What’s up with 18 Only Girls and Diesel Access Network lately?
This may not qualify as a comment, but I thought it made more sense here than on the forum. Apologies if you think I made the wrong choice…
18 Only Girls was reviewed at TBP today and that got me thinking about how the excellent Diesel Access sites used to be one of the best values on the internet. If you recall, if you joined through TBP / PU you not only got a $10 discount from the single-site price, but you got access to every site they had for that lower price. And the webmaster popped in to say hello once in a while.
But things are different today. 18 Only Girls is a stand-alone site with no discount for TBP / PU members. You do get access to Skinny Super Girl featuring Gloria. I’ll admit that.
But if you want access to their other signature site, Young Legal Porn, that’s a separate $30 membership. And, for some strange reason the bonus site here is also Skinny Super Girl.
The same goes for their other sites – they are all now stand-alone and $30 per month. Some don’t even offer a bonus site – not even the same one that is offered with other sites.
To further erode the sense of value, Diesel spun off a separate company with Wow Girls and now Wow Porn that use the same format and even the same models but are stand-alone sites for $30 per month.
I realize that there are some obvious possible answers here, such as their high production costs make this an expensive venture, or now that they’re established they don’t need to offer discounts, but does anyone have any inside information on why this company changed its business model so quickly? They went from being our BFF here to pretending they don’t even know us anymore.
I do realize that some of their sites offer five-month access to “all our 13 sites” but they don’t list the sites. TBP lists 14 from Diesel, so my worry is that buying a $100 five-month membership through 18 Only Girls would exclude the other main site, Young Legal Porn.
Has anyone here tried the five-month, 13-site access who might give some advice?
(Not related to this already long ‘comment,” but in my opinion one of the most sensual (and sexy) photos I have ever seen is the lead photo of Gloria on her Skinny Super Girl site where she is lying face down on a white-covered bed looking back at the camera and giving a sultry look. That photo melts every part of me except one. I only mention this because I saw her model photo on 18 Only Girls and she looks TERRIBLE. Yes she’s thin, but some of us like that. That photo makes her look anorexic. It isn’t flattering. I know she’s not to everyone’s liking, but the webmaster must have been mad at her the day he opted to use that as her promo picture.)
This site part of the Diesel Access ‘network’ and is included when you pay an additional $10 when joining. I’d highly recommend that as it gives you access to 14 sites.
This site is one of the two main sites on the ‘network,’ the other being Young Legal Porn. In my opinion, you should buy full access because these two sites compliment each other. Most often the video from a shoot will be on one site and the photos on the other. You’ll be leaving too much behind if you don’t have access to both sites.
Currently there are 850+ videos and 1100+ photosets of 229 models.
The video and photo specs I listed on my review at Young Legal Porn apply here. Actually, pretty much everything in that review applies here.
I’m sure there is a simple answer to this, but I can’t figure it out.
When you go into any of the 21 Sextury or 21 Sextreme sites there is a long list of niches that appears on the left hand side of the screen under the heading “filter scenes by…” It would seem that you could click on any of the boxes or a combination of boxes to sort scenes to include certain things you’re looking for. But here’s the problem: when you select a niche the page doesn’t automatically reload to show the themes you want and there is no button to allow the page to sort. Can anyone tell me how I actually use this feature? Manually refreshing the page doesn’t work either, it just reloads the page and clears any checked boxes.
Quick (I hope) technical question about the 21 Sextury network
I finally joined this network a week or so ago and love it. My only regret is that I didn’t join earlier.
When I went on the site earlier this evening something was different though and I don’t know if I’ve changed a setting or if the site has been changed. I’m hoping a member might have the answer (and even better, a fix).
Up until today when I went to a site page there was a grid of 36 thumbnails, one for each scene on that page. Hovering the mouse pointer over a thumbnail would bring up information on the scene name, upload date, site, and model name – all useful information. All of that is still the same today but now when I hover over a thumbnail I get an additional pop-up that shows a few screencaps from the scene. I don’t object to seeing the screencaps but that pop-up is large enough that you have to be careful to move your pointer to an area of the main thumbnail so you can still read the information. There is a fine line between seeing the scene information and moving your pointer off the thumbnail, thereby losing both the pop-up and the scene information.
So can anyone tell me if I’ve accidentally turned some setting on or is this a new feature on the network as of today?
