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| 03-25-10 10:46am - 5170 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Ideal video size and formats I would appreciate any advice on Video size BR and formats which are considered to be ideal. I currently only provide WMV but want to add more formats. I will then be adding these formats to all my future video releases and working my way through previous ones. Thank you in anticipation? Regards Miss Hybrid | |
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| 03-25-10 10:48am - 5170 days | #2 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Well, I may be in the minority, but I prefer photosets. Cap'n. :0/ Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 03-25-10 10:59am - 5170 days | #3 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Capn I provide high res photos and fairly large screen caps taken from my HD video. So I am ok with that. I have been a still photographer for years but Video is new to me. Only 2 years xx | |
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| 03-25-10 11:24am - 5170 days | #4 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
To accomodate most people, I think video is best offered in 3 resolutions/bitrates. Something in the 1200+ range with a bitrate of 2000 or better, something in the 700+ range with a bitrate of at least 1000, and iPod resolution - 700 at around 700 bitrate. As far as file types, I like to see wmv, avi/DivX and mp4. But avi files seem to be disappearing, with mp4 growing in popularity. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 03-25-10 11:28am - 5170 days | #5 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Many people appear to dislike mp4 but I really like it and prefer it to wmv. The picture seems crisper somehow. | |
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| 03-25-10 11:33am - 5170 days | #6 | |
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Cpmx54 (0)
Active User Posts: 42 Registered: Oct 09, '09 Location: USA |
as long as the quality of the video is good, i really don't care which format it comes in, with exception to QuickTime. providing QuickTime player format (exclusively) will have me cancelling (and fighting to get my money back) without hesitation. as far as i can tell, a good quality video works well in just about any format :) | |
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| 03-25-10 11:44am - 5170 days | #7 | |
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ControllingMind (0)
Suspended  Posts: 52 Registered: Jan 29, '09 Location: Inside An Unseen Force |
Proper HD at least 1280x720 over 4000kbps bitrate AVI/DIVX WMV MP4 MP4 low res for ipod users | |
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| 03-25-10 11:48am - 5170 days | #8 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
As for video formats I would go with .wmv, mp4 and possibly an iphone or similar phone sized app for downloads. I think, although we PUers don't have much use for it, having stream capability is also good since more people are going to mobile devices or simply don't want to store large files. AVI is going away and I've never been overly fond of DivX so long as the overall quality of the footage is good. Mpegs and Quicktime are completely outdated and overrated. As for bitrates, like Ragingbuddhist noted I would have several options with the top end being in the 1200 to 2000 range and low end somewhere in the low 100's. People who only have dial up access are most likely to use a low level stream only function or not really mess around much with the downloads. | |
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| 03-25-10 01:43pm - 5170 days | #9 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Thank you everyone. My problem is that I have about ten hours of edited video.This was all shot with 2 or 3 broadcast quality cams. I want to put out the best formats in quality that suits all users. It is an enormous job to re make all my films so I want to get it right. Where can I find a definitive list of what is the best. Kisses Miss H x | |
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| 03-25-10 02:28pm - 5169 days | #10 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
comment please HD flash 1080 x 720 3.0MB/s HD WMV 1080 x 720 3.0MB/s High Flash 720 X 480 1.5 MB/s High WMV 640 x 480 1.5 MB/s low WMV 320 x 240 600 kb/s iphone 320 x 240 769 kb/sec do you think that would be enough to keep everyone happy (other than RB)? | |
