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RE: ok site

Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:12:25 PDT

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09-26-08 09:12am

COMMENT REPLY by uscue (28)

To mbaya (76):

Thanks, yeah I finally figured out how to view all the scenes by models on their tour site. They changed it a little as far as being able to view all scenes by a person.

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RE: ok site

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:23:52 PDT

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09-25-08 08:23am

COMMENT REPLY by mbaya (76)

To uscue (28):

I saw the scene you were talking about with Syd. It was a bit surprising that she lost but the video wasn't really very hot in my opinion. Her last video was on Sept.8 acording to the preview on the site.

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RE: ok site

Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:13:18 PDT

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09-25-08 08:13am

COMMENT REPLY by uscue (28)

To mbaya (76):

Do you know if Syd is still filming scenes? She was a beast as far as the wrestling goes. I noticed (in TGP galleries) that there is one time that she lost and that's a video I'd really like to see. Since every other scene has her using a strap-on as the winner, I want to see what it looks like when she's the one getting humiliated.

I do agree, back when I was a member a couple of years ago the scenes got boring after a while. They should join all their sites on a network - more incentive for some people to probably stay a member. I'm interested in all the other sites too but never joined.

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Ultimate Surrender Comment

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:54:05 PDT

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09-11-08 11:54am

COMMENT by mbaya (76)

ok site

It has been too long since I was a member to write a full review. However I still have many videos that I downloaded. The wrestling is just ok, the videos not clear enough to be really hot. It is very difficult to really see the girls in anything resembling a closeup as the shots are taken from too far away. The set has no personality, it is just the inside of a building and looks like a loft or warehouse. The sex parts are sometimes hot, but almost always vaginal use of dildos. Very rarely is there any anal use. Sometimes they seem to be not much into it, this is a real mixed bag. Using a dildo may be fun for some winners but, the best parts I felt were the forced cunt licking until orgasm. At least the winner got something out of winning. However most of the time the winner simply used a dildo vaginally on the loser or sometimes forced the loser to suck a plastic dildo, no big thrill for me,and seemed uninspired and unenthusiastic. Most of the time the winner was predictable as the matches were not close. Definitely don't join for the wrestling.

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:37:20 PDT

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06-25-08 01:37pm

REVIEW REPLY by Davit (46)

To exotics4me (301):

Well, you're not the only one my friend. I had to deal with some seriously childish arguments from the webmaster of 1 by Day after I gave some constructive criticism that he couldn't handle (even accused me of being a plant from another porn site, because of course no one could possibly genuinely dislike his site) - but happily I got LOTS of support from fellow PUs (even those that disagreed with my points) and he showed himself up for the petty little man he was.
I agree - we can make a difference!
Regards
Davit

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:54:03 PDT

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06-22-08 03:54am

REVIEW REPLY by exotics4me (301)

To Davit (46):

Hey Davit,

Yeah, that was a pretty ugly argument that I finally just gave up on. I don't know what was going on with asmith at that time, he seems to be a good member these days. I don't know if it was one of those moments where he tried to make himself better known by refuting an established member or what. Either way, his view never changed towards my reviews, even after I wrote the follow-up and gave the points back since the DL limit was lifted on Ultimate Surrender.

I do notice that our comments are read on here by sites. Less than a month after my review of US, they lifted the DL limit and less than a week after my comment on Viv Thomas's video site not letting Teen Dreams members download his content as bonus content, but only letting them stream it, he has gone back and started letting the Teen Dreams members download his movies, though they are only 750 bitrate, compared to 2000 on his site.

Thanks for the support on this one!

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:21:55 PDT

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06-21-08 05:21pm

REVIEW REPLY by Davit (46)

To exotics4me (301):

Just been reading through your unpleasant argument with asmith12 - let me add my support to your side! You gave your own opinion, based on verifiable facts, and so don't deserve to be 'mistrusted' based on that!

I found asmith's arguments ludicrous - comparing unlimited downloading to 'filling up a plate with food, then having to leave it to be thrown away'. Jeez, talk about tenuous. Downloads aren't perishables! They are there to be saved and accessed at ones leisure!

