Excellent review, as usual.
Like a well-packed sandwich.
Some of your reviews are more interesting than the sites you review.
LOL.
(Not a criticism, more like a complement, I hope.)
My brain started to short out from trying to figure out the difference between porn, eroticism, a shoe catalog, and this pay site.
I would need a new brain before I started to think about PU/TBP standards. Though I am sure the PU/TBP standards are exceedingly high. (I don't want the PU staff kicking me off the site because I am not showing sufficient respect for their high moral standards and whatnot.)
Personally, I am not into shoe catalogs. But I don't mind looking at photographic books of movie stars. That is not erotic(I don't think), but the older movie stars had some great-looking women. Head shots, wearing lovely dresses, or even casual, they had glamor, an aura, just beautiful to look at.
Since the site is non-nude, maybe it qualifies as some sort of fetish. But does it qualify as porn?
Some people have a fetish about shoes, but I would not classify a shoe catalog from some retail store as porn, even though a shoe fetishist might use the catalog to excite himself/herself.
From Wikipedia, which is not a dictionary but an encyclopedia:
"Pornography or porn is the depiction of explicit sexual subject matter for the purpose of sexually exciting the viewer. Pornography makes no claim to artistic merit, unlike erotica which does."
This site is non-nude, and I assume there is no "depiction of explicit sexual subject matter". So why would it be considered porn?
Or maybe the site is supposed to be erotic.
But if a book store had a photographic book with pictures from this site, I doubt they would classify the book as either pornographic or erotic.
Rick, thanks for the explanation on capcha and the tip on using it.
This was only my second nomimation for a site review. I've been a member of PU for over 1 year now, so I figure I'm not included in the spam group.
Could you give me a reason or explanation why spammers would enter nominations or comments? It seems totally senseless to me. Or is it some kind of grafitti-type thing, where spammers just spam everything in sight as an exercise in power/artistic freedom/spite/who-the-hell-knows?
To submit a nomination for a new review, you have to enter the "secret words", to ensure that this is done by a real person, instead of a computer-automated program. I see more and more of that at different sites. It indicates a lack of trust. Are there really that many people spamming PU/TBP that it makes sense to require the "secret words" program?
Some of the programs make it difficult for a human to read the secret words, because the letters/numbers are distorted so much.
I am not a member of Club MetArt.
I am a member of MetArt.
The preview page for Club MetArt gives very little information.
But what the preview page appears to show includes the 4 galleries for today's update at Club MetArt.
Those 4 galleries are the same 4 galleries for today's update at MetArt.
So I don't understand what the reason is for Club MetArt to exist.
Or why anyone would join the site - because the membership price for Club MetArt is higher than for MetArt, and Club MetArt gives you far less content.
Separately, what is your normal download speed? Just curious to compare it to my download speed.
I know you told me before, but my brain has trouble retaining facts (and ideas).
Just one of the benefits of growing older, I guess.
Still more separately: You state in your review you scored MetArt high.
You gave it a score of 88.
In my last review of MetArt, I gave it a score of 99.
In my first review of MetArt, which was also my first review at PU, I gave it a score of 97.
I've said that, in my opinion, MetArt is the best softcore photo site on the internet.
I paid for a lifetime membership to MetArt. Because I was tired of paying a monthly or yearly fee to join.
But you gave an excellent review of MetArt, and I can certainly understand why you scored it 88. And you were being generous, because, as you explained very clearly, the site contents did not appeal to your tastes. But your review of MetArt was detailed and informative, and clearly spelled out its strengths and weaknesses.
BECAUSE I DID NOT GET A CONFIRMING EMAIL FROM CLUB SEVENTEEN FOR MY CANCELLATION, I ALSO TRIED CANCELLING THROUGH vxsbill.com, WHICH SENT ME MY CONFIRMING EMAIL WHEN I JOINED CLUB SEVENTEEN.