This site part of the Diesel Access ‘network’ and is included when you pay an additional $10 when joining. I’d highly recommend that as it gives you access to 14 sites. This site features Alice, a petite, young Russian or eastern European model. Her look isn’t classic pornstar – she’s more wholesome looking but very beautiful and erotic. She does solo, g/g and b/g hardcore.
The site has 400+ videos and 230+ photosets. The site hasn’t updated for a while and there have been no new Alice scenes added to Young Legal Porn or 18 Only Girls in a while either so she may have left the business.
The site currently has 106 videos and adds one video per week.
A membership here gives you a membership to three other massage-themed sites with over 730 massage videos and regular updates. If you’re interested, what I wrote when reviewing Nuru Massage applies to this site too.
For those who are Amateur Allure fans I thought I’d mention that starting a few months back they changed the scene formula that they use. Some people see any formula as a negative but I’m okay with a formula if it works and in this case it did (and still does).
The old formula was the girl arrives, there is a brief chat, she drops to her knees while dressed and gives head, there is usually head in a few positions, there is sex on the couch while she’s clothed, then the guy pops in her mouth for a swallow. After that she usually got naked, there was more head, more sex and a second pop and swallow.
The new formula seems to be that there are two scenes per update now with different models. Instead of having a second scene with the same model while she’s undressed there is an entire second scene with a different model. The formula with each scene is essentially the same with head and sex while clothed followed by a pop and swallow and then on to a scene with a different model. Complete nudity is far less frequent now.
I don’t dislike the new formula because it really does give a lot more value in getting two distinct scenes per weekly update but I do prefer the old formula. I have a thing for clothed male/nude female scenes and Amateur Allure had been a good site for seeing this but is less so now. It’s still a favourite site of mine, but now just a little bit less so.
In a recent update the male talent (and site owner) noted that they were filming in 4K but that hasn’t translated to uploads yet.
If I have one complaint about the site it’s that they don’t offer a discount to recurring members. The site is expensive at $40USD per month for four updates (and more so for us Canadians at $50CDN since our petro-dollar is tanking on low crude prices) so I join a few times a year when it is a fair value. But if the site offered a discount for a continuing membership I’d likely just stay forever.
As of July 28, 2014 Amateur Allure has partnered with four other sites to offer some licenced scenes. Currently there are ten scenes each from Fucked Hard 18, Gloryhole Swallow, Jules Jordan and Mr. POV. According to the announcement more will be added each week. A Fucked Hard 18 scene will be added on Mondays, a Jules Jordan scene will be added on Tuesdays, a Mr. POV scene will be added on Wednesdays and a Gloryhole Swallow scene will be added on Thursdays. The usual weekly Amateur Allure scene will be uploaded on Fridays. I’m familiar with all of those sites and the uploads seem to be older material.
I’m a big fan of Amateur Allure and it has been my all-time favorite porn site since I first joined back in January. I hope that these changes will bring in more members that will then allow the crew to continue to make their exclusive scenes. It certainly adds a lot of value to a membership even the site does cost more than the average site membership.
If anyone from the site reads this I’d like to make two suggestions that might also be effective in bringing in more revenue:
Remaster the hundreds of older scenes that are already on the site. They are currently only available as QuickTime videos and are broken down into three segments. I’m not technically minded, but if it was possible to stitch the three segments together into one full scene and convert them to a more common file type that would be a great bonus for members. The video quality would obviously be lower but having better access to the older scenes would be great.
Consider a loyalty discount. Once currency is converted the membership costs me $40 per month and with four scenes being added per month that means that I cancel my membership and rejoin for a month every three or four months to keep the cost per scene more reasonable. If they dropped the monthly price to perhaps $20 for rebills I’d probably just sign up and stay a member for as long as the site’s around. I suspect that most members are like me in that the first time you join there is extensive downloading going on but subsequent memberships are low use since all I’m doing is getting a dozen or fewer updates.
This site is included with a membership to Gag Factor, which means that it has all the flaws of that site. With the full price of the membership at $30 it isn’t a great value even considering that you get access to Gag Factor, Hardcore Fuck Machines, American Bukkake, Over Stuffed Holes and Ghetto Swarm. The problem is partly quantity, but mostly quality – the quality of the videos is much lower than the industry standard.