Keep up the good and honest reviews my friend. :)

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RE: Toadsith's Review

Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:29:18 PDT

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04-09-08 05:29pm

REVIEW REPLY by pat362 (32)

To Toadsith (46):

I did visit suicide girls a couple of times, but I've never been a big fan of extreme pierceings and tatoos. Unlees I'm mistaken that his most if not all their models. Actually there are 4 things that make me lose interest in a girl. Fake breasts (because most usually exagerate to a size that alters their entire body shape), Tattoos because most distract from the girls natural beauty, extreme body
piercings, and finally cosmetic surgery that alters the shape of the face.

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RE: Toadsith's Review

Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:31:47 PDT

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04-08-08 06:31pm

REVIEW REPLY by Toadsith (46)

To pat362 (32):

I agree that the pure shock value stuff bores me to tears. When I was a member of Suicide Girls, so many girls did suicide themed sets that it was just ridiculous. The very first one to do it was inspired; the rest needed their heads banged together.

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RE: Toadsith's Review

Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:19:53 PDT

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04-08-08 06:19pm

REVIEW REPLY by pat362 (32)

To Toadsith (46):

I can't claim that I don't enjoy what they offer since I've been a member of some of their sites and might join more often if it weren't for the high price. I just find that some scenes are too intense to turn me on. At least the intensity is not for shock value like I've seen on some other sites.

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RE: Toadsith's Review

Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:08:40 PDT

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04-07-08 07:08pm

REVIEW REPLY by Toadsith (46)

To pat362 (32):

Indeed the brutality of some of the scenes is quite too much for a large percentage of the porn audience; and that is the reason you really need to look through Kink's stuff, check out the free site and make damn sure you know what content you'll be getting access to. Otherwise it's just a bloody waste of money and might upset your day as well.

Of course for me, I'm part of the audience they are pandering to - so its all good, lol.

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RE: Toadsith's Review

Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:18:04 PDT

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04-07-08 06:18pm

REVIEW REPLY by pat362 (32)

To Toadsith (46):

Come on who doesn't look good in a "General Lee" T-shirt? My issue odly enough isn't so much with the content as much as the fact that girls get off on being, for lack of a better word, tortured. I'm sure it's consentual, but on some scenes I still have a hard time with it. You are correct that the newer stuff is one step higher, than most of the prior material.

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RE: Toadsith's Review

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:20:05 PDT

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04-06-08 07:20pm

REVIEW REPLY by Toadsith (46)

To pat362 (32):

I really do like Kink and their policies - while granted it is pretty difficult in publishable porn to go beyond my comfort zone, I do really appreciate Kink's policy of pre and post interviews to show that everything is done in good spirit. I have to say that Sex And Submission is one of those sites I'm really looking forward to joining in the future - I just have some other high priorities picks ready first.

I do have to say though, in regards to my experience with Ultimate Surrender and my limited experience with Fucking Machines - their production style and capability has come so mind-bendingly far that you don't want to really look at the old content. It is sort of like looking at younger pictures of yourself when you thought you looked awesome with that Dukes of Hazzard t-shirt stretched across your stomach - you just cringe and desperately find something better to look at.

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RE: Toadsith's Review

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:57:43 PDT

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04-06-08 06:57pm

REVIEW REPLY by pat362 (32)

To Toadsith (46):

Thanks for the info. I'll have too keep this one in mind. I've enjoyed some of their other sites like Whipped Ass, and Sex and Submission. I like a little S & M, but sometimes they seem to go beyond my comfort zone. Like most modern porn. The interaction between actors in some of their scenes is lacking any kind of chemistry. I joined earlier this Year Chanta's Bitches, and I find that she has good chemistry with most of the girls that go on her site.

