. . . to avoid. Last year, I was a Brazzers member for several months. During that tenure I purchased a `LIFETIME` membership in `Wicked Pictures (for $69.95) - valid whenever I`m an active member with Brazzers. . . Before my purchase, I `chatted` with support and SPECIFICALLY asked - `If I cancel, and renew at a later date, does my Wicked account renew, as well?`. . . The answer was `Yes`. . . Upon not being able to log-in with Wicked (after renewing Brazzers this week) I `chatted` again. This time, the answer was `You had access to Wicked - as long as your ORIGINAL Brazzers Membership was active - I guess the label `LIFETIME` is a tad misleading, huh!!!! You`ve been warned.
Don't join this site and expect to see the videos you see on the preview page here. I should have known better, almost all of these GF sites are total BS jokes. You will find a few from the preview page but not many.
This network has always been pretty poor in comparison to some of the other ones like Realitykings and Bangbros, but now it seems even worse. You used to get like 2 or 3 previews to watch before it would bring you to the sign up page, which was already worse than Bangbros and Realitykings where you can watch as many as you want, but now you can't even do that. Every trailer cuts off after about 1/4 or halfway telling now so you can literally watch 0 without signing up, lol. What a joke
They are running a promo for $10! (watch out for the cross-check) I just re-joined so I haven't seen much, but so far it looks about the same as it did in 2012 with more content. They still don't display sets on one page. Videos are 720p max and images are 3000 across max. Many very (too) familiar models here. Very easy to download zips. A lot of advertising...
For $10 I don't know how you can go wrong! (Read my old review.)
Cancellation means you lose remaining days of subscription?
Just tried to cancel Brazzers using the online form. Site says I will lose access NOW if I cancel. Is this true? I have 29 days left on my subscription, so apparently I lose those days as soon as I cancel. I have subscribed to this site many times and cancelled without losing remaining days. Any one know if this is the site's new policy?
Was a member approx. 1 month prior to this review.
First I love the setup, the customer involvement, the way the scenes are set up. Outstanding workmanship, lots of working to find out what customers like, want to see, photo sets alone are a reason to belong to this site. I used to be in the business, this is top quality work, story lines, video and photography. I would pay the full price for this site with no complaints and keep the membership on a year-round basis.
The site is 100, the associated site (live models chat, deserve a minus rating, should be coded illegal)
They have some sort of live model/conversation section, got an e-mail that it was about to expire, so I clicked in. Some time later (within a week) I get an email saying I had a $4 credit - for what? Didn't recognize the site name.
I clicked it, it was the "Live" site" hey I'm 69 with heart failure, what do I need that for, closed page. (I was there perhaps 3 seconds. Never left the hotmail page to open their page in separate/new tab)
Result: $4.00 charge, $2.00 charge, $565.00 charge (declined!!!) One day before my Social Security check of $1185.00 - that would have killed me! No food, no medicine, no place to live. Scared the crap out of me. Cancelled the card, called the bank to keep an eye out.
Too bad, I love Brazzer's but am too terrified to go back after a simple "click" could have ruined me..
Be careful, these sites, or associate sites are vicious. Their "charging" companies are set up to just say, you were warned, it's in the fine print. I belong to the xbiz news organizations and receive the ads from these companies, they are proud of this and "hawk" their wares about getting extra cash out of aggressive practices.
They get your cc number and hold on to it, if you get a harmless looking ad or offer and 'click" on it for more info, you get charged the LONG (full) price. Complain? Don't bother, they will explain that when you signed for "that" site a few days or months ago you OK'd ALL future charges. You are stuck with the bill, then informed that if you fight the bill you'll be charged with fraud. Nice, eh?
And companies wonder why people stay away, (the old timers who got nailed) but the new customers line up like sheep, get shorn then become wise (and ex-customers)
Current Member for over 1 month (at the time of review).
HD Pics ( and zip files )
Streaming HD Video
Low intro price 9.95 ( at time of review ).
Real Bad navigation.
Real Bad Search engine
Inconsistent category material.
Small site .
Cross checked sales even if unchecked.
Some material not really porn.
Updates rare once a week.
No update/new section.
Only one movie format. Mp4
Toads Over View :
You will find some of the most stunning women on the internet. We are talking many of these girls should be into modeling. Many awesome natural tits. These girls are boner central.
