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08-19-14  04:19pm - 1 day Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (22 Posts) - #23
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bodyparts.biz



This the site that I regret missing the most. It hurt all the more that I was in touch with the photographer after closing, yet she wouldn't sell anything for personal use, not even for an over the top amount of cash.

Check out her landing page now: http://bodyparts.biz

Her domain name is expired, but the server is still running: http://199.59.95.236

Her old blog is still here on her server with her old free samples, if you missed out, and you want just a taste: http://199.59.95.236/wp/

I have more to say about this site, but I am too busy tonight. It is the one that got away though, and I regret it a lot. Edited on Aug 19, 2014, 04:29pm

08-10-14  05:56pm - 10 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (22 Posts) - #22
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Thanks again lk2fireone for starting this thread, it hits close to the heart of why I collect porn.

I think that we are in a golden age of porn of historic proportions. Mainstream porn seems to have had its first golden age in the 70's and 80's, but this right now is really the first golden age porn having to do with my favorite genre. It's never come into the mainstream like this before in such a great quantity. It's easy to take it all for granted and because of that, so many consumers and producers alike don't put a lot of effort into preserving older content. I think this is a mistake, but it will only be widely realized years down the road.

Check out this exhibit on lost art: http://galleryoflostart.com/

Also check out this article on lost films: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_film

And this quote from the article:

The largest cause of silent film loss was intentional destruction, as silent films were perceived as having little or no commercial value after the end of the silent era by 1930. Film preservationist Robert A. Harris has said, "Most of the early films did not survive because of wholesale junking by the studios. There was no thought of ever saving these films. They simply needed vault space and the materials were expensive to house."


Aren't the parallels to older porn striking? Much porn from the 1990's to today will be lost for this reason. There is too much porn out there overall for one person to put a dent in any sort of effort at preservation, so I chose to take a narrow focus. While I like solo girl and hardcore as much as the next guy, I chose to build a collection of epic proportions around my absolute favorite niche - pee fetish porn - a niche that has recently come to explode like never before in history. My goal is simple - to download all pee fetish porn online. I am at the half way point right now, having all pee fetish porn from hundreds of sites after hitting the largest ones first, and there is no stopping now. The greatest satisfaction for me is not just when I add an additional site to my collection, but when I recover one that has closed, or when I get to a good site before the lights go out.

So what will eventually happen with my collection? I will ensure that it lives on in some way or another, but I'm still only 30, so that is a long ways away.

As for the sites that have been missed, some may yet be recovered, while others will be near totally lost. There are some absolutely amazing ones that have closed, and they will never be seen in entirety again. I look at these photos and videos, and I see everything from snapshots and point-and-shoot camera work, to the work of talented artists who have gone off the beaten path into porn, and failed commercially.

Some of the partial copies of lost sites in my collection are so stunning, yet so irrevocably lost, that they are somewhat painful to look at even years after the fact. I have been thinking lately that, while I cannot recover these sites, I can take inspiration from them and start my own. If things keep going as planned, I will have the resources for a professional operation in a matter of years. The biggest obstacle will be convincing my wife. I mean, she loves porn, and she does run a few non-adult websites, but still. Let's just say we're working on it. I feel so strongly about porn, as you guys know, that I am increasingly feeling that this is something that I need to do. Edited on Aug 10, 2014, 06:19pm

08-10-14  07:37am - 11 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (22 Posts) - #20
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Teenrotica.com



I warned months ago when this site was going down the tubes that it will be closed soon, and now it has happened. Hopefully, those of you who wanted to see this site had your chance. I downloaded all of their peeing content, but didn't have the time to get a full copy of the entire site.

The scenes that I have feature European models including Aiden, Cameron, Conny, Diana, Evelyn, Fiona, Karyna, Ketty, Klarys, Pavla Lee, Rachel Evans, Sharka Blue, and Winnie. Edited on Aug 10, 2014, 01:00pm (LPee23: Image brought into compliance with guidelines) Edited by Staff on Aug 10, 2014, 07:54am (Khan: image removed)

08-09-14  06:13pm - 11 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (22 Posts) - #19
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I've been watching porn online since 1996, but I only joined PU recently.

The owner of Xisty.com went by the name "Fred." In addition to running his own studio, he licensed content out to others. The ATK photosets credited to "Fred" were his work.

08-08-14  02:18pm - 12 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (22 Posts) - #17
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Are those photosets now lost to us if we haven't download them to our hard drives?


