There are obvious advantages to the sites - they can pretend that the girl is new, if they change nationality then they might get a few members from that country if people think there are local girls on the site, they can try to maintain an air of exclusivity by having almost all unique names, and they can try to separate themselves from the girls' escort names. Given that so many european porn perfomers are really escorts who just do porn as a loss leader, I am surprised they put up wth it.
I really can't see any advantage to the girl in using a different name on some sites - they don't use their real names anyway.
I sometimes use the iPhone to look at the sites I'm a member of while I'm away, just to see what the latest updates are and to check on comments and occasionally reply. I never actually download the material though, far too small!
Well I'm afraid the self-justification simply raises a hollow laugh. I only have one experience of this site - when X-Art hired James Deen several members complained because of his violent material, so I downloaded a film to see for myself. I had no idea such repulsive violence existed. In addition to the slapping and spitting which I kind of expected, the girl was beaten repeatedly with a pool cue, swung around by her hair, punched, kicked in the face, they stamped on the back of her neck so hard I'm surprised they didn't break it, and half drowned. She ended up semi conscious. Sure, they chucked a bucket of water over her and she sat there blankly saying how wonderful it was afterwards - again, that's a legal loophole, that's all. Anyone who isn't provoked to a towering rage by such material is beyond me, and the very idea that someone could find it sexually arousing is utterly sickening. This was nothing to do with sex, it was just violence, brutality and hatred.
I guess we just have different views on the ways one human being should treat another.
The material on this site really is the worst of the worst. The little "interviews" are used by Kink to circumvent our already minimal restrictions on violence in porn and protections for the female performers. They are all that prevent the producers and male performers from being where they should be - behind bars. Viewers may rationalise (ie lie) to themselves that the interviews show that Kink are good guys but the reality is that they are taking advantage of the state of the porn business and paying the girls a minimal amount (what was paid 10 years ago for a single easy straight B/G scene) and making them agree to the most appalling abuse in order to scratch a living.
Anyone who isn't utterly repelled by this material really needs to take a long hard look into their soul. Sure, the r@pe part of it may be (just) a fantasy, but the violence, brutality, abuse, and shattering pain which the girls are suffering for your viewing pleasure are unfortunately very, very real.
Thanks. A thoughtful comment. However, all you are really doing is demonstrating the appalling way most porn is made - well, duh! I wouldn't go near any sites that I thought might behave like that. I don't have an obsession with anal at all, it just happens to be the subject here. I leave that to the pro-anal people, who go on sites posting over and over again on the subject. Even on SexArt, there are members who never post about anything else - you can see their posting record and it is page after page of demands for anal and comments on girls' anuses. Fortunately they have so far not got anywhere on SexArt so they tend to drift away. X-art has similar members, but there they have succeeded, are now in the majority, and the site has been wrecked. I do agree, though, that for me it is symbolic of the ugliness and abuse of modern porn.
Saying the girls all enjoy it is ridiculous, the percentage of women who enjoy anal in the real world compared to the percentage who supposedly enjoy it in porn makes those claims utterly untenable. In Petra you may have found one of the miniscule number who really do enjoy it, but when you get up to 5, 10 or 30%, let alone the 80%+ on most sites it just can't be believed. Sadly you are perpetuating the dangerous myth that it is easy and enjoyable. So yes, I do punish you, as your claims that the girls all enjoy doing anal aren't believable. You don't have a magical source of girls who all love anal, you just have models who have to do anal to earn a living. This subject came up on SexArt a while ago, and one of the members there put it much more concisely than I could. So, with compliments to "Blackhawk":
If you ask a model if she wants to do a scene with anal or without it, she will say "Without". If you ask her if she wants to do the scene, or not do it and not get paid while someone else does it and does get paid, she will say "Yes". "Something they're comfortable with and want to do" simply means "something they've done before".
I agree that is the real problem. We have absolutely no weight in the market. Over recent years porn has become so ugly and abusive that most people have cut back or simply stopped buying it - which is why the porn business is in such a financial mess. Unfortunately, rather than trying to reach out to wider markets of females, couples and well adjusted guys, it is easier to sink back into trying to squeeze a few more dollars out of the hardened porn addicts, a dumb move as those are exactly the people more likely to learn how to pirate material and they will always want more extreme sex. The performers end up having to do more and more painful, ugly and outright dangerous acts for less and less money as the business collapses. If you have any empathy at all, the vast majority of porn is absolutely sickening. Obviously Joymii isn't that extreme (yet), but it will get worse, bitter experience shows that.
Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. When I checked on ccbill, I'd misremembered the remaining subscription, there are a few weeks left but I don't think we'll keep visiting.
We had the bad experience with X-Art, where they started off doing an anal scene every few months and stating that they would only do anal with girls who did it in their private lives. They are now about 30% anal, doing DPs and god knows what, and have members endlessly demanding even more and viciously insulting anyone who doesn't like it. We kept hanging on but it just got worse and worse. Why would we think Joymii will be any different? You've already gone from one odd scene to consecutive anal scenes this week, it is obvious where you are heading. I'm afraid you're getting a shorter leash than we gave X-art.
