Does anyone know whether the $10 trial is fully functional?
X-art these days is a long way from the kind of site I'd want to be on, it seems to have become slightly glossy gonzo rather than the beautiful erotica they claim. But I think there are maybe 10 or 12 films from the last year that I would like to download. I'd like to give them as little money as possible given their godawful business practices, they're really not the sort of people I want to pay money to. It would be cool if a $10 trial would allow me to download the few films I'd like to watch.
Hi RA - with regards to darkness, I was referring to both, not necessarily in the same film. There have been largely negative comments from members on the site about some of the recent material (and lots of positive comments from the staff who know where their next paycheck is coming from). Interestingly, quite a few are from female members saying that they don't like it but are OK with it being there if other members do like it.
I saw an interview with Colette from X-Art in GQ a couple of years ago, where she said that although they were aiming at females & couples, they were aware that the majority of their members were male porn users - and they are coming from years of watching much more extreme material. I think that, in the end, this is why the glamcore sites go downhill. It's a commercial decision, and I don't blame them for it. Unfortunately it means there isn't anywhere for people like us.
I've just had a look. They've deleted all the negative comments and added a big gushing interview with one of the performers where she goes on about how anyone who doesn't like anal has a closed mind and all that shit. Real stupid straw man arguments.
It's exactly what x-art did a couple of years ago. Bigging up all the anal scenes, censoring negative comments, insulting those who don't like anal.
Funny really. It even the same down to this - a month ago the guy who runs the site said they wouldn't do anal - when they were making this film at the time. Once Colette at x-art said they had one anal scene in th can and wouldn't do any more, and two weeks later released a dp scene! They're the same right down to the lying about it!
They're running scared after what happened to Cameron Bay.
If you set a mob of 50 drunken psychos on a girl, with permission to do pretty much what they want to her, something is going to go wrong. This site had untested members of the public slapping, beating, scratching, and even sticking their hands roughly into the girls. They were lucky with Bay in that she had a lurid personal life so they were able to cloud the issue and claim she could have been infected before. If it had happened to another performer, Kink could have been wiped out.
Kink always claim to be very big on consent, although the scenes themselves appear anything but consensual. In these PD scenes the girls have no idea what is going on, and who is touching them - Bay said she was just trying to survive it and it was only when she saw the finished scene that she realised what was happening to her.
They are trying to become a center for the BDSM community, but they have found that they are an embarrassment to it. Most of their material is about violence, hate & rape rather than consensual BDSM, and their audience is misogynists and hate-filled creeps who would never get near a woman let alone negotiate consensual BDSM with her. That's why they are cleaning up their act.
Not only do they not enjoy it, they really hate it.
By the time they've not eaten for hours, given themselves an enema and thoroughly cleaned (no-one wants to see a scat movie), then the whole area is even more sensitive than normal. Even using anaesthetic cream doesn't stop it entirely - I've even heard of girls resorting to injecting local anaesthetics to get through anal scenes. I mean, how could anyone think that a girl could take half a dozen outsized cocks up her ass for 2 or 3 hours and be in anything other than searing pain?
I don't know anything about your site at all. I have no idea what the niche is, what the content is like, or anything. Having read this, I do know I would never ever join it, if it was the last site on earth.
What an unpleasant little man.
Abbey Winters occupies a niche which isn't of interest to me, so I have no dog in this argument. However, I do find the comments on photography interesting. I have noticed that a few other sites are trying to get away from the lights up full, f/16 or f/22 everything in focus simplistic photography, and bringing in a more intimate feel with shallow depth of field, more natural light etc (for example 21st sextury). I assume it's an attempt to differentiate themselves from the mass produced herd. To me it's a great improvement. Sadly, it seems that a significant number of consumers don't get it, and just think it's out of focus or underexposed.
I travel abroad a lot, and I've occasionally fallen foul of security when logging on to a site from two different countries on the same day. X-art was a pain for this - I used to have to go through the full password reset process. I eventually worked out that you have to wait until the next day PCT.
However, I did see an interview with a couple of performers where they said how easy it was compared to other extreme porn. Compared to the brutal and very painful anal type stuff which they have to go through for most scenes, bukkake is nothing. If you're used to getting sperm on your face, bukkake is just more of it. There may be a lot of humiliation involved, but it isn't painful or dangerous. You can do one scene in the morning, and another in the afternoon. With most extreme porn, you can't work for days afterwards while you recover.
I've used hotels a few times, don't really like doing it but I'm on the road a lot and have had problems keeping up with the updates on some sites. I'm quite happy to access PU, it doesn't seem like porn!
