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04-21-14  05:12pm - 1 day Oxygen Retreat (7 Posts) - #6
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I stand by original post of 4 years ago but add this observation: I sort of wonder how many of the women that cater to these places are trafficked there. I make no implications regarding this particular place but most of these 'gentlemen's resorts' use foreign sex workers so I think it's a legitimate issue. I got no answers but I think it's a question to ask yourself if you ever consider going on one of these vacations.

04-21-14  05:05pm - 1 day WHAT TO DO WHEN SITES NOT WORKING! (8 Posts) - #7
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Here's my fabulous :

As others have suggested, first try using a different browser and trying to download at various times of day. A lot of sites don't keep up with browser upgrades and they can slow to a crawl during peak traffic times.

Second, if you've only been a member for a few days to a week then I'd try the billing processor to see if they can refund your money on the grounds that the site doesn't work. This is usually a long shot but you never know.

Assuming you've been trying to contact the website via email I'd keep trying once a day for a week or so making clear in the email message line that the site isn't working. Chances are that if they don't respond to that email or get the site working again then they just don't care. If it's a small or niche site then you might try emailing them again in a month or two to let them know what happened and to see if you'll reimburse or renew your membership at no cost (again, a long shot).

Lastly, post a comment about the site here at PU (at other review sites too if you want) letting users know that things ain't working and this particular site may be turning into a scam.

I know that when it comes to smaller sites that are run by a single person that life events can sometimes lead them to neglect what is going on. However, to let it get to the point that you can't access what you paid for is too much in my book. "Bidness be bidness" and if you can't deliver or make arrangements to have someone cover for you then you're going to catch flack for it so let them have it.

04-11-14  12:17pm - 12 days What to do about the Heartbleed Virus? (5 Posts) - Original Post - #1
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What to do about the Heartbleed Virus?

Somewhat surprised that this hasn't been posted on yet so I thought I'd chime in.

In case you've been living under a rock you probably know about the Heartbleed virus: the hidden trapdoor that can allow hackers to exploit a supposedly secure ssl site (this is the setting that sites go to when, say, you enter the billing information section). In other words, Heartbleed will cause you considerable heartburn if you get nabbed by it.

The conventional protocol seems to indicate that we're supposed to change our passwords to all sensitive sites (aka - sites that contain billing or financial information) and to avoid at all costs using duplicate log in names / passwords on these sites.

When it comes to porn, I've pretty much decided that at least for the next few weeks I'm staying away from pay porn. While the major billing sites like ccbill seem to be safe (here's a site that can verify if a site is exposed to the heartbleed virus) this doesn't necessarily mean that the actual porn site where you record your password info is safe. My reasoning for staying away is that you can often contact a billing processor using you your password / log in info so I'd just rather avoid any potential headaches in the short term.

Since this is considered to be a major internet security flaw I would expect that the big web players will have patches up and working in the next week or two and that most self respecting webmasters will fix their sites shortly thereafter.

This whole pile of crap makes me think I should start using a password management site in order to track all of the passwords I already have ... and have written down and cleverly hidden in plain view right underneath my laptop. Anyone have any experience with a password management site?

Also, webmasters who use this site might want to post a comment stating that their site is free from the Heartbleed if they want my business soon.

04-11-14  11:59am - 12 days Name recognition in porn (13 Posts) - #3
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Probably true but most of these people, if they don't know porn, probably don't make it past the first page or two of a google search for "porn". It's only once you get tired of the endless searching and mediocre quality on tube sites and start looking into pay porn that the top of the heap start to emerge and rather quickly. Since most people aren't into paying for porn I'd say that porn name recognition doesn't really matter much to the general public and companies like DDF are better off spend their advertising bucks at a more select demographic.

04-01-14  10:44am - 22 days Trade your Unused Gift Cards for a DDF Network account (8 Posts) - #3
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Mmmmm. X-mas gift cards are now really "X"-mas gift cards. Actually this is a pretty cool concept.

03-28-14  01:19pm - 26 days Why so few female members here? (37 Posts) - #36
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I saw this article yesterday that talks about the difficulty porn stars have in keeping their private lives private. Although not directly on point, I think there are definitely some overlaps as to why we don't see so many women posting here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/porn-stars-privacy_n_5023168.html

03-23-14  01:06pm - 31 days Shortlist of warning signs for bad sites? (9 Posts) - #6
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Dubious site warning signs:

1. Very few or no previews.
2. Unknown billing company or billing processors from Cyprus or Eastern Europe.
3. Little to no feedback here at PU and limited reviews from other sites.
4. Bad grammar (I'm not being picky here, just a sign that someone tossed the site together quickly or on the cheap).
5. No signs of any customer support / help or they take you to the join page.

03-22-14  11:45am - 32 days What is your system ? (25 Posts) - #12
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1. Windows 7, 64 bit
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3. IE 9 only rarely
4. Nope

03-16-14  02:26pm - 37 days "Your porn is not Canadian enough" (15 Posts) - #6
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I ask, where would the world be without these classic Cannuck porn vids: "The Dark End of Whitehorse", "The BBW of Blubber Bay", "Who's Pole at the North Pole?", "My Big Beaver in Big Beaver", "Sluts Who Live in Smuts", "Blow Me at Blow Me Down" and the high school sex ed film "Conception Bay". Then again, all this potential Canadian smut just makes me want to Blame Canada in general

03-13-14  12:52pm - 41 days Chapter one: The calm before the storm. And this is not about the weather (25 Posts) - #2
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Wow. Sorry to hear that things are sliding to the "not so good" side for you (understatement of the moment). I generally don't like to hear about ambivalence from people in medically troubling situations because that indicates a lack of hope / lack of positive attitude which is probably the best medicine out there but I'm not going to badger you about that since I'm not in your position. In any event, I hope to see your postings for a long time to come ... besides, think of all of the porn updates you'd be missing.