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| 03-25-10 02:33pm - 5169 days | #11 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Tell me why you singled me out on this one. I tried to give you something constructive. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 03-25-10 02:53pm - 5169 days | #12 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
RB, do not take everything so personally. I was trying to be funny. If I was not being funny and I have offended you I offer my unreserved apology | |
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| 03-25-10 02:56pm - 5169 days | #13 | |
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Cpmx54 (0)
Active User Posts: 42 Registered: Oct 09, '09 Location: USA |
oh fuck, perhaps we should all just take a break from PU for the next three days, and spend it just watching porn... | |
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| 03-25-10 02:58pm - 5169 days | #14 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
I have some old debi diamond VCRs, a log fire whisky and a cinema room xxx | |
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| 03-25-10 02:59pm - 5169 days | #15 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
What's funny is - again - coming from someone who got her feelings hurt enough to tell her members about it, that you would tell me not to take things personally. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 03-25-10 03:05pm - 5169 days | #16 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
RB lighten up. remember when you tried to discredit my traffic by quoting a link to alexa. you didn't have a clue what the figures you quoted meant but you still quoted them. That was one of the funniest things I have ever seen on a forum but I didn't rub your nose in it did I? You still don't have a clue. now go away and stop pretending you know about such things xx It was the best time ever xxxx | |
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| 03-25-10 03:13pm - 5169 days | #17 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
So I guess my apology for that meant nothing. And I ask you again - what don't I have a clue about? I hate to break it to you - I'm not going anywhere. You've changed the complexion of this forum virtually overnight and I find it invigorating. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 03-25-10 03:14pm - 5169 days | #18 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Thank you xxx | |
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| 03-25-10 03:14pm - 5169 days | #19 | |
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Cpmx54 (0)
Active User Posts: 42 Registered: Oct 09, '09 Location: USA |
oh Miss Hybrid, you are a feisty one.. I'm really starting to like you. | |
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| 03-25-10 03:18pm - 5169 days | #20 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
Personally I would love to see 1920 x 1080 h264 level 4.1 at a bitrate of around 8mbit / sec. That would result in a 1 hour video being about 4 GB in size. I prefer h264 as most modern ish PC's can provide hardware accelerated playback meaning that even low powered HTPC's can easily play crystal clear HD video. But that said, it all depends on what format you filmed the content at. If your source is only 720P, there is little point in upscalling to 1080P, you won't get much of a increase in quality (if any) but the filesize would be bigger. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 03-25-10 03:18pm - 5169 days | #21 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
I need to go to bed Thank you everyone, its been fun xxx Kisses, best wishes and regards, Miss Hybrid xxx | |
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| 03-26-10 04:08am - 5169 days | #22 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
This is the list of formats that I am thinking of using. I intend add my next update in these and then work through my back list. HD DIVx, 1280 x 720 Flash, 640 x 360 Ipod M4v, 460 X 270 MP4 HD, 1280 x 720 MP4 phone, 320 x 180 WMV low 640 x 360 I will continue with the current WMV HD format 1280 x 720 Do you think that this list is the one I should go with, as I want to get it right first go? Thank you for the help x | |
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| 03-26-10 04:17am - 5169 days | #23 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Mister Frosty, 1920x1080 at 35Mb so everything is down scaled. The bandwidth to cope with 4Gb files would be enormous. 8mbit is enormous, is anyone providing that? | |
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| 03-26-10 08:05pm - 5168 days | #24 | |
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adultporn (0)
Suspended Posts: 3 Registered: Mar 26, '10 Location: Japan |