I WAS SURPRISED (AND PLEASED) WHEN I GOT A CONFIRMING EMAIL FROM vxsbill.com ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
THE CONFIRMING EMAIL STATED:
I set your membership for Clubseventeen.com to cancel.
It expires on Jul 13, 2017.
FAST RESPONSE, AND GREAT SERVICE. MY THANKS TO VSXBILL.
USED THE CLUB SEVENTEEN SITE TO CANCEL.
CANCELLING PROCESS WAS EASY.
BUT I DID NOT GET A CONFIRMING EMAIL FOR CANCELLATION.
SO I WILL CHECK MY CREDIT CARD BILL NEXT MONTH, TO SEE IF I AM CHARGED FOR A CONTINUING MEMBERSHIP.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL CONFIRMING MY CANCELLATION.
WHEN I JOINED THE SITE, I WAS SENT AN EMAIL CONFIRMING MY MEMBERSHIP, WITH FULL DETAILS
(PRICE CHARGED, LOGIN DETAILS, ETC.).
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE SITE THAT WAS GIVING ME THE WARNING, AND NOT MY BROWSER.
BUT I STILL THINK THE PAYSITES SHOULD HAVE AN HTTPS PAGE FOR LOGINS.
BECAUSE THE PAYSITES REQUIRE A USERNAME AND PASSWORD TO ENTER THE MEMBERS AREA, AND IF THE ACCOUNT DETAILS (USERNAME AND PASSWORK) ARE HACKED, THE MEMBER WILL BE PENALIZED BY BLOCKED ACCESS, AT THE LEAST.
I SHOULD HAVE REALIZED IT WAS THE FIREFOX BROWSER, BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN THE WARNING MESSAGE ON LOGGING IN TO DIFFERENT PAYSITES. I GUESS I JUST WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION IN THE PAST ABOUT THE NON-SECURE LOGINS.
EXCEPT IF I DO BANKING OR GIVE MY CREDIT CARD DATA, I ALWAYS CHECK THAT THE CONNECTION PAGE IS SECURE.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
-PU DISOCUNTED MEMBERSHIP PRICE OF $10.51/MONTH RECURRING.
-A HUGE AMOUNT OF CONTENT-PHOTOS AND VIDEOS. CLUB SEVENTEEN HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1975, SO IT HAS THOUSANDS OF HARDCORE PHOTOS, THOUSANDS OF VIDEOS, THOUSANDS OF MODELS.
-NO DOWNLOAD LIMITS.
-MOST OF THE OLDER MATERIAL IS FROM CLUB SEVENTEEN. MUCH OF THE NEWER MATERIAL APPEARS TO BE LEASED CONTENT.
YOU ALSO GET BONUS MATERIAL FROM OTHER PAYSITES LIKE NUBILES, METART, ETC.
Cons:
IMPORTANT CONS:
-YOU CAN NOT CHOOSE YOUR USERNAME AND PASSWORD. THEY ARE ASSIGNED TO YOU.
NOTE: THE JOIN PAGES STATE THAT THE LOGIN INFORMATION WILL BE SENT TO YOU BY EMAIL. HOWEVER, THE MEMBERSHIP CONFIRMING EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED, DID NOT SHOW MY LOGIN DETAILS, OR THE MEMBERSHIP PRICING.
SO WRITE DOWN YOUR LOGIN DETAILS AND THE PRICING FROM THE JOIN PAGE.
-NON STANDARD PAYMENT PROCESSOR: IMCBILL.COM. I PREFER CCBILL OR EPOCH, WHICH ARE RELIABLE PROCESSORS.
WHEN CCBILL OR EPOCH SENDS YOU A MEMBERSHIP CONFIRMING EMAIL, THEY INCLUDE YOUR LOGIN DETAILS, AND THE MEMBERSHIP PRICES YOU AGREED TO.
-NON-SECURE LOGIN PAGE.