02-23-14  03:15pm - 58 days The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change (37 Posts) - #36
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Last time I crank up this post. First, I just wanted to personally thank Comcrap for jacking up my bill by another $2 a month for nothing new other than the privilege of being forced to use them.

Second, apparently pay for play has already started. Comcrap and Netflix just cut a deal where Netflix gets funneled directly into the Comcrap system (no third party hosting / connections) so that Netflix can deliver faster connection speeds. This deal probably has been in the works a while and really doesn't have much to do with the recent legal rulings, I think it's just that in order for Netflix to keep growing they had to reduce buffering times and increase quality which is what this deal does for Netflix. However, I assume that Netflix is paying Comcrap for this privilege which leads me back to my first point ... thanks Comcrap for raising my rates for nothing.

Third, net neutrality is not altogether dead. Apparently the FCC (the government body responsible for putting us in this mess) has decided to go back and rewrite the rules to classify the internet as a communications business (duh) which will ultimately result in net neutrality probably becoming the law of the land again ... in a few years ... assuming the lobbyists don't entirely hijack the process ... so I guess that means we can't assume anything.

Lastly, it seems to me the biggest problem we in the U.S. have is the concept of who owns your cable lines. In Europe, a company can lay the cable line to your house but they don't have a monopoly over the line, the home owner can subscribe to different services. In the US, the cable company owns the line and can deny other providers use of that line. In effect, this limits competition and creates situations like mine where if I want high speed I only have one option. I'm changing my tune a bit and I now think this legal lack of competition is the number one driving force behind the high costs here in the states and the biggest threat overall to the future of open internet.

02-15-14  03:57pm - 66 days Anyone remember the first days of their internet porn usage? (28 Posts) - #21
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I think I found the internet in about '98 back when AOL rocked the house and a 56k modem was high speed. Of course it didn't take long after that to find the naked bits on it either.

I joined a few sites that I'm sure are long since gone. Vids were super choppy and maybe only a few minutes long ... and waiting for them to load was like a Heinz ketchup commercial. The pics were maybe a few hundred pixels and pretty crappy. The thing I remember most was that the sites just threw a bunch of stuff out there. Boy / girl, solo, beastiality, whatever they could get their hands on to put up on a site that looked like porn. It definitely was the wild west back then.

01-22-14  07:45pm - 90 days The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change (37 Posts) - #35
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I don't see it as bad as LPee does mostly because there is another option out there: what is the customer willing to pay. Most ISP's will probably partner up with the likes of Google, Facebook, etc. and everyone will have universal access. However, a lot of people still need to get around the web and dig into stuff beyond the Greatest Hits. I think ISP's will offer tiered pricing where they can cheap access in exchange for ads and whatever access deals the ISP's negotiate and then they'll have the "rip off" tier where you have to pay more to get unfettered access like you have today.

Yes, tube sites will suffer (frankly, will we really mind if a million or two of those disappear) and some small websites will go away too (mostly the ones offering the same stuff as everyone else but also some unique amateur sites will get hit too).

In the long term, things will even out as the web expands and technology grows but it's going to be what happens in the next decade that probably have the most impact.

01-22-14  12:37pm - 91 days If iTunes offered porn... (29 Posts) - #2
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Depends on if you want to be a follower or a leader and how you view the industry. If you're going to be a follower than it seems pretty simple to adopt the I-Tunes model of $1 per download (assuming good quality HD).

If you want to be a leader that involves more risk since you don't have the resources to accurately gauge your potential market. Would people pay $2 per download? For us PU'ers that probably seems expensive given that we know we can rip a whole site for about $20. However, for the casual porn viewer is really $2 unrealistic if there are convenient tags and search options? My guess, which is only a guess, is that people will stick with the crappy tube sites unless you're at the $1 per download or less (of course cheaper is better).

My view of the industry is that porn is pretty much a commodity and those who really follow specific porn stars are in the definite minority. Your question then becomes which market do you want to tap. If you're just selling wares from the major porn studios then you don't really have much input in terms of what they are willing to sell you. In that case, you're probably going to have to go cheaper to get the masses to buy in. If you want the new site to be a place where individuals can market their wares (maybe a separate channel) then you can charge more for having the niche market.

The biggest problem I see with such a channel is tagging consistency. I've never seen a larger site that had consistent tagging because they had too many tags or too few and/or too many people doing the the tagging. I don't mess around much with I-Tunes but I suspect that the face the same complaints so maybe I'm over estimating this issue.

Lastly, in order to get people to buy you're also going to have make sure that you can promise that their video will be around for freaking ever. Don't be like Kindle where the user wakes up on day and suddenly finds that their book is gone because of some licensing issue. This means you have to host the videos on your own servers and not rely on individual websites to stick around. Not so much a big deal any more but just a note.

01-17-14  12:10pm - 96 days Is anyone using Windows 8? (29 Posts) - #13
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I figure everyone by now knows the Microcrap Rule: Only every other operating system works well. Windows 95 was great / Windows 98 only so-so - XP was awesome / Vista, well we know how that turned out - Windows 7 (which I use) works well / Windows 8 .... you know the rest.

