Thanks for all of the clarification. It's great to get it from one who is quite possibly The World's Foremost Expert on the Work of Eve Angel!
I'd come close to joining it myself but I'll hold back until enough really exclusive stuff comes up. It's not easy, as I'm pretty sure that the May 28th update is a remastering that includes Eve laying belly down flat in what must be one of the most delicious backside displays ever! IMHO, of course. I'm a total fool for that!
Here's idea: Join for six months, give your wife the first autographed picture, then repeat to get one for yourself. Just a thought.
I wasn't really defending Nubiles.net or my friend (Nubiles.net WebMaster) I was merely pointing out other Models that appear twice at Nubiles under different names and Nationalities.
But I think I need to point out to you how Models get their Names and aliases.
Alena (Amanda Heart, Daniela, Holly, Luca, Lucky, Lucie, Lucie T.,
Lucie Theodorova)
Andrea (Adrienne Coyne, Jennie, Jenny, Jenny Sanders)
Cindy (Cindy Hope, Klau, Klaudia)
Dana (Anita, Belinda, Claudia, Courtney, Dana, Donna, Jo, Josie, Juliana Sage, Juliane, Julianne, Molly, Monia, Monica, Monica Nagy, Monica S, Monika W, Monika, Monika N, Monika Nagy, Monika Sweet, Moniq, Sally, Samantha)
All these Models are named by WebMasters, Production Companies, and other Porn Industry Companies. Each one of those Names in or out of the () correspond to a Name they have at either Other WebSites or in DVDs they have done. Yes there are a few Models known by only one name like Peaches, for example. WebMasters and those other mentioned Companies can name a Model whatever name they like to name her.
I'm about 20 years older than you and that is how it has always been in the Porn Industry.
I'd like to point out that they are now aware of Cindy aka Klaudia as the same Model. Not everyone is Perfect and the Cap't. (WebMaster of Nubiles.net) got tricked into thinking it was a different Model. This Model first appeared as Klaudia and then came back as Cindy about the time Nubiles.net was going to adding one Hardcore Model a week.
I have seen Model Index Sites saying that Nubiles Model Katerina and Kathleen are the same Model also. Nubiles Model Kim and Tera are also the same Model. But that is the only mistakes Nubiles.net has made.
I know the WebMaster there tries NOT to make mistakes like that and involves alot of work to correct it than it is worth.
Sorry man, I did misunderstood what you said. I should put a warning there. That is a wonderful idea to use titles in our review. Anyway the webmaster contacted me. Their techs are trying to resolve the issue. I just hope they do it soon especially with labor day weekend. Your right most websites wouldn't offer refunds but usually try to compensate for the customer if there are problems. What pissed me off more was I felt they ignored me, I didn't really care about the refund. I just wanted my problem fixed or given the assurance it was being look into and I am being updated on it. If I can call them by phone I would so they can see what I am seeing. The thing is there are the tools available to do this. If I was logging into their server they should see how much bandwidth I am using or whatever problems I am having thru their server. I'll go ahead and put a warning on my review right now for a heads up to everyone.
I said in my review I didn't have any problems while living in the USA. I see your living in the states so of course your not going to have any issues with this website from the problems I am having. Anyway a great website or a great business can make or break it simply from quality customer service. If you bought something really expensive from a huge store which has everything you could want but you end up getting a defect and you attempt to return it for a refund and the store refuses would you continue to do business with that store? If a business is only going to do so much to help a customer because of policy or just want to keep your money and leave you hanging, I am sure you will be just as upset as I am. Remember, it only takes one bad thing to make a bad impression on someone and I am saying it happens in life in general no matter how good something is. 1by-day has broken a business trust. If they had refund my money I would have given them a decent rating of 90 because made it effort to help a dissatisfied customer. I would do business with them again but only when I get back to the US but after this scenario hell no.
