Marcus - not sure why you're having issues with download speed, I can pull things down over 1 meg per sec from the server. The box is set up to see how many concurrent connections are in place from the user and limit if needed. This stops a user from opening ten streams, each at 1 m/sec sort of thing and eating bandwidth like crazy.
We also changed things a little so it is now 20% savings when someone rebills. We've added a mulit model site, bellapixels.com for free for members and starting next week it moves to daily updates.
As for Bryci content, video wise - 95% of all future video updates will be hardcore as she'd rather do videos with me than with herself (her words). Hope this makes some people smile!
We also removed the regional billing which I know many dislike (I understand why of course) so the price is exactly as advertised, no matter which site!
Honestly, we stepped back and looked at what networks cost in our arena. There aren't any network passes for $25, let alone $20 so we thought - let's try this and see what happens. If people are happy, we're happy!
Whatever man. I was crystal clear as to that we don't offer zips and I even went into why, you kept whining and moaning. you did this, I didn't.
Don't start trying to flip this into a you're a douche comment. Seriously, grow up already. The biggest laugh in this whole thread has been you moaning about things you can't have, even though you've not and never have been a member.
I've been polite, wishing you well and saying I hope you find what you're looking for - you just keep being a pain, for what reason - I have no idea. The fact that you bring up download software, and now torrenting, tells me you're most likely one of those tools that posts site content. I've learned over 17 years running sites to trust my instincts, they have yet to be incorrect.
Neat thing here I hope you've learned - sites don't take shit from random trolls on forums. If you think we jump through hoops to get memberships, you'd be incorrect. We have fun, we do what we do and guess what? Each week we have more people happy than the week before. In four solid years, we have outsold ourselves week after week. I guess we're doing something right after all.
Last time I respond to you, if you keep trolling I report you for doing so. Sound fair? You go your way, we go ours. I hope you find a site that suites your needs.
Wow. What part of if a site doesn't do something you do not like, move on do you not grasp? Not being to be combative? I've already explained this inside out and as I said, nothing has or will be changed. Yet you keep going. Not sure what you feel is gained? Here we go again. this time I'll try and make it easier to understand.
Zips don't matter to the majority of members.
I can say this with authority, based on 17 years experience running websites. It's not even 10% of the member base that actively downloads zips when they are available. Again, I can say this from a place of knowledge, not opinion. Sad thing is, in the 10%, you get assholes that post your content for free.
Bella Network isn't the first network I have owned/run and we didn't offer zips in the other networks either. There are a ton of large networks that don't offer photo zips. They do fine, their content isn't mass distributed. The content that is available in zips, all over the place for free.
When we removed zips, nobody said anything, nobody cared, cancelations didn't rise etc. The world didn't end basically. Again, nobody cared. In four years - FOUR people have emailed asking what's up.
I know this rubs you the wrong way, and this next line will upset you, but my job isn't to make you happy.
Yes the customer (albeit not you) is important, but the buck doesn't stop with the customer. The buck stops with the product itself, same as any supply/demand example. Customers will come for what is being sold and the customers that don't like what is being sold, will leave or not come at all. Again, FOUR people in 4 years. Do I think it's a big issue like the non members here are claiming? No, not in the least. For them it is, obviously. Photo collectors I am guessing, or traders for all I know.
My job is to make the GIRLS happy. I can deal with 1 in 10 (if that) customers being pissy and not signing up because we don't have zips. I wish them well and hope they find something they like elsewhere.
I can't deal with 1/1 girls being sad because her content is mass distributed for free so she quits. Keeping the model happy FAR outweighs keeping 1/10 people (actually lower than 1/10 but I rounded up for ease of example).
Now seriously slutty, you're not a member, you clearly don't like that we don't offer zips, so why are you still bitching/moaning? Are you trying to have a conversation on a closed topic? Sorry man but it's pretty much a dead topic. Not an option, never will be an option etc. Thank you for playing, game over - type of thing. Hope I was clear enough this time and best of luck finding your dream site.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I can see how it sounded that way.. my bad. :) What you said 'The policy on photos means that people who prefer photos to videos aren't going to join in the first place".