The site has a good price discount of $9.95 recurring at 24.95. There is a network at a very high price and not included. To get the network be prepared for over $50.00.
The women are amazing even the guys are not the typical tattoo fuck a hole guy. The sex scenes seem like sex and not just a fuck fest. And why there is Anal,and groups its done in a way that is not typical of porn sites. Do they fuck yes, but seems real. The downloads and pics downloads seem intuitive, pretty to the point .
Navigation is like watching a three legged dog screw. It works but wow what a fucked up mess.
You can choose solo and end up with a guy and girl fuck scene with no. Lez scenes with a guy in it. I was like why the fuck do you have categories ?? Search why finds models the model list in non-existent, the search only found models and was not accurate at all.
Cancelling, was a nightmare. I joined the boxes was unchecked to join a trial, But I was dinged for it.
Contacting support was a nightmare, wanted to pull the guy through the screen and punch his lights out. But I was calm.
The rules say on their site you have to cancel before the 2 day trial, their support says it can take three days to process. If not Processed before the two day required notice I am charged. I called in 10 minutes of opening my account there. I asked then how does one cancel the trial they would not answer. But offered me 3 months for the price of one for my inconvenience.
Babes Network is false advertising in my opinion. You join the site only to find out more charges to join the network. Ummm Duh... thought I just had. This is not Babes.com I once loved and cared for. Neither is the support.
The having one video format is pretty insane Mp4 does not work well on some older systems and players.
Very disappointed in my whole experience, which their support could care less and has refused any refunds. I wanted to just get my money back after only being a member 10 minutes and they refused. The site is clunky even though visually its pretty nice and previews look stunning. The video that are there are mostly good women are amazing this site would have been a 65 if not for some of them, Amber Sym, does scenes that are barely porn but she is sexy as hell. If you join watch her scenes first and it only gets better. To bad the powers that be that make the good video did not focus on the customer service experience. This site could easily be a 95 rating site, fix the navigation and search, get better support stop cross checks, and make the network a network.
And this site would be up there.
Join for the women, but be aware this can be a pain in the ass to quit, and surf. I found the $9.95 was still worth the women in this site. I wont be back, they made this a one trick pony site for this member.
REVIEW EDIT :
After going through =the entire site I found a serious flaw. Movie and Pic counts are wrong on the site. If a model has three videos that may not be true. I have found dozens of Videos that were not counted by the model listed. Which means there are dozens of videos I can't find by model and have to fall into them. Other issue I used a specific email that never has spam, I have been flooded the last week by adult spam, its even making it past my filter .
I Change my review to avoid this site until technical issues are fixed. I can not prove the spam was from these guys, however that email I have had free of porn ads 12 year. Coincidence ???
I don't know if anyone else is having problems with the Brazzers site. But the problem that I have been having lately is that when you try to download the movie files it send you back to the log in page. I log in again with the same result...this happen more with the WMV movie files, as for the pic file there is no problems. And sometimes the next day scenes are not ready to download, you might need to wait 1 extra day. I tried contacting there tech via email and like always The reply I get is we will check one it thank you...
I'm wondering if anybody else has had a similar problem with their Brazzer membership in the last few weeks or months. I had a recurring membership for the last couple of years and last Thursday I tried to log in and was told that my membership was no longer active. That was news to me as I hadn't actually cancelled it and even more importantly I never got an email stating that my membership was cancelled. I emailed their help desk who was suppose to get back to me within 48 hrs but that was yesterday.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
High quality videos
Top rated models
Decent photo sets
Good lighting and sets
Site is small
Must pay extra to access "network"
Far too much cross-selling
Site is oddly generic
1 New video released every other day or so.
No scoring system, just "likes" Really?!
Acting reminiscent of 16mm porn movies
Almost no model interaction with the photographer whatsoever.
Very little chemistry...either between models or between models and crew.
Nobody is having any fun!
Note: I think it is possible that they reworked this site since 2013 as I can't find some of the features mentioned in prior reviews. This is not the same babes.com website I was a member of 10+ years ago.