They have good material, exotics, but my experience with having joined with a good deal was horrible - trying to cancel is a miserable experience and their Customer Service is horrendous.
I agree that it must be hard for a young woman to get aroused in front of a camera crew, lights, etc. especially if the stunt cock isn't attractive to her, and in any case is rushed and mechanical. I would be interested if you list specific videos or actresses representing "the most aroused females in porn ... in solo or girl/girl sets". Then I could take a look without sifting thru hundreds where they aren't aroused! I have been providing such lists in my reviews and I hope others will begin doing the same. Anyway, there are plenty of aroused young females in porn, but you have to look hard sometimes to find them. Again, see the lists in my reviews for some winners. As for your Viv Thomas tip, too bad my TeenDreams subscription has already expired.
Joined the site a few days ago and so far I've been able to download more than 10 gb/day without being blocked. Today I dl 20 gb! The new "beta" website has been implemented. You have to click for the old one.
I actually almost joined her site and then like you, I was watching a dvd and I noticed the scenes looked familiar. They were from her site. I also notice that unless her preview pages aren't all the content then she doesn't update very often.
As we've now been drawn into this "discussion", I feel compelled to say (for the record) that we (PU Mgm't) see absolutely no indication that asmith12 is associated with kink.com
Now, as I've mentioned to both of you privately, I feel it's time for you guys to wrap this "discussion" up ... it's starting to turn into a discussion about the discussion and personal differences rather than a discussion dealing with real issues related to the poll question.
Perhaps you can just agree to disagree and move forward from here.
Make no mistake, we appreciate the adult manner with which you've both conducted your debate thus far but, at this stage, have to wonder if continuing the debate can really have any productive results. So, neither of you has to lose face by quitting the debate ... just consider it doing me a favor.
Thanks a bunch for the info, as never being a member before and with your info provided, I believe I shall add it to the list. Once again, appreciate the detailed response.
> Of course, the link doesn't work
As of now, it still works (if you removed all the spaces manually as I've asked); alternatively, there is an alias (I hope it won't be corrupted by forum software as it happened with the original one): http://tinyurl.com/mhenlz
> An apology to you? For what? The "allegation" wasn't against you.
You have alleged that "main page for Ultimate Submission changed the wording over the last 24 hours" because of your referring to "brutal leg scissors" in your reply to me, implying that I'm affiliated with kink.com. As you have already admitted above, this allegation was ungrounded; I'm still sure it requires an apology to me PERSONALLY for alleged affiliation, which is a very serious allegation for PU member. If you think otherwise - it's up to you, I don't care much, and will just hope that the rest of PU users will make their own conclusions about members who are making serious false allegations and not apologize afterwards.
As for your allegations (or whatever else) about kink.com - this is another story, and I don't care at all (I think you're wrong about it, but this is ok to have different opinions, the concept which you don't seem to embrace, resorting to personal attacks and allegations instead of discussing the subject).
> As for where it was changed, you probably need to clear your cookies
> to get the Click yes if over 18 to enter. The changed part is in the
> last paragraph, "Female wrestling holds on UltimateSurrender.com
> include severe leg scissors, head scissors, boston crab, back
> breaker, full nelson, grapevine and more. Enjoy women in bondage
> photos, movies, streaming video, and shoots you can buy at
> UltimateSurrender.com!"
Very good, exactly as I've suspected. I don't think we can argue on ANY other issue until we clear out this allegation of yours. I would like to ask you (and everybody else for this matter) to take a look at the page http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:8LJi...esurrender.com/+site:ultimatesurrender.com+%22severe+leg+scissors%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
It is Google cache page for the page in question, and it clearly says TWO THINGS: 1. "It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Aug 13, 2009 00:11:47 GMT" (which was BEFORE this poll has even started, leave alone my comments on it). 2. "Female wrestling holds on UltimateSurrender.com include severe leg scissors, head scissors, boston crab, back breaker, full nelson, grapevine and more. Enjoy women in bondage photos, movies, streaming video, and shoots you can buy at UltimateSurrender.com! " - note "SEVERE leg scissors" there, and according to Google it has been there AT LEAST FOR A WEEK NOW!