THERE IS A POP-UP WARNING ON THE LOGIN PAGE (WHERE YOU ENTER YOUR LOGIN DETAILS TO ENTER THE SITE) THAT STATES:
THIS CONNECTION IS NOT SECURE. LOGINS ENTERED HERE COULD BE COMPROMISED.
THEY GIVE YOU A WARNING THAT IF YOU WANT TO ENTER THE MEMBERS AREA, YOU DO SO THROUGH A NON-SECURE PAGE, THAT CAN BE HACKED. FUCK THEM.
CONS CONTINUED BELOW:
Bottom Line:
STANDARD CONS (COMMON TO MANY PORN SITES):
-PRE-CHECKED CROSS SALE ON JOIN PAGE.
-MANY OF THE VIDEOS ARE NON-EXCLUSIVE.
-GENERIC FILE NAMES. HAVE TO MANUALLY RENAME THE DOWNLOADED FILES TO CATEGORIZE THEM.
-CANCELLATION CAN BE A PROBLEM. YOU DON'T GET A CONFIRMING EMAIL ON CANCELLATION, SO CANCELLATION STATUS IS UNCERTAIN.
-NAVIGATION AND SITE STRUCTURE IS BASIC.
YOU GET A LOT OF TINY THUMBNAILS, THAT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE MADE ?IN THE 1980s.
THE THUMBNAILS ARE TINY, AND POOR QUALITY.
-DOWNLOAD SPEEDS ARE OK. 2-3 MB/sec. NOT SLOW, NOT FAST. I NORMALLY GET 3-5 MB/sec AT MANY PORN SITES. MY RATED ISP MAX DOWNLOAD SPEED IS 6.25 MB/sec.
-YOU CAN VIEW THE PHOTOSETS ONLINE IN A SLIDE SHOW. THE INDIVIDUAL PHOTOS ARE PRESENTED SMOOTHLY.
HOWEVER, THE SIZE OF EACH PHOTO ONLY TAKES A SMALL PORTION OF THE COMPUTER SCREEN. SO IT'S MUCH BETTER TO DOWNLOAD THE PHOTOSET ZIP, AND VIEW THE PHOTOS OFFLINE.
BOTTOM LINE:
IT SEEMS THIS SITE HAS BEEN AROUND FOREVER. THEY ADVERTISE THEY'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 1975.
A TON OF HARDCORE TEEN CONTENT.
FOUR MAIN PORTALS FOR CLUB SEVENTEEN
-CLUB SEVENTEEN (THE MAIN SITE, VIDEOS AND PHOTOSETS)
-SEVENTEEN LIVE (LIVE CAM GIRLS)
-BONUS ARCHIVE(VIDEOS FROM OTHER PAYSITES LIKE NUBILES, METART, ETC.)
-DVD ARCHIVE (DVDs FROM CLUB SEVENTEEN, PLUS OTHER SITES)
-I DON'T WANT TO BE OVERLY CRITICAL. BUT THE PHOTOSETS LOOK LIKE THEY WERE MADE BY AN AMATEUR BACK IN THE 1980s. IF YOU ARE INTO COLLECTING CLASSIC PORN, THE SITE PRESENTS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DOWNLOAD A BOATLOAD OF VIDEOS AND PHOTOSETS.
BUT THE QUALITY OF THE VIDEOS AND PHOTOSETS IS POOR, COMPARED TO WHAT IS BEING OFFERED AT MANY COMPETING PORN SITES. CLUB SEVENTEEN IS BEST VIEWED AS AN ARCHIVE SITE THAT HOLDS A HUGE AMOUNT OF LOW QUALITY CONTENT.
THAT IS A SHAME. BUT ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY.
BECAUSE OF THE VAST AMOUNT OF CONTENT OF MODELS FROM YEARS PAST.
I ONLY WISH THE QUALITY WAS BETTER.