I also don't really understand why HP does all this crap to their computers. I also got an HP laptop and it came loaded with a bunch of worthless programs that just generated popups and demands for updates. If you're completely clueless about computers this software might have some value but if you're just trying to get stuff done with real software then it's pointless. Like Exotics I just deleted the HP stuff or permanently shut it down and made my life easier.

01-14-14  12:01pm - 99 days The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change (37 Posts) - #23
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As predicted in my initial post above, the fed court of appeals nuked the net neutrality law today. Nothing is going to change overnight as the legal process is not over yet but unless the government passes an actual net neutrality law (the net neutrality provision that just got nuked was an administrative rule, not an actual law passed by Congress and signed by Obama) plan on changes in the next year to two.

Here's a link.

01-12-14  02:11pm - 100 days What's the right amount of "free"? (29 Posts) - #20
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Glad I waited to respond to this one. My initial thoughts were in line with most others in that there a gazillion tube sites out there so why waste time trying to tempt the freeloaders with more freebies. I don't frequent them but I know a free are going to some HD so you're not really going to break any ground there.

My only other initial thought is that 10 pics are just too few. Double or triple that. There aren't that many pic hounds out there any more so I don't think it hurts to give us a little more freebie action to judge the goods.

My next thought was that the industry needs to shift to more of a token / itunes model which Rick duly noted is where he wants to go. Show a clip (probably 1/3 to 1/2 is OK) in HD and have a "Buy the Full Clip NOW!" button where customer can buy the full HD video and pic set (even though us pic types are in the minority it still adds value for virtually nothing). PU and the site split the fees. The only down side is that the New PU ends up having to mess around with credit cards / sign ups / consumer data (don't end up like Target) / licensing agreements / etc., which might cause more pain than gain. The upside is that if you can build a viable model like this and develop a template then that means extra $$ down the road when you can sell or develop templates for sites that already operate their own tube sites.

Overall, while I think adding such a model would add value to the new site it isn't going to overly add to the "social" aspect in that most people will just view for free or buy a couple of clips and move on. Like PU / TBP most will just be gawkers reading all of our prose in silent awe ... and wondering why the hell we just don't shut up sometimes.

01-10-14  12:25pm - 103 days Jb's Blog (53 Posts) - #45
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Not much to add here but I do like your little personal blog here. I thought about doing something similar a few years back but I'm just too damn pedantic for most people. Love your stuff and hope to see it on the new site.

01-09-14  12:32pm - 104 days myporn.com - first look! (62 Posts) - #14
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My 2 minute quicky tour yields the following impressions:

1. Like the look. Very much a step forward over what PU / TBP has today.

2. Like the number of options and various subsites. Definitely allows for more customization.

3. Like some have mentioned, it is a bit "clicky" but given the number of subsites I think that is to be expected.

Here's a few "yet to be determined" aspects:

1. Acknowledging valued members. Obviously we had the trust rankings and points system here. Not really sure what will be carried over to the new site. It'd be nice to at least show what members have high trust votes and high volumes of trusted reviews / comments / etc without too much clicking away.

2. Too hard to find back info? I think most people (aka - not the type that really read or explore the forum here) would just center on the main page of subsite. If only 5 or 10 posts / reviews / etc. only appear without a bunch of additional clicking is that too limiting. An idea might be to copy Facebook and similar sites where you have unlimited down scrolling (more info keeps getting loaded the more you scroll down).

3. An explanation of the subsites. On the main page of myporn, on the upper left and across the top, there is a list of each subsite. Might be worth it as an initial startup feature to have a brief pop up explanation of what each site is and is for whenever you hover your pointer over the subsite icon.

4. Sort of like here at PU, it would be nice to have a member profile page. I assume that is in the works but not showing at the moment.

5. What is really needed is a Wittyguy crowd sourcing donation button that will fund my future career as full time dirty old man.

Dats all I got for now.

01-03-14  02:32pm - 109 days Why so few female members here? (37 Posts) - #10
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Without taking the time to dig through the archives here my memory tells me that few women posted here in the past only to be hit up with a bunch of members asking questions about the women. Nothing terribly sexist but definitely not overly welcoming either.

01-03-14  02:29pm - 109 days Advanced economics (26 Posts) - #6
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For whatever reason, the $30 a month rate seems to be the cutoff mark for the porn industry. I read an article a few months back that said the industry has pretty much found out that this is the upper limit the average user will pay to join a site for a month and that most of the major players in the biz have found this to be true.

My theory as to why this persists in the age of high speed internet is simply because it's the way it always has been. Like how much of the world operates, it's just easier to keep doing what you've always done especially once consumers get used to the concept. The online porn biz started out with monthly memberships so that's what you mostly still see.

I've always thought there was more room for variable pricing (monthly membership, limited trials, expanded trials, pay per view, etc.) and I sort of thought more sites would be heading this direction by now. The main reason why this hasn't happened is because the big boys of porn don't do this. Why offer pay per view or multiple trial levels when you can get people coming back every few months or sign them up for long term reduced price deals. Most consumers of porn are "one and done" meaning they stick around for only a month or so and then don't come back. Because this is the realm of the average consumer (created in part because of what the average consumer expects) the porn sites have to optimize revenue by getting the most from these people. Thus, you're stuck with monthly memberships.