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RE: Toadsith's Review

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:41:57 PDT

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04-06-08 10:41am

REVIEW REPLY by Toadsith (46)

To pat362 (32):

While there is a ton of strap-on sex - seriously, seriously rough strap-on sex - anal sex is a less common. Only a few of the models do it - largely I think because since strap-ons haven't any nerve-endings the model controlling it doesn't exactly know how rough she is being. That said, it isn't too uncommon. Anytime Amber Rayne loses you can expect to see copious anal sex - as she is a big fan of it. In fact, tag-team matches with her often see her getting DPed. It kind of pains me to know that she keeps becoming a better wrestler, as we see less and less of her on the receiving end.

None-the-less, this is still some of the most aggressive strap-on action I've seen - complete with gagging and all. And the wrestling matches themselves are quite engaging. Some point in the future I'll be rejoining to check out their new super-sized wrestling mat and how that changes the competition.

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RE: Toadsith's Review

Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:32:17 PDT

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04-06-08 10:32am

REVIEW REPLY by pat362 (32)

To Toadsith (46):

Hi Toadsmith. I've been curious about this site. I know that the winner of the wrestling match gets to abuse the other girl, but is there a lot of strap on anal sex between the performers.

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:18:41 PDT

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03-24-08 05:18pm

REVIEW REPLY by badandy400 (77)

To exotics4me (301):

I am glad we can all do our part to make the porn world better for everyone!

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:35:28 PDT

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03-23-08 10:35pm

REVIEW REPLY by exotics4me (301)

To badandy400 (77):

Hey badandy400, thanks for the reply, because of all the complaints, I guess here on PU and from regular customers, this site (Ultimate Surrender) and all others owned by kink.com, have dropped their DL limits. Which at least lets us know that our voices are being heard here at PU! I need to change my score for this site since they fixed that limit. Thanks again.

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:43:03 PDT

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03-18-08 05:43pm

REVIEW REPLY by badandy400 (77)

To exotics4me (301):

I have to agree that download limits are a terrible thing! I am extremely critical of sites that use them. I can understand sites using them to certain extents, but there is a limit to which they should be used. I have downloaded videos at more than 1 GB per part, just as Exotics said. Having low download limits is just a sneaky method of getting people to have to pay for multiple months and possibly forget about their membership and end up charged hundreds of dollars before realizing. Either that or they are trying to avoid buying more bandwidth, or both for that matter.

I will mention though that I did not have any issue with download limits a few months ago though, but that does not mean they are not there. Anything Eroitics says about a site should be taken seriously, after all he is the highest user here!

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RE: No Monthly Download Limit

Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:02:06 PDT

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03-18-08 12:02am

COMMENT REPLY by badandy400 (77)

To Toadsith (46):

I can confirm this. I downloaded their entire site in one day, so download limits are no issue here! This is not to say the site is small though, i was using a LAN connection! :)

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RE: Big improvement since review

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:48:44 PST

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01-29-08 05:48pm

COMMENT REPLY by Jay G (32)

To asmith12 (86):

Thanks, really appreciate your feedback.

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RE: Big improvement since review

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:46:28 PST

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01-29-08 09:46am

COMMENT REPLY by asmith12 (86)

To Jay G (32):

> even though the winner was obvious after the first 60 seconds.
Yeah, was exactly my feeling too, but with tag teams it doesn't feel that "one-way" even if one team is outclassed (when there are 2 wrestlers from one team against one from the other, obviously they dominate regardless).

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RE: Big improvement since review

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:02:47 PST

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01-29-08 09:02am

COMMENT REPLY by Jay G (32)

To asmith12 (86):

Appreciate your review. I was a member of the site, but got bored because, back then, most matches went on and on, even though the winner was obvious after the first 60 seconds. I liked the sex at the end, but would have appreciated shorter fights and more domination sex after someone lost.

Your review tempts me to try the site again. Thanks!

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Ultimate Surrender Comment

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:28:15 PST

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01-29-08 08:28am

COMMENT by asmith12 (86)

Big improvement since review

I've found that this site has improved greatly since my review. Tag teams addition is REALLY great, and overall feeling is much better too. As a result, I've upgraded score from 90 to 95 (see also a follow-up to my review).

Nice to see that some great sites are improving even further.

