Ah, our good friends at centrobill are still up to their old tricks. If you search the forum here you'll find some tips on an email that actually works to cancel your membership but it still takes many days.
I absolutely refuse to join any site that uses centrobill as their biller and I'm sorry to hear that you got caught in their net.
This is indeed great news. As my membership was expiring a couple of weeks ago they added Girls Rimming too. The problem with sites like Exxxtra Small and Girls Rimming being part of Adult Time for me is that I like these sites enough that I join the regularly anyway. Adult Time doesn't give full access. It's sort of like a buffet. But... there are certainly a bunch of sites I can sample at Adult Time that I wouldn't ordinarily join so it can still be an excellent value. But for me I'd still have to join the main sites for Exxxtra Small and Girls Rimming to get 100% access to their stuff.
Thanks for taking the time to reply, comment on and clarify the review. I know that most of the PU members here really appreciate it when webmasters stop by and say hello.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- Site is part of a great network
- Site is growing with at least two updates per month
- Three streaming options
- Five download options
- Bills through Epoch
- TBP / PU discount
- Allows download managers
- Provides porn in a rare niche
Cons:
- Slightly slower download speeds than with similar networks
- Still small as of this writing
Bottom Line:
Ill get this out of the way: no, the site isnt named Exxxtra Small because it only has nine scenes posted so far. And no, I havent lost my mind in taking the time to write a review for such a small site. Yes, I know that having only nine scenes makes it a small site, but it is new, it is updating, it is part of a large network and, most important, it serves a niche where good porn is rare: very petite women. I know that at any given time there are usually any number of petite young women in porn, but sites that actually showcase them are fairly rare.
This site is part of the Team Skeet network and is one of the newer (if not the newest) site on the network. It started on June 22, 2012 and has been updating regularly with two updates per month. I know that two updates per month doesnt sound like a lot, but since the site is part of a large network new scenes are being added throughout the network regularly.
Team Skeet is a great teen-themed network which is a must-visit site for anyone who likes their porn models fresh. The gang at Skeet must have a direct channel into the talent agencies to get so many of the newest faces in porn. Exxxtra Small is a great addition to the network and really fits in well with the overall teen themes they promote. The models on this site are all young (18-20) and all are exceptionally tiny.
One good thing about a niche like super-petite models is that the directors arent locked in to just a few scene set-ups. This happens with a lot of massage sites where the massage set-up is so narrow that it can get stale pretty quickly. But the same cant be said for the extra-petite niche: take any porn set-up you can think of and add in a tiny model and it still works. Boats, pools, living rooms, naughty students, perky temps it all works. All the director needs to do is accentuate and promote the models tiny size.
Since this site started recently it has the same new video download options that were rolled out on the network late last year. This saw a significant improvement in video quality being offered. All the scenes here are offered in streaming in high and low resolutions and in HD. Im not into streaming so I cant really say anything about these except to add that Team Skeet doesnt follow what is becoming a more common model to have the streaming start automatically. Since this might be an unpleasant surprise to someone who forgets to turn their speakers off, and since it unnecessarily hogs bandwidth I think that the site made the right choice here.
Downloads and streaming can be broken down into many different ways to satisfy just about anyone. You can view or download a preview, the full scene, the scene broken down into thirds or into one-minute blocks. Theyve really thought of ways to make the customer happy. The best thing about these broad choices, in my opinion, is that it is easy to set your preferences which then impact any scene you open. I set my preference for full and thats the link that came up each time.
Downloads are available in two formats and multiple resolutions per format. A medium-grade WMV is available as is a file for mobile users. The big news for the network is that they now have mp4s available in three resolutions: hi, 720p and 1080p. I opted for the 720p in most files because it offered the best compromise between file size and video quality. Those files are 1280x720 at a 2400kb/s bitrate and 30fps. These look great on a 24 monitor and I suspect theyll look good on a 50 TV too when I get around to trying that. If you have any doubts, the 1080p is also available.