While this is a pain for those who really like a site(s) and only want the recent updates recognize that you're in the minority. If I were a website owner and things were going OK financially I couldn't see the benefit in setting up a pay per view system (the cost of coding and site alterations, etc.) versus the payoff of getting a few extra members for a few $1 downloads when I know if they really like the site they'll be back in a few months to hand out money for the monthly membership. Porn is a relatively cheap commodity already (it costs more to see a movie in a theater and have some popcorn and a soda than it does to join most sites for a month) so it probably doesn't pay in both time and money for the site operators to be trying to suck up a few extra bucks a month when the current system seems to be working OK for them.

It's probably going to take a good quality super site to shake up the current pricing paradigm and I don't see many leading the way at this point. Only once the big players move will the smaller sites follow along.

12-28-13  11:46am - 116 days Why so few female members here? (37 Posts) - #5
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In the past, the few members who at least claimed to be women and posted here in the forum pretty much got hit up with a lot of less than admirable responses to their postings. For whatever reason, a lot of guys seem to think that women in porn forums are fair game for a lot b.s. or unnecessary / unwanted attention.

It wouldn't shock me to know that there are a few women here who hide behind neutral or male sounding screen names. However, I suspect that vast majority of us are just dudes doing their thing ...

12-25-13  12:17pm - 119 days Merry Christmas to all (9 Posts) - #4
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Merry Rated X-Mas to all.

12-23-13  12:17pm - 121 days Al Goldstein Dead at 77 (4 Posts) - #5
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He was already obsolete when I started watching porn decades ago. However, he definitely was an influence on the way we see our smut today. Not a nice guy but back then being nice was not going to cut it in the porn world.

12-19-13  11:52am - 125 days Target Store Credit Card Hack (14 Posts) - #2
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I almost never shop at the big box stores but guess who actually did ... at Target ... using their debit card ... about two weeks ago. Thinking about just having the bank cut me a new debit card at this point. Merry x-mas to me.

12-14-13  01:29pm - 129 days Any new information on the replacement TBP/PU site rollout? (35 Posts) - #4
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Man, in the other thread on this topic I think I wagered three of my badges that it'd be going by the New Year. Looks like I'm about the get demoted in the PU army

One thing I've been thinking about and would put out there as a request for the new site(s) is the possibility of having a "like" button. Yeah, I know it's waaaay overdone on social media but sometimes I read a review or comment or forum posting and don't really have anything to add but I'd like to give the author a tip of the hat for their effort without writing a response. Maybe I'm just being lazy but it might generate more interest in the new sites if people can at least get some positive feedback even if people aren't taking the time to write responses. My guess is that I'm not alone in taking this position. Anyway, just a request.

12-12-13  12:38pm - 132 days Psychology Study!! Please help! (13 Posts) - #7
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I took the survey. The one thing that was a bit unusual was that you are supposed to take 5 minutes to write about a porn scene you've recently seen but there are no directions as to what to write about. Not sure about that one. The last page has some explanation about what the research aims for (here's what it says):

What was this study about?
This study was an investigation into the possible impacts pornography consumption has on self-concept. It's aim is to explore the possible effects sexually explicit material has on an individual's self-esteem and body image. It is not assumed that pornography always has a negative effect on one's self-concept, so this study aimed to explore the possible effects it could have.

Why is this important to study?
There is well-documented research outlining the negative effects of portraying thin women and well-defined men in magazines and music videos. Comparing oneself to the appearance 'ideals' portrayed in the media can have negative effects on one's self-worth, self-esteem and general confidence. As there is not as much research exploring the possible impacts pornography has on one's self-esteem and body image, this study aims to expand the research in this area.

How was this measured?
There were two different versions of the questionnaire you have just completed. You may have been asked to describe an action film that you have recently seen or asked to describe a sexually explicit video before answering questions about your self-esteem, body image and sexual attitudes.
The study was designed to test whether recalling a sexually explicit video would lead to changes in self-esteem, body image or sexual attitudes. I am also interested to find out whether people who view more pornography in everyday life tend to have higher or lower self-esteem and body image.

12-10-13  12:32pm - 134 days 720p vids are all I need or want (22 Posts) - #12
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I agree with the original opinion in that 720p works just fine for me and even though I dig pics I don't really need 5000 pixels to get the point across. I mostly take this position because I don't want to be loaded down with external hard drives, not to mention paying for them even though they are relatively cheap now a days.

The only argument I really see against this is if you're taking the future into consideration. When I was a kid we had a 19" tv which was fine, I couldn't imagine having a really big one in the space we had (aka - a 30" tv). Today, I can't imagine regularly watching the tubervision on anything less than a 40" HD model (I hope that's not because I'm "going blind") in a space about the same size as we had when I was kid. In the not distant future you're going to find your desk is monitor, you can roll up and stick up a mat on any wall to be monitor, hell - you're going to find entire walls that are monitors at prices that won't entirely break the bank. The future for vids and pics will probably be even more supersized than today. Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I guess I don't expect the porn to better or be more meaningful if I can see a closeup of a vagina the size of a refridgerator so I'll stick with my wimpy small collection that looks fine on a 23" monitor.

11-22-13  01:08pm - 151 days Any other "groupon" like sites for porn (2 Posts) - #3
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Touche to Khan. Actually it is sort of a cool idea but one that's not ready for prime time. Porn sites advertise on other porn sites and places like this because that's where they're future client base hangs out. Porn sites pay a referral fee for each paying client that comes from the referral site. In effect the system in place is a bit like Groupon in that sense.