Just a few more words of hope here. You never know when you will finally come across something that you thought was lost. I mentioned that I was recently lucky enough to get in touch with a webmaster whose site was put out of business by its payment processor for violating its content guidelines. She was kind enough to allow me to purchase whatever photosets I was interested in, and I just finished downloading them today. This includes content from her site as well as unreleased stuff. Not only that, but I learned that she kept the content from another of her sites that closed in 2008. I remembered that site closing, and it was one that I had given up hope on years ago. I'd say which sites I am referring to, but I'm not sure if the webmaster would appreciate me doing that. If anyone here is really dying for rare photos featuring women peeing, then PM me, and I'll point you in the right direction. The bottom line is, if you missed out on something, don't give up. With persistence you may still be able to find it plus much more. I will definitely appreciate these photos so much more, just due to the chain of events that brought them to me.

Having this thread will allow us to compare notes and expand our searches, thereby increasing our odds of success in looking for whatever it is we missed out on. Happy hunting everyone! Edited on Aug 08, 2014, 02:41pm (LPee23: corrected typo)

08-05-14  03:20pm - 15 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #27
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Hahaha lucky you!

08-05-14  01:46am - 16 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #25
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Nice call! Here's one from digitaldesire.com. Any takers on this one?


08-04-14  05:14pm - 16 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #23
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This is another one from houseoftaboo.com if that jogs anyone's memory...

08-03-14  07:41am - 18 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #22
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Here's another one, does anyone recognize her?


08-03-14  07:19am - 18 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (22 Posts) - #13
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Xisty.com

Does anyone remember that site? It features models such as Brittney, Candy, Peaches, Susanna Spears, etc. It opened in 2006 and closed in 2009. Now just a handful of their pics and videos can be found online. It's too bad because these are some high profile models that people like to collect, but now this portion of their careers looks like it is lost.


08-02-14  10:23am - 19 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (22 Posts) - #12
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I know, I bought one of her clips there, but she hardly has any of her photosets available. I shot her an email to ask about it, but haven't heard anything back yet...

08-02-14  09:06am - 19 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (22 Posts) - #10
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I think this type of thread is useful, because it helps everyone to avoid inadvertently deleting irreplaceable content when cleaning up our collections.

Here are a few more that I already mentioned in other threads.

Clara-G.com
TotallyAnnette.com
JustineJoli.com

07-31-14  04:39pm - 20 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (22 Posts) - #2
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Originally Posted by Il2fireone:

Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust?


I think this is a great idea. Nothing is more frustrating than when you visit a site, finally determined to join, and find that it has closed. I once started a similar thread on a porn forum focused just on pee, and sadly it has been one of the most active threads for over a year and going strong. I was really curious to see a similar thread on porn overall, so hopefully this thread takes off too.

Originally Posted by Il2fireone:

Are those photosets now lost to us if we haven't download them to our hard drives?


Some are lost, others are not. I have reached out to many webmasters to purchase old content. From my own experience, any number of things can happen. Some webmasters enjoy porn as much as we do and they are likely to keep copies of their sites long after they close. Some may still sell it for the right price, others have given it away for free out of generosity, while others can't be bothered to take the time for any price. Just today, I am finalizing a deal to acquire all peeing photos from a site that was forced to close by it's billing company last January for featuring "extreme" content. I was expecting to pay more, but the webmaster is asking just a little over the price of a membership.

Sometimes webmasters keep the content, but it just sits around collecting dust. One of my best finds was an entire site with 60,000 pics and videos that I purchased 8 years after its closing. The webmaster had to open up an old storage unit, dig out a PC from 2005, and swap the hard drive into a new system in order to get the content. He obviously didn't put in any effort to preserve the content, but it ended up getting kept by chance. If I had waited until he decided to empty out the unit, that PC from 2005 that wouldn't boot would almost certainly have gone in the trash, along with what was probably the only remaining full copy of that site.

I know one model/webmaster who has given me a lot of amazing content from her old sites for free. She is an example of a webmaster who actually likes porn a lot, so she tried to keep everything. She still has everything from her sites featuring other models. She lost her copy of her original site featuring herself to a hard drive crash though, and she didn't have a backup copy.

Over time, I think it's safe to assume that the original copies of most closed sites will be lost due to neglect. Sometimes, the content is deleted at the time the site closes. I can think of a few sites that deleted their content because their contractual agreements with their models were non-transferable. It can't be found anywhere now, and it is probably gone for good. For some webmasters, porn is business, and as soon as the content is no longer making money online, it goes in the trash.

I think old internet porn is overall being badly preserved. It's just so easy to delete. It's common to assume that there are hundreds of people out there saving every bit of online porn, so deleting it is guilt free for most.

