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asmith12 (124) 09-30-08  09:08am
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BEWARE: Pre-checked trial when signing in

When subscribed, I've got PRE-CHECKED "trial" of another site re-billing automatically at 29.95. BEWARE.

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Nick C (34)
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Asmith, yes we do have a pre-checked for another site, but its WELL above the JOIN button and its CLEARLY stated, not HIDDEN.
Just want to make that clear!

09-30-08  09:43am

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Denner (233) I absolutely agree with asmith about the Beware-warning.
By all means it's certainly NOT only this site but a beware for ALMOST every site.
So it's a question of taking a thorough look at every join-page, because most sites now got this PRE-Checked trials - AND as another warning: If you do not take care you risk a sudden full month member-charge after those 2-3 days....

09-30-08  10:45am

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asmith12 (124) REPLY TO #1 - Nick C :

At last, webmaster trying to defend this kind of thing, how cute. Then could you please tell us if (as you're saying, I have somewhat different words to describe it) it is "WELL above" and "CLEARLY stated", WHY do you have it PRE-CHECKED?

IMHO there is ONLY ONE possible reason to have such things PRE-CHECKED: to hope that user isn't careful enough and will press "Subscribe" button without noticing it. And please don't tell me it's done "for my own convenience": if I would want to spend another $30/month, I wouldn't care to take another click to join. But other than that, all other explanations are very welcome.

09-30-08  11:28am

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asmith12 (124) REPLY TO #2 - Denner :

> By all means it's certainly NOT only this site but a beware for ALMOST every site.
I don't think that I had ever seen it for CCBill sites, and I think it's ALMOST every Epoch site (that's why I don't normally join Epoch sites, unless they're VERY special). Do you have similar experience?

09-30-08  11:32am

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badandy400 (103) REPLY TO #4 - asmith12 :

When I joined Hustler a while back, one of the very first site I joined, i got hit with this. It was just by chance that I found out that it had happened.

There really is no defense for this practice. It is just a to screw people over when they are all excited to join a site and do not read everything. Seriously though, if I wanted to join the other site they are offering wouldn't go to that site? Or, why not just give access to that site with the membership? Humm...I know....they get more money for nothing this way!

09-30-08  05:18pm

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asmith12 (124) REPLY TO #5 - badandy400 :

> There really is no defense for this practice.
IMHO there are different ways to defend ourselves:
- post BEWARE comments on PU;
- boycott such sites based on the logic that "if site is trying to swindle you one way, they're likely to do it in other ways too";
- MOST IMPORTANT: if hit by such thing, ALWAYS going to your bank and disputing the charge; I was told by banking guy that if some merchant starts to get many disputes, it can become VERY expensive for this merchant, and at some point merchant can even lose his credit card processing license.

09-30-08  09:47pm

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Denner (233) REPLY TO #4 - asmith12 :

Yes, your're right. It's especially via Epoch.
But then again I always take extra care to look for it when for some reason HAVE to join via Epoch....

10-02-08  01:09am

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asmith12 (124) REPLY TO #7 - Denner :

But if we shout about it loud enough, don't you think that it could help Epoch (and sites using Epoch) to stop it? After all, if SUBSTANTIAL portion of people will prefer CCBill to Epoch, sites using Epoch will be in disadvantage.
10-02-08  03:01am

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Denner (233) REPLY TO #8 - asmith12 :

I certainly agree!
And BTW: CCBill has changed their policy towards us non-US users in the currency-matter: same amount equivalent in US-dollars and Euro - and gives me another thumb-up for CCBill - as before. So yes, asmith, let's all vote for CCBill (billing) in the future....

10-02-08  09:47am

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asmith12 (124) REPLY TO #9 - Denner :

Deal :-). And what do you think about my idea (not sure if you've read it or not) to "penalize" sites with such PRE-CHECKED upsells by deducting, say, 10 points from their ratings (clearly stating that 10 points were deducted for PRE-CHECKED upsell during sign-up)? I'm likely to do it in the future (unless somebody gives me a reason why it's a bad idea), and would like to see more people doing the same thing; I'm not sure, but if webmasters read this site (and at least some do), it MIGHT help.
10-02-08  10:24am

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Denner (233) REPLY TO #10 - asmith12 :

Good point, bro...
If we all give them a "penalty" - of, yes like 10 points (or whatever) - but something they could "feel" - it's would be a good idea...

Think I'll go with you there - and I'm sure both webmasters and billing-co. will read it...

10-02-08  10:29am

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asmith12 (124) REPLY TO #11 - Denner :

Perfect, let's try and see how it goes :-).
10-02-08  11:00am

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