Photos and screencaps are also available (in singles or zips). The photos look great at 1053x702. The screencaps are a lower resolution and 720x405.
The other good news is that the site (and network) bills through a reputable biller, allows download managers and has no download limits. They also offer a TBP/PU discount. The (semi) bad news is that I find the download speeds to be a little slower than I normally see with other similar networks. It isnt bad just a bit slower. (A subjective negative is that the entire network isnt big on anal scenes. Thats their choice, but I wish there were more. There are no anal scenes on this site. But a guy can dream)
So am I going to say that a site with just nine scenes is a good value? No, but that doesnt factor in that this is a new and growing site on an established network. And the niche is underserved so this is a welcome site. This is great porn at a great price and perhaps the best recommendation that I can give it is to say that because of this one new site Ill be joining this network more frequently than I used to.
I'm glad I could be of service. I didn't download a lot of scenes but it does seem that vomiting for the sake of vomiting is a part of at least some scenes. On another forum I read there was a thread on that and it seems a lot of people are very interested in seeing it. That thread got shut down though as several posters couldn't keep it civil. Go figure... :-)
Yeah, I can't imagine that this site could be 'real' and not attract unwanted legal attention.
I'll look forward to your Assylum review. Unfortunately, my membership ran out a week or so before Rebel's gangbang was uploaded. Of the two Rebel scenes I have, one of them is easily the roughest Assylum scene I've ever seen - and for that site that's saying a lot!
One thing that intrigues me about the site is that there are many models who make repeated appearances. That leads me to think that the whole over-the-top misogyny is just an act. Then again, there are some models who are known as fetish-only. When I was a member at Assylum a few months back I was struck by a new model I hadn't seen before named Rebel Rhyder. She had one of the roughest scenes I've ever scene at Assylum and I see that she's back for another one and has done a scene for Slave Mouth as well. The reason I mention her is because she has three scenes at Facial Abuse and those are much harder than even those guys usually have. Rebel is definitely good looking and could easily do more mainstream hardcore but I've never seen her on any mainstream sites. She must really be wired to like that level of rough sex.
I know this won't win me any friends, but I didn't download as much from Facial Abuse as I would in other sites. That isn't because I found them too rough but it's because I find some of the models to be quite unattractive.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- 650+ scenes
- Updating (appears to be weekly)
- Wide variety of models
- Many of the models are amateurs though there are some porn stars here as well
- Fast downloads
- Multiple download options
- Some unique and rare sex acts
Cons:
- One of the roughest sites on the internet
- Most definitely not a mainstream site
- Scenes are undated
- Model names no longer used
Bottom Line:
Facial Abuse is, quite possibly, the most polarizing porn site on the ‘net. For those unfamiliar with this site its claim to fame is extremely hardcore porn that plays at being misogynistic. This is definitely not a site for couples. In fact, it probably isn’t a site for 90% of porn collectors.
The scenes dive into the abuse right at the beginning. The models are degraded verbally and called whores, sluts and even worse. Then the face fucking begins. This isn’t really an oral-themed site as you’d expect – it’s about forceful throat fucking. Every thrust makes it to the back of the throat and the model’s head is held tight to not allow her to move away. The guy often holds her head cutting off the model’s airway for a while too. The models end up with bloodshot eyes and mascara running down their faces. Some scenes, and many of the recent uploads, deliberately make the model vomit. This isn’t the watery stuff that some other sites feature. No, this is lunch coming back up in all it’s partially digested glory.
In many scenes, including those with vomit, anything coming out of the mouth, whether it’s saliva or something else, is often collected in a dog dish with the label “whore” on it. In many scenes the contents of this bowl is dumped over the model’s head at the end of the scene.
Another feature that occurs occasionally in the older scenes but is becoming more common with the later uploads is pissing. In some shoots the model takes multiple repeated pees to her face and mouth. Most models drink and swallow too.