However, a Groupon type site wouldn't really work for porn, at least in my mind. First, you would need a trusted clearing house (aka - a Groupon like site) that a consumer would trust to turn over their credit card info and trust that they get refunded if the minimum number of "buys" isn't met. So far, nothing like that exists that I know of but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

Second, porn is more of an impulse purchase for the majority of users that is already relatively cheap. I don't see a lot of people waiting for a groupon deal where they might save $5 or $10 of a $25 site (compared to a discount they might find here for example) when they have the time and inclination for porn "right now".

Third, the vast majority of porn folk prefer the freebies seen on tube and pirate sites as opposed to paying. If most people aren't going to pay anyway, I don't see a Groupon site changing that fact.

Fourth, quality and time are big factors for people who pay for their porn. I pay for porn because I know that what I choose download is worth keeping and I don't have to hunt all over internet hell to find what I want thus saving me time. You don't see big companies on Groupon because they already have what people want, why undercut yourself when you don't have to. I would foresee a porn Groupon site being flooded with small niche sites with limited mass appeal and sellers of crap porn that's been cloned and resold to death for the last decade. The major players who produce the good stuff at a reasonable price would probably stay away, thus limiting the draw to a Groupon like site. Porn is already loaded with rip off sites as well and a Groupon site isn't likely to be able to sort through the good from the bad, thus discouraging buyers from taking the leap into something "new" - that's why we hang out here.

Lastly, Groupon is slowly dying because the model was so easy to replicate and because merchants discovered that they weren't getting enough return traffic to justify handing out a deep discount to the masses. Porn sites are already a low margin business and they know that most users don't stick around for very long. If I were a pornsite operator I'd ask myself "why bother" when the system in place seems to be working. Edited on Nov 22, 2013, 01:11pm

11-20-13  12:49pm - 153 days Need help valuing adult site (5 Posts) - #4
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I got absolutely zero experience with valuing a website but I'd go so far to say that you should venture outside the world of porn and look at how "normal" companies that sell web only content (aka - nonretail, consumer good stuff) are valued. Traffic means nothing if it doesn't generate sales. I do know that buying a traditional brick and mortar company is quite involved and you have to do your due diligence ... definitely not something you just up and decide to do unless you got a pile of cash you want to burn.

11-12-13  12:40pm - 162 days The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change (37 Posts) - #7
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Paying for bandwidth is still the bid baddie for us today as it will be for some time to come. I use Comcrap for my ISP and even though I pay like $60 a month for standard broadband, I'm limited to 300 GB a month in downloads (although that is not a strict limit - I think they start charging you more if you consistently top that). If I were a heavy Netflix user, heavy online gamer, or had a gigabyte internet connection that limit would probably be blown out of the water each month.

The possible changes coming to internet site access and DL limits imposed by ISPs sort of lead me to the conclusion that the internet (and what now passes as tv) is going to become a lot like the airline industry in that if you want anything extra or even a slightly better experience then you're going to have to pay a fee for it. Until enough people rise up and say they won't put up with all the b.s. it will continue and, in the case of the internet, become the status quo.

The only immediate game changer I see to this world of payola is you, the consumer, agreeing to give up even more privacy so that "sponsors" (aka - ads) will agree to give you some of that better internet experience for free ... but you already know what free gets you.

p.s. Graymane, man if my head isn't big enough already .... just hope I don't find time to reinstitute the PU awards again

11-09-13  04:31pm - 164 days The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change (37 Posts) - Original Post - #1
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The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change

This has been at best a minor news story but the ramifications will probably be felt by many of us in the upcoming years.

Currently, the US operates on a loose premise of "net neutrality" where ISPs cannot discriminate against websites or web traffic based upon the origin or content of the material being transmitted. This became law back in 2010 (however, the rule never applied to wireless or mobile signals - good luck trying to figure which is which now a days). Currently that law is being challenged by Verizon in an appeals court which, although a ruling has not yet been made, has strongly indicated that it will allow ISPs to discriminate against websites.

So, what does this mean? It means that if the law is struck down like many foresee then the web will shift to a "pay to play" format. Websites will have to pay ISPs to prevent them from disrupting traffic or limiting speeds whenever an ISP feels like it for any reason it wants to come up with. Yup, it becomes a shakedown for large internet based companies (Netflix, Amazon, Google, etc.). For smaller internet companies (aka - 99.9% of all porn sites out there), their users will be subject to possible disruptions at peak times or overall slower speeds if the downloader's ISP chooses to go this route.

It is also probable that as internet users we will also get caught up in the shakedown act. Do you want high speed all the time? At peak times? For fast access to websites not paying shakedown money already? If so, then paying your ISP more money for that privilege is probably going to become a theme too.

My guess is that the current laws will get struck down or at least modified so that net neutrality is just a phrase, not reality. If so, then I would expect the "pay to play" model will directly affect porn aficionados first because porn is an easy subject to start limiting, especially all the porn pirating and tube sites, because there is no political voice for this subject. Long term, I would expect things to get back to more "normal" levels like today but we'll all probably be paying more for this new normal.