Sooner or later all these sites give up on the quality and beauty - it's just too much hard work when the majority of porn consumers only want to see brutality. Fortunately SexArt hasn't dropped its standards yet. I hope you like it!
Well I'm afraid the self-justification simply raises a hollow laugh. I only have one experience of this site - when X-Art hired James Deen several members complained because of his violent material, so I downloaded a film to see for myself. I had no idea such repulsive violence existed. In addition to the slapping and spitting which I kind of expected, the girl was beaten repeatedly with a pool cue, swung around by her hair, punched, kicked in the face, they stamped on the back of her neck so hard I'm surprised they didn't break it, and half drowned. She ended up semi conscious. Sure, they chucked a bucket of water over her and she sat there blankly saying how wonderful it was afterwards - again, that's a legal loophole, that's all. Anyone who isn't provoked to a towering rage by such material is beyond me, and the very idea that someone could find it sexually arousing is utterly sickening. This was nothing to do with sex, it was just violence, brutality and hatred.
I guess we just have different views on the ways one human being should treat another.
The material on this site really is the worst of the worst. The little "interviews" are used by Kink to circumvent our already minimal restrictions on violence in porn and protections for the female performers. They are all that prevent the producers and male performers from being where they should be - behind bars. Viewers may rationalise (ie lie) to themselves that the interviews show that Kink are good guys but the reality is that they are taking advantage of the state of the porn business and paying the girls a minimal amount (what was paid 10 years ago for a single easy straight B/G scene) and making them agree to the most appalling abuse in order to scratch a living.
Anyone who isn't utterly repelled by this material really needs to take a long hard look into their soul. Sure, the r@pe part of it may be (just) a fantasy, but the violence, brutality, abuse, and shattering pain which the girls are suffering for your viewing pleasure are unfortunately very, very real.
There are obvious advantages to the sites - they can pretend that the girl is new, if they change nationality then they might get a few members from that country if people think there are local girls on the site, they can try to maintain an air of exclusivity by having almost all unique names, and they can try to separate themselves from the girls' escort names. Given that so many european porn perfomers are really escorts who just do porn as a loss leader, I am surprised they put up wth it.
I really can't see any advantage to the girl in using a different name on some sites - they don't use their real names anyway.
Thanks. A thoughtful comment. However, all you are really doing is demonstrating the appalling way most porn is made - well, duh! I wouldn't go near any sites that I thought might behave like that. I don't have an obsession with anal at all, it just happens to be the subject here. I leave that to the pro-anal people, who go on sites posting over and over again on the subject. Even on SexArt, there are members who never post about anything else - you can see their posting record and it is page after page of demands for anal and comments on girls' anuses. Fortunately they have so far not got anywhere on SexArt so they tend to drift away. X-art has similar members, but there they have succeeded, are now in the majority, and the site has been wrecked. I do agree, though, that for me it is symbolic of the ugliness and abuse of modern porn.
Saying the girls all enjoy it is ridiculous, the percentage of women who enjoy anal in the real world compared to the percentage who supposedly enjoy it in porn makes those claims utterly untenable. In Petra you may have found one of the miniscule number who really do enjoy it, but when you get up to 5, 10 or 30%, let alone the 80%+ on most sites it just can't be believed. Sadly you are perpetuating the dangerous myth that it is easy and enjoyable. So yes, I do punish you, as your claims that the girls all enjoy doing anal aren't believable. You don't have a magical source of girls who all love anal, you just have models who have to do anal to earn a living. This subject came up on SexArt a while ago, and one of the members there put it much more concisely than I could. So, with compliments to "Blackhawk":
If you ask a model if she wants to do a scene with anal or without it, she will say "Without". If you ask her if she wants to do the scene, or not do it and not get paid while someone else does it and does get paid, she will say "Yes". "Something they're comfortable with and want to do" simply means "something they've done before".
I agree that is the real problem. We have absolutely no weight in the market. Over recent years porn has become so ugly and abusive that most people have cut back or simply stopped buying it - which is why the porn business is in such a financial mess. Unfortunately, rather than trying to reach out to wider markets of females, couples and well adjusted guys, it is easier to sink back into trying to squeeze a few more dollars out of the hardened porn addicts, a dumb move as those are exactly the people more likely to learn how to pirate material and they will always want more extreme sex. The performers end up having to do more and more painful, ugly and outright dangerous acts for less and less money as the business collapses. If you have any empathy at all, the vast majority of porn is absolutely sickening. Obviously Joymii isn't that extreme (yet), but it will get worse, bitter experience shows that.
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