THE GIRLS ARE MAINLY CUTE. BUT THE PHOTOS AND VIDEOS ARE LOW-GRADE: CHEAP SETS, AMATEUR-STYLE VIDEOS. THERE ARE MUCH BETTER SITES THAT CATER TO THE EARLY-PORN OF THE 1990S AND EARLY 2000S. WHERE THEY HAVE CUTE GIRLS AND THE PHOTOS ARE MUCH BETTER QUALITY. THE NEWER MATERIAL, LIKE THE VIDEOS, ARE LOW-BUDGET VIDEOS WHERE THE SETS ARE CHEAP, THE CLOTHES ARE CHEAP, THE TYPE OF VIDEOS THAT TEEN MEGA WORLD MADE 10 YEARS AGO AND HAS SINCE MOVED ON TO MORE EXPENSIVE SETS, BETTER CAMERA-WORK, BETTER LIGHTING, MORE ATTENTION PAID TO THE APPEARANCE OF THE MODELS.
THERE ARE FREE TUBE SITES WHERE MOST OF THE VIDEOS ARE HIGHER QUALITY THAN THE VIDEOS AT CLUB SEVENTEEN.
WHICH IS RIDICULOUS. WHY PAY FOR A SITE THAT GIVES YOU LOW-QUALITY PHOTOS AND VIDEOS WHEN YOU CAN GET BETTER QUALITY PHOTOS AND VIDEOS FOR FREE?
HOWEVER, THEY DO HAVE THOUSANDS OF MODELS, MANY OF THEM EXTREMELY CUTE, AND YOU CAN BROWSE THROUGH THE MODEL LISTING TO SEE YOUR OLD FAVORITES HERE, IN GALLERIES AND VIDEOS.
SO, IF YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING HIGH GRADE PHOTOS OR VIDEOS, AND WILL BE SATISFIED WITH A BOATLOAD OF HARDCORE TEEN PORN, CLUB SEVENTEEN MIGHT BE WORTH A ONE-MONTH MEMBERSHIP. OR NOT.
PU/TBP is based in the U.S., and that is why the prices they show are the U.S. prices these sites charge. (I believe that's why they are showing the U.S. prices.) Even though in some cases there can be regional pricing, but PU/TBP doesn't normally list the prices that might be charged for non-U.S. customers. That would require a lot of extra work, and they have a lot of work involved trying to list the current U.S. prices for the sites, along with any discounts that might apply.
Anyway, I was trying to show, in my reply, the prices a U.S. customer might see, or pay.
Because those are the prices I see when I click on the join pages for these sites. Since I live in the United States.
The PU/TBP sites list the membership price as $19.95 (U.S.).
But when you click on the link to the Club Seventeen site, and you then click on the join page link, when you get to the monthly price, you see, 19.95 euros (approximately $25.88 (U.S.). That is what you will see, if you live in the United States.
I live in California, part of the United States.
So this is a case where PU/TBP needs to update the price it shows (for U.S. members). Or maybe it can get the discount back into effect that it had before.
I agree that regional pricing is unfair, and should be abolished. But this instance is not a case of regional pricing, but apparently a case where the PU/TBP listed price no longer agrees with the price the site is charging.
I agree there are plenty of worse sites out there. Like you say, if you take the time to dig through the site you will find some nice pictures of attractive models. But as I get older, I'm less willing to spend a lot of time digging through the trash; I want quality photos (or videos) put on display where I can easily find them.
My suggestion of a score less than 70 for this site is really more of a quibble than a serious disagreement. I basically agree with the points you made in your review. I personally find it difficult to come up with a score for sites, because I believe a site score is very subjective. That's my belief, but I recognize that some people appear to believe their scores are written in stone and are based on immutable factors that should be obvious to all (I am not including you as part of that camp).
In spite of a number of attractive models, because of the high membership price and other negative factors of this site, it's not worth joining. So what is a reasonable score for a site that's not worth joining? Individual preferences vary wildly, but I think any score of 70 or above is too high for this site. That's just my opinion, of course, but I think that more emphasis should be put on making the score reflect the attractiveness/value of a site, as to whether the site is worth joining or not.
