I'VE ALWAYS HAD GOOD LUCK WITH CCBILL AND EPOCH.
EASY TO DEAL WITH. NO OVER-BILLING, EASY TO CANCEL.
THAT'S JUST MY EXPERIENCE. I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK FOR EVERYONE'S DEALING WITH THEM.
BUT I TRUST CCBILL AND EPOCH, BASED ON MY TRANSACTIONS. WHICH HAS BEEN QUITE A BIT, OVER TIME.
I THINK THE SITE MADE A MISTAKE RAISING THE MEMBERSHIP PRICE TO $10/MONTH.
$8/MONTH WAS DIRT CHEAP, AND ENCOURAGED A LOT OF PEOPLE TO TRY TO THE SITE, AT LEAST ONCE.
THAT'S MY TAKE. WITHOUT ANY REAL SUBSCRIPTION FIGURES TO BACK IT UP.
THEY RAISED THE PRICE FAIRLY RECENTLY.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HOW THE PRICE INCREASE AFFECTED/WILL AFFECT THE MEMBERSHIP LEVEL.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM THAT THE OWNER/SITE PHOTOGRAPHER WANTS MORE MONEY FOR HIS WORK.
BUT IT'S JUST MY FEELING THAT A LOT OF MEMBERS WERE DRAWN TO THE $8/MONTH FEE.
AND WOULD NOT BE DRAWN TO THE $10/MONTH FEE, SINCE IT'S A SINGLE SITE ACCESS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE 1 YEAR MEMBERSHIP FEE, TO GO FROM $28 TO $30 IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.
BUT SINCE I DOUBT THE MEMBERSHIP FIGURES ARE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, IT'S A MOOT POINT.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE FIGURES FOR MONTHLY AND YEARLY MEMBERSHIPS.
JUST TO SEE HOW PEOPLE BEHAVE, IN VALUING THE SITE--WORTH A ONE MONTH MEMBERSHIP, VERSUS A ONE-YEAR MEMBERSHIP.
BUT IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS PAID FOR A COUPLE OF ONE-YEAR MEMBERSHIPS. IT MEANS THAT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THE SITE IS WORTH SUPPORTING.
BECAUSE ON A PRACTICAL BASIS, THE CHEAPEST WAY TO USE THE SITE WOULD BE TO JOIN FOR A MONTH, AND THEN WAIT A YEAR TO REJOIN FOR ANOTHER MONTH.
WHICH IS WHAT I SUSPECT MOST PU MEMBERS WOULD DO, IF THEY JOINED THE SITE AT ALL.
WHAT IS NICE IS THAT YOU GIVE A REVIEW OF A SITE THAT MANY PU MEMBERS KNOW, BUT THE REVIEW STILL SEEMS FRESH AND FILLED WITH WORTHWHILE OPINIONS.
I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT SOME GIRLS IN PORN, AFTER A FEW YEARS, SEEM TO HAVE AGED A LOT. FOR ME IT'S NOT BITTERSWEET, JUST FUCKING SAD.
BUT YOU PUT IT IN MORE POETICAL TERMS.
I BELONG TO MR SKIN.
THAT SITE HAS LOTS OF CELEB CONTENT.
BUT I HAVEN'T DOWNLOADED MUCH FROM THAT SITE.
SO MY COLLECTION ONLY HAS A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF CELEB CONTENT.
I JUST GAVE YOU A POSITIVE TRUST VOTE.
MAYBE I SHOULD START A THREAT, TELLING PU MEMBERS WE SHOULD START GIVING OUT MORE TRUST VOTES.
jook HAS BEEN CONTRIBUTING TO THE SITE FOR OVER 3 YEARS, BUT AS FAR AS TRUST VOTES GO, HE'S ALMOST INVISIBLE: 2 TRUST VOTES TOTAL.
A FEW WEEKS AGO, EARLY JANUARY, THERE WERE SERVER PROBLEMS AT DIESEL.
DOWNLOADING A 720p FILE WOULD TAKE HOURS, INSTEAD OF A FEW MINUTES.
I ALSO HAD TIMES WHEN I COULDN'T LOG IN TO THE NETWORK.
I GOT THE ERROR MESSAGE:
503 Service Temporarily Unavailable
I POSTED A COMMENT ABOUT THIS AT PU.