Some of the scenes have rimming and/or foot licking too. (In one unique scene the model, Bobbi Dylan, has a foot rammed down her throat to make her vomit. I’ve never seen this before.)
The models range from well-known porn stars to amateurs who don’t appear anywhere else. Body types and ages vary and while some of the women are beautiful there are others that don’t tickle my fancy.
For a site that has been around for a while I was pleasantly surprised to see that even the oldest scenes on the site are available in multiple resolutions. The scenes are available in 144, 360, 480, 720 and 1080. I downloaded the 720p flies and even the older ones came in at 5100 kb/s. The newer scenes have 60 fps where the older ones are 30. I don’t know when this change was made.
The site currently has approximately 650 scenes available. These date back to at least 2014.
There are a couple of minor things that could improve the site. The scenes are undated so it’s hard to say exactly what the update schedule is. My best guess from being a member for the past three weeks is that it is roughly one scene added each week.
The second minor issue is that starting relatively recently the site no longer uses the model name in the scene title or description. I catalogue my collection using model names so this is an inconvenience for me. I read on another forum that this change was made to protect the model’s privacy. It is odd, however, that even known porn stars aren’t named.
There are bonus sites included with the membership too. At least several of these are no longer updating. I suspect that it’s fair to say, however, that even if Adult Doorway (the network name) is a network that Facial Abuse is the signature site and main draw.
I normally queue scenes with a download manager but I didn’t do that here. I found that I’d use streaming first to decide if I wanted to download a scene so I didn’t have a bunch of scenes lined up. I did find download speeds to be fast though.
The TBP page says that there is a download limit of 20GB per day. Because I’m being more selective with downloads I haven’t encountered the limit yet. The TBP page also says that the newest scenes are streaming only for a month and then become available for download. I’m able to download even the newest scenes so this may have been changed though when the scenes are first uploaded it can sometimes be a few days before the 1080p is available.
The bottom line is that objectively this is great site: it has good production values and is well laid out. Some may argue that the scenes are repetitive and while they are, this is a narrow niche and the formula works here. The models vary widely so there is apt to be some to appeal to almost every subscriber. Subjectively, however, this site is most definitely NOT for everyone. It is a polarizing site and it’s possible that I’ll garner some criticism for even reviewing it here. This is among the roughest sites currently available. Anyone curious about joining would be well advised to browse through the tour pages to make sure this is really something you want to see. Yes, it’s that rough…
As extreme as it is I'll keep them, if for no other reason that I never purge porn. I did that a couple of times back when digital media was still young and expensive and I came to regret it. Much of my quest for porn has been to find the stuff I purged. It's actually been pretty successful since most of it was movies from the early and mid-nineties.
And I agree that one of the many great things about PU is that there is always a way for members to ask each other questions.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- If youre looking for hardcore, misogynistic face-fucking, this is your site
- Download speeds are up to or exceed industry standards (1.2-1.4MB/sec)
- I didnt have any of the problems that other reviewers reported (inability to log in or slow download speeds)
- Newer scenes have a wide varity of download and streaming options
- Mostly amateur models (this can be a con too see below)
- Some mainstream porn stars (Amber Rayne, Veronica Jett, Amai Lui, Tory Lane and Tiffany Holiday, among others, make an appearance)
- Pics available (zips too)
- 240+ scenes on the site as of the review date
- Updates approximately once a week
Cons:
- Older videos are very poor quality
- Many of the models arent very attractive, many have huge tattoos (Im not even sure that some of the models were born female)
- Navigation is very simplistic
- Thumbnails on video pages are too small and too few to get a sense of whether you want to download the scene. You have to go to photo page and download a photo or two to get a good look at the model
- Very misogynistic. (Yes, I know this is subjective, but this isnt Sex and Submission. These guys seem to be trying to outdo Max Hardcore.)
