to add this comment because I honestly started the review as a 58. I either thought I heard they were back to offering downloads or saw it in a promo but I was very disappointed to know I paid a near premium price for a site that doesn't offer downloadable videos. After I looked through their content, I realized this is fairly unique content, especially the public scenes. Back when I originally reviewed this network a lot of the sites now on it weren't around and I gave it a 93 back then. The more I thought about buying the $9.95 VIP access to get the downloads, I think the quality of the content made it not as big of a deal since it's only $9.95. All I could have done with that is join another cookie-cutter site. I believe it's worth the extra and really wonder if maybe this is the future?
If you had joined it and didn't like the look of the content once inside you wouldn't have to pay for the downloads. I personally don't like it and would just offer everything at one price. If they got rid of Pro-Biller (they won't) and didn't make members pay a second time for downloads, I really could see this network reaching 100. Hopefully, I can everything downloaded that I want in a month.
It's good to see a poll from an old member who hasn't been around for awhile. I picked "other" because I think my reviews are good for information, especially unbiased information but I think they're bad for the scores. A 75 would be average for most reviewers but my average is 85. This is how I write my reviews:
Facts: Content count, update frequency, highest video resolution and an in-general date for how long they have had that option, if they have pictures and if they're downloadable, my tested download speed, number of models, race/shape of models. Type of content like solo, hardcore, etc.
Sort of facts: Potential recycling, if things are offensive (subjective word but if it's offensive to me it's a sort of fact). The site's ethics in billing.
Not facts: My opinions about a site's webmaster being stubborn and my score.
I always have tried to give a person a list of facts for them to focus on those and say, "I don't care what he scores it, I would love this content!" Works the opposite way too.
I had said I was going to include navigation tips in my review of this site, but ran out of characters. This really goes for all Kink Network sites.
There's one major thing missing - An alphabetical list of models.
Also, since it's a network, you're dropped into a hub that has content from every site in the network. It might be obvious to some, but I didn't realize you could click on the logos of each site and it would only show you content from that site. That improved the navigation a lot for me.
The search engine is maybe too specific in some ways and not near specific enough in other ways. Since there are gay and male sites on this network, you can filter to just see women or men or transsexual.
The problem is even after filtering down to female, you're left with more filters you can add, but that aren't that helpful. Like ethnicity. Hair color. Pubic hair. Body type. Where's "by number of scenes" or "alphabetically" or "most popular"? Some of the most featured models have changed quite a bit. I know Dragon Lily has had at least one child somewhere in-between her oldest scenes and newest scenes, same with Isis Love. And Isis Love's ethnicity isn't obvious. Think I found her in "mixed". Just a simple list of letters to click on "I" would be great.
There is a search box. It's tucked away in the right-hand upper corner of the screen and is a symbol of a magnifying glass. It's not accurate at all. I searched for Daisy and out of the first 10 scenes that came up, only four had Daisy in them.
The other tip, if you want out of the hub, which still requires scrolling until you find a scene from a site you want to check out, like other sites they've decided to name their different "sites" as "channels". And you can get to a channel list from the "browse" tab. Maybe not anything groundbreaking here in my tips, but hopefully that helps somebody.
I think Rocketpay is okay. I don't like that they want you to use the "remember me" feature, which recognizes you if you join a different site that uses Rocketpay and tries to pull-up your past payment info. I'm sure they're trying to be helpful, but the last time it pulled one of mine up, it was a card that expired in 2012.
I don't know exactly how credit card processors work these days, but I do know that they charge a fee for their full-services. The sites lower their costs by having the sign-up and cancel pages on their sites, instead of having separate CCBill sign-up and cancel pages. It also allows sites to include things like surveys when you go to cancel. Mano Job does that. It's five basic questions like, "What would you like to see on our site?" and "How can we make our site better?"
The cancellation link is on the main page of the site at the top. You'll see "support". When you click it, the drop-down menu comes up and has "cancel" as an option. From there you cancel just like you would on CCBill or Epoch and they do send a cancellation confirmation email too. They seem like pretty decent people. I posted a comment about one of their sites being broken and they had it fixed almost immediately.
Oh and Rocketpay has been around for awhile. They used to be the primary for all of the Kink sites. And I know I touched on it in my review, but there's no DL Limit unless I missed a point. On my last night of the membership, I downloaded 142 GB and didn't hit a limit.