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Ultimate Surrender Comment

Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:17:09 PST

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01-29-08 07:17am

COMMENT by asmith12 (86)

Dragon Lily is going to be a mom

From the site (information for fans of Dragon Lily):

"The Dragon's stay from retirement was short lived, this will be her last match for some time if not forever. Dragon is going to be a mom! We all wish the best for her and she is very excited to begin a new chapter in her life."

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RE: Kudos for revamped login system

Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:07:19 PST

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01-28-08 04:07pm

COMMENT REPLY by Toadsith (46)

To asmith12 (86):

Agreed - the new login system is much nicer. Plus it is network wide, so if you are a member of multiple sites on the Kink Network, you only login once for the network, not for each site as some networks still require.

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Ultimate Surrender Comment

Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:49:19 PST

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01-28-08 07:49am

COMMENT by asmith12 (86)

Kudos for revamped login system

It looks that kink.com finally threw away their extremely annoying login system and made a new one. It looks that this new system doesn't throw your login away in half an hour like previous one did (which was VERY annoying). Kudos to kink.com for this long-needed change.

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RE: No Monthly Download Limit

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:37:58 PST

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01-16-08 06:37am

COMMENT REPLY by asmith12 (86)

To Toadsith (46):

Thanks. A nice change in the world where things tend to change from bad to worse.

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RE: No Monthly Download Limit

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:04:46 PST

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01-14-08 11:04pm

COMMENT REPLY by Thaeral (8)

To Toadsith (46):

That settles that! Well done, Toadsith! Thanks.

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RE: No Monthly Download Limit

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:51:44 PST

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01-14-08 06:51pm

COMMENT REPLY by jd1961 (78)

To Toadsith (46):

Thanks for the update!

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RE: Seriously Hardcore Wrestling!

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:46:53 PST

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01-14-08 05:46pm

COMMENT REPLY by Toadsith (46)

To SnowDude (214):

Ok - I finally got around to researching this, and while this is now my third message on the topic - I figured I'd be thorough.

None of the Kink.com sites have a monthly download limit. After finding zip in the FAQ about it - I actually contact their support guys and a customer support person named Elmer respond with this comment:

"We do not have a download limit for any of our sites. Enjoy downloading!"

No need to do any score tweaking :-) I actually can't imagine pulling over 10GB from this site unless you were just ripping all the content to look through it later.

Cheers!

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RE: Surprisingly Good

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:44:15 PST

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01-14-08 05:44pm

COMMENT REPLY by Toadsith (46)

To jd1961 (78):

In the spirit of redundancy - I figured I'd spread the word far and wide: None of the Kink.com websites have monthly download limits.

There have been enough questions about this I contacted their support guys and got a response from a customer support person named Elmer:

"We do not have a download limit for any of our sites. Enjoy downloading!"

So we can all go and download worry-free!

Cheers!

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Ultimate Surrender Comment

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:41:22 PST

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01-14-08 05:41pm

COMMENT by Toadsith (46)

No Monthly Download Limit

It's official - after seeing multiple questions about the supposed it 10 Gigabyte Monthly Download limit - I hunted the FAQs on Kink.com and then finally went to the company itself. I contacted their support crew and got this response from one of their customer support guys, Elmer:

"We do not have a download limit for any of our sites. Enjoy downloading!"

So there you have it folks - none of the Kink.com sites have download limits anymore (if they ever did) - download worry-free!

Cheers!

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RE: Surprisingly Good

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:50:51 PST

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01-14-08 09:50am

COMMENT REPLY by asmith12 (86)

To jd1961 (78):

Personally I've never hit it, but I won't be surprised if they do. As most of really good sites, kink.com has technical stuff who're not on par with content to put it mildly. See my comments about their login system, which is one of the most annoying ones in the industry.

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RE: Surprisingly Good

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:35:36 PST

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01-14-08 12:35am

COMMENT REPLY by jd1961 (78)

To Thaeral (8):

I have a fast connection, but I have been in some good sites with slow servers so I know what you mean. When it comes down to it, it's quality that matters. I have gotten used to speed though!