Interesting post from another user High Defintion Comparision The bitrates for the following can vary depending on the length of the feature film and with or without extras. All current adult blu-ray are available on blu-ray 25 GB only not blu-ray 50 GB disc. Average Adult Blu-ray on 25 Gb Disc 1080p - MP4 H.264 or VC-1 15-25 Mbit (3 - 2 hour movie) Digital Playground: Fly Girls (2010) 3 hours + 17 minutes extra average bitrate was 11.3 Mbit MP4 according to www.xcritic.com Elegant Angel: Busty Waitresses 2 hours 15 minutes + extra 21 Mbit MP4 Zero Tolerance: Double Decker Sandwich 12 2 hours 38 minutes + extra 15 Mbit VC-1 (WMV HD) Brazzers: Big Tits At Work #99999 3 hours + 30 minutes BTS 14 Mbit VC-1 (WMV HD) estimating future product -Blu-ray bitrate calculator http://dvd-hq.info/bitrate_calculator.php Hollywood Blu-ray 50 Gb Disc 1080p - MP4 h.264 40 Mbit depends HD-DVD similar to China Blue High-Definition (CBHD) Hollywood movie 1080 - MP4 h.264 12 Mbit BD9 aka Blu-ray 8 Gb Disc 1080p - mkv x.264 H.264 8000k (1920x1080) BD5 aka Blu-ray 4 Gb Disc 720p - mkv x.264 H.264 4000k (1280x720) Brazzers.com 1080p - WMV HD 12000k (1920x1080) 720p - WMV HD 8000k (1280x720) 720p - MP4 H.264 3000k (1280x720) NaughtyAmerica.com 1080p - MP4 H.264 8000k (1920x1080) 720p - MP4 H.264 6000k (1280x720) Zero Tolerance Entertainment ztod.com 1080p - MP4 H.264 8000k (1920x1080) 720p - MP4 H.264 4000k (1280x720) RealityKings.com "720p" - MP4 H.264 3000 kbps (1024x576) (streaming nondownloadable) (not even HD) BangBros.com 720p - MP4 H.264 3000k (1280x720) (streaming nondownloadable) Videobox & Videoz (DVD online) for Non-HD comparison 480p - MP4 H.264 3000K (640x480) (720x480 for wide screen) 480p - WMV WMV9 4000K (640x480) (720x480 for wide screen) Adult & Hollywood movie DVD 480p - Mpeg2 6 6000k (720x480) DVDrips backup on 2 CD-R 480p - Xvid, Divx 1500k Example DVD Porn 3 hour + 20 BTS = 5000k MPEG2 Internet Porn 3 hour + 20 BTS 4000K MP4 h.264 or WMV WMV9 The quality will be virtually the same. For the same bitrate, MPEG4 H.264 or WMV WMV9 has better technology and compression ratio than old MPEG2. MPEG4 H.264 can save over 40% size & bitrate over MPEG2 yet still deliver the same quality picture. However, not all high definition videos are the same, here is an interesting article regarding fake High Definition videos on the internet. Currently, only Brazzers has the best 1080p High Definition videos followed by NaughtyAmerica, ZeroTolerance (ZTOD), and 21sextury. While I prefer Realitykings & BangBros content, Brazzers has the best High Definition videos with bitrate at 12 Mbps WMV HD. Realitykings & BangBros High Definition 720p bitrate is at 3 Mbps h.264 while DVD Mpeg2 is at 6.5 Mbps. "Standard definition 480i DVD movies are typically 5 to 8 mbps (megabits per second) MPEG-2 whereas these so-called HD wannabes weigh in at a pathetic 1.5 to 4 mbps of 720p H.264. Modern video compression codecs like H.264 or VC-1 can hide these compression artifact problems much better than MPEG-2 video compression but there�s only so much it can do. At best you might get away 50% more compression over older compression technology but 1.5 to 4 mbps H.264 will not be better than 8 mbps MPEG-2 under most video complexity requirements. The only time 4 mbps 720p will look better than 8 mbps 480i is when the video on the screen is almost entirely stationary or it�s a low-complexity video such as animation movies. " http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=511 http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=959 This explains why during Realitykings, Bangbros, Brazzers streaming 720p high definition motion scenes looks blurry & pixelated vs DVD. While currently Brazzers has the best high definition 1080p videos at 12 Mbps WMV HD, members have to wait 6 months of uninterrupted subscription to gain unlimited download access to the 1080p videos or pay $8.00 to download only one 1080p scene. On the other hand, NaughtyAmerica, ZeroTolerance (ZTOD), and 21sextury gives you instant unlimited download access to the high definition 1080p scenes with bitrates at 8 Mbps. If Brazzers members do not have 6 months of uninterrupted subscription, Brazzers members have access to the downloadable 720p WMV HD bitrate at 8 Mbps. Thus, Brazzers has the best high definition 1080p videos, but members have to wait 6 months. I have never seen a Brazzers 720p 8000K because I always download Brazzers 1080p 12000K, but I would assume Brazzers 720p 8000K WMHD will look better than BangBros 720p 3000k MP4 H.264. In conclusion, Brazzers 12000k WMV HD is close to 3 hour 30 minutes + 6 trailers @ 2 minutes each + 1 photo slide show @ 2 minutes Blu-ray 25 GB disc. Edited on Mar 26, 2010, 10:03pm Edited by Staff on Mar 27, 2010, 05:59am (Khan: corrected URL(s) format) | |
