Sooner or later all these sites give up on the quality and beauty - it's just too much hard work when the majority of porn consumers only want to see brutality. Fortunately SexArt hasn't dropped its standards yet. I hope you like it!
Well I'm afraid the self-justification simply raises a hollow laugh. I only have one experience of this site - when X-Art hired James Deen several members complained because of his violent material, so I downloaded a film to see for myself. I had no idea such repulsive violence existed. In addition to the slapping and spitting which I kind of expected, the girl was beaten repeatedly with a pool cue, swung around by her hair, punched, kicked in the face, they stamped on the back of her neck so hard I'm surprised they didn't break it, and half drowned. She ended up semi conscious. Sure, they chucked a bucket of water over her and she sat there blankly saying how wonderful it was afterwards - again, that's a legal loophole, that's all. Anyone who isn't provoked to a towering rage by such material is beyond me, and the very idea that someone could find it sexually arousing is utterly sickening. This was nothing to do with sex, it was just violence, brutality and hatred.
I guess we just have different views on the ways one human being should treat another.
The material on this site really is the worst of the worst. The little "interviews" are used by Kink to circumvent our already minimal restrictions on violence in porn and protections for the female performers. They are all that prevent the producers and male performers from being where they should be - behind bars. Viewers may rationalise (ie lie) to themselves that the interviews show that Kink are good guys but the reality is that they are taking advantage of the state of the porn business and paying the girls a minimal amount (what was paid 10 years ago for a single easy straight B/G scene) and making them agree to the most appalling abuse in order to scratch a living.
Anyone who isn't utterly repelled by this material really needs to take a long hard look into their soul. Sure, the r@pe part of it may be (just) a fantasy, but the violence, brutality, abuse, and shattering pain which the girls are suffering for your viewing pleasure are unfortunately very, very real.
There are obvious advantages to the sites - they can pretend that the girl is new, if they change nationality then they might get a few members from that country if people think there are local girls on the site, they can try to maintain an air of exclusivity by having almost all unique names, and they can try to separate themselves from the girls' escort names. Given that so many european porn perfomers are really escorts who just do porn as a loss leader, I am surprised they put up wth it.
I really can't see any advantage to the girl in using a different name on some sites - they don't use their real names anyway.
Thanks. A thoughtful comment. However, all you are really doing is demonstrating the appalling way most porn is made - well, duh! I wouldn't go near any sites that I thought might behave like that. I don't have an obsession with anal at all, it just happens to be the subject here. I leave that to the pro-anal people, who go on sites posting over and over again on the subject. Even on SexArt, there are members who never post about anything else - you can see their posting record and it is page after page of demands for anal and comments on girls' anuses. Fortunately they have so far not got anywhere on SexArt so they tend to drift away. X-art has similar members, but there they have succeeded, are now in the majority, and the site has been wrecked. I do agree, though, that for me it is symbolic of the ugliness and abuse of modern porn.
Saying the girls all enjoy it is ridiculous, the percentage of women who enjoy anal in the real world compared to the percentage who supposedly enjoy it in porn makes those claims utterly untenable. In Petra you may have found one of the miniscule number who really do enjoy it, but when you get up to 5, 10 or 30%, let alone the 80%+ on most sites it just can't be believed. Sadly you are perpetuating the dangerous myth that it is easy and enjoyable. So yes, I do punish you, as your claims that the girls all enjoy doing anal aren't believable. You don't have a magical source of girls who all love anal, you just have models who have to do anal to earn a living. This subject came up on SexArt a while ago, and one of the members there put it much more concisely than I could. So, with compliments to "Blackhawk":
If you ask a model if she wants to do a scene with anal or without it, she will say "Without". If you ask her if she wants to do the scene, or not do it and not get paid while someone else does it and does get paid, she will say "Yes". "Something they're comfortable with and want to do" simply means "something they've done before".