THE SERVER PROBLEMS WERE FIXED WITHIN A FEW DAYS.
HOWEVER, ANOTHER PU MEMBER SENT ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE THAT HE WAS HAVING VERY SLOW DOWNLOAD SPEEDS ABOUT A MONTH LATER AT DIESEL, COMPARED TO OTHER PAYSITES HE WAS USING.
DIESEL CUSTOMER SERVICE SEEMS HIT OR MISS.
WHEN I SENT AN EMAIL TO DIESEL CUSTOMER SERVICE STATING I WAS HAVING SLOW DOWNLOAD SPEEDS AND TROUBLE LOGGING IN, I GOT A REPLY A FEW DAYS LATER THAT THE PROBLEM HAD BEEN FIXED. NO OTHER EXPLANATION OR APOLOGY.
LATER, I HAD ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH DIESEL, SENT THEM AN EMAIL TO CUSTOMER SERVICE, AND NEVER GOT A REPLY.
NORMALLY, I'M HAPPY WITH THE SERVERS AT DIESEL. BUT THEY CAN HAVE PROBLEMS, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
LIKE I SAID IN MY REPLY, YOU CERTAINLY DESERVE THE TRUST BADGE,
FOR YOUR MANY REVIEWS AND COMMENTS.
PU MEMBERS DON'T GIVE A TRUST VOTE LIKE IN EARLIER DAYS.
BECAUSE MANY NEWBIES DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT CAN BE GIVEN.
AND THERE'S NOT MUCH PRACTICAL REASON TO GIVE OR RECEIVE A TRUST VOTE TODAY.
BUT LIKE I WROTE, MAYBE AMANDA AND THE PU STAFF CAN GIVE YOU SOME VOTES.
IF YOU HAVE NO OBJECTION, I CAN START A THREAD ASKING FOR PU MEMBERS TO START GIVING MORE TRUST VOTES.
AND MENTION YOUR NAME IN PASSING AS ONE OF THE MEMBERS WHO DESERVE THEM.
(IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S TOO TACKY. OR FAN-BOYISH.)
(I'M NOT GAY, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY PU MEMBERS CAN'T GET A BADGE-IF THEY WANT ONE.)
I GAVE YOU A POSITIVE TRUST VOTE ON 05-13-12, SOON AFTER YOU JOINED PU.
I WROTE: "2 nice reviews. Honest opinions. Good start."
I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU ARE ASKING FOR POSITIVE TRUST VOTES IN THIS REVIEW.
GETTING A BADGE DOES NOT SEEM TO MATTER MUCH FOR TODAY'S PU.
OF COURSE, IF THEY START MAILING OUT THE BADGES FOR REAL, MAYBE WE COULD START WEARING THE BADGES IN A PORN PARADE?
BUT MAYBE AMANDA AND SOME OF THE OTHER PU STAFF COULD GIVE YOU POSITIVE TRUST VOTES: YOU'VE CERTAINLY EARNED THEM WITH YOUR REVIEWS AND OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE SITE.
THANKS FOR THE REPLY.
YOU GIVE NICE DETAILS, SO IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN.
A LOT OF TIMES, PEOPLE POST IN GENERAL TERMS, SO IT'S NOT QUITE AS USEFUL.
I HOPE YOU FIND SOME SITES MORE TO YOUR LIKING.
AS TIME GOES ON, I FIND I'M GETTING A LITTLE TIRED OF MANY OF THE SITES I HAVE JOINED AND RE-JOINED.
LOOKING FOR SOMETHING NEW AND FRESH.
THEN AGAIN, I STILL HAVE SOME OLD FAVORITES. FOR WHEN I AM IN A DIFFERENT MOOD.
(TYPING IN CAP LETTERS: GETTING OLD, AND IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO READ. LOL.)
I'M NOT SURE IF NEW SENSATIONS WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR YOU.
THE OVERALL STYLE IS LIKE LOW-GRADE GLAMOUR.
IT'S NOT AS GLITZY OR SHARP AS X-ART, BLACKED, TUSHY, OR VIXEN.
THE PORN HAS MORE OF A STORY-LINE/PLOT THAN THOSE OTHER SITES.