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| 03-26-10 09:39pm - 5168 days | #25 | |
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adultporn (0)
Suspended Posts: 3 Registered: Mar 26, '10 Location: Japan |
My ideal format for me, but not the majority. I prefer Blu-ray over internet porn unless it is from Brazzers 12000k 1080p. Even on Brazzers, I only download and delete 1 scene every 10 that is release. Since the 15000k bitrate is high, it would be very difficult to pirate and distribute on torrent, rapidshare, megaupload, etc, and perfect for me who rarely download videos and keep. I have about 1 Gig of internet videos. Rarely, do i watch a hollywood movie twice and this apply to adult actresses and videos too. Thus, people who want quality will pay. 1080p has about twice 720p resolution thus double bitrate and for 480p too 1080p - WMV HD 15000k (1920x1080) (Low Blu-ray disc quality or super high internet 1080p quality) 1080p - MP4 H.264 15000k (1920x1080) 720p - WMV HD 8000k (1280x720) (Brazzers quality) 720p - MP4 H.264 8000k (1280x720) 480p - WMV HD 4000k (Videobox quality) 480p - MP4 H.264 4000k 480p - WMV HD 2000k (Low bandwidth users & old computers) 480p - MP4 H.264 2000k iphone - MP4 H.264 500k Current minuminm standard by (current standard for scene pirate releases & most Adult website networks) 1080p - WMV HD 8000k (1920x1080) 1080p - MP4 H.264 8000k (1920x1080) 720p - WMV HD 4000k (1280x720) 720p - MP4 H.264 4000k (1280x720) 720p - MP4 H.264 3000k (1280x720) HD streaming standard 480p - WMV HD 2000k 480p - MP4 H.264 2000k iphone - MP4 H.264 500k There are multiple codecs availble for hdv encoding such as: WMV HD, H.264/AVC, and DivX HD (MPEG-4 part 2). The most common is WMVHD which is great for slow old computers. The BEST quality is H.264 (MPEG-4 Part 10) and compatible with PS3, ZuneHD, Iphone, IPad, standalone blu-ray player, computer graphic hardware acceleration, requires fast computer, best video to size compression ratio, etc. Check speedtest.net for me Average USA bandwidth is about 4 Mbit/sec Sorry, for the rush post. Interest article Music pirates spend more on music than their legal, law-abiding brethren http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/11/02/...r-legal-law-abiding/ http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows...contentshowcase.aspx System Requirements The sample clips have data rates between 6,384 Kbps and 10,440 Kbps. The higher the data rate, the higher the resource requirement. Although other system configurations might be able to play back this content, for an optimal experience we recommend the following configurations: Minimum Configuration (to play 720p video) Windows XP Windows Media Player 9 Series 2.4 GHz processor or equivalent 384 MB of RAM 64 MB video card 1024 x 768 screen resolution 16-bit sound card Speakers Optimum Configuration (to play 1080p video with 5.1 surround sound) Windows XP Windows Media Player 10 DirectX 9.0 1.8 GHz Intel Core Duo or higher processor (or equivalent); 3.0 GHz Intel Pentium 4 or higher processor (or equivalent) 512 MB of RAM 128 MB video card 1920 x 1440 screen resolution 24-bit 96 kHz multichannel sound card 5.1 surround sound speaker system WMD HD for 5 year old computer, and H.264 for fast computer. Edited on Mar 27, 2010, 07:20am | |
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| 03-27-10 01:21am - 5168 days | #26 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
My PC is about 5 years old and I notice I get some stuttering when bitrates get too high. I doubt I'm alone on that. So I think the super high bitrates are great to have as an option. But if nothing is offered at a "still very nice but not quite 1080p" level, sites might start getting complaints from members because their processors and video cards can't keep up. I'd hate to find myself on a site where I have to drop down to mediocre quality files just because the top quality files don't play here. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 03-27-10 01:56am - 5168 days | #27 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Thank you everyone for the detail and comment. It is much more complicated that I thought. I can see how naive I was to just provide WMV My early films even though shot in full HD 1920 x 1080 @35Mb I formatted to 640 x 360. I now provide 1280 x 720. I have all the original files though so I best get working at re formatting the lot! I will need to spend more time considering the high end video. I can however start with the MP4 small WMV and flash Thank you Miss Hybrid | |