Music is a huge part of my life and it's mainly because of the emotions it pulls out of me. I'll probably break the character limit:
Song that always makes me smile:
Mungo Jerry - In the Summertime. My dad and uncle were very stoic and strict men, but they would put the leisure suits on, platform shoes, drink in their hand and would dance to this song.
The artist that hits my emotions the hardest is Tori Amos. Tori's song, "The Winter" has brought tears to my eyes and I'm not an emotional person. All of her music works on my emotions, but that one is the most powerful for me.
On a similar note, my favorite band is Tool. They also run my emotions, but not like Tori. I first heard Tool in LA, when I was 16-17, before they were even signed and they were the first rock/metal band I liked that well.
Iron Maiden pushes me, kind of inspiring, especially their Rock in Rio album where hundreds of thousands of non-English speaking Brazilians sing every word in the background.
Then it moves over to rap/hip-hop. Gangster rap was huge when I was in high school in LA. Everyone listened to NWA and everyone loved Ice Cube. Not me, I preferred Ice-T, also a LA rapper and now actor. His song, "LGBNAF" was the first really dirty rap song I ever heard and thought it was the greatest song ever.
Wu-Tang Clan. I was the weird West Coast kid who loved the East Coast group. Still do and their side project song, "Mystery of Shadowboxing (feat Method Man)" is #1 and #10 on my workout playlist.
On that note, I like playing Mary J. Blige's song, "You're All I Need" for people who only hear radio versions, since it is severely censored and is hugely popular still today. The uncensored/dirty version features Method Man of Wu-Tang and it's good for laughs to see people look at the speakers expecting the radio version.
Then there's Johnny Cash. I smile anytime I hear his songs from the Tennessee Three era, has the thump-te-de-thump sound in all songs. My grandmother adored Johnny Cash and always played his music. On the other hand, I really like his cover of "Hurt", but can't watch the video. That's the closest anyone has gotten to truly making art out of music, but once you realize what's going on, it's hard to watch. If it's not known, Johnny and June had moved out of their house which became the Johnny Cash Museum. About halfway through the video the setting changes. They're back in the house and the already sick and dying Cash pours emotions out as he's "singing". The song was originally about heroin addiction, but Johnny changed almost no lyrics and made it about a regretful, dying man looking back at all the time and energy he wasted.
Another that makes me smile, but only if it's the video. Xzibit's "Concentrate". That woman in the middle in the black kimono tops all porn stars for me!
Last, obscure rap group/song, Psycho Realm, "In this Lifetime" makes me smile a lot if it's the video. I'm in the video and I grew up with those guys.
Bang Bros like a lot of sites these days keeps your membership "active" even after you have cancelled. Meaning, you can still sign in and be tempted to rejoin. When I was a member a few months ago, I added their first level of upgrades, which included Dancing Bear, CFNM Show, my review goes over those. That time, it cost me $17 to join Bang Bros and then $19.95 to add the upgrades.
I realized I didn't have some content I meant to get and signed in as a non-subscription member. The offer popped up to rejoin everything I had before at $19.95. So, going back, got me Bang Bros and the first level of upgrades for nearly half the cost it originally cost me. Thought I would share this in case anyone is interested.
I went to cancel my membership to the Mano Job network and instead of taking me to a cancel screen it brought up a survey about my experience on their site. I don't really mind that since it was just basic questions like:
Would you recommend our site to your friends?
But it also asked which of their sites I had visited, said there are four sites included. I only knew of three. The four choices were:
Mano Jobs The Dick Suckers Mr. POV Chelci Fox
Never having heard of Chelci Fox, I went to chelcifox(dotcom) and tried to sign in as a member, as soon as clicked the "members login" button, my browser bounced a warning up that it was not a secure connection and could be a phishing attempt. I closed Firefox and tried it on Microsoft Edge, Internet Explorer and Chrome and all three of those gave the same type of warning. Maybe it's just me, but this network already has questionable practices going on with the recycling of content, now another problem comes up. I'd still recommend Mano Job, but just be careful on there.
I picked "don't care who knows".
Having said that, I don't exactly offer up "I watch porn" in conversation either. I do offer my username here at PU for friends to read my reviews so if they're interested in a site they'll join through PU's links.
