As a porn fan I find you're not reputable because you try to trick customers. If they get to try something they wouldn't get to try otherwise then fine, put in the cross sell but don't pre check it. If you say it's easy to see then it's easy for them to check it if it's uncrossed. They work for sites like yourselves because customers are tricked into paying for something they don't want, and then are too embarrassed to complain to credit card companies. One customer services representative at one company was honest enough to admit customers hate them and end up signing for something they don't want.
If you want to be considered reputable clean up your act, because no, companies like yourself are not reputable at all from my perspective.
Here are some other recent comments from members.
From tiemac1 on 31 january 2103
"Warning Cancelation Problem and Extra Charges
Be warned this website or billing company attempts to charge you extra for useless and or dead sites. (3 day trial)
They are also very difficult to cancel.
-Odd cancelation site."
From bibo on 20 December 2012
No other site is cheeky enough to ask for FOUR different identification parameters in order to just CANCEL an existing account. Sorry, ddf, but this is my last visit to your site."
From Denner on 25 November 2012
When you join a site and want to cancel re-billing, it got to be smooth...
But this site certainly makes it hard:
When joining, I could not see which billing co. was in question - AND never got a mail back - so luckily I could remember the chosen login/password.
And when trying to cancel rebill, I have 7 choices of billing co. and all of the DDF-sites to choose from - none of them worked - and it took a hell of a time to go through all.
This is the problem with pre cross checked selling. I may not have said it a hundred times, but I've said it a lot. If you're a reputable site, don't try to trick customers. It reflects badly on the whole industry and means people will be reluctant to ever part with their money again. It takes customers away from the whole porn industry. Reputable sites can get the benefit of the doubt if a misunderstanding occurs, but as far as I'm concerned, if you have pre checked cross selling you're not a reputable site. It's about time PU/TBP stood up for the customer, supported reputable sites, and spoke out against dirty tricks, but they are weak and in trouble themselves. Not good.
This site looks good and is now available at a discount from TBP/PU. One of the few negatives is video files only come in MP4. You get Seymore Butts as a bonus site, and it looks a tempting offer, but take a look at the sign up page. You can either sign up for one month at a discounted rate of $9.95 instead of the regular $17.95, or sign up for three months at a rate of $19.95 a month, for a total of $59.85, or a two day trial for $1 which renews at $29.95 a month. What!?
It's not that they're being dishonest, as the discount looks great, but the whole point of a three month membership is to give a discount to long term members, which benefits both site and customer. Do they know what they're doing? This is one of my points and gripes about porn sites and networks at the moment. They do not appear to have an overall marketing strategy, sense of coordination, know where they are going, what they are doing, or who they are trying to appeal to. Nothing is streamlined and the bleeding obvious seems to be way over their heads at times.
Having said that, the discounted price looks to be a great deal. If they want long term customers how about a three month membership at a rate of $26.85 for three months, that's $8.95 a month. No criticism of the site, as the discount looks great and so does the material, it just looks like the left hand has decided to put in a discount, and not told the right hand.
For me ECG and Czech First Video (part of Czech AV), are the only sites I know (along with Backroom Casting Couch) that do this sort of thing, and do it well. There are plenty of other audition type sites, but for me these three are head and shoulders above everything else in this niche. Most of the others are phony and have some very regular and professional models pretending to be amateurs, or have truly dire quality.
Yes, but it is far from cookie cutter porn. The use of the split screen is another thing that varies. I think it is used more now than it was a couple of years ago. It's effective at times, but sometimes imo it detracts from the action.
Thanks Capn, yes hardcore is a big part of this site, with the reaction of the girls having sex for the first time on camera quite a prominent part. There are some softcore pics, with stripping, some updates have no pics, some have softcore only, and some have hardcore.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
No DRM, download limits, or pre checked cross selling.
Beautiful amateur girls in a good variety of shape size and colour.