Here's my first contribution to this thread. Does anyone remember AG-Angels.net? It was a Greek site that featured solo girl, bg, and pee. I was lucky to download an entire copy of the site as a member right before it closed. Lower resolution versions of some of the photosets are still available on Athens-Girls.com, but most of them haven't been seen anywhere online for years.

07-27-14  09:28am - 25 days Brits declining Web filters ... (9 Posts) - #3
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I am so glad that the UK people voted by click of the mouse and opted out of this filter. With less than 10% opting in, this filter looks like another multi-million dollar embarrassment. No politician wants a project like that on their hands, so hopefully this will make them think twice before attempting similar projects elsewhere.

07-25-14  08:11pm - 26 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #21
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Sorry to hear that she passed away.

07-25-14  02:58pm - 26 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #19
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Here's another model, this time from realitykings.com. Her boob job isn't the best, but she can squirt pretty hard. In this pic, her "squirt" came out a bit yellow...

Anyone recognize her?


07-17-14  03:17pm - 34 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #18
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Originally Posted by LPee23:


Here's another one from houseoftaboo.com if anyone is up to the challenge.




Well, looks like I figured this one out on my own. She goes by Miki as well as some other names.

See: http://eurobabeindex.com/modules/search.py?text=miki&submit.x=0&submit.y=0

07-06-14  04:02pm - 45 days Is Porn Losing Its sparkle or Do You Think Its Great These Days (32 Posts) - #4
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Finally, we can all agree on something. 2014 has been a very bad year for porn so far.

While I've stood up in favor of the more extreme stuff on the principle of freedom of artistic expression, the classier stuff has always been my favorite. I really love elegant, artistic shoots done well.

Porn just isn't catering to my tastes that much anymore. Within my favorite nice, peeing porn, I have in my collection content from over 600 sites, almost half of which are closed now. Of the sites that remain, fewer than a third are still updating, and more than half have removed at least some older content or just fallen into disrepair. This year, pee sites have been closing at the same rate they once opened during their proliferation in the early 2000's. Only one has opened so far this year, powerpiss.com, and I joined today and downloaded all their content, which is just 35 videos, in less than 10 min. It's not even really new content, it's just videos from joyangeles.com that they moved to another site.

I guess porn goes through cycles of boom and bust just like every other industry, and this year has been a bust of epic proportions. Well, if it had to happen, I guess this year is better than most others, because my work is eating up almost all of my time now. I think it will turn around eventually, and hopefully I'll have a bit more time on my hands whenever it does.

07-05-14  12:25pm - 47 days Google says no more porn ads. (36 Posts) - #36
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It is both the tubes and the pirate forums that are hurting the industry. Porn sites that track and analyze their users surfing patterns generally seem to report that the average user spends 20 minutes surfing for porn before moving on to other things. Most potential customers fall into this category, and they want streaming video and quick gratification.

Then there are the more dedicated surfers for porn. These are the users who surf for hours on end and are more likely to build up large collections. These are the people who are more likely to put in the time to find forums, register, and wait for the downloads.

I think both tubes and free forums are poaching customers from paysites. Tubes might be poaching a greater number of customers, but the forums are probably poaching a more dedicated crowd.

07-05-14  09:13am - 47 days Interesting article about X-Art and their copyright defence (18 Posts) - #17
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Originally Posted by pat362:


^Not even back then. The porn made in the 80's was so much better than most of the stuff made after the 80's that it's not even funny. There are so few good porn scenes made today that like you I'm not even joining sites that want me for a member for 5$. I keep getting these offers and I can't be bothered to part ways with less money than I spend on coffee during one week.


I haven't seen a single new porn site that interested me open all year. There are some established players that are still putting out good stuff, but there have never been so few quality new ones.

06-25-14  04:57pm - 56 days "A Rosebud By Any Other Name..." (25 Posts) - #25
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Originally Posted by AWpress:


Oh sure, we've been there before; without a catalyzing incident, of sorts, we audited our records and came up short for a handful of shoots. We'd certainly taken the records, but had somehow misplaced them. After exhaustive searching, we came up empty. The only thing left to do was to delete the perfectly legal content from our servers.


If you have a very large number of models, it requires effort on a consistent basis over the years to avoid losing a small number of records. One brief lapse is all it takes, and without self-auditing, you would never know. This is why X-Art.com could be in trouble, as I said in the Malibu Media thread, because it looks like their 2257 records are likely to get dragged into court soon. It's a tough bar to meet when one accidental slip up that results in a single lost record can result in criminal charges.

06-24-14  05:53pm - 57 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #17
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Originally Posted by biker:


Justine Jolie is one of my favorites. I've got a few DVD's she is prominent in. In everyone, her hair is a different shade of red.