Well, here's another one of those sites that looks good from the outside, but it leaves you oddly unexcited when you finally buy in. It has all the right components, top models, great quality videos, nice settings, but there's something just a little...um...off about it. You would think that a video, for example, of Ariel and Caprice getting each other off in every way possible would be pretty heavenly, right? Well, it is nice, but the acting (and moaning) is a little artificial, the rhythm is a little too slow, the chemistry is lacking, the music is a little too 80's cheesy and the sex is just so-so. There are lots and lots of videos like this. Maybe the best image I can conjure up is this: These are like porn versions of Met-Art videos. Beautiful women but really, really boring videos. I have NEVER seen a boring Angelica video....until now (the fact that she is moaning while on her knees jerking the guy off doesn't add much). The more I think about it, the more I think it is just really bad direction. Really bad.
The photo sets are OK, but each follows the related video very closely and I can't tell if they are shot together or not. My guess is that they are. Some of these shots are at odd angles and a little off center like the photographer is standing beside the videographer.
This odd photography and video quality and the way the site is laid out makes me think these webmasters are much more about making money than they are about making quality product. They've put all the elements in place to make masterpieces, but every video I watch is a disappointment. I'm a jaded old guy who has seen a lot of porn, though, so feel free to think I'm crazy.
So, here's the kind of odd money-hungry thing I'm talking about. Across the top, you have options to join Fuck-now, Brazzers, Twistys, Digital Playground, Reality Kings or MOFOS. You can join ANY of them with what they call UNLIMITED ACCESS, for $69.00! Like any Ronco ad, they show that a lifetime Twisty's membership, for example, as a $349.00 value! I'm thinking, woa, that's a great deal! Ah, but of course, THERE'S A CATCH! It is unlimited access for AS LONG AS YOU MAINTAIN YOUR MEMBERSHIP IN BABES.COM! Wait..what? No, I would not keep my membership to babes.com for more than a month (not enough content), so the unlimited membership would be pretty useless. They do have $10 off deals on the monthly rate for these other sites, but again you have to remain as a member of babes.com
Bottom line: Sorry, with so many other great sites to choose from, I can't recommend this one. This is the porn version of that movie with all the great actors that you ended up falling asleep in. My apologies to the webmasters.
As of today Twistys has reduced it's update schedule from what was once 3 photo sets and 2 videos a day only 6 months ago to only 1 photo set and 1 video a day. The reason? A major decline in memberships (income) due to a major decline in quality of new content over the last 3 months. Now that's all they can afford.
Twistys still has a lot of great historical content, but new content is rapidly becoming mostly 2nd rate stuff you'd find on free sites AND now there's less of it. They also censor most negative comments. The new content manager is on Twitter and acts like he doesn't care about the site and it shows. Of course the VP doesn't give him much funding to work with anymore either.
Current Member for over 3 months (at the time of review).
* Lots of video content
* Much of it fairly recent
* HD quality downloads
* Style, one man's opinion, ymmv
* wimmin, one man's opinion, ymmv
I'm beginning to wonder if I am tiring of porn in general, haha. The site has a lot going for it, though not for me. It's a network of sites; I joined for Latina Rampage. However, the sites are all pretty much alike and one wouldn't even know that Latina Rampage was a Latina site if it wasn't for the occasional Latin reference. The girls all spoke perfect English.
My major problem with the site is the wimmin. I've come to use the term "tattooed warriors." This site joins that group. I don't find anything sexy about these wimmin. They largely have big fake tits and are very slutty, though pretty in their own way. This is not my cup of tea. I try to keep away from American porn since it seems to be dominated by this genre. I suppose I didn't investigate enough to know Latina Rampage was no more Latin than any other Bang Bros. site.
I normally would have given the site about 65 since it wasn't awful, but the billing and lack of support ultimately led to my decision. I was charged twice by 2 different billing companies at the onset. Epoch was one and I had no problem getting them to credit me. It was the other one that gave me grief, pay-dbmem.com. When I joined (through Epoch), I was turned down immediately and brought to the second site mentioned in about a milisecond. There I was approved. I was subsequently billed a recurring charge, something I knew that was gonna happen. I tried canceling but everyone I talked to - and it took a huge effort to get someone on the phone - could not locate a record of my account except for the canceled Epoch account. I finally had to call my bank to dispute the recurring bill.
I've been looking for some Brazzers scenes I've seen on tube sites *blush* that are linked to Brazzers as kind of short low res advertisements but I cannot find those scenes on Brazzers.