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RE: Surprisingly Good

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:35:27 PST

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01-13-08 10:35pm

COMMENT REPLY by Thaeral (8)

To jd1961 (78):

They could, but I have yet to hit it and honestly doubt that I will. I don't have a really good broadband connection to have the ability to leech that much content in that amount of time.

If I did, I wouldn't let that stop me from subscribing, though. I'd rather see what I've seen and then get pissed at hitting a bandwidth limit than to miss what I've seen and move on to some cookie-cutter site.

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RE: Surprisingly Good

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:25:01 PST

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01-13-08 10:25pm

COMMENT REPLY by jd1961 (78)

To Thaeral (8):

Well written comment! Is it true they have a 10GB a month download limit?

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Ultimate Surrender Comment

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:24:35 PST

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01-13-08 09:24pm

COMMENT by Thaeral (8)

Surprisingly Good

I've only just subscribed to this sight, mostly because of SnowDude's review. At a glance it's really not at all my cup of tea, so to speak. I'm not heavily into competitive sports - I've never been a fan of wrestling. Generally, lesbians/bi-sexual interaction between women isn't a high-ticket item for me.

I've watched 4 of the more recent matches - avoiding the ones where the comments point out that one of the newer ladies really was just letting the other lady have her way with her. I'm totally addicted to this site.

I don't know if I have the skill to write a review, but I felt I should comment. The people behind this site have basically created a female wrestling league with a sexual twist. Most of the women have been involved in more than one season (they're up to 5), so most of them are very serious about the wrestling. But they're all very sensual women - so they love the sexual side of it, too. Most of them are really trying and in the end have a great time whether they win or lose. And most who do lose seem very driven to do better next time and really want to come back as soon as possible.

It all feels very genuine which is very different then every kind of other porn out there. Some of the women clearly didn't know what they were getting into and appear to just be waiting for it to end. But most of them are really wrestling and fucking and having a good time doing it. It's more than just porn - it's hybrid sports. Try it, I think you'll be surprised.

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RE: Seriously Hardcore Wrestling!

Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:18:54 PST

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12-19-07 08:18pm

COMMENT REPLY by SnowDude (214)

To Toadsith (46):

Someone commented on the 10 GB download limit awhile ago and that might make me downgrade my score a bit, but have only heard that one mention. My only gripe with the site really is that if you want to start from the beginning, it's hard to keep from learning who's won. Hmm...maybe they figure most people don't really care who wins. ;)

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Ultimate Surrender Comment

Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:03:01 PST

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12-11-07 02:03pm

COMMENT by Toadsith (46)

Seriously Hardcore Wrestling!

I just joined this site last night and I'll be posting a review in a month or whenever I feel I've really given the site a thorough look through. However, on first glance this is a pretty damn cool site! Lack of search engine is kinda lame, but it is isn't that heard to hunt around anyway - each wrestler has their own stats page and most of the girls are really serious about trying to win.

I am in no way a fan of wrestling, but I am a fan of competitive sports, and of course porn. So this is a great combination for me, I don't know if I should be psyched that there are two (or four) nude women grappling each other (and more) on the floor, or if I should cheer for "my team". Generally I find I have an instant preference for one side or the other, so it makes it easy to cheer along, even if you know the outcome. These girls really try! The action can be very fast, control switching from to the other in a blink of an eye. I'm actually surprised there aren't more injuries - but the rules seem pretty good about preventing that.

I also love the pre- and post- match discussions with the girls, they talk about technique and strategy and honestly seem to look forward to honing their wrestling skill.

Well - that's my first impression - I haven't noticed any 10GB limit yet - I'll post a complete review sometime later.

Cheers!

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:08:27 PDT

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10-21-07 01:08am

REVIEW REPLY by asmith12 (86)

To exotics4me (301):

About poll on Aug 9 - as there wasn't more relevant poll one at the time, I've used this one. Let's wait for results of poll I've suggested if it ever comes.