Genuinely amateur and individual content with its own style.
Exclusive material and most of the girls will not be seen elsewhere.
Good lighting considering the niche.
Good download speed.
Girls listed chronological and alphabetically.
Inviting home pages and easy navigation.
Easy log in, site remembers your details, with only an easy to see word to copy.
Good customer oriented feel.
Poor rip off exchange rate with CCBill sign up.
Male lead can be a bit irritating at times.
One type of material.
No network of bonus sites.
A few too many fake breasts, and especially tattoos.
Condoms becoming more common.
Blurred face of male can sometimes spoil action.
Some bad camerawork and views at times. Can be amateurish.
New pics look like screencaps.
A polarised niche, you either love it or hate it.
It's just an opinion but Exploited College Girls, takes this niche and nails it brilliantly. The girl next door types are the type you wish really were living next door instead of that rottweiler, but you know you'll never get that lucky.
There is a real amateur feel here and a lack of gloss, but the girls are so beautiful they don't need much gloss, they just need someone competent enough not to fuck up capturing them on video, and merely need to look their natural gorgeous best. This is where ECG scores. It is professionally lit, edited, and photographed well enough to be erotic, with the girls looking stunning. For me it's an excellent blend of professionalism and DIY amateurism, which isn't easy to do, because so many times you see beautiful girls being made to look unbelievably unsexy, by lousy lighting, bad excessive makeup, awful camerawork with awful unflattering angles, shot by morons you wouldn't trust to shoot a rock without blurring the picture.
The recent shoots are dated and I counted 286 girls a few weeks ago. Membership gives bonus access to Backroom Casting Couch, (on a quality par with ECG), and Net Video Girls plus some free movies. This isn't a network, it's a standalone DIY site, with quality material, and beautiful girls. Given the one man and his camera thing, it's done in a professional enough way to show off the girls to maximum effect, plus you get plenty of build up, dressing, undressing, and walking around naked and semi naked.
This is just my opinion, but I think the guy does a great job, even though he may not win any humanitarian, or upstanding church goer of the month awards...or maybe he might, we don't know who he is, as his face is blurred out, something that is annoying and can detract from the action. Backroom Casting Couch is the same.
New video spec is 768x432 at 4000-6000 kbps and slightly older ones are 640x360 at 3000-5000 kbps, with the oldest being 576x324, but this isn't about HD pristine quality with models looking like they've been dipped in bronze, it's about one man and a camera, and at it's most high tech, one man and two cameras, with occasional help from a mate.
Old pictures sometimes look better than the new ones, because the new ones are screencaps rather than genuine photos. Old ones are genuine photos, and some of the bonus video footage was behind the scenes, where you could see these being taken. I love that sort of stuff, but sadly newer updates don't have any of that, although the main videos always have a certain behind the scenes flavour due to the nature of the content.
If you're a pic fan, this is not the strongest side of ECG. Examples of picture spec are 1400x930, 1600x1200, 1280x857, 1280x720, and 1400x788.
Some PU'ers have referred to the male lead as a douch bag, but given the abuse, both verbal and physical, some girls receive on mainstream sites, this is relatively mild by comparison, and there are no dirty tricks on sign up or cancellation, no drm, dl limits, regional discrimination, or pre checked cross selling. What you see and are led to expect is very much what you get. In fact the whole site is easy to use and is customer friendly. You can't say that about many.
The login is easy, and your membership details plus password are remembered, with an easy to see simple word to copy. Models are listed both chronologically and alphabetically and navigation is easy, with quite detailed previews of what an update is like, plus a long written summary about the shoot. You may not like the main man's tone, but you can't say he doesn't put in the effort. Photos are zippped, download speeds are fast, and files are numbered.
I found streaming facilities to be excellent even at peak times, when on other sites (VideoBox for instance) it's impossible to get a picture. A recent addition is the split screen view, where you see both the model's face and the other end at the same time, which is okay, but sometimes the two screens seem to get in the way of one another. There are a few scenes with condoms which are becoming more common.