In regards to our site at least, that's not correct from our experiences. Photo fans love what we do and they join, and rebill. I am sure there are some that don't stay, I don't mean to suggest they all stay/rebill - lol, that's not how sites work anymore. We do have a high rebill rate though which to me, suggests we're doing something right. Again, not perfect, but right enough for most.
We're know for our photos over videos 10 to 1 easy as we don't promote with videos. That's changing a bit now that we've gone to hardcore.. people are taking note of screen caps etc it seems. (go figure)
Like I said, barely a handful in four years have been unhappy regarding lack of zips. Truth be told, I wish we could offer them, because to me, it's a value added service for sure. Can't please everyone I guess. thanks for taking the time though to add your thoughts on it all.
That's not correct actually. Sorry to be the bad guy - but it's been over four years that we have not offered zips. The only people bitching about it - are in this site.
I have had three people ask, ever, in four years. Sure, some others perhaps looked for zips and then cancelled. I agree with that as well, the customer should be happy in what they get fior their money. The issue becomes - is the customer realistic about hat their membership buys them or is worth?
For example - how many times you join a site and the photos are small, blurry, they consider high res to be 1200 pixels or something. They consider "HD VIDEO" to be 1280x720 and while technically - that is HD... ummm.. it's not 1920x1080. I have joined solo model sites myself where you get inside and the girl has 30-40 sets and each set is some webcam set of 20-30 photos.
We are not competing with large pro sites in the least. We offer large images (up to 4000 pixels) as well as higher res HD videos. We offer steady updates and some of the girls cam from time to time as well. Not all and not always on a set schedule, but they post when they are going to do it.
We offer a more personal experience than the majority of sites out there, or so our members that have stayed with us and rebilled for 4 straight years tell us.
i'm not liked because I'm blunt. I'm an asshole at times and I don't buy into the mindset 'the customer is always right'. The customer can be wrong, just as I can, just as anyone can be. We don't bend the network to what someone tells us we 'have to do'. Instead we laugh at those people and do what we want to do instead. At the same time, I get respect because I work my ass off for my members. It's not uncommon for someone to follow me on twitter and see me working through ti 8am the next day, sleep for three hours, start again. - It's just Bryci and I running the entire network. I run 98% of things, she handles the things I ask her to jump in on. We're far from perfect, and I don't always respond as fast as I'd like. I didn't even know some of these responses were here - thus why i am going apeshit crazy now :) We do try though, which is more than I can say for most network/sites out there I have been a member of.
It's easy to mass purchase content, slap up a site and offer zips. No girls to be sad their faces are all over the net for free. Nobody to answer to. that describes most multi model sites pretty close. Not all of course.
We're having fun, we have a higher rebill % than many sites out there. i can be outspoken and I have enemies for being Bryci's husband. By default "that guy is a douche" is the safe comment It's funny, but I don't take it to heart. I'm anything but. I pay my taxes, I helped buy my Mom her house, I donate to the SPCA regularly and and ask anyone that knows me, including any of the girls that work with me and they'll tell you I'd give them the shirt off my back. Be true to yourself and others will appreciate it - is all we do.
So let me get this right - I say we don't zip images and you come in and acuse us of punishing members? Then you go on to say how there are ways to site rip etc? Ouch :(
I posted we had a survey and 80% of the members said videos are more important than photos. Not at any time say photos do not matter, I said videos matter more or photos don't matter as much and sorry if it upsets you, they don't.
I'm a professional photographer, I've been fortunate enough to shoot for Penthouse magazine in the past - you don't think it bothers me that photos don't matter as much? lol Of course it does man. I love photos!
if you were to look up the surveys in PornUsers - this exact topic has been covered and the same result was found. Videos matter more. Sorry to be the bad guy here.