I agree that is the real problem. We have absolutely no weight in the market. Over recent years porn has become so ugly and abusive that most people have cut back or simply stopped buying it - which is why the porn business is in such a financial mess. Unfortunately, rather than trying to reach out to wider markets of females, couples and well adjusted guys, it is easier to sink back into trying to squeeze a few more dollars out of the hardened porn addicts, a dumb move as those are exactly the people more likely to learn how to pirate material and they will always want more extreme sex. The performers end up having to do more and more painful, ugly and outright dangerous acts for less and less money as the business collapses. If you have any empathy at all, the vast majority of porn is absolutely sickening. Obviously Joymii isn't that extreme (yet), but it will get worse, bitter experience shows that.
Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. When I checked on ccbill, I'd misremembered the remaining subscription, there are a few weeks left but I don't think we'll keep visiting.
We had the bad experience with X-Art, where they started off doing an anal scene every few months and stating that they would only do anal with girls who did it in their private lives. They are now about 30% anal, doing DPs and god knows what, and have members endlessly demanding even more and viciously insulting anyone who doesn't like it. We kept hanging on but it just got worse and worse. Why would we think Joymii will be any different? You've already gone from one odd scene to consecutive anal scenes this week, it is obvious where you are heading. I'm afraid you're getting a shorter leash than we gave X-art.
I recently saw a program about old porn, where they interviewed a model (not a porn performer) who liked watching it, and she loved watching anal. The interviewer asked her if she liked doing anal herself, and she answered "Hell no, but when I'm watching porn I want to see girls asses getting ripped". Mysoginy isn't limited to men.
There is no way I am going to sit down with my wife to watch something that is really about hating her, and I'm not going to give my hard earned dollars to people who will make that kind of material. Even if I don't watch it, it has still been made. If we can't buy porn without contributing to pain and injuries, then we won't buy it. We don't watch a lot, and we have enough collected to watch for years without repeating, so we don't really need any more - SexArt will do us.
Try talking to a few... I didn't actually say all women hate anal, that would be ridiculous. A tiny percentage can enjoy it, and a few more can withstand it when pressured into it ("if you really loved me you would...") - but seriously, 80+% of BG porn is anal, do you really think that when maybe 2 or 3% in the real world can do it, 80% of porn girls want to?
My wife's kid sister did some porn a few years ago, the typical porn career of one trip out to LA. She hadn't planned on telling the family, but the injuries she received meant in the end she had to, so we know about how the girls are bullied and pressured into it, and about the injections and drugs they take to get through it. If you have any empathetic intelligence at all, you will see most of the time in an anal scene that you are watching a girl in pain or distress - obviously most porn is made by and for men who don't notice or don't care. Sure, at the top of the market they can do it a bit nicer, but it is still essentially the same act.
The single most requested by stupid males who have got their sex ed by watching porn, and the single most hated act by females. That's why you had to give that apologist BS about it being a "gift" from a woman to her partner - if she got anything from it it wouldn't have to be a "gift", would it?
You've made you choice, and like x-art have decided that the mysoginist male market is bigger than the couple/female market. There are a vanishingly small number of sites where is it possible for us to find good erotica without this particular unpleasant fetish, and there is now one less. We can live with it.
I'm afraid they've gone too far for us - successive scenes with anal is just too much. We've cancelled membership. A real shame, this was a nice site, but they've obviously decided to change their target audience, and we're not part of it.
Maybe it is just personal taste. My tv is HD, but I'm not sitting at a desk two feet from it! I would say that, apart from some comments about color balance, I have never seen any complaints from users on SexArt about the technical quality of the films, but I have seen a lot of complaints on x-art - to such an extent that they had to try to recode some recent films.
Interesting comments about bitrates and video quality on both this site and x-art. I don't know about the technicalities, but I watch these films on a 42" tv and have no problems at all with SexArt films, they look great with the barest hint of pixellation sometimes on dissolve edits. They are up there with joymii for quality and far better than x-art.
I sometimes use the iPhone to look at the sites I'm a member of while I'm away, just to see what the latest updates are and to check on comments and occasionally reply. I never actually download the material though, far too small!