There's for example one BigButtsLikeItBig fetish kind of with Sandra Romain, Honey Demon and Danny D. The only hits I can find with search engine lead to site called brazzersvaults.org which looks more like blog, not a subscription site. The scenes cannot be found under Brazzers site "Brazzers Vault".
What's the deal? Is the dot org site even related to the Brazzers? Do they remove old scenes as I could find many images of that scene with Google stamped with BRAZZERS stamp but nothing like that scene under the brazzers.com having looked both actresses scene listings.
The MindGeeks (Twistys parent company) VP decided to screw over the runner up of the Treat of the Year contest and make the 5th place finisher runner up because they want to completely change Twistys into just another blah boy/girl site.
They've already shrunk updates from 3 photo sets and 2 videos a day down to 2 and 1 and the quality seems to be dropping off. They still advertise 3 and 2 updates, so they are engaging in illegal false advertising and have done so for a couple months now.
If you're thinking of joining Twistys for hot models in glamor style solo and girl/girl shoots, well that may only be historical content going forward. The slimeball VP who is now in charge is determined to change the site into generic boy/girl site so don't expect a lot of new traditional Twistys content going forward. These slimeballs also run Brazzers and other sites and have ZERO respect for customers, models and everyone who works for them.
Twistys, (but soon to be not as we currently know it?)
Well it would appear that Mindgeek has decided to make some (dodgy) moves with Twistys.
This all started with the leaking of the TOTY winners followed by the revelation that the runner up was not going on the TOTY trip (replaced by one of the other contestants) as in previous years (and the further developments that this had been mandated by parent company management).
This all caused an uproar on the forums which then resulted in the link to the forums being taken away from the members site. Since this has happened, the manager of the site who took over in the running from Shap after it sold has left (fired?).
This is all addition to the various site malarky that has occured recently:
- the drop in updates (yet they still advertise 3 galleries and 2 videos a day)
- the removal of advance search
- the replacement of their entire photo retouching team
There are rumours that they will no longer be shooting solo-only models. Shap has even popped up on the forums wondering what the hell is going on...
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
- Large site with 460+ videos available
- Ability to sort videos
- Updates daily with one scene per day being added
- Videos available in streaming and downloads
- Videos available in multiple resolutions
- Photos available (singles and zips)
- Beautiful models
- Good mix of American and European models
- TBP/PU discount
- Some ads and upsells
- Photo resolutions seems a bit low
- Only one video type (MP4)
- No anal (which many will consider a plus)
This review isn’t technically a review of Babes network but is of the identical clone, Babes.com. I really can’t imagine why a company would have two identical sites, but they do.
This site is another in the ‘artcore’ niche with hardcore porn done with a softer edge. If you’re looking for slapping, throat fucking and lots of anal pounding, then you’ll want to look elsewhere. There is none of that here.
What you will find here are lots of scenes with beautiful women in solo, lesbian and b/g scenes. The site has offers the ability to sort by scene type, which is an excellent feature for getting to what you prefer. My preference is for b/g, so selecting for ‘couples’ removes the solo and lesbian from what I can see. The hardcore b/g scenes all follow a familiar format with kissing, foreplay (for both partners), vaginal sex and the money shot. As is the norm with these kinds of sites, the scene lengths are approximately 20 minutes each, in keeping with the natural feel that the site is trying to create. The production values are high with good lighting and editing in the scenes. The lesbian and solo scenes offer what you’d expect with scenes in those niches.
The models are a mix of American and Europeans. Some are well-known porn stars while others are lesser known. They are all relatively young (18-25) and most are petite. One advantage to sites like this that have more sensual scenes and also offer solo and lesbian is that they seem to attract newer models who may only do solo or g/g for now. It’s a great opportunity to see some new models (like Emily Grey. Please, please, please, Ms. Grey, make the leap to hardcore!)
The site is fairly large with 189 couples videos, 95 lesbian videos and 179 solo girl videos available. The videos are all available as streaming or downloads. Streaming is available as RTMP or HTTP (I have no idea what that means…) in 720, 480 or 320 resolutions. Downloads are available in 1080, 720, 480 and mobile resolutions. MP4 is the only file type offered. I found the 720p videos to be a good compromise between video quality and file size. The 720p videos come in at 1280x720, 4000kb/s and 29fps. Subjectively, they look great with no pixilation that some sites still have at higher resolutions.