MAYBE I'M JUST GETTING A LITTLE OVERDOSED ON PORN SITES, BUT I'M NOT REALLY A BIG FAN OF THE NETWORK.
THE MAIN PLUS IS THAT IT HAS A LOT OF CONTENT: OVER 6,000 VIDEOS. GOOD QUALITY (NOT SUPER-HIGH QUALITY LIKE THE GLAM SITES, BUT GOOD, PROFESSIONALLY SHOT VIDEOS.
A LOT OF ATTRACTIVE MODELS. OVER 2,000 TO CHOOSE FROM.
BUT THE VIDEOS LACK THE HEAT OR EXCITEMENT THAT WOULD MAKE THE NETWORK MEMBERSHIP A FANTASTIC BUY.
THANKS FOR THE COURTEOUS REPLY.
I WAS THINKING MY REPLY WAS A BIT SNIPPY.
DID NOT MEAN TO BE.
YOUR POINTS/QUESTIONS WERE CLEAR.
AND IT'S A GOOD QUESTION:
BUT MY GUESS IS THAT PORN IS STILL THE UNWANTED STEPCHILD, THAT IS KEPT IN THE CLOSET.
EXCEPT AT THIS SITE, WHERE WE HAVE A BIT OF ANONYMITY TO SHARE OUR IDEAS.
BY THE WAY, ARE YOU GETTING ANY BETTER DOWNLOAD SPEEDS AT TEAM SKEET?
I ANSWERED NO ONE.
ALTHOUGH, TO BE HONEST, I AM AWARE.
SO THE CORRECT RESPONSE WOULD BE "OTHER".
EXCEPT THAT "NO ONE" WOULD SEEM TO IMPLY: "NO ONE-EXCEPT ME".
HOWEVER, A LOT OF THE PU MEMBERS ARE AWARE THAT I HAVE A STASH.
How you are protected on your credit card information.
And other issues that could be important.
What impresses me is that most paysites do not clearly spell out most of these issues. Or even have a FAQ page that is easily found.
I also like the home page layout, that showcases links to the basic areas of the site/network, making navigation more easily understood.
There's a huge amount of content at the site and network, and the owners deserve credit for making the site layout easy to navigate. As well as credit for packing the site and network with a boatload of good to excellent hardcore porn.
Giving the site (and network) a score of 88.
The site is worth a join. The network access makes it an even better deal.
I USE 720.
I WATCH ON A 14" OR 20" MONITOR.
SO A 1080 FILE WOULD BE WASTED SPACE ON MY HARD DRIVE, WITHOUT ANY IMPROVEMENT IN THE VISUAL IMAGE.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
AND IT SEEMS TO BE TRUE, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
I DON'T HAVE A CURRENT SUB TO 21SEXTURY.
I DON'T REMEMBER READING ON ANY REVIEW THAT 21SEXTURY HAD DRM.
BUT I HAVE READ THAT DRM CAN BE DISABLED, BY HACKERS OR TECH GUYS WITH THE KNOWLEDGE.
THE ONLY THINK I CAN THINK OF IS THAT SOME SITES OFFERED AN OPTION TO RETURN TO THE SITE, AFTER YOUR SUBSCRIPTION HAS EXPIRED, AND VIEW SOME OF THE CONTENT YOU HAD BOUGHT (THAT WAS NOT DOWNLOADED ONTO YOUR PC).
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THIS OFFER IS FOR.
I SUGGEST SENDING SEPARATE EMAILS TO CUSTOMER SUPPORT AND TECH SUPPORT, ASKING WHAT THE "BUY IT FOR A LIFETIME" OPTION MEANS.
THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU THE CLEAREST ANSWER.
HOPEFULLY, ONE OR BOTH SERVICES WILL RESPOND QUICKLY ENOUGH TO END YOUR FRUSTRATION.
AND HOPEFULLY, YOU WILL POST THEIR RESPONSE ON THIS COMMENT, TO BENEFIT THE REST OF US PU MEMBERS.
IN A PERFECT WORLD, YOU MIGHT FIND PORN PAYSITES CHARGING $30-36 A YEAR FOR STREAMING ONLY SUBS.