I recently saw a program about old porn, where they interviewed a model (not a porn performer) who liked watching it, and she loved watching anal. The interviewer asked her if she liked doing anal herself, and she answered "Hell no, but when I'm watching porn I want to see girls asses getting ripped". Mysoginy isn't limited to men.
There is no way I am going to sit down with my wife to watch something that is really about hating her, and I'm not going to give my hard earned dollars to people who will make that kind of material. Even if I don't watch it, it has still been made. If we can't buy porn without contributing to pain and injuries, then we won't buy it. We don't watch a lot, and we have enough collected to watch for years without repeating, so we don't really need any more - SexArt will do us.
Try talking to a few... I didn't actually say all women hate anal, that would be ridiculous. A tiny percentage can enjoy it, and a few more can withstand it when pressured into it ("if you really loved me you would...") - but seriously, 80+% of BG porn is anal, do you really think that when maybe 2 or 3% in the real world can do it, 80% of porn girls want to?
My wife's kid sister did some porn a few years ago, the typical porn career of one trip out to LA. She hadn't planned on telling the family, but the injuries she received meant in the end she had to, so we know about how the girls are bullied and pressured into it, and about the injections and drugs they take to get through it. If you have any empathetic intelligence at all, you will see most of the time in an anal scene that you are watching a girl in pain or distress - obviously most porn is made by and for men who don't notice or don't care. Sure, at the top of the market they can do it a bit nicer, but it is still essentially the same act.
The single most requested by stupid males who have got their sex ed by watching porn, and the single most hated act by females. That's why you had to give that apologist BS about it being a "gift" from a woman to her partner - if she got anything from it it wouldn't have to be a "gift", would it?
You've made you choice, and like x-art have decided that the mysoginist male market is bigger than the couple/female market. There are a vanishingly small number of sites where is it possible for us to find good erotica without this particular unpleasant fetish, and there is now one less. We can live with it.
I'm afraid they've gone too far for us - successive scenes with anal is just too much. We've cancelled membership. A real shame, this was a nice site, but they've obviously decided to change their target audience, and we're not part of it.
I'm not saying either of you are mistreating models, but you are getting them pre-mistreated by the likes of Woodman. My favorite all time model is the one you call Lara (there you go using different names again!), and I found a shocking Woodman scene with her where she was simply anally assaulted and clearly shuddering and screaming in pain throughout the whole thing. The scene lacked all humanity or empathy, and really would only appeal to the absolute sickest. I then found her thread on his blog, where he repeatedly insulted her because she had demanded so much money to work with him again - his members suggested hiring "Mandingo" (I can guess...) for a straight scene with her, and then have him "totally destroy her ass" and "finish her off for good" - the suggestion was popular, which sums up the views of those who want to see anal porn.
You have obviously thought about it, and decided that you will gain more members than you will lose by including anal, and in the short term you are undoubtedly right. However, you then have to keep those members, and they won't be satisfied with the odd gentle anal scene, they want more and more. You end up losing more original members. This isn't imagination - it's what heppened on X-art and I hope it doesn't happen to joymii.
Wow quick response - you must be monitoring this place closely!
I have no problem with the 720, I mentioned it as other people do care. I hadn't noticed that the older stuff was all available at 1080 now. I stand corrected.
The ethnicity issue seems to be the case for all the glamcore sites. You should look at JAV porn, it is weird stuff but they have stunning Japanese models, whether they'd be prepared to work for a western company for cultural reasons I don't know.
Anal is a big issue for us, and I'd really rather you didn't go there. Girls are pressured into it and are often seriously hurt or injured, we have real personal experience of it. I'm sure you would never do it like that, but once you start out doing some, even if it is just with a real couple who really do it, it is hard to stop. Look at X-Art - they used to do an anal scene once every 3 months or so, and promised that they only used girls how really liked it and asked to do it, now about 1/3 of their BG scenes are anal. It is hard to believe the girls really enjoy it when, as you say, you can see them ass fucked to oblivion on other sites and you know they have only done that because they are desperate for the work.
Current Member for over 3 months (at the time of review).
12-25-1309:41am (Update History) Reason: Increasing amount of anal material on the site
- Very attractive models
- The site corporate style with brightly colored videos is refreshing
- Stunningly beautiful films, the "joy" in the title is well chosen
- All exclusive content, I think.
- Very quick and reliable downloads, always maxes out my internet connection (around 2 MBytes/sec).
- Multiple sizes and resolutions of photos & videos, although I only ever download the highest. Recent videos are true HD.
- Earlier material had highest video resolution of 720p, but very good quality. EDIT - see below, all available at 1080 now.
- Little variety of models - almost all white, slim, 18 - 25.