Bottom Line:
Ive scored this site fairly high based mostly on an objective look at it. If I were to rate it more subjectively the score would be lower. This site is well done for a small niche site, but it isnt perfect. But like some other reviewers (pat362) I didnt really like the material. This was a bit of a surprise to me since I do like BDSM and rough-sex sites. But most of that material I have I get from sites that are part of the Kink.com network. Facial Abuse is no Kink.com site.
Facial Abuses theme is extreme face fucking. I think that it is possible to do this while still treating the models with some respect, but these guys dont do that. I find rough sex to be a turn on when it is staged properly, but this is staged in a way to make it degrading. If youve ever seen more recent Max Hardcore scenes, or the degrading scenes from Meat Members youll know what I mean.
Each scene follows a set formula. There is a brief interview where the model eventually undresses. She then kneels on the floor and gets her face fucked by two men. The face fucking continues with her upside down on the couch, and there is usually a scene where one of the guys is sitting on the couch and she is giving him head. The scenes have sex as well, usually anal. Most scenes have a lot of drool with some models vomiting. Most scenes end with facial cumshots.
One issue I have is that many of the models (at least half) are VERY unattractive. Yes, this may be subjective, but not entirely. There are some standards of beauty, and these ladies dont meet them. Some of the models are downright scary, which I suspect is a product of the extreme nature of the site. Some mainstream models do appear, though their scenes tend to be a little less extreme.
From a technical standpoint, the site is reasonably well done. Navigation is rudimentary and the biggest problem is that the thumbnails are so small that there is no way to get a good look at the model before you download a video. The only way to get a look is to go into the photo page and download a photo. So you see a tiny thumbnail of a girl you might like to see in the video and you have to go into the photo page and click on a tiny thumbnail there and make your decision. And trust me, youll want to do this because otherwise youll get some very ugly women on your hard drive.
Once you do decide to download a video you have a lot of options available for size. I find that downloading the file called broadband rather than HD to be sufficient. This sites broadband scenes are better than what most sites consider HD. The downside is that file sizes are large. Download speeds are good.
The bottom line is that this site is well done for what it is, but I suspect that market may be small. I like material like this and figured that Id like this too, but even I found it to be over the top. I had no issues that others reported, but think carefully about a membership it's EXTREME
My review will be up by the time you read this, and while I wouldn't necessarily recommend this site to anyone, I hope that I kept it objective. My goal would be for someone to look at the reviews (all of them) and get a sense of what is there, plus get a sense of how the site measures up in objective technical stuff. Objectively, the site is great - there is a decent amount of material, the navigation is simple but effective, the download speeds are great, the scenes are well shot, well lit, etc. If someone were to read the reviews and say 'these two guys thought it was too extreme, but they also say the site is decent and not a rip off, then I feel safe joining' then I'm happy with that.
And full disclosure - after all my comments about it being too extreme, there are still some scenes that I plan to download.
I suspect that you're right on a lot of this. I don't like to make my reviews too subjective because just because I don't like a site doesn't mean it isn't good.
I also agree that there are a lot of women who enjoy rough sex and being dominated. Look at most of what is offered on the Kink.com network. Sites like The Training of O, Sex and Submission, Water Bondage, Public Disgrace all rely on women who like being treated roughly. Society SM and its sister sites are the same.
The physical torment that women are subjected to in the sites I listed above is the same or close to what goes on at Facial Abuse, but the mental element is completely different. On Kink and Society SM I get a stong idea that the women like what is going on, and more importantly that the men recognize that they the degradation and humiliation of the women is just part of the sex play. For Facial Abuse, I get the feeling that these guys genuinely dislike women and see nothing wrong with what they're doing. I get the feeling that when the scene is over at a Kink shoot that people help the woman get back into the real world after an intense BDSM session. At Facial Abuse, my suspicion is that when the scene ends the staff say 'here's your $50 you dumb cunt, now get the fuck out of here.' I may be wrong about that, but if I am it is mostly because site like Kink go out of their way to make it abundently clear that the women are tossed out like garbage. Maybe when the cameras are turned off at Facial Abuse the guys drop the 'douchebag' schtick.