The site supports download managers and I had no problems with the links timing out. The download speeds were what I get with other sites so they don’t try to limit speeds, even at peak times. Updates are made daily with one scene per day being added.
The site offers lots of photos too. Currently there are 122 ‘couples’ photosets, 95 lesbian and 179 solo sets. The photos are available as either zips or singles. The few photosets I downloaded all had a little over 100 photos. Photo resolutions seem a bit low at 1663x2494.
There are no obvious negatives to the site. There are ads and upsells, but those happen at other sites too and they aren’t obtrusive or distracting. I did find it a bit annoying that when sorting scenes you had the option to see what scenes are available on other company sites like Brazzers, Mofos and Twisty’s. I think the trade-off is that if you really like a model it gives you access to trailers and you may want to join another site if you like what you see.
The bottom line is that this is an excellent site with some great sensual porn available. The models are beautiful and the sex is hot. At the discounted price available through TBP/PU this site is a great value if you’re looking for porn with a softer edge.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
1)What few models they have on this site are spectacular. So much so I’m inclined to think budgeting for makeup exceeds what they pay models.
2)Proudly touts categories including Athletic, bald pussy, combat ready spiked heels, black stocking and more. does that make you lick your chops, or what?
3)Video quality, is exceptional. HD so graphic one is tempted to reach inside to grab a tit.
4)Media Choices given are streaming RTNP/ progressive HTTP/ Video quality HD 720 SD medium 480P/ SD Low 320P
(if you pressure me to explain all that, I could have a senior moment concerning a blather-matter.
5) Epoch billing is primary.
6)Each model's stats are posted, including a generous amount of helpful info.
7)Comments are given space and encouraged for each model.(Pulling no punches, I think mine went down the toilet)
8)Ample solo, mucho-lesbo, plenty hardcore, as well as an added mix aimed for pleasing all.
8)Video timing varies, 10 to 15 minutes, perhaps some more or less.
1)They boast of having hundreds of models. Where?
Could this be the beginning subliminal porn?
2)clumsy password transport started from the get-go. Lost a day or more in limbo.
3)I found navigation reminiscent to stumbling through an Amusement Park fun-house .... exacerbated by countless promo trappings sticking you for limitless partners, Networks, buddy-boy boot-likers as well as you-scratch-my-back and I'll ... well, you get my drift. If the bate is too tempting, its because "Babes" made it so.
4)Scratch the technical mombo-jumbo about pixels, kbs, electronic numbering and the like, I had enough trouble just puttin' this review together.
4 not surprisingly, each fuck scene routinely goes through the same ritual of she gives him a BJ, followed by a tedious duration of the male vaginally poking, gouging, munching, licking, and generally any other event he can muster up in his presumed goal of upping the volume of her hackneyed screams of uncontrolled ecstasies.
I’d predict most guys curious enough to read this review might find this site a bonanza for a promo 30 day price of just $10. And he'd be right.
Me, on the other hand, might find better use for my money getting’ a quickie from a Aria Giovanni life-sized doll, pumped at a pressurized perfect psi with velvet lined motorized enter "tush" , satin soft tits, hand-made textured body skin, and all orifices working at peak performance.
But seriously, my lust run rampant every time I see an erotically charged video or a series of photos depicting aria lying on her back ..... wanker motion is in over-ride, titillation gauges at warp mode, all the while I'm praying she'll keep her dammed hands off her self-enamored, overweening obsession with her great pair of tits.
Well my friends, some of the gals you'll see working on this site is about as close to the excitement generated, and physically empowered endowments of the woman I just described as I can muster.
A number of These models are at a rolling boil; I might even add they're shockingly glamorous.
Figuratively, I simply visually dined on the gourmet of seeing them do their stuff.
I'd like to enthusiastically give the direction, and camera crew equal praise, but, unfortunately, they're dug in to the same old rut that befalls too many of these guys who just won't listen to we their customers.
The prolonged unsavory close-ups; shabby uncorrected mistakes; stumbling around thus giving us unsatisfactory imagery; too few full body shots; glued on single point focusing to the point of sheer boredom. The operative word is plainly "lousy.
Recommend it? with only two weeks into the site, I can't give a fair answer. Amend
if you are thinking to join this site because of anal content ( like me) beware that anal content is big time cut now. other than bwb, anal is extremely rare. still older anal scenes are out there but new ones are just not coming.