Given this (unless you'll accuse me that my name is indeed Sergey Brin or Eric Schmidt and I've changed Google cache recently), it seems to me that you owe me some kind of apology. As soon as you admit it and apologize, we can continue our discussion.
> and in it, I mentioned that you sounded like you were part of the
> kink.com family. The way you defend them and so on.
Really? I don't remember, though I didn't really care then and I don't really care now. FWIW, I'm not affiliated with kink.com in any way (except for being their loyal customer for ages).
> So, tell me, why is it that their main page for Ultimate Submission
> changed the wording over the last 24 hours? It changed from "Brutal
> leg-scissors" to "Severe leg-scissors".
No idea (though I agree it should look rather suspicious to you). If it has indeed happened (I didn't check their home page for years) it probably means that they've read this discussion (it's public, you know).
> Their site clearly says, "The rules are set. There are three tags
> per team per round and three 12 minute non-scripted wrestling
> rounds."
Ok, so sue them :-). Personally I don't see any conflict between what they're saying and what they're providing. If you do - ok, it's your right to disagree or sue them, or setup a poll at PU to ask the others about their feeling about it.
> IF ultimate submission is not scripted, they would be in jail. In
> the world of REAL wrestling, if one wrestler popped a finger in the
> other wrestler's ass, that would be molestation/sexual assault.
Depends on your definition of REAL wrestling, but for "unscripted" wrestling I don't see why it should be illegal by default, IF THE MODELS SIGNED AGREEMENTS WHICH EXPLICITLY ALLOW THEIR OPPONENT TO DO IT. Last time I've checked, US (and especially California) has been rather supportive of the idea of consenting adults being able to enter in a rather wide range of contracts; still, if you feel they're violating the law, please feel free to sue them (especially as you've said that you're browsing adult sites with some kind of government money - didn't you)?
> these moves are not done with the intention of hurting each other
I think yes.
> or winning the match, then it is scripted.
I hope no. Why you're making "hurting each other" a synonym of "winning the match"? Sport is indeed possible without hurting each other (at least hurting too much), isn't it? Then why are you so sure that it's impossible to create a set of rules which will allow for unscripted wrestling with elements of sex but not hurting each other? I tend to believe kink.com that it's indeed unscripted (though obviously their rules are VERY different from any other set of wrestling rules); could be that I'm too willing to believe it, but at this point I don't see reasons why it should inevitably be scripted (BTW, "real" professional wrestling like WWE looks and most likely is, MUCH more scripted, then UltimateSurrender, that's for sure).
> porn is a perceived fantasy
Right, but only "by default", until explicitly told otherwise. And BTW, majority here on PU (2:1 if excluding "Other" votes) is on my side about this whole "teen models" issue, which (as I've shown in one of posts above) does matter.
> When anyone who has surfed porn for
> even a relatively short time goes to a site, say like, Teen Dreams,
> they know there are models that are not 18 and 19.
Right. But IF the site says "we're using only teen models on our site", or "we're using only gay models on our site", it becomes verifiable and objective statement. "Mature" on the other hand is still subjective. Why? I don't know and don't care.
> Your monitor example did nothing but strengthen what I said. They
> said their monitors were 17 inches, but the viewable area was only
> 15.8 inches. That is specific.
Exactly. And that's exactly why they've got beaten pretty hard for doing it.
> The definitions I used were relevant in the discussion, as it
> showed that the word Teen does have definitions in different
> languages that mean a time of life.
There is no way how German translation can affect an ad in English, but I won't argue with you on it anymore, because I hope that it's already very obvious to anybody else, and persuading you is obviously impossible.
> You really believe "brutal" means hot and innovative?