This site gives access to a lot (but not all) the scenes from the JM Productions series’ of American Bukkake, American Gokkun, Lesbian Bukkake and Reverse Bukkake. These are pretty innovative and unique series’.
There are over 400 scenes posted. Those are broken down as follows (the numbers are approximate, but close):
American Bukkake – 102 scenes
American Gokkun 8
Reverse Bukkake 35
Lesbian Bukkake 37
BTS (from all series’) 73
The quantity of scenes isn’t bad at all. This is a pretty good representation of the scenes available. The problem is the quality of the videos. After February 2008 the video quality improved to 640x480 at 1500 to 2100kbps. This isn’t up to industry standard today. But prior to February 2008 the video quality was much worse. Resolutions can be as low as 320x240 at 361kbps. These are almost unwatchable by today’s standards. I suspect they were low when they were uploaded in 2004.
Streaming is available – at a resolution reported to be lower than the downloads.
Pics are available (with and average of 60~ per scene) but there is no option for zips.
Please see my review of Gag Factor if you’re looking for more specific details as a lot of that is applicable here too.
I've just wrapped up a month membership (I've been a member several times in the past) and agree with most of what the reviewers have been saying so there is no need for another full review.
There is a good discussion of technical stuff in the reviews, but suffice to say here that American Vice is still leading the pack.
In terms of content, American Vice offers a wide range of titles to appeal to almost every taste. The site may be slanted a bit more toward mainstream gonzo than some would like, but I suspect that is driven by what is available to post. One thing I really appreciate is the availability of older titles that aren't seen anywhere else. Old titles from Extreme Associates are widely availble, and there is even some old Max Hardcore before he went completely bat-shit crazy. As a fan of early 90s porn, this stuff is always great to see.
For anyone new to downloading porn, an American Vice membership is definitely the place to start. Using an unlimited download membership over several months you can build a decent DVD collection.
I've heard some negative comments about the webmaster's editorials for each scene, but for me, but I think this adds a lot of value and certainly makes the site much more personal and unique than the main competitor, Videobox. The user comments at Videobox can get pretty boring and repetitive. The comments at American Vice can give you some insight into the scene and give you a good chuckle too.
Bottom line for me is that this is likely the best DVD download site on the 'net today. It isn't miles ahaead of industry standard, but it is ahead of the curve. American Vice also has one thing that makes a big difference for me, and it isn't something that I can quantify. It is a sense that the webmaster actually wants to provide the members a decent service at a fair price. That's actually fairly rare in the porn business. I've never had a problem at AV, but I suspect if I did it would be resolved quickly. While the comparison is flawed because of content differences, I'd compare American Vice with the best-of-the-best of in-house sites like Kink.com for customer respect.
I highly recommend American Vice. I'd give it a score in the 90s.
I rejoined this site and the network that it’s a part of. It has always come with access to 20+ sites even though some of those no longer update. Like its sister site Evil Angel this one has gone through a bit of s redesign though the redesign here isn’t as extreme as the redesign at Evil Angel. On both sites the redesign seems to be more change for change sake since the old design was functional and effective.
With this site though they have made some changes that may mean this is the last time I join. In the past when you were on any site page that was part of the network there was a pull-down menu at the upper left that allowed you to select any other site in the network. That’s no longer there. In fact, there appears to be no way to move between sites on the network now. There is a ‘network’ tab and selecting that brings up all the scenes on the network but there is no way that I can find to associate those scenes with a site or a DVD. I’ve also tried googling other sites in the network (Mike Adriano, for example) but my username and password won’t work.
Site access isn’t the only problem though. Now when you select a scene now it automatically starts streaming. For many this is probably a non-issue, but for me it is a major annoyance. I don’t stream, I download. If I want to stream the scene I’ll do that myself. Why waste bandwidth having this start automatically?
I’ve emailed their support staff to ask how I access the other sites. If I get an answer and they make changes or point me to a way to actually do this I’ll post the answer here.
I’ve been a member here twice before and while there was a wide variation in models before it seems to be that there has been an overall slide in model looks over the past few months. Some of the more recent models have been downright scary looking. (But for those with this fetish, there was a very-pregnant model a couple of weeks ago.) For first-time members this won’t be an issue, but if you are returning make sure to look carefully at the previews before deciding to rejoin. I hope this is just temporary.