11-09-13  03:55pm - 164 days What makes a real man? (49 Posts) - #36
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10-10-13  12:40pm - 195 days Who will be the first real celebrity to cross over into mainstream porn? (9 Posts) - #8
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I don't foresee any mainstreamer going porn any time soon. Certainly no A or B level star would do it because they would be giving up way too much money and lose whatever brand they have. Hell, Hustler is always offering million dollar + payouts to less than top talent (aka "Octomom" and the like) and they never get takers. Miley is doing what she's doing because it generates publicity and publicity makes you money and serves a crutch for people who don't know anything else / better. The only time you'd see someone do this today is because their career is washed up, they're broke, mentally messed up, and lost any kind of a support network ... not something I'd be interested in seeing when the media already offers up a smorgasbord celebrity train wrecks.

10-09-13  02:26pm - 195 days Random Levity (46 Posts) - #19
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Well, leave it to me for inserting a little "random levity" into the forum

10-02-13  09:49pm - 202 days Random Levity (46 Posts) - Original Post - #1
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Random Levity

Alright, the forum has been way too quiet as of recent and filled with too many people saying "adios amigos" in lieu of the upcoming demise of this corner of cyberspace. Guess it's time for me take another brain dump with just a few random thoughts caused by excessive brain damage and too much time looking at porn. Feel free to add you own to this thread:

If you really like someone but can't seem to escape the "friend zone" to take it to the next level does that mean your serving time in Palcatraz?

If someone doesn't believe that they'll ever get laid does that make them a sexual atheist?

If a cop pulls you over for drunk driving can you get let off by saying "In dog beers, I've only had one ... ossiffer."

This one basically speaks for itself ... and maybe Drooler:



With all the famous tag lines movie stars have had over the years I often wonder no porn stars have every tried to come up with one. You know, some porn starlet could squint and say before every come shot "Go ahead, make my day" or something similar. If I ever started a vegan porn site -- a yet undeveloped niche that would involve no pussy/beaver eating but lots of cream fillings -- I'd make sure my porn stunt dick bellowed out this line at the start of every scene:



And, last for now, what the members of Congress are currently doing during our fabulous government shut down:

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09-25-13  12:58pm - 210 days The silence is deafening (58 Posts) - #21
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My last post on the matter of the transition (no, I'm not leaving) and current state (or lack thereof) of PU. Here's my take:

Participation, especially new voices, has been decreasing for quite a while now. That's just life. PU, the forum, porn, etc. have all been around for a while so that the loss of that fresh car smell was bound to cause some drop off as people get distracted by more / different online temptations. The demographic for a lot of the heavy PU contributors is pretty much white men(I'm just guessing but I doubt I'm wrong) over the age of 30; not exactly a recipe for drawing in the masses. Plus, the mere fact that PU and TBP are about porn paysites already tosses this crowd into the minority of online porn seekers. Basically, like the Republicans today, the demographics were already against us and they they aren't trending back no matter what we believe.

Participation was going to decrease by the simple fact that the weekly raffle is no more. I get why it was discontinued but the fact that it's not here any more was bound to have nothing but a negative effect on participation levels here.

In addition to the loss of the raffle, Rick got overly excited about the new digs he's building and started showing off blueprints for a construction project that is 3 to 6 months from being completed. Suddenly everyone knows that life here is going to change / end in a yet undetermined manner from our perspective. Again, this is going to have nothing but a negative impact on participation and accelerate the attrition that was going occur anyway just due to the transition. In other words, people were going to leave just because of the change; period. It's just that the process is getting drug out longer than it probably should have been and that creates even more limbo and uncertainty that isn't helping anyone.

My final take? Take a chill pill, crack open a brewsky and spin that hard drive of yours to pop up your favorite classic porn vids. Life is always changing, we're all gonna die some time, and PU is going into the internet archives whether we like it or not (I envision PU's place in the archive being sandwiched between this guy and all the internet rants from people who hate how the "Dexter" and "Breaking Bad" series ended). All will not end once we move, it will just change and will hopefully have some different and new contributors (and maybe old contributors disguised as new ones) as well as some of the current crew.

09-25-13  12:16pm - 210 days All Good Things Must End ! (19 Posts) - #3
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Sorry to see you go Cybertoad. Don't know what to say that might make you stay so I'll just add that I hope to see you in the next PU incarnation.

09-22-13  02:12pm - 212 days Do you have / who is your current “it” girl(s) (60 Posts) - #27
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Good luck to you jberry (let's face it, a lot of us here probably need some operations from the neck up). Don't know your exact situation but I'm at the point in life where a lot of relatives in the generation above me have had to go under the knife in the last year for various ailments (including brain surgery). All have come out in much better shape and much happier than before. It's natural to think of possible "bad" outcomes but the reality is that you're almost always trading short term pain for long term gain. Keep positive.

09-22-13  02:03pm - 212 days So long .... (23 Posts) - #2
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I seem to recall (correct me if I'm wrong) that you talked about this a few months ago. If it is for good then I say "All the best to you" and note that you will be greatly missed around here as one of our best contributors. My spidey senses tell me that you just need some time away like some of us have taken from time to time. Hopefully we'll see you again in the upcoming incarnation of PU. Meanwhile, keep on reading

09-15-13  07:22pm - 219 days the future of pornusers...a couple mockups to get your head spinning (102 Posts) - #85
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Originally Posted by Rick:


I can't put an exact date on anything yet, so I won't. I appreciate the patience, and I'll predict now that I'll be saying that a lot in the next upcoming months.