BUT IN THE REAL WORLD, MY GUESS IS THAT PORN SITES ARE CHARGING STREAMING ONLY FOR WHAT THEY USED TO CHARGE FOR DOWNLOADS, AND CHARGING EXTRA FOR THE DOWNLOAD OPTION, IF THEY OFFER A DOWNLOAD OPTION.
LIKE SKIPPY SAID, IT'S A MARKETING DECISION.
IF THE THE MARKET (PORN CUSTOMERS WHO ACTUALLY PAY FOR PORN) SUPPORTS IT, THE SUPPLIERS WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CREATE WONDERFUL, BULLSHIT REASONS WHY THIS IS THE NEW, IMPROVED PARADIGM OF PORN IN THE 21ST CENTURY.
I PROBABLY WOULD NOT SUBSCRIBE.
I LIKE TO DOWNLOAD. TO KEEP A COLLECTION.
BUT WITH ALL THE TALK ABOUT STREAMING ONLY SITES,
I'M STARTING TO FEEL LIKE THE DINOSAUR IN THE ROOM.
BUT I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.
I HAVE TIME WARNER CABLE, NOW CALLED SPECTRUM.
I'VE HAD THEM A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
THERE IS NO DOWNLOAD LIMIT ON DATA.
I DON'T THINK THEY OFFER A SUBSCRIBER PLAN WITH A DATA DOWNLOAD LIMIT.
HOWEVER, T-MOBILE DOES OFFER PLANS WITH DATA DOWNLOAD LIMITS.
Giving Cruelty Party a score of 82.
If the site were scored as a stand-alone site, the score would be much lower. The main value of the site is in the network access, not in the site contents. The network videos are mainly professionally shot, with good lighting, good sound control, OK to good camera-work, but usually in a gonzo versus glamour style.
The Porn Pros network is not bad: You get a large collection of niche sites, with 1,000s of hardcore videos.
But the videos start to lose steam after a while, and you might want something different.
There are some good, hot videos at the network. You just have to search through a lot of OK to meh videos to find the ones you like.
They advertise that you get 24 sites with a basic subscription. That advertisement might have been true a year ago, but it appears that currently, you only get 16 sites with a basic subscription.
The basic pro with Cruelty Party is that you get access to the Porn Pros basic network of 16 sites.
This provides you with a lot of different niches.
The basic con with Cruelty Party is that it's a small site. Only 64 updates.
Cruelty Party was started around the beginning of 2010. It stopped updating in March 2013. That's about 4 years ago. So don't expect any new scenes. The theme was girls drinking and partying and having a good time, then having sex with one or more guys. I'm not sure where the cruelty fits in, because the sex is consensual, not rough, no biting, spitting, name-calling, or extreme gonzo action.
Maybe the owners thought that "cruelty" would be a selling point to attract subscribers. Except they didn't bother to follow through with putting cruel sex in the videos.
If group sex is your niche, the site provides 64 videos for your pleasure.
If group sex is not your niche, you get access to 15 other sites, most with more content to select from.
Most of the models at the network are attractive white teens. There is little variety, in age, race, or body type.
The teens are basically attractive, but they are not presented as glamour models: instead, the sex is hardcore gonzo, with little plot, little dialog worth hearing, little or no romance or affection--basically just suck and fuck.
If that's your bag, you have plenty of choices.
If you want more refined sex, more glamour, slightly more plot, go to a glamcore site, or visit a borderline glamcore/gonzo site like Diesel network.
My personal favorite site in the network is Massage Creep. Because I like the one on one (boy-girl), and the massage setup gives some variation and meaning to the sex. Where the masseur works to arouse the girl before he starts to bang her.
SKIPPY,
THANKS FOR THE EMAIL UPDATE.
I'M GLAD THE LINK WORKED.
I GOT THE OFFER IN 2013, HAVE BEEN A MEMBER SINCE THEN OF THAT SITE.
I'VE NEVER HAD ANY BILLING PROBLEMS.
THE PAYMENT PROCESSOR THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE OFFER WAS ROCKETGATE.COM.
YOU CAN TURN OFF THE PU INTERNAL EMAIL SYSTEM.
WHICH SEEMS TO BE BUGGY.
BOTH EMAILS I SENT TO YOU USING THE SYSTEM WERE REJECTED.
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