> you are not a voice for the millions of internet users
I'm definitely not, and you're not too BTW. All I write is my opinion only, and I am really surprised the lengths you are going to to make me change it. I've made my point (the one that I strongly disagree with paying that much attention to this kind of criteria) and made it clear to others, that's what this whole site is about, or it isn't? Therefore, I don't see that much to discuss here.

> I ran out of room at the end and couldn't explain it all
Cannot help to say that for me it sounds way too close to infamous "My dog ate my homework" :-).

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:42:49 PDT

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10-21-07 12:42am

REVIEW REPLY by exotics4me (301)

To asmith12 (86):

I checked that August 9th poll, the question was, "On Average, how much time do you spend surfing porn on the internet daily?" Surfing being the key word, surfing means, "browsing" it has nothing to do with watching movies. "Surfing the internet" as defined by the Slang Dictionary means, "Using a web browser to search through the many home pages that make up the world wide web - also used to describe searching through the Internet as a whole."

As for you, I already told you, you are not a voice for the millions of internet users who can say "It is about how much you can watch". First and foremost, I consider myself a porn collector, I have favorite models, who I collect movies and pictures of. So a download limit can hamper the way I use porn. Your way is not the only way, as I told you before.

I hate to break it to you, but my estimation is that the very average porn fan downloads 1 GB per day, on average. The majority of HD clips that are coming out now are in the 750 mb to 1 GB range per CLIP. A full HD DVD will be in the range of 4 GB.

Look at other sites on here that have DL Limits, try Pier 999, where a couple of members have already complained about a 3 GB per day limit, that is 90 GB per month. A few have mentioned the 10 GB per DAY limit on Evelyn's World and one even mentioned an unknown DL limit that Twistys has that has to be in excess of 10 GB per day.

I'm not here to argue, but you made sure to draw my attention to this comment, and the funniest part of all, you criticize my score of this site, even though TBP, the parent site of Porn Users, has it rated closer to my score than yours. Their score is a 78, 8 points above mine, 12 points below yours. Even worse is that Duke of TBP has this site rated a 74, yet you are making it look like I'm the only person who has a problem with this site.

Last, I had more complaints with this site than just the DL limit, I ran out of room at the end and couldn't explain it all, though most of it was mentioned. The wrestling is 100% staged. If not, the parts wouldn't go in the exact same order. First round clothed, second round topless, and so on. Second, the movies are not downloadable in full parts which is a big complaint of mine on any review of a site that uses split clips. I also mentioned the repetitive nature of the site and the way the videos are almost all the same, nothing original after watching one match. Last and the deal killer was the DL limit and high price, which is nearly 33% higher than 6 months ago. Those are all very valid complaints. Not to mention, a 70 isn't a terrible score. If you're going to knock others for using wrong criteria, I would check on my own if I were you, seeing that your score is much higher than TBP's. I won't reply again, so you can reply if you want, if not, that is just as well.

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:23:22 PDT

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10-20-07 04:23am

REVIEW REPLY by asmith12 (86)

To exotics4me (301):

> my comparison is flawed though it is based on a monthly bill
Nope. Your analogy is fundamentally flawed because (as I strongly suspect) you're paying your power bill according to power usage, not at a flat rate. Do you really think any site would bother with DL limits if they could charge you per-megabyte downloaded (similar to power companies charging per-kW-h)? Come on.

About your test - it is completely irrelevant; as I've said before, it is not about amount you can _download_ in that hours, it is about amount of video you can _watch_ within these hours. According to my calculations, at 1MBit/s amount you can watch in 1.5*30=45 hours is about 20G, which is still higher than 10G limit, but as I really doubt somebody spends all his 'porn' time just watching videos from single site, in practice it shouldn't be a substantial limitation for most users. Still, all of these are just speculations; let's wait and see whether a poll I've submitted ("How much porn do you download per month?") is accepted and then see the results.