How many guys you think fap to photos versus videos? (very few according to all the surveys)
Piracy happens no matter what the site is. There is always a way to save things, mass distribute them if someone decides they want to do this. Zips make it easier.
I respect you disagree but that's the great thing about the internet. There are tons of sites out there, you'll find one that makes you happy. I hope you find what you're searching for.
Sites like that etc will always have zips sets because their models are paid models that are not exclusive and available in several sites. With most multi model sites though - it's bought content from a photographer that sells X amount of licenses to anyone buying. Zips don't matter because there is no girl to become sad or feel exposed when her content is being traded for free.
I respect you love zips and they matter to you and others as well but that doesn't change the fact that we don't offer them, and never will, regardless of how many people are upset. It's our site, not theirs. If you were a nude model online, you'd feel *very different* on the topic, I can assure you.
Often, customers don't grasp how things are run behind the curtain. You see tits and ass and assume the ladies have no feelings or thoughts on things. This is where Bella is very different from almost every network out there because we treat the ladies like ladies and they make their own decisions. (we don't make them for them) We're not going to zip hotos and have tons of free video content for tube sites like many others do when what it translates to is the model feeling more exposed because she's being given away and traded on boards for free (thanks to zips being downloaded and posted from no-moral members that feel the need for a ^ 5 is more important than respecting a model's rights). We don't put out either (zips or free video samples) and the model doesn't get traded the same way as those sites that do have those things.
Guess what else not having zips everywhere does? it keeps her relevant and in high demand. If anyone can get Bryci on any number of multi model sites - is she as popular as if she's not everywhere? Penthouse is the only place she's had content published, I photographed her for Penthouse magazine last year (Oct 2012 issue).
Photos matter, as I said.
Please look up the word "context". :) You're not quoting me completely there are you? I said the majority of people chose videos over photos. Surveys done here in PU show this as well, look them up. We had our own surveys done and they told us the same thing, 4 our of 5 people rank videos as more important but this doesn't mean we're stopping doing photos. As I said before where you misquoted me, photos do matter - but videos matter more.
But hey, thanks for staying on context and posting an ad for another site in a Bryci review. Very classy of you, indeed.
Why can't people read? Seriously. All you're doing is going in circles. What I said to Capn, applies here as well.
I'm not a US based website.
I have already covered why we have regional, what regional is and why others use it. I have pointed out to you that we're not CCbill and we don't set the rates. I have pointed out that ALL BANKS WORLDWIDE buy into market fluctuations and adjust their rates accordingly.
If you have an issue with the way CCBill sets things, call CCBill. I am not CCBill.
Market flux happens daily. Why should I pay again if someone's dollar is failing on the world economy? The site, not the economy, is the bad guy here? Yes, this makes perfect sense.
Rates are set based on averages and these are adjusted throughout the week based on bank rates. Again, call any single bank.
How are you not aware of market fluctuations in banking/global economies? It's not like this is a new thing. We didn't invent something, it's been there all along and as a webmaster, we have a choice - get hit with the extra fees when a dollar dips, or a chargeback comes in, fraud comes etc (5-10 times daily) or, chose the average rate so we're protected. The only difference here is we tell you about it ahead of time. Most sites just work it into the cost on the merchant end.
Not sure if you're aware of this - but we (the sites) don't set the rates. CCbill sets the rates based upon bank rates and fluctuations in bank rates that occur daily/weekly. The rate changes as the market changes. I am not sure how often they modify things, again, we are not ccbill.
CCbills' own explanation on their site:
"Because the market fluctuates daily, we update the CCBill Recommended Ratios on a regular basis. If you click the Accept Regional Pricing button below you are accepting today's CCBill Recommended Ratios"
I view it like this -
If you have a dollar bill from America, and you go to Canada or Spain - is it still worth a dollar? No. Why not? Market fluctuation. Perhaps in the USA your dollar is worth a dollar, but in another country, it might be worth more, or less. Regional pricing accounts for the averages and sets them accordingly.