Site launched July 2009.
Almost no stats at TBP:
Number of videos: ?
Number of photos: ?
Quality of videos(resolution): ?
Quality of photos(resolution): ?
Exclusivity: ?
The preview pages are basically a few links with 1-minute preview videos for the models.
Number of models inside: ?, but from the preview pages, appear to be 14 models currently, a very tiny number.
From what I could see from 1 minute preview videos, the videos inside are probably exclusive.
The site features young girls (about 18-20 years old) dressed in flashy rock costumes, holding a guitar to prove they are rocker chicks (biker chicks go on a motorcycle, rocker chicks go with a musical instrument).
The site (a wild guess) probably has very few videos inside. The previews are visually clear,
With a fast connection, you could probably download the entire site in 1 day (a guess based on the limited number of models, the very limited number of 1-minute preview videos).
$29.95/month (recurring) seems like a big waste of money, based on the lack of site stats, the probability the site has only a small amount of content.
I think it's amazing so many people look at movies and TV on handheld devices. I prefer a full sized computer monitor, or my laptop monitor. The bigger the better.
Because of the problems you had with this site, I would have given the site a lower score than the 88 that you gave it. An 88 score for a site usually means a very good site with only minor problems.
Current Member for over 1 year (at the time of review).
Pros:
-PU discount of $14.95/month. Regular price is $29.95/month. But I have also seen where the "regular price" is $39.95/month.
-Epoch is the payment processor, a trusted name.
-There is an accompanying gallery for each video. The quality of the photos is quite good, especially for a hardcore teen video site. Good focus, good definition, good lighting.
-There is a zip file for each gallery.
-I really like the software mechanism the site uses, to allow you to easily view online each photo in any gallery, or to enlarge the photo with a single click.
-The quality of the models is extremely good. The models are mainly late teens, mainly attractive to very attractive. White Eastern European females.
-Female models have very little tattoos or piercings.
-The sex can be good to very hot.
-There is a good model index, which has nice-sized thumbnails of the model and hot links to her videos.
-Good download speeds. I average 3-4 MB/sec.
Cons:
-Some members complain the creampies are obviously fake.
-Pre-checked offer on join page, that renews at high price unless you un-check the offer, or cancel very fast.
-I have what I consider a fast connection (which might be slow compared to some PU members: My max download speed is about 5 MB/sec, which is the equivalent of 40 Mb/sec. Capital B stands for byte. Lower case b stands for bit.)
But when I stream some videos, the video stutters or plays unevenly. It's not a smooth experience. I don't know if this is a personal computer problem, or whether the site servers have some problem.
So the solution is to download the video file, and watch the playback on Windows Media Player, or VLC Player. But it's not as convenient as streaming the video.
-No model biography or personal data.
Bottom Line:
Site theme: creampies. A creampie is the guy ejaculating inside the girl's pussy or anus, or when the cum drips out.
The site started in May, 2011. So it's been around almost 5 years now. The site currently has 167 videos. The update rate varies. You get between 0 or 3 videos per month. So don't expect a lot of updates in a month.
However, you have 167 videos to browse at the site. And the more important thing is that you have access to the complete Teen Mega World network, which currently has 4,279 videos covering many niches.
You can join this site directly, or access it through the Teen Mega World network. Either approach costs you $14.95/month, with a PU discount. The site (and the network) gives you, for a low price, a large amount of good-quality videos (and galleries) of attractive teen models enjoying hardcore sex.
This is not a glamour site. You don't get photo shop or fancy costumes or a story-line plot to build the excitement or eroticism: this site (and the network) features what I think of as bread-and-butter hardcore sex. But the models are attractive teens. And the sex can be very hot.
So if you are in the mood for hardcore teen sex, this site (and network) is worth your money.
I am giving the site (combined with network access) a score of 92, because you get a huge amount of professionally shot videos of young teens who are attractive and hot in hardcore sex. For a very low price.
For what it offers, the network is one of the best bargains for teen hardcore sex.