If you read my review from a few weeks ago (which was critical but by no means wholly negative), you will see that there are concerns with the quality of a lot of your recent videos, this comment was just concerning two examples of the last films I saw before leaving. It is silly of you to suggest that there was only a rendering issue with one film, you know perfectly well that there were several that were so bad you had to try to re-render them, with a small improvement in quality but big drop in resolution - the complaints from the users are there on the site, or at least they were when I was last on there. There have been a lot of other recent films which have attracted sporadic complaints, and pretty much all the Prague produced content is technically very poor.
I was a member for two years (actually, two separate year memberships with a break). Over the last year the site has changed out of all recognition both in quality and type, and is simply no longer the kind of material I can enjoy with my wife. By the way, Good Night Kiss is yet another anal film, which is exactly the kind of thing she (and I) really don't want to watch - is that the best you can do as a recommendation these days?
Anyway, thanks for replying. You say you try hard, I think you are trying for high volume, nasty, mainstream material rather than the artistic quality you used to aim for when you made 3 or 4 updates per week and just had one site. We want "glamcore", and I'm afraid you're not that anymore.
Following my recent review, my subscription ends in a few days and this is my last time home, so I've just downloaded the last material I will get from here....
We kept a film with my favourite model Susie (Dido elsewhere) to watch at the end... what a shocker. It was a washed-out, blocky, pixelated mess - I can't believe anything this technically poor was put on a professional site, effectively unwatchable. As I said in my review, clearly no-one is bothering to check on the quality of the material any more.
I also quickly looked at another film - it was a DP scene with James Deen, so it had a pretty high uggh factor to start with but it did have a sort of creepy fascination. The girl was a scraggy little thing with buck teeth, an average little porn girl and a long way short of the standard x-art used to have. It was just shot from the middle distance with no style, and the end was careless - a guy came on her face, a quick clunk edit to a shot of her with obvious fake cum for 2 seconds and clunk, the film stopped. No time or care taken at all.
These two films sum up why I am out of this site... It really isn't glamcore any more.
Definitely. I am a fan of overly-stylized artsy-daftness, and it is well beyond that. Ninn clearly has delusions of being some kind of "artiste". I've just seen a message he posted on a SexArt update a few days ago where he really insulted the members while going on about his "artistic vision" - not a smart move when you consider who has just bailed him out!
I'm not saying either of you are mistreating models, but you are getting them pre-mistreated by the likes of Woodman. My favorite all time model is the one you call Lara (there you go using different names again!), and I found a shocking Woodman scene with her where she was simply anally assaulted and clearly shuddering and screaming in pain throughout the whole thing. The scene lacked all humanity or empathy, and really would only appeal to the absolute sickest. I then found her thread on his blog, where he repeatedly insulted her because she had demanded so much money to work with him again - his members suggested hiring "Mandingo" (I can guess...) for a straight scene with her, and then have him "totally destroy her ass" and "finish her off for good" - the suggestion was popular, which sums up the views of those who want to see anal porn.
You have obviously thought about it, and decided that you will gain more members than you will lose by including anal, and in the short term you are undoubtedly right. However, you then have to keep those members, and they won't be satisfied with the odd gentle anal scene, they want more and more. You end up losing more original members. This isn't imagination - it's what heppened on X-art and I hope it doesn't happen to joymii.
Current Member for over 1 year (at the time of review).
- All attractive models, mostly well known, although many are now mainstream porn performers without quite the same class.
- Usually avoid models with bad piercings and tattoos, when they do use tattooed models they do a pretty good job of hiding them.
- As far as I can tell, there are no models with breast enhancements.
- Good archive of some of the most beautiful photography I've ever seen.
- Site doesn't seem to time out. When I first joined I stayed logged in for several days while downloading the old material.
- Easy navigation and basic search facilities. All updates are clearly dated.
- Big clear thumbnails on updates & model pages.
- Very active member community, with lots of comments.
- Multiple sizes and resolutions of photos & videos, up to 1080p, although I only ever download the highest.
- Streaming available.
- No logos on films, very small logos on photos.
- All content seems to be exclusive.
- Plenty of material, around 400 films and rather more photo sets.
- Very slow and unreliable downloads.
- Little variety of models - almost all white, slim, 18 - 25.