> On the trust rating, ask yourself this, did I post anything false in > the review? All the information about the content, quality of, was
> true.
> So what is not to trust? A number?
Exactly. As I've seen other trust ratings, it is pretty common on this site to put 'no' trust rating for people because they're (as the person who sets rating thinks) are consistently inflating or deflating their ratings, despite that nobody questioned information provided or honesty of reviewer; as I understand it, the same logic should apply perfectly to the case when reviewer consistently applies wrong (as I think) criteria to his/her reviews.

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:35:47 PDT

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10-20-07 03:35am

REVIEW REPLY by exotics4me (301)

To asmith12 (86):

Good grief, my comparison is flawed though it is based on a monthly bill, yours is based on a one time visit. Think you might better rebuild that one so that it is based on a monthly payment like the site is. And no, if I go to an all you can eat restaurant, that means no limits. Restaurants that have limits say, "All you can eat on one plate" this site didn't tell of that limit.

I tested something today, you mentioned 1-2 hours being the typical porn usage by the members in a poll on here. I will take the middle at 1 1/2 hours and say I downloaded 4 GB from Videobox in 1 1/2 hour yesterday. 4 GB per day for 30 days is 120 GB, the limit is 10 GB. Even if it was 30 minutes of downloading per day, I would get over 1 GB, which is 30 GB per month, still triple the limit. At my download speed, I can download for 10 minutes per day on this site for $30 a month. That is a rip off.

I tried to contact the site 3 times as explained in my discussion with SnowDude. I posted a comment asking the other members if they had a problem with a limit, which tells you the hassle I went through trying to find out about the limit.

On the trust rating, ask yourself this, did I post anything false in the review? All the information about the content, quality of, was true. So what is not to trust? A number? There is no laid groundwork on here for how to grade a site. Most of the members have said on here that they don't just read the score, since we all vary on our opinions. Most posted they are looking for facts about the site, amount and quality of content. If you are basing joining a site on someone else's score, you are going to be in trouble. For example, I'm not an anal sex fan. If I were to review an anal sex site, the score would be lower even if the quality was excellent, because I didn't enjoy it. An anal fan could then say, "Excellent amount of content and quality" without looking at the score.

Last, notice that I listed how much I dropped for the DL limit, now if someone reads it who doesn't mind the DL limit, they can in their head add those points back, right? It just comes off as you loving this site and not liking my low score of it. Everything you complained about has been answered in this post.

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:40:05 PDT

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10-19-07 11:40am

REVIEW REPLY by asmith12 (86)

To exotics4me (301):

> First, I write reviews to give my opinion.
Sure. And I write replies to give my opinion.

So to re-iterate my opinion: I strongly disagree with a concept to get all you can, whether you really need it or not (which you seem to imply in "Nobody said anything about being able to watch all of it. I just want my money's worth. ").

As for your analogy with power bill - I think it is fundamentally flawed. I'd say that downloading the stuff you cannot possibly watch is much more similar to coming to all-you-can-eat buffet and taking all the food you can put on all the plates you can find (but not being able to eat it, which means that they'll need to throw it away); while I've never seen such a thing in real life, I'd expect that somebody doing it most likely will be moved away, and most likely with no refund.

The only potentially valid point you IMHO have is that they should tell about it in advance; but are you sure that you've read their Terms and conditions carefully enough? (sorry, but I'm way too lazy to do it).

About the poll - I've already suggested a poll asking how much people download per month (and those who download less than 10G, shouldn't care about the limit).

As for the 'No' trust - yes, I do think that your reviews are useless for me as they're based on criteria which as I think are completely irrelevant, so yes, I don't trust your reviews, and won't take into account your ratings when choosing the site; it is my opinion and I don't see why I shouldn't tell about it; that's what 'No' trust is for, isn't it?

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:19:22 PDT

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10-19-07 11:19am

REVIEW REPLY by exotics4me (301)

To asmith12 (86):

I don't get it. First, I write reviews to give my opinion. If I pay for 30 days, I better have access for those 30 days, especially when it is not advertised on their site when I joined. Since you took the long term look at the site, take a short term look instead.

On average I can download 333 MB a day which would equal 10 GB in a month. 333 MB is not one FULL episode. So what, I watch one part one day, the next part the next day? You're being unrealistic. Nobody said anything about being able to watch all of it. I just want my money's worth. I can go on countless sites for less than $30 a month and get unlimited movies.