I got an email on Thursday for a site called XXX Pawn. It wasn't listed here so I checked it out from the email. It looked interesting and I would definitely consider joining so I clicked the link to "Join Now" and I can't accuse them of lying. I wanted to see how much the site subscription was but instead a page popped up thanking me for joining. A bit of digging revealed that this is a new Bang Bros site and because I was a recent BB member they obviously retained my credit card information.
My advice is to make sure any "join" link you hit from an email isn't from BB or you might be in for a nasty surprise.
I added on a group of sites called the "SuperPack" to my BB membership. I received an email with the joining information (with the same username and password as my main membership) and with a link for customer service that was different from my main membership. I followed the link to cancel the SuperPack membership and it's the same page as the main site where you have to select which site you want to cancel but "SuperPack" isn't listed. My confirmation email said I joined through Dancing Bear (which is part of the Pack) but the site said I didn't have a membership there.
Also, there is a two-part captcha where one part of it has to be the most difficult to decipher that I've ever seen.
I haven't had any billing issues, but my advice is to cancel any add-ons early in case you have problems. I've sent them and email and I'm hoping that cancellation isn't a more of a problem than it is already.
A “head’s up” if adding Public Invasion through Bang Bros
Public Invasion is a stand-alone Bang Bros site that you can join for $25 per month. If you join this way I don’t know what network access you get. If you join the BB network through the main portal you have the option of adding Public Invasion for $10. That sounds like a good deal, but it isn’t. The main site has 189 scenes available while the ‘site’ you can join for $10 only has 30 scenes. Obviously BB can charge what it wants, but nothing I saw when I joined through the BB portal indicated I was getting limited access, and the cost per episode is more than double on the add-on site.
Having said all that, if you’re a fan of public stuff, as I am, my advice is to save your money on both sites. There really isn’t much ‘public’ material here, at least not in the 30 scenes I had access to. The site really offers Eastern European models (most unknown to me) flashing a bit outdoors when no one is looking and then the action moves to a more secluded spot for oral and intercourse. This really shouldn’t be tagged as ‘public’ but rather as ‘outdoor.’
I'm not really sure what happened, and I'm not blaming Bang Bros for this, I merely want to add this in case someone else has a similar issue or if someone might find this useful.
I joined the site a couple of weeks ago and within 20 minutes my credit card company called me. They were concerned that this was an unknown company charging my card. I told them everything was fine but they suggested putting a block on future charges. Two days later I go back to the site and my membership won't work. I check my credit card and see that I was only charged a small amount and assumed that I had somehow got a trial membership. No big deal.
But today I checked my credit card again and two weeks ago (a week or so after I initially joined) there was another Bang Bros charge. So I tried the membership again and it works.
I'm not concerned, yet, because this doesn't appear to be a billing problem.
Still, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for no more issues.
I had a membership here recently which turned out to be only a trial (which I didn't think existed) so I only downloaded 50 or so scenes so this is based on those scenes only, but in about 20% of those there are audio problems. The problem is that the audio and video aren't synchronized. The scenes start out fine but by the end it appears that they're off my as much as a minute. This is with the WMV files and I can't say if it exists for other formats too. I'll admit that I only have a small sample of scenes available on this site, but a 20% problem with the ones I have can't be a mere coincidence. I joined the site to get a rare Tanner Mayes anal scene and it's one of the worst for audio problems that I downloaded.
Unsynchronized audio is a personal pet peeve of mine and enough to ensure I never rejoin the site.
This site part of the Diesel Access ‘network’ and is included when you pay an additional $10 when joining. I’d highly recommend that as it gives you access to 14 sites. This site features Beata, a petite, young Russian or eastern European model with a really unique look. Some may say she looks plain or unremarkable, but in my opinion she’s really quite attractive. She has a look like no other model I can think of. Very, very good looking but not in a traditional porn way. The site currently has 140+ videos and 220+ photosets. It updates every three or four days with one video or photoset being added.
This site is part of the Burning Angel network, which features models with lots of tattoos, some piercings and generally with a Goth or punk look. This site is the token big-breast site on the network, though the models here can also be found on other sites on the network. My guess is that the site owners figured this out too since the site is small (20 scenes) and hasn’t updated since December 2010.