- Model bios are a joke, even more so than most sites.
- There has recently been a huge increase in the volume of material, and a great drop in quality control.
- Some photo sets still very good, but an increasing number of out of focus & poorly lit sets.
- The voting is blatantly fiddled, with all updates being posted with large numbers of 10/10 votes
- Comments are pre-moderated, and while they allow through some mild criticism there is much more leeway given to those who follow the party line.
- Over the last year the material has become much more sexually extreme.
Don't get me wrong, X-Art was good, but there are now serious issues.
It is odd to find a major site as slow and unreliable as this. I never get much more than 200 KBytes/sec (every other site I am on maxes out my internet connection at 2 MBytes/sec), and it often takes several attempts to download. I travel a lot and am home briefly, and often don't manage to download the backlog. There are several films I never have got downloaded - this is using 3 different pcs, 3 different browsers, and several internet connections - I've even tried in hotels (which I don't like doing) with no improvement.
The technical and artistic quality of the films has dropped a lot recently. It has gotten so bad that there are a lot of complaints on the site, but in reality it has been dropping for several months. This isn't just about the bunch of films released that are supposedly HQ but are very pixelated and really very low quality, in general the quality has dropped. Obviously no-one looked at the films before uploading them. There have been several films released with terrible lighting problems, including one that was completely unwatchable due to purple lens flares across the entire image. The film editing has become very basic, and many films don't even end smoothly with a fade to a "the end" screen, the film just stops suddenly 1 second after the action finishes. Clearly much less time is being spent in post-production and no checking is being done at all.
It seems strange that site blog keeps boasting of how quickly they are producing material. They say that large numbers of films & photo shoots are being done in a day, clearly with little preparation. Almost all the updates are produced in one house in Malibu, or one studio in Prague. The same sets are being used over and over, and the updates are clearly being filmed in a few minutes with minimal attention to detail. There is no longer any scene setting, they just put people in front of the camera and make them get on with it. Many films just have one camera from the side doing a longshot, and one from in front doing a close up, and all they do is cut between the two.
The voting is a joke. Many sites pump up the votes a bit, but this site is ridiculous. Updates appear around midnight, and have between 30 and 100 10/10 votes. They give more 10/10 votes to the more extreme material which is what they prefer. It means that the site, rather than the membership, is choosing what is more popular. It also makes the older material, when they didn't do this, seem poorly rated. Members can make up a new name whenever they comment, and I get the feeling that some people are having conversations with themselves, or putting up multiple positive comments for the material they like. There are a suspiciously large number of comments with female names which never appear again, especially on the nastier material. The moderation of the comments is uneven, and it is noticeable, for example, that comments insulting members who don't like anal are allowed through while responses aren't. The pre-moderation and blocking of anything that mentions other sites in a positive light is comical, as Colette recently went onto SexArt to take advantage of their lack of pre-moderation to advertise and try to poach members - when she got a negative response she became very aggressive and made wild allegations. Eventually SexArt, who are very tolerant in their comments, had to remove most of the thread.
The material has become much more sexually extreme, and a significant portion of the recent updates are clearly aimed at the mysoginistic male mainstream porn market. There is a lot of anal now, several DPs and rough looking facials, and the blog shows that this is clearly the direction the site wish to go. A lot of the current material just looks harsh and aggressive and like mainstream porn. Material like this used to attract negative comments, it doesn't any more apart from a couple of sad sounding members. Either the comments are blocked or the old members from the artistic days of a few years ago have left.
X-Art was the benchmark glamcore site. Over the last year or so it has left this behind, and is now marginally upmarket mainstream porn. I say marginally because good mainstream sites wouldn't put up the technically poor films that have been posted recently. If you are coming from regular porn, looking for something that seems a little classy, you may well like it. If you're coming from erotica, and fancy something a little more explicit, or have seen some magazine articles or adverts and are considering porn/glamcore for the first time, SexArt or Joymii would be much more likely to suit. I find little artistic or erotic on here now, and my wife will only watch films if I have checked them out first. My annual membership is coming to an end (it's my second time on the site), and I won't be renewing.
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