But there are other sites or networks that are also excellent. Such as X-Art, or the Diesel network, that cover the glamour style for hardcore teen porn, at a higher price. And the selection of models at those sites can be incredibly lovely.
So the internet has many possibilities to cover your porn needs. And to fit your budget.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
-No DRM.
-No download limits.
-Long interval before site timeout.
-Easy login.
-The models are real teens. Mainly attractive.
-Access to 20+ other sites in the teen network.
-Easy transfer to other sites in the network (don't need to re-enter your login information, just select a hot link).
-Easy to use basic search: Search by model name returns all her content at the network, not just the current site you are at.
-Videos can be streamed online or downloaded.
-Zip file for photosets.
-The layout is the same as most of the other Teen Mega World sites, which makes the navigation fairly simple and easy.
Cons:
-Small site. Currently 32 videos (and matching photosets). The site is new. TBP states the site started in May, 2011 (this month).
But the first videos are dated starting 2010-11-02.
Only 32 videos, but site is currently updating. And you get access to over 20 other sites in the network.
-Irregular update rate. Based on video posting dates, you get 1 video (and matching photoset) every 10, 16, 13, 4, 4, 2, 4, 8 days or so.
-Models speak Russian(?), with no subtitles. But this is minor. There is very little talking before or during the sex.
-No model bio beyond the model's name and age.
Bottom Line:
This is one of the newest site offerings from Teen Mega World network (Royal Cash). The theme is creampies. In porn, semen shot into the vagina
or anus is usually referred to a creampie.
A pastry or pie that has a cream filling is also called a creampie, although someone eating a banana cream pie should first inquire if the filling is natural or artificial. (Joke)
Video runtime: about 25 minutes.
File size for high quality WMV file of 25 minute runtime: 847 MB.
Frame width x height: 1280x720.
Total bitrate: 4736 kbps.
Watermark: bottom right corner, not overly obtrusive.
There is a matching photoset for each video.
Number of photos per photoset: about 150.
Photo file size: 180 KB - 320 KB.
Photo width x height: 1440 x 960 pixels.
These are not art-house photos. But the photos are an excellent record of the video shoot. The individual photos are well shot: they are in focus, nicely framed. Good lighting, good colors for skin tones, good color for background and foreground sets. They are much better than simple screen shots.
A zip file is available for each photoset.
Download options include: high quality WMV, medium quality WMV, medium quality FLV, and a lower quality MP4 (for portable devices).
Streaming option available.
Basically, with the high quality WMV file, you get a good quality video to watch (good quality in terms of technical video: how the video was shot and recorded). The content is straight teen sex, with no frills.
The videos are shot inside, usually in a bedroom or living room. So it's easy to control lighting and sound. Good lighting means good film colors
(skin tones, color of background and foreground sets). A few videos could have used more lighting. There is no annoying music track. There is little or no background noise (street sounds, airplane noise, wind, annoying music or sounds from TV or CD player).
The camera-work is OK to good (steady camera, ok framing of shots).
This is straight bread-and-butter sex: No plot or buildup, a boy and girl start sex minutes after the video starts (You might count the few kisses
and groping the guy does as the buildup.) You get vaginal, anal, bj.The scenes end with a view of the girl's vagina or anus leaking cum (and with the guy and girl kissing a few times). This is a mix of porn and romance on the bread-and-butter level.
The girls do a lot of moaning and groaning during the sex. The early videos at this network from a few years ago had girls who were mainly silent during the sex. I guess they were told to make more noise (uhhh, nnhhhhh, uunnnn-uuhhhhhhh) to make the videos more exciting. The moaning and groaning is soft-to-conversational sound level, and the guys help out by contributing a few moans and groans.
Joining this site directly costs $29.95/month. Joining Teen Mega World for $19.95/month gives you access to Creampie Angels as well as over 20 other sites in the network. So save yourself $10 and join through Teen Mega World (using the PU/TBP discount link).
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