Yes, I know that I should have noticed the warning on the TBP page, but I didn't. And to make matters worse the biller (FX Billing) lumps your agreement to buy adult material in with the cross-sell. I'm not sure if you could even join without getting the cross-sell because you need to tick the box to affirm you're legal to buy porn.
Not knowing that I had signed up for another site, I also didn't cancel it right away and got rebilled today. The site is NS Premium, which has some affiliation with New Sensations. Here's the thing though: after being charged $40 on the rebill I go to the site to find out that when I try to download anything I get a message that I'm not a valid member and that I now need to buy an upgrade!
I had an online chat with the biller and they've not yet agreed to refund the $40. My preference would be a refund, but I'd even accept a functioning membership for that price.
Make sure you try uncheck the box if trying to join Bikini Dare. If you can't join without accepting the cross-sell, then don't join Bikini Dare at all. It isn't worth the hassle.
My membership to Bikini Dream is working again and I got into that site. Several of the sites that the TBP review says are linked to Bikini Dream through a membership are actually listed on that site specifically as being bonus sites. However, my username and password still don’t work. To make matters worse, I’m now only allowed to failed attempts at a log in (using the link they provide in their own site) before my membership gets disabled.
The trial membership is still decent value if you want softcore bikini videos and photos, but don’t join for the bonus sites as you may be disappointed.
Everything I wrote about Bikini Dream in my review remains accurate, but some of my comments about the network need to be clarified. Within the Bikini Dream site there are links to the sites that make up the network. I can’t confirm which they are. More on that below.
I used the TBP review page to access the sites and they list 17 sites as being available some of which (now, at least) are not part of the network. I was able to get access to Bikini Dream, Stunners, Ashlyn Brooke and All Anal XXX. I was not able to get access to Busty Café, Internal Violations, Stolen Porn Videos, Our Homemade Porno and Real Hidden Porn with my membership. To make matters worse, attempting to access all those sites caused my username and password to be blocked even from the sites that I did have access to. Apart from the sites I've listed I can't confirm access to the others as my membership was deactivated.
If my membership works again I’ll post a confirmed list of available sites on this network.
I'm well into my membership now (I'll post a full review soon) and I may have jumped the gun a bit in saying the pricing problem is fixed. There are scenes marked as "extra" and those are all now available, assuming that it was these that weren't available before. What isn't available still are any scenes labeled as part of "Moviez." Acess to Moviez will cost you an additional $30. It appears that well over half of the material on the site is only available with the additional fee. This site is huge, so just paying the initial $20 fee is still worth it, but it is frustrating to not have access to all of the content. There is also no way (that I can find) to filter the extra content out. There are also some studios where 100% of there content is only available for the extra fee. Some may argue that this is the same thing that Videobox does, but I don't agree. Videobox charges $5 less for the initial subscription, and the two add-on sites are specific studios. Brain Pass / Pornstar Network doesn't have such a clear distinction, and the additional access is far more expensive than the additional content at VB. Also, you can filter out the additional content on VB.
TBP just did a review of Brain Pass / PornStar Network and they seem to suggest that the problem is fixed. Spencer wrote that “Their join process for normal people can be a little confusing as they have a free account, a paid account, and then a VIP upgrade option. To get the best, you'd spend $60 a month here. However, if you join through our site by clicking their link, you can get in for $20 a month, and access to the whole shebang, saving you $40 a month. This deal is exclusive to our site, and is pretty awesome.” I joined after the pricing issue was resolved and I don’t have access to the whole site. If I open a site available only through Moviez I get the requirement to spend an additional $30. I've submitted an error report and will see what they say when they get back to the site after Christmas.
This is still a great site, but the pricing model is a bit frustrating.
In his reply to jpg386's comment about additional costs on Brain Pass / Pornstar Network, PU staff Vegas Ken said he was told by website staff that the problem is fixed. I'm several days into a membership and can report that what the staff told Vegas Ken is true. There are still some movies that are newer release that require a membership to Moviez, but all the titles labelled "extra" are now available for download.
Many thanks to PU Staff for looking out for us and exerting some influence over a great site.
I spoke with a fellow PU member over the weekend who had originally warned me about this problem. I called to tell him that it was reported fixed but he said his membership ran out a few days before the fix was made. :-( I hope there aren't too many of us in that circumstance.
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