Mmmmm. I hear what you're saying but "months" in developer time is sort of like dog years. What should only take 1 day/week/month to do often translates into 7. My money says we're not looking at a new site(s) until the first of the year. Unless you know everything is going to click with the new site very soon I'd make a point of saying it's going to be business as usual around here for a while so those PUers who are holding back in anticipation of a new site know to let it all hang out here. Any over / under takers on the New Year launch? I wager 3 of my badges on a 1/1/14 launch, after all we don't really need no stinking badges around here any more

09-15-13  01:43pm - 219 days My problem with mixed sites! (47 Posts) - #12
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I do agree that that a lot of sites are becoming more "mixed" now in terms of soft / hardcore. For me, I actually like it since I do like hardcore and it adds more variety to a site and from my perspective too many of the softcore sites get repetitive in terms of the way they shoot their material.

I sort of equate Messmer's problem of being in the minority ("minority" in terms of taste for quality softcore as opposed to rest of the hardcore driven crowds of the web in general) to my interest in photo sets over video. I can't count the number of times I've seen a great photo set or model and had my interest squashed by a lousy video of the same shoot (endless monolithic moaning, asshole male actor, director giving verbal cues, etc.). Yet, far too many sites are just now just using pics as "filler" material with little regard to size, lighting, using screen captures from less than stellar video quality, cropping and selection of shots. I bitch about this all the time but there isn't a lot I can do short of limiting my memberships to a few sites because I know the economics of the biz call for video ... followed by more video and everything else be damned. It's sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Without more revenue sources the sites I like might not make it yet in order for them to make it make they don't put as much effort into what should be an easy fix. Majority rules.

09-15-13  01:30pm - 220 days the future of pornusers...a couple mockups to get your head spinning (102 Posts) - #81
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Regarding Rick's point(s), yeah it was inevitable that you'd catch some crap. It's a lot easier to complain than praise when you don't have any skin in the game and when you suddenly find out your little community is going to have some big changes (of yet undetermined proportions at least from our end) imposed on it. If you've ever lived / worked in a small town it wouldn't have been a stretch to imagine that even small changes to the status quo can generate more conversation/derision/joy/etc. than one would imagine. I'm not terribly nostalgic so for me it won't be the end of the world and the changes will probably be a good bookend for me since I've had less and less time to spend in this section of the internet world.

I do agree that changes needed to be made otherwise PU/TBP would eventually become another outpost relying on decreasing amounts of referral $$ like the tube sites run by some guy who sits in his underwear all day and lives in his mom's basement (I assume Rick at least wears footsie pajamas while on the job). I'm sure we'll all get adjusted once the change occurs and hopefully the situation will be better for all once it does.

The only thing I would have done differently is waited until the "mockups" were closer to implementation. I remember the whole change from TBP 1.0 to 2.0 took a lot longer (6 months or so) than expected and since this is even a bigger jump both literally and figuratively then I would have said it is best to take the inevitable pain in a short term dose before everyone finally gets readjusted in their new home. Never doubt Khan ... unless he's battling Kirk.

09-05-13  01:23pm - 230 days I tilt my lilly pad to you ! (26 Posts) - #19
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Thanks for the kudos man. I'm still lurking here in the background but, as you have noted, I'm sort of waiting to see what roles out on the new site(s) rather then spending much more effort here at the moment. I plan to do as the Doors did and "break on through to the other side" when the time gets here but I doubt I'll ever be as active as I was several years ago since my free time is more limited (which is a good thing overall). Hopefully the new site will entice more users to engage but I guess we'll all see.

08-24-13  11:43am - 242 days Webmasters want to know! (65 Posts) - #12
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Here's how I would tackle your questions. First, what we most want is quality content. I'm willing to overlook a site's look if it has good stuff. Billing processors matter but mostly only to us who have been around a while and been burned a few times -- we all love ccbill and some of the larger ones because they have their sh*t together. As long as your prices aren't totally out of whack with the competition then we aren't terribly price sensitive so long as you got good stuff. Updates? As many as you can pump out is what we want. On a small niche site 1x per week is the bare minimum. If you're just starting out and have a small collection then think about more updates in order to grow the site -- small collections get you dinged when it comes to ratings at PU, TBP and some other review sites.

Basically if you're going to run a smallish niche site then the number one thing is to be quick to respond customer issues (good and bad), don't mislead by using promos featuring girls not on the site or promising what your can't deliver or back up, don't fall behind on the quality side (don't skimp on pic sizes or vid sizes or production thinking most people won't care, we do because we also see what the big sites are cranking out), and try to stay away from "gonzo" style because that is just so over played today. Good luck.

08-19-13  12:02pm - 247 days Joymii Account Question.. (6 Posts) - #2
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Hopefully this helps: Enter the Joy Mii website through the PornUsers or BestPorn website and click on the "join" page at Joy Mii. That should bring up the reduced price. Join the website (beware of prechecked cross sales). Within the next few days go ahead and cancel. You should have access for the full 30 days and only be charged for the reduced $15 rate. If you see a rate greater than $15 on the Joy Mii site then try cleaning your internet history and cookies and repeat. If you still see a higher price then that means Joy Mii uses regional pricing where they charge you more depending on the IP address the website sees coming from your machine. I don't think they use regional pricing but one never knows.