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| 03-27-10 02:11am - 5168 days | #28 | |
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larss (0)
Disabled User Posts: 50 Registered: Mar 20, '10 Location: London |
Have to agree here. My laptop just cannot cope with HD1080, and my PC, although I recently upgraded the video card is not much better. I don't really need to be able to see the pores in the skin! | |
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| 03-27-10 04:39am - 5168 days | #29 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
If you are having problems playing back 1080P on a modern video card (Nvidia 8000 series or better or Radeon HD 2000 series or better) the problem is either you are using a player that does not support DXVA or the video you are playing has not been encoded properly. I find that most WMV-HD files that are available on porn sites have not been encoded to compliant standards thus your CPU will be doing all the work. To playback high bitrate 1080P with the cpu alone you will likely need at least a dual core 2.5 GHz CPU plus a player that is capable of using both cores. H.264 encoded videos on the other hand I find are usually encoded correctly and the decoding can be offloaded to the graphics card. For playing hardware accelerated video I use MPC-HC which allows me to put my laptop into power save mode which reduces the CPU speed to 1 GHz and still play 1080P video without any problems. If you dont have a modern graphics card you can try using Core AVC to do the decoding. While this is still a software decoder, meaning the work will be done on the CPU, it is a lot more efficient and can mean that even on low spec, older PC's, playback can be smooth. It only supports H.264 so playing back even compliant WMV-HD files is a no-go. With Core AVC is was able to play most 1080P ~8mbps files on a 2.4 Ghz single core Pentium 4 but the CPU was under full load most of the time. Which is why I recommended providing 1080P video encoded with H.264 The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 03-27-10 04:45am - 5168 days | #30 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Mr Frosty, I am researching the H.264 at the moment. It seems that it may be just right for the large size high br files I will be adding. Thank you Miss H | |
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| 03-27-10 02:15pm - 5168 days | #31 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Thank you everyone for the help. I have all of my new formats sorted now. I will be adding them in the morning. I will obviously post here and see what you think. This is very radical for me as I was naively, very happy with my WMV. | |
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| 03-27-10 11:54pm - 5167 days | #32 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
ahhh, WMVS are great in my opinion. Honestly, the best videos that I've seen encoded are at 1280 X 720 with 4000 kbps. Great sized file, awesome looking, and universally known. DivX/Avi tends to not work on a lot of HD tuners and so on, it's so weird. Seems to be a bunch on encryptions that screws these players up. Honestly, to answer your question about what's reasonable: I would say do a high res/hd option of at least 1280 X 720 at ~4000 kbps with maybe two options of wmv or mp4. This seems to be the trend with formats. If you go higher, I guess that's better but it is what it is. I can guarantee you that you will get some extra members with extremely high res and bitrates, some people just can't get enough and higher is better for people. I think a lower res option at like 720 X 480 with 2000 kbps will help people with hoarding problems or hard drive space. Streaming, I can't tell you shit. I don't use it at all. Some times a cool slide show option on a site for pics is pretty cool. Like, it automatically changes pics at the highest pic res every 5-10 seconds. Awesome feature for sure. Good luck with your site and while I have been lingering in the background with all the drama that appears to be going on...., I do wish you success and it seems you have some loyal members already. My wish for you is to always remember the loyal members :) They are there for you and while appeasing the masses should always be prevelant, remember the loyals love you the most! I'm sure you know this but a lot of models forget this and forget updating blogs and/or communication. Take care and welcome to the PU community. Sexted From My iPad | |
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