When I recently visited the sign up page then closed the window, I received a $5 off offer if I joined now. That worked out at £17.44 for 30 days, which I accepted. When I went to cancel my subscription I received another cut price offer, which I was unable to accept as I currently don't have the time to download.
If this is the future of porn, with semi amateur girls, and semi professional shooting, done on a budget, I would be happy with that. I don't think it is, but what he is doing, with the niche, style of shooting, reality behind the scenes feel, lighting, camerawork, number of updates, price, and personalisation of site, works for him, and for me too as a customer. This is very close to how I would want to see reality porn with sexy looking amateur girls, I don't believe for one moment that is easy to do. Even the pros get it wrong more often than not, so hats off to ECG.
One thing to add - unfortunately Anal Euro is not currently part of the Team Skeet package, which is a real shame. Hopefully it will be added as a promotion sometime in the near future. If it is, I would rejoin this network.
This is a new site from Team Skeet. Only a few videos on here, but its existence along with Anal Euro, shows how Skeet are one of the few new networks who are growing, and evolving. Maybe it illustrates their move away from American tattoos and fake breasts towards the more natural European look. I could be wrong, and they were going to do this anyway, but a few on PU were commenting about the lack of euro and lack of anal. I hope this network continues to grow, and we see some more updates from them. I refuse to be jaded and unexcited about porn, when 20 years ago one year's subscription to a network like this would pay for one vhs video with about 25 minutes of action. Stop whingeing and start enjoying.
Yeah right - now my S.O. is a dear and without her life would not be the same, but..but...but...give it 20 years. 20 years of being told half of what you do, you're doing it wrong. 20 years of being asked by a non driver, "didn't you see that car, lorry, cyclist?" (yes I saw it) "because you nearly hit it." 20 years of being a clumsy idiot when I bump into something, but when she bumps into something, it's the layout of the place that's wrong. 20 years of being a clumsy idiot when I drop something but when she drops something, accidents will happen. 20 years of being told "you're going deaf" if I don't hear what she just said, but being told I'm not speaking clearly when she can't hear what I just said. Just saying...in fact forget 20 years, I'm giving you six months (if you're lucky, of bliss). Then welcome back to porn.
Well put Cybertoad, I'm agreeing with you 100 per cent, and I am trying to work out the TBP/PU reasoning.
I could be right in they were discussing closing PU, decided against, but had to do something quickly to cut costs. There was nothing in place to replace the raffle, and no time to think of a plan on what to do with PU, so now they have been working out what to do to with it. I think PU may become a very unimportant and unsupported wing of the organisation, with TBP and new sites being the main earners. I think it will probably close eventually.
No - but take a look the number of recent reviews and activity. I rarely put in a review that wasn't knocked off the front page within 24 hours. My most recent one (which I only did because they ended the raffle) is still there. Activity has dropped off dramatically. Things are so bad I may do another.
Absolutely right Monahan. In the past shady dealing porn suppliers made money out of ripping people off by not having what they claimed, then took the money and ran, or delivered absolute rubbish. This lot have great material and should in my opinion, be charging more for it. They certainly don't need to resort to dubious practices (or maybe they do). I dunno...strange very strange.
Thanks Graymane, yes we both know it takes some time and effort to create a decent review. I wasn't going to do a review for 21 Sextury becaue of the cross selling, and had decided I didn't have much time to do them anyway. Then the raffle ended, so I figured I'd do one to muck in and keep things going. Things are quieter here at the moment.
There are signs that maybe 21 Sextury is occasionally trying to get some build up in, but it's not something they excel in, the Jalace video on Pix And Video for example. Nice idea, but build up should feature more of the girl and less of the guy's face. Then after a little build up and oral there's a fadeout and straight into anal sex. Oh well, nice try.
Was a member approx. 2 months prior to this review.