08-18-13  02:39pm - 247 days the future of pornusers...a couple mockups to get your head spinning (102 Posts) - #21
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Initial reaction is "too bad" in that everything that has been built up here is going to get flushed. Would be nice if there was a way to link back to the now old PU site once the new version goes live (might be nice to just take the existing forum and put it on a separate sever / cloaked site to be able to link back to as I think most of us PUer's would miss that the most). I would say that you may want to run both the new and the old side by side for a period of time - maybe not allowing new content to be posted on the current Porn Users but giving us time to cut and paste what we feel is important to the new site. Rather than incorporating existing reviews into the new site just allow us to cut and paste reviews and/or comments up to 2 years old.

However, I do agree is time to upgrade the place and knowing a little about code I understand that it's often way easier to just scrap the past and just start fresh. Given that, I would still be paying some attention to rebuilding loyalty with existing customers. By this, let me use "me" as an example. This happens to be my 1000th post in the forum, I got nearly 100 points in reviews, a bunch of trust votes and comments, blah, blah, blah. My point isn't so much that I want to be rewarded right away at the new site but that I'm going to have to rebuild an online reputation years in the making (though that may be a good thing for me ). Quite honestly, I don't have the time or the desire to really want to do that. I don't think there is an easy answer to this point I'm making but I think the success of the new site will in part depend on bringing over a good part of the old guard here at PU in order to maintain all the high standards that everyone talks about in our posts and reviews. The worst of all possible worlds would be losing PU and seeing the new place turn into another corner of the internet filled with morons talking smack.

p.s. - Better have an idea in mind about how to handle user disputes if someone tries to jump on some long time PU users name for the new site.

08-09-13  12:16pm - 257 days Does Brandi Love do anal (4 Posts) - #3
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If she does, she doesn't do it on camera.

08-06-13  01:54pm - 259 days Still saving and collecting downloads? Does it make sense anymore? (23 Posts) - #9
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Several things keep me from adopting a "stream only" preference. In no particular order:

1. Money. Why would I pay money each month for the sake of not having to download to a hard drive? It wouldn't take many months on a site before you make up the cost of an external.

2. Here today, gone tomorrow. Unless we're talking about a major studio, you never know how long some sites will be around or before they remove older material.

3. Time. Unless the site has great navigation or allows you to build up a personal profile of scenes, you then have to navigate around to find what you want. Probably easier to find on your drive unless you're a hoarder with no organization.

4. Privacy. While we all know the NSA is constantly evaluating the quality of the porn we currently download, that's not my main concern. I would expect that the longer you stay on a site the more likely they are to see you as a cash cow, someone whose information would be worth something to other sites or individuals. Whatever privacy is in place today may not be there tomorrow.

5. Pics. If you like pics then streaming doesn't really work, especially if you have jump around to find the good shots you like online.

6. Cloud storage? I've never been a big fan of cloud storage because you never know who or what might have access to it, legitimately or otherwise. If you can find an online safe house though, that's another option. No externals to mess around with while still having 24/7 access. I would expect costs to keep dropping here as well. Probably a safer route if you worry about who might have access to or find your externals. Probably not cost effective for porn hoarders though.

There's my

08-03-13  01:05pm - 263 days Time to Re-invent? (9 Posts) - #2
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I just cranked out this sucker in response to a different thread but I guess it's basically the same response here. Woo-hoo, 2 posts for the price of one:

"For "us" I think it's safe to say that porn is in something of a doldrums phase right now. By "us" I mean those of us who have been around the porn block a few times and have collections going back years which are consuming terabytes of external drives. We've seen all the big sites and the niches we like. We want quality (HD, big pics, good navigation, etc.), we want original content, we want a steady supply of updates and we want it at a reasonable price.

When we first discovered on line porn we ate it all up at first (especially before the days of PU / TBP and other on line guides), got burned sometimes but still came back for more. Now, we sort of have the attitude of "been there, done that" and the thrill of the chase has diminished accordingly.

There are sites out there featuring models and content that I like but I really don't go there because the quality isn't very good or the sites are almost dead in terms of updates. I'm unlikely to dive into some new site because they don't have enough content or because I don't know what the hell it's going to be like so I wait for a review or two to come up here or somewhere else. So, in a way, I've become self limiting in terms of what I'm willing to pay money to see and I think a lot of us are that way.

Also, the porn industry has matured with bigger studios pushing the smaller ones out while the gobs of free / pirated porn make it harder for everyone in the industry to make a buck. The porn industry led the tech charge for a while with online charge systems, video playback and other gizmos but no more. The low hanging technological fruit have been picked so now it's just a question of looking for new models and gimmicks (parody porn, bad 3-D, pricing schemes, etc.). Porn is still a cheap and easy business to get into but giving "us" what we want is harder to do on a budget.

To quote Billy Joel, "the good old days weren't always so good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems". The early days of radio had lots of variety and participants but it was pretty much of a local ilk and wasn't on for much of the day. The early days of cable were cool because they had pro wrestling, some sports and a lot of movies; stuff that today is pretty ho-hum. Porn is still getting cranked out, every year more gets produced than the year before and even more sites come out. Most of it is vanilla to "us" because vanilla is what most everyone else wants (or what the producers think everyone wants). "Us" have essentially graduated from the McDonald's of porn to the world of fine dining where the offerings are fewer. In this sense, the "us" of PU have created a trap of our own making while the porn industry as a whole isn't really offering us anything new and great to reach out and grab onto.

So, I say that porn is not dead and never will be so long as human beings have a sex drive. The industry as a whole has plateaued but will probably take off again as newer and better technology (3-D, holographics, etc.) comes along at reasonable price points."

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