Funny thing is and I would wonder if it applies to other members here, no one who knows me casually, would ever expect my interest in porn. There's a younger woman who works with my mom that I've become a bit of a mentor to in psychology. More than anything, she's most impressed by me rarely "cussing". I think that's how I look at porn too. There's a time for it, just like there's a time for cussing, but it wouldn't bother me to tell anyone about my interest in porn and most people would be surprised how many people find my interest in porn to be very interesting and even intriguing.
I checked using the search filters and there's good and bad news.
The scenes from Amateur Allure can be downloaded, but there's only 20 of them. Seems they're using it as a promotional tool.
I would say don't do any of those four things! I haven't had too many experiences of being wronged by a site, but I don't even like it when webmasters start offering discounts and especially "swag". Have had a couple do that on here. I am not walking around with a t-shirt on that says a porn site's name on it. After I've thought about it, maybe the "extend membership" is one that would be acceptable. Seems like Twisty's and maybe 21 Sextury had problems about 5-6 years ago and they extended all their members memberships by a month. Most of the wronging I've experienced probably couldn't be fixed. Like the false advertising of content before I joined, only to join and see that they don't have the content they advertised. That's an older one, but it used to be very common during the European boom in the 2005-09 range. I remember one showed Eve Angel as a featured model. I joined it. Got inside, went to Eve's page and it said "coming soon!" How can she be a featured model without content? That was frustrating.
I'll give it a try lol.
It's like you're watching porn that's not being filmed or planned. There's scenes where the actors/actresses dictate what they want next. It's like there's a strange honesty in it. One model, despite saying the male was very good, said she rarely orgasms and didn't, but she starts masturbating after the sex and has an orgasm. The feeling around the scenes are more genuine. They come off as people getting paid to perform, but also who love sex. It's refreshing to me since I already had been experiencing boredom with most hardcore sites unless there was a distracting story. I also wonder how much of the Italian market they have. The scenes are very professionally-shot, high quality, nice settings, in a way it reminds me of Sex Art except without the heartcore content. I found the tips and hints scenes to be some of the best I've seen on any site just because of the way the models interacted. That could be it too. You know how you watch a mainstream movie with a bunch of amateur actors and then watch one with top-tier mainstream actors and actresses? That difference is what these scenes bring. I'll end by saying don't let that take away from the site it's not "professional" in the American professional porn way of glamour and glitz, it's just like you're watching professional women who are professionals at sex. The men, by my guess, are not professionals, but I could be wrong.
I don't know if I've ever posted about VR, but I remember when PU had the VR set they were offering. Don't know if I posted it there or not, but I can't use VR. Crazy and a nice reminder to my youth, I was stabbed above my eye as a teenager, right around the eyebrow. It still causes some vision problems in that eye, but it also makes it impossible for me to use VR since it will only mess more with how my eye processes what it sees. I haven't even tried the PS4, sticking with the Xbox One, because Sony pushes the VR so much and I know I can't use it. Just thought I would post that if it seems like I've not shown interest towards or against VR.
I agree with you on the user usually being at fault, but I must have been in a hurry in my previous reply and left out that Probiller/Probilling has gotten me twice with cross-sales that were not on the purchase page. These seem to be a different type of cross-sale, one that they "give" the new member for 1 day with no charge, but if not canceled it turns into a $39.95 charge. I didn't know it until I received an email welcoming me to the site I didn't join.
I think things are also becoming more dicey about who owns the billers. One that's plainly-obvious, any of the Fame sites (100+ sites), bill through Fame Cash, so they're doing their own billing. It's a little harder to tell with Probilling, but they are the only biller used by Mind Geeks, the owners of Reality Kings, GFLeaks, Brazzers and over 100 more sites. One of the best examples I can give is Twistys. Once renowned for its content and its customer service. It was bought by Mind Geeks and Probilling became its biller it has since fell into obscurity with hundreds of complaints about cross-sales, difficult cancellation, and just general billing problems.
I find my frustration with the biller to be terrible since I'm usually very patient and even methodical about the signing up process. On a side note: I join Reality Kings several times a year and have never had a problem with Probilling through Reality Kings. I think it could be the programming of the different sites that causes the problems.
If you look at the numbers, it's hard not to believe Mind Geeks own Probilling. Mind Geeks owns 133 sites. Probilling is the primary processor for 146 sites. In comparison: CCBill is the primary processor on over 11,000 sites and Epoch is the primary for over 6,000 sites. The one good thing I can say about them is they accept Visa prepaid cards and most billers don't.
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