Let me put it this way, I will never join Ultimate Surrender again, and my score for the site shows that feeling. As for 84% watching 1-2 hours per day. First, that is maybe 20 people, there are millions of people who watch porn. Second, you think because 84% of a couple of dozen people says something that means it would be that way if we asked say, 1,000,000 people?

Tell you what ask anyone, "If you pay for your power bill by the month, how many days do you expect to get power?" There you go. No trust because we have different opinions? You must have quite the ego to believe your opinion is better than someone else's. You're not criticizing my actual review, which are some of the most in-depth on the site, just my opinion on a number that we all different ideas of what that score means. You can also look at the replies between myself and Snowdude and how once explained he thought the DL limit sounded crazy too. Send a poll into the site and ask what is thought of a 10 GB monthly limit, you might be surprised at the results.

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:00:18 PDT

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10-19-07 10:00am

REVIEW REPLY by asmith12 (86)

To exotics4me (301):

Can't agree that 10GB/month is a really bad thing; ok, I can reach downloading speed of 10GB/day too, but when I will watch all that stuff (10GB is more than 20hours of video @ pretty decent 1Mbit/s, so I won't get any life besides watching porn, not even enough sleep)?

Also according to poll on Aug 9, most of the site visitors (84%) spend 1-2 hours/day or less watching Internet porn (definition is a bit vague, but most likely it also covers previously downloaded porn), which essentially means that vast majority of this site visitors most likely won't really care about this kind of limit; as the idea of the site is to make reviews useful for others, punishing site that bad for a thing which doesn't really matter for most site visitors is just plain wrong IMHO.

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:32:10 PDT

Ultimate Surrender (11)

09-23-07 02:32pm

REVIEW REPLY by exotics4me (301)

To SnowDude (214):

Hey SD, I agree. One thing to check out sometime, all of their sites under the "Kink" company name, including fuckingmachines have all went up in price and all now have the 10 GB per month DL limit. As crazy as this sounds, it is possible for a person on telephone line internet to download 10 GB in a month! It has to be a move of greed. If I were them, I would package 2-3 of their sites together and maybe put a premium price on it, say $40 a month. If I was that desparate for money. I had joined fuckingmachines 4 times in the past 2 years, but now they have lost me on that site too with a 10 GB monthly DL limit.

Makes me appreciate some of these other sites a lot more too!

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:59:02 PDT

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09-19-07 10:59am

REVIEW REPLY by SnowDude (214)

To exotics4me (301):

Hmmm....oooooooooo-k...I officially take back everything I said. Damn that sucks and makes absolutely no sense. What the heck are they thinking?

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RE: exotics4me's Review

Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:21:36 PDT

Ultimate Surrender (11)

09-19-07 12:21am

REVIEW REPLY by exotics4me (301)

To SnowDude (214):

Hey SD,

Yeah, I sent them 3 emails as business etiquette would say to stop after 3 without replies. Also notice the price difference. I am almost positive it used to be $21.95 per month, it is now $29.95. The newest Dragon Lily match is a total of 600 MB, at that rate, I would only get 15 matches before hitting the DL limit. I had to go back and check the DL limit because I thought it was 10 GB per day, but this is 10 GB per month. If you break it down, you can only download half of a match per night for the 30 days. That just seemed unfair to me. I usually won't even complain about 1 GB per day limits, but 0.3 GB limit per day for $30 a month is crazy.

Last, maybe you thought it was a daily limit since you mention the downloading everything in a night part. Like with Mike in Brazil's site, it is 1 GB per day so everyone doesn't download all of the content in one night. I can understand that for a few reasons, including stress on servers. But I will be waiting for the Ultimate Surrender staff to explain how making someone download only 10 GB in 30 days is helping them, except for the reason I believe, to make the members have to stay an extra month or two to get all the content.

No offense taken at all. I believe the site has fell into new hands that are running it, seeing the price change and DL limit.

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