Beautiful girls, professionally captured on video and photo, making them look at their best.
Girls look sexy and glossy, but natural enough, to not make them look jaded, old, tired, or professional.
Very high spec video and photo.
A good variety of download and streaming options, including zipped photos.
No DRM, download limits, or regional discrimination.
A massive amount of content, that is also exclusive.
New updates across the network, although some sites are no longer doing this.
Given the amount of content, quite good navigation. The home pages look inviting.
Not too much abuse of the models.
The best network for mass produced porn at a bargain price that looks sensational and expensive.
Sadly, pre checked cross selling means the network cannot be trusted.
Home pages slowed down my computer considerably using internet explorer.
Mass produced homogeneous look. Too many photos and videos look the same.
Little build up, stripping, or teasing.
Too many tattoos and fake breasts.
Not enough ethnic, weight, or age diversity. Some models are painfully thin.
Models appear in my opinion, far too many times across the network, and that has worsened recently.
Some sites have stopped updating.
Not great customer support.
There was a special $9.95 discount available for a while from PU/TBP, which created a dilemma and even a crisis of conscience. Although I never thought I would subscribe to a site that had pre checked cross selling, I could either steal from them using free download forums, or steal from them legitimately at $9.95, and at that price it certainly is stealing.
I had subscribed to 21 Sextury before, but had not renewed after I had decided not to subscribe to sites using pre checked cross selling. For once I decided to bite the bullet and subscribe for one month, being very careful to cancel early, as renewals were $29.95, a more expensive rate than the usual PU/TBP discount. I must have downloaded about 80gb, and that was a small percentage of new updates since my last time there. I am happy to steal legitimately for this one time.
I have heard members complain of lack of customer support. I had one incident where I was locked out. I contacted customer support and received an automated reply. I was automatically given a new password because the other one was supposedly cracked and being used. This isn't the first site where this has happened. I am getting a lot of this nowadays.
The member pages did seem to slow my computer down a lot. Staying on site meant downloads were slower on IE, so to get higher speeds I left the site, after which download speeds went up. I found it virtually impossible to stream at any time of the day.
To give you an idea of their quality here are some of the picture sizes across the network : 3744x5616 1.5-3mb in size, 3456x5184 around 2mb in size, 3840x5760 2-3mb in size, 2832x4256 1-2mb in size. Videos are 1920x1080 and around 8160 kbps.
The type of model is usually young, white, and slim, with the focus on her for the most part, and there is thankfully not too much abuse, either physically or verbally. The video action starts almost straight away, with no build up or tease, and although you have that mass produced thing where ten photos all look the same, at least you have some glorious shots of the girls, and not too much close up gynaeclogical stuff.
I agree with the view that there are too many samey looking updates, with the same models doing the same thing, from the same angle, in the same lighting, but video and picture dimensions are of very high quality, and it all looks astonishingly professional. Even though there is a large amount of anal and lesbian, there are plenty of other types of vanilla material. One complaint is they seem to be using the same girls many times across the network, possibly just to bump up the number of updates.
For me they are the one network that not only mass produces quality porn that looks sensational, but also gets the balance right between sleaze, eroticism, innocence, and hardcore action. If you could go back four years and show one of these videos or picture sets to a porn fan, they would hardly believe it. You would think the network would charge around $50 for material of this quality. They aren't, so you have to put up with the mass produced look and other negatives. In my opinion they do it better than any other network.
If they didn't have pre checked cross selling I would be a member all the time, and would have little reason to join other sites or download for free. I shouldn't be saying this because I hate them. I hate them because they produce great stuff, but their cross selling means they are not to be trusted.
It's one thing I didn't encounter on TCC this time around because capturing pics became such a waste of time and energy, I stopped downloading videos too. This is mainly because I like to have both video and photo sets. I downloaded relatively little this time. I gave up on the site because the time and effort wasn't worth it.
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