Weird getting a negative post from you Cap'n - you seemed to positive in the replies you left earlier in Marcus' thread. (sarcasm, you said nothing positive to be honest - you merely complained about something you disagreed with, even after it was explained in that thread and had previously been explained in other threads as to why. Maybe you were having a bad day, not sure - if yes - I hope it got better.)
So you don't get you way regarding zip sets, you come and try a smear campaign with misleading information? Do you not read things or are you in the practice of misquoting?
"Advertised price $16.62 = £10.79"
Actually the exact wording says "Membership prices from $17.83 per month!"
If you buy a one year membership ($213.95), divide that by 12, you get $17.829 - which when rounded up is $17.83. Exactly what the page says. :)
So while you don't need to say anymore, you might consider reading. :)
You don't get your way so we're stonewalling you? Not quite. It's our site. We run it the way *WE* want to run it. Same as any business, if you don't like the way something is, you leave.
We don't offer zips. That's it. Pretty straight forward.
As for Regional pricing, as with zips, if that troubles you - move. on. already.
there are reasons we and other sites do this, and no, you don't get a vote or opinion. If you ran a site yourself, you'd understand that every single day things fluctuate. Bank rates, chargebacks, fraud, bandwidth from assholes that attempt a rip etc. So yes, some sites including ours compensate for this.
When you visit a store do you complain about the % on the dollar? When you do - do you notice they don't care and they keep doing what they do for their reasons? What happens next? You leave. I'm not sure why you feel sites have to explain every aspect of why they do this or that. We don't. :)
Move on and find a site you like. Simple. :)
Again, best of luck in your travels. I hope you find what you're searching for.
"With the rip-off regional pricing, it was academic anyway!"
Again, positivity wins the race.
"Best of luck getting any photo collectors."
We don't need luck, but thank you for your well wishes, very nice of you.
We have thousands of happy members and guess how many complain about not having zips? Less than 0.01%.
Photo collectors go to most sites, see that site's "high resolution" is 1200 or 1500 pixels. (our free promo content is 1500 pixels for crying out loud) Then they see us slamming out 4000 pixel content and where do you think they'll sign up?
The simplest advice is go somewhere your personal needs are met.
Best of luck in your travels, I'm done replying to you if all you're going to do is attack. Man up. If you don't like something, move along and find somewhere you do like. How this is not common sense, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if you read what I said or if you took it our of context etc. Photos are important, but to the majority of users, they are not as important as videos are.
To the average guy, when he goes to fap - does he use a photo or two or videos? Obviously different for everyone but survey says... videos.
That is not my personal opinion, that is fact based on surveys we've done, other sites have done, even PU has done int he past. Videos are more important, but that doesn't mean photos are not important. They are and always will be. That's why we still create them and more to the point, create them at higher resolution than any other site out there in our niche. :)
As I said in what I wrote, 80% of our member base that replied said videos are more important than photos. This same sentiment has been echoed in various forums, surveys, even surveys here at PU in the past. Videos are more important than photos to the majority, but that does not mean photos are not important. :)
We still feel they are important, which is why we still do them.
We offered zips for a three week time period when we first started in Feb 2009. By March we had removed the zips option and we have never and will never return to it. Zipped photos mean your content is in trader forums for free. I can think of solo model sites that don't offer zipped content, and it's hard to find their content. I can think of solo model sites that offer zips and it's incredibly easy to find their content.
If we offered zips, perhaps we'd get a few more sales initially, but for the headache it'd bring and then out content being all over, sales would drop and it's simply not worth it to us. There will always be pirated pix/vids no matter what the site is, that's part of the industry. If we can slow it down though, we do.
What's funny is we get maybe one email a month asking about zips. It's nowhere near the issue many in here make it out to be. Nobody really cares that much about photos anymore, videos are more important to our user base according to 4 out of 5 people.