Was a member approx. 1 month prior to this review.
+ A boat load of scenes and models (about 4500 scenes)
+ About 8-10 updates per week across a 27 site network
+ Excellent navigation, can search by model, site or across the network
+ All scenes have pics up to 2500x1600 with zips and multiple video options with true 1080 HD on scenes added since late 2009
+ Model directory (with actual info!)
+ Good price at $20 a month (I got in on a special $10 price)
+ Pretty much all hardcore across a variety of genres from teen to milf
+ Excellent production values and usually an attempt to build some story line into the scenes
+ Lots of ability for users to interact on the site (ratings, forum, comments, etc)
+ Good download speeds for me - consistently in the 500 or more MB/sec range across multiple channels
- As usual the older content (before mid 2009) lacks in quality (no HD video and only 900x600 pics)
- Tags are inconsistent so not a reliable way to do a comprehensive search
- Only about 14 sites update.
- Their motto might as well be "Home of big tits and bit tatts". The majority of models would make silicon valley envious but there is something for about everyone here except softcore.
- Cross sale on signup and advertising on the site and when you log in
- A slew of "bonus sites" that are just tube quality streaming videos
- Too many pics. Many scenes have over 1000 images which just means endless pics of the same thing.
- Although not really a negative, most all the models here are certified porn stars so if you're looking for fresh meat, you won't find it here.
- Nothing terribly original about the scenes so it can seem a bit stale after a while even across the wide genres they cover
It's been almost 5 years since I was last here and I mostly stayed away because of the low quality pics and "bit tit, big ass, bit tattoos" theme that most of the sites focus on. However, I decided to jump in on a $10 a month special through TBP and have to say I was pretty impressed. There's a reason why this in one of the biggest and most popular porn sites out there. Here's the quick low down:
PICS: Older pics (before mid 2009) are only 900 to 1000 by 660. Since then, the size is great and so is the quality. You don't get download options though. My only beef is that there are too many pics with some scenes having over 2500 pics. A few sites have done better keeping them around 200-300 but most updates still have around 800. I'm glad they don't give you too few pics but I really don't need 15 shots of the same thing. With the large pic sizes, some zip files end up being 600 - 800 mb in size which is just unnecessary.
VIDS: As noted, before 2009 the vid quality is average at best. Since then the HD stuff looks really good. You get up to 7 download options (full HD to mobile sized), in browser streaming which works great (very little lag time), screen caps and 1 or 5 minute screen caps which appear just below the video to let you jump to the good stuff. Download speeds were fast and consistent. Vids range from 20 to 50 minutes. I found that I downloaded a lot of "SD mp4" files (lower rez but formatted with HD dimensions) which look pretty good on my 23" monitor and saved on the 2-5 GB full HD size.
NAVIGATION: The more I review and look at porn sites the more I see sites that just grow too big for their original navigation systems and become, at best, a chore to slog through. Since my last join here years ago they have completely revamped their navigation and it freakin' actually works well. Only a few clicks will get you where you want. You can browse through a 1000 pics and with two back button clicks you're out to update page for any site. You can search in various ways except really the tags because they're inconsistent but then I've never seen a really good tag system on a large site.
You can create favorite lists, the sites track the scenes you've looked at that you can easily access and there's lots of opportunity to give feedback and interact if you're into that. The model directory has actual info and lets you follow porn stars.
OVERALL: I'm not really into the big tit slutty porn star thing but I found that I downloaded about 500 photo sets and about 80 vids so I can't say I was disappointed. You got teens, milfs, uniforms, bit butts, big tits, squirting, etc. to choose from so unless you're into softcore or lez you should be able find a few goodies.
Production values since 2009 are great and you get a ton of models.
My negative impressions are mostly minor. A few broking links, the site bogged down my Firefox browser after 2 hours (probably need more ram), and even with all the sites and models the porn does get a little repetitive but then again this is a pretty mainstream porn network.
While I'm not ready to sell out and go sign myself up for life to the silicon boob of the day club I was pretty impressed with the site. If I were to score it just on content and production value it'd only be in the mid 80's but the well thought out navigation and ease of use are some of the best I've seen which bumps up the score to 92. At last, a pleasant surprise.
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