- I was going to say that so far Joymii has held the line against including ugly mysoginistic male-oriented material like anal. Sadly, they have just cracked, and are increasing the amount
- As someone else said, the photos don't quite match up
- Well known models, but all seem to be under different names which is irritating
Joymii is another very good, genuine glamcore/heartcore site. They update pretty much every other day, not quite alternative photo sets & videos, but more or less. Most videos have accompanying photo sets. It features a mixture of BG, GG and solo material, a fairly even mix these days, all shot with the same bright sunny style.
It doesn't have quite the artistic quality and variety of, say, SexArt, but within its limitations, the films are beautiful to watch. There is some fairly wild sex, but it is all bright and happy looking. My wife generally prefers the BG films here to those on SexArt, this site was her favourite. It is simply reliably very good, with very few duds - I kind of prefer the riskier peaks & troughs of SexArt, but I liked both. We had planned on renewing, but have decided to cancel due to the inceasing amount of anal on the site. These sites need to understand that while anal, dp and similar gross-out stuff might appeal to men on their own, it is a HUGE turnoff for most women, and therefore to most couples. Having much of it will drive the site straight down to mainstream porn, it seems really silly of these sites to rob themselves of their USP.
Definitely. I am a fan of overly-stylized artsy-daftness, and it is well beyond that. Ninn clearly has delusions of being some kind of "artiste". I've just seen a message he posted on a SexArt update a few days ago where he really insulted the members while going on about his "artistic vision" - not a smart move when you consider who has just bailed him out!
Current Member for over 3 months (at the time of review).
- Very large archive of files going back to 2004, although there are a lot of gaps.
- Very quick and reliable downloads, always maxes out my internet connection (around 2 MBytes/sec).
- Films are very well made and very stylish.
- Plenty of diversity in the models.
- Mostly exclusive content, but some has logos of other sites like Marc Dorcel.
- Multiple sizes and resolutions of photos & videos, although I only ever download the highest available for any update
- Streaming available, again I haven't tried it..
- A lot of the earlier material is very low definition, as low as 360p. Low bitrate makes it unwatchable on a large screen.
- The website is poorly laid out. New updates aren't clearly dated and the names on the updates are very inconsistant.
- The cross-site advertising is a pain.
- Many of the photo sets don't have zip files.
- Many photo sets are of very poor quality. Many are out of focus, poorly lit, and low definition.
- There seems to be a lot of duplicated material with different names.
- I'm not really sure if there is any actual new material. After joining I noticed that Met had actually announced buying the Ninn archives, rather than the Ninn site, so it is possible that they are just re-releasing old material at higher definition.
- Although it is possible to vote & comment, there are very few votes and almost no comments, so there is no feel of any community.
- There are quite a few dead links and empty tabs in the updates. For example the 2006 tab is empty.
Michael Ninn is mainly very stylized and fetishistic material, some of which is genuinely artistic. Films and associated photo sets are released together at varying frequencies.
I joined this site as a special offer when joining SexArt. It gave an option of a very cheap membership within one hour of joining SexArt. I did a quick look around, and thought this site might be interesting. Unfortunately I had only seen some Solo Erotica and Innocence material, I had missed the abusive stuff. I'm afraid it isn't really my thing - I am very aware of the nasty abusive side of modern porn, which is why I despise so much of it, and a lot of the material on this site is exactly the kind of stuff I don't want to see. Much of the material isn't just fetishist, it is very nasty, aggressive and often looks very violent. The girls frequently seem to be in extreme discomfort, if not pain. There is a huge amount of slapping, humiliation and abuse. The BG material is pretty much 100% anal, and often shockingly brutal. Having said that, the films are well made and very imaginative and must have a high budget for porn, and I have found maybe 10% of the films which I can enjoy. The photo sets are mostly a waste of time.
I'm not sure how this site is meant to fit in with the other Met Art sites which, except for the mysterious Magiksex, all seem to be done with great respect to the performers. To be honest,the presence of this kind of material made me question continuing with any sites on the Met Art network. They need to be a bit careful at least with the cross site advertising if their network is going to include material like this.
It seems that the material is old, and with no comments or interaction and a somewhat uneven release schedule the whole thing has an air of a neglected backwater. It really is material for the most hardened porn consumer, certainly not for couples, and my wife and I found a lot of it sickening. I won't be renewing the membership.
Sooner or later all these sites give up on the quality and beauty - it's just too much hard work when the majority of porn consumers only want to see brutality. Fortunately SexArt hasn't dropped its standards yet. I hope you like it!
Maybe it is just personal taste. My tv is HD, but I'm not sitting at a desk two feet from it! I would say that, apart from some comments about color balance, I have never seen any complaints from users on SexArt about the technical quality of the films, but I have seen a lot of complaints on x-art - to such an extent that they had to try to recode some recent films.
Interesting comments about bitrates and video quality on both this site and x-art. I don't know about the technicalities, but I watch these films on a 42" tv and have no problems at all with SexArt films, they look great with the barest hint of pixellation sometimes on dissolve edits. They are up there with joymii for quality and far better than x-art.
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