Finally, while I agree that some women (maybe a lot of them) enjoy BDSM and related activities, (Bobbi Starr, Madison Young and Amber Rayne come to mind) I can't imagine that too many women really enjoy the kind of mental abuse dished out at Facial Abuse. But having said that, Amber Rayne did a scene here so what to make of that>
Thanks for the comments. Always great to have a chat about porn.
So many others did have technical problems with the site that I thought I'd make the specific comment that I didn't have any of those issues. When you and I had a back-and-forth after you wrote your review that was one of my big concerns. If you reported problems I would have stayed away, but since you didn't I took the plunge. Maybe whatever problems other people had have been resolved.
I agree with you that there is good extreme and bad extreme. Read the comment from malikstarks in this thread. I agree with him too. But... there really is good extreme and bad extreme. Where is that line? I don't know. Maybe you and I are just being too subjective and basing this on taste. Maybe it's an age thing in that people younger than us have different media experiences. I still think that The Exorcist is the most scary movie ever made, because when it came out there was nothing like it. For someone in their 30s The Exorcist might seem tame and quaint.
But having said that, I still think that there has to be an objective standard for what is too extreme. And now that I think of it, there is. Most countries would have some criminal law dealing with this kind of material. You and I are both in Canada and I suspect that this material would be found to be illegal if we tried to import it as a DVD. The problem with using the criminal standard to determine whether this is too extreme is that that standard itself uses the :community standard" test. I'd bet you have trouble convincing blue-haired old Baptist ladies anywhere that this stuff isn't extreme, but they'd probably say that about tame mainstream porn too.
I think for me that I'm going to come down to the same test that U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter used way back in 1964. To paraphrase him for this discussion, I may not be able to define what is too extreme, but I know it when I see it.
pat - based on your review and the conversation we had in the comments section I took out a membership at Facial Abuse. Holy crap you weren't kidding when you said this stuff is extreme! I like hardcore BDSM and I even like some Max Hardcore stuff, but I found this shocking. That really surprised me. This seems to be abuse for the sake of abuse.
Joined recently and have had none of the reported problems
I joined Facial Abuse recently and I'm working my way through the material It is a LOT more extreme than I expected it to be. I like BDSM stuff, but this is too extreme for me. Objectively the site is great lots of material, relatively easy to navigate, good download speeds but subjectively, this site is probably only for a select group. Be warned - some of this stuff makes Max Hardcore look like a Girl Scout.
I haven't experienced any of the technical issues that people reported here. My log-in works all the time, and I find that download speeds are consistently around 1.3MB/sec. I haven't had to contact customer service for anything yet so I can't comment on that.
I will. I also contacted pat362 who wrote a review and while he didn't like the site for subjective reasons, he didn't have the problems you did. I might take the plunge...
Pat - Thanks for the prompt reply. I am thinking about joining the site. I read yur review and I know what I'm in for. I like some of this stuff, and I know you've probably read some of my past reviews of sites like The Training of O. I like sites where women are submissive, but I also like it where the male dominance isn't over the top. In the Kink sites (The Training of O, Public Discrgace, etc.) it is pretty clear that there is no real abuse going on. That's important to me. Rough sex is one thing, but abusive sex is another. As a fellow Canuck, I'm sure you'll understand the issue that hockey may be a ROUGH game, but it doesn't have to be VIOLENT. That might apply here too.
One other question - do you remember having any problem cancelling your mmembership?
Pat - how did you find the download speeds at Facial Abuse? Some people posted comments that it was really slow and those comments were posted before your review. I'm wondering if that got resolved.
I'm not a fan of POV either but I can live with the guy's face being blurred.
I use IDM too and had no trouble with it but I set it for only one download at a time and queue-up a bunch of scenes instead of multiple downloads at once. IDM worked flawlessly with the network in this way.
Thanks for taking the time to comment on my review.
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