Nope, and I've never said it. It is as subjective as those two, that's it.
> Honestly, I have no idea what the first half of your post is saying.
It basically says that reference to "how the word 'teen' is translated into German" is completely irrelevant to the question of honesty in advertising, see also below.
> I felt like I used the correct contextual definitions
Once again: if the word you've mentioned for German, is not STRICTLY EQUIVALENT to "teen models" within the adult site context, it's not a correct translation of "teen" (by definition of correct translation) and therefore is irrelevant. If it IS strictly equivalent, then I don't see any potential point which applies to "teen models" discussion (therefore, I see it as irrelevant too).
> I said if the sites got together and defined teen as 18-19 year old
> models, there would be a possibility of fraud. As it stands now,
> there is no clear definition of "teen" model.
Here you have a point, BUT here such a thing as user perception and expectation comes into play. Do you remember the case with advertised size of CRT monitors (which if I remember correctly ended up with penalties AND requirement to show monitor viewable size to the end-users)? It happened because when end-user have seen ad with "17"-monitor", he was reasonably expecting 17" of VIEWABLE area. The very same logic IMHO applies to "teen models".
> They advertise brutal leg scissors.
"Brutal" in my books is in the same league as words like "hot", "innovative", "attractive", "industry leader" and so on and so on; it's a very standard ad practice to use words which are essentially unverifiable subjective claims (with key words being UNVERIFIABLE and SUBJECTIVE, therefore it's up to ad writer if he thinks it's indeed "attractive", "industry leader", or "brutal"). It is BTW is VERY different from saying "award-winning" (which can be verified and therefore requires to be substantiated to be honest; which award it was is another story, but SOME award is indeed necessary to qualify as honest).
> They also advertise "unscripted" then say "3 tags per round" in the > tag team matches. That's scripted!
Nope. Per their rules, 3 tags per round are only ALLOWED for each of competing teams to be exercised (and they USUALLY happen, as they're very beneficial for the team), but are not required. Therefore, I don't see any false advertisement here either.
Overall, the only potential argument I see about "teen models", is if "teen models" claim is in the same league that '17"-monitor' and "award-winning" (opposed to "hot" and "innovative"). IMHO "teen models" is a verifiable and non-subjective claim, therefore I interpret deviating from this claim as false advertisement.
I thought I was reading a James Bond parody when I read your reply of brutal leg scissors, the dreaded nipple twister, the pussy grind aided face sit and the 3 finger jammer-slammer.
Would even James Bond be able to stand up to female opponents using these dreaded techniques?
> For example, the German word for teen is "jugendlich",
Assuming that your further interpretation of this word is correct, it means that it is NOT a correct translation for "teen" in this context, as correct translation by definition is the one which preserves meaning, and this word doesn't. "Teen models" in English-speaking adult-only world means exactly as you've said, "18 and 19 year old models", and it is a job of translator to provide the same meaning when translating it into other languages (even if it will mean translating short English "Teen" into several words in German).
Speaking of the gooey and messy orgasms, do they use lube to make the girls look wetter, kinda like ALS Scans does? I've seen a few preview videos and it doesn't look like they do. But was just wondering before I decide whether to join the site or not.
Hi exotics4me, Thanks for the input. I will definintely add more beef to my review to back up my score as well as patch up some of the missing holes people might who are curious about joining this website
Ah, I totally overlooked the video stats on TBP and you are completely right. It would be a probably a one time stay so the updates are not a huge issue for me. You said going back, so you have been a member, how was the billing processor when you were a member before? I am extremely nervous about this myself with a certain past experience straying away from the usual suspects. I trust your judgement and with your experience with the photo quality combined with the average videos, thumbs up for one a month stay if the billing processor is non-problematic?
Hum. I hope this is good news and not an error that will be corrected soon. When I was there the 15 large movie per day was there and it was there every day. Sounds good, but I am curious to see if it stays this way.
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