People can right click images to save them, the thumbs don't open as jpgs, they open on their own page for those that like to do the slide show thing (which surprisingly is a lot of people) but on each page, if you right click any image, they're savable.
I do agree, a lot of work for those that want to save things such as every single pic.
Upside though - very limited piracy. Most of the 'site rips' out there are from some newb that went to bryci.org and saved all the 15 image promo images, thinking those are the full sets. Ah well. :)
As for the sad fans- I guess we all want to believe the fantasy sometimes. I think 99% of guys get that it's entertainment and then 1% think - whoa. I have a shot here. Bryci mentions me on her blog all the time, we've been together 7+ years but maaaaybe if this one fan is extra nice, he'll win her over.
/knocks on wood.
haha.. I should be careful, I'll jinx myself! I figure fuck it, A for effort. Anyone that thinks they can sign up and the model will fall in love with them, fuck yeah man, go for it. Why not? :) (but fyi to the 1% reading - Bryci is off the market - we're married)
Again, thanks for the kind words. We're huge fans of Chica, as well as Wifey from Wifey's World. We were just watching some Wifey vids yesterday actually. Great vids!
Thanks for the kind words on your review. Yes, bryci does her blog herself, she does pretty much everything with her site. I handle updates etc.
yes, we stopped doing wmv network wide as of March 2013. Simplest reason? We asked our member based and we had over 90% say mp4 over wmv. So if we can help members get what they're after, we're happy to help. wmv is sort of a lost tech it seems, mp4 is playable regardless of OS where as wmv is windows only.
Hardcore wise - we're scared shitless! ha! We're trying though - we're having more and more fun as we go. We love what Wifey and Hubby, Chica and her man, even Rachel Aziani and Buzz have done before us for years. We thought we'd join the ranks and start having more fun as well. So far, we've had a handful of guys be upset because they felt they had a shot with Bryci (not sure why) but that happens with solo models on occasion. Almost everyone is happy and we're happy to oblige!
As I had said before as well as in the faq for the bella sites, we don't do zips because when we did, our content was pirated like mad. We stopped offering zips and it went from all over to hard to find. We still get the odd people pirating us, that happens but we stopped the majority of it photo wise anyway.
I can think of many solo models that offer zips, and I can get those zips for free all over - so why pay for their sites? I don't agree with that mindset but this is what happens. This is our job, so we're going to want to make sure we're not being ripped off, that's all it is.
To address a couple points you mentioned, we are going to stop offering wmv in the future, based off a survey we did of members and also looking at the data in our sites regarding what people download most. WMV is barely used it seems as it once was, mp4 is more compatible with all OS's. We're not removing older wmv fils, just not creating new ones. In addition this also means faster file creation, more room on server for more files etc.
We're in the process of adding a new site that is a large scale multi model site that will debut in the spring of this year. It will feature everything form girl next door types to hardcore photos and videos.
As for Bryci's hardcore that she and I are filming.. we're new to it so we wanted our first few videos to be somewhat voyeuristic. We did this because we were still adapting to going in this direction and let's face it.. not every day one does this. We are not a major porn studio, nor do we want to be perceived as one. We are two people running it all, well.. I run all of Bella and Bryci helps with her site of course. So when we decided to go into HC, we felt it was best to be us, not try and follow other people's examples. We bring the camera and put it down and then go have fun, filming it. We have no interest in having others film us, or having multiple cameras filming, it's just us two having fun.
That said - we will be getting a lot more daring moving forward. We plan on doing pov style, as well as other styles. We're inviting our members into our sex life basically.. so far, so good. :)
side note: I bumped the download limit from 12 gig/24 hour period to 20 gig/24 hour period. i respect some people get carried away and want their videos. :)
Marcus - as a member of Bella - make sure you check the news inside the member's side of bellapass.com (right hand side in news column of member's side) - we're giving away a free week for your responses to a small question/answer form we have. We're trying to make Bella even better and yes.. we're adding some exciting features.
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