I am all about Justine Joli right now. She is definitely a new favorite of mine. I can't believe that her solo girl site closed just 2 months ago, and I missed it. Damn.

06-24-14  05:42pm - 57 days "A Rosebud By Any Other Name..." (25 Posts) - #21
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This discussion just took an interesting turn. I agree that the major effect of 2257 records nowadays is providing assurance to consumers that what they are purchasing is legitimate.

I don't think the FBI has raided anyone for 2257 records, but I think the Bush era Department of Justice did initiate a round of inspections in 2006. I'm not sure if they convicted anyone, but I think it did lead a lot of webmasters to go over their records, realize that many were incomplete, and self-censor by deleting a lot of legal content that just wasn't properly documented. I know first hand of a webmaster who purchased a European site and couldn't use a portion of their content because their 2257 records were incomplete.

I like to think that all sites keep good 2257 documents, but in reality, think about the potential for disorganized webmasters to lose track. We all know a bunch of sites that look like they haven't been updated since 2005, are riddled with errors, and their webmasters are impossible to reach. Do you think sites like this really have meticulous records? Somehow, I doubt it.

I also have heard of a site with truly illegal content that claimed to have valid 2257 documents. The owner was arrested, I think in Russia back around 2006. This particular site was a black mark on good operations everywhere, and it deserves to be forgotten. Edited on Jun 24, 2014, 05:46pm

06-22-14  07:41pm - 59 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #15
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Here's another one from houseoftaboo.com if anyone is up to the challenge.


06-22-14  06:48pm - 59 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #14
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Right you are Drooler! I really wonder what's been going on with her lately . She used to be on houseoftaboo.com, now she's not. She used to have a solo girl site, now she's just got a clips4sale.com store. Anyway, she's done some amazing stuff in her career for sure.

06-22-14  05:38pm - 59 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #12
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You are right on Drooler, again! I admit that I clicked right past her on my own search, because I did not recognize her without the makeup. This is a fun thread, and you guys seem to like it so far, so I'm going to keep going with it for now. Contributions from others would be welcome too!

Anyone recognize this model? She was one of the earliest on houseoftaboo.com.



06-22-14  06:24am - 60 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #10
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


This is fun. It reminds me of quizzes I saw once in a porn mag I looked at way back in the mid-1980's, with titles like "Name That Cocksucker" and "Name that Cunt Lappee." But this is easier for reasons that are clear enough on face value.


Thanks Drooler and turboshaft. You guys made it look easy. I just went through my collection and identified a few more, and it is fun. Here's another hottie with big natural tits that totally stumped me.


06-20-14  05:55pm - 61 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #6
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Wow, you are so right Drooler, it is Olivia York, and she is beautiful!

Edit: Looks like EBI needs to add houseoftaboo.com to the list. Also, to DDF's credit, they still have Olivia York's pee scene on houseoftaboo.com. Looks like I just overlooked it!

While we're on a roll here, here's another unknown model from DDF.

Edited on Jun 20, 2014, 06:24pm (LPee23: Read you EBI link and wanted to comment on it.)

06-19-14  05:13pm - 62 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #4
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Here's another model from an old shoot from DDF not on their site anymore.



Sorry I don't have a better shot of her face, but this is all that I have to work with.

06-19-14  05:04pm - 62 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - #3
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"I've been trying to figure out who this model is for a while. She's most likely a European model and the shoot is from DDF from the early 2000's. Her shoots have been removed, and even their support can't remember who she was now."

Wow, I just had a moment of clarity, and I identified her myself. This is one of Sandy's early shoots! She has been so prolific, I can't believe I didn't recognize her sooner.

DDF still has a bunch of Sandy's stuff online, so now I'm going to ask if they can bring this shoot back, because it was one of her best.

06-19-14  10:22am - 63 days The "who's that model" thread (26 Posts) - Original Post - #1
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The "who's that model" thread

There have been a number of different threads by people trying to tap the vast porn knowledge of the PU regulars and identify a particular model. I was hoping to get a single thread going for this type of thing.

I've been trying to figure out who this model is for a while. She's most likely a European model and the shoot is from DDF from the early 2000's. Her shoots have been removed, and even their support can't remember who she was now.

I hope this type of post isn't violating any PU rules by showing this pic, but if it is, then of course feel free to delete it Khan. My only reason for showing the pic is to help with identifying the model, not to share it with others. That is why I have cropped it, reduced the size, and paint brushed over her tits and pussy, so that it can really serve for identification purposes only.


06-19-14  08:12am - 63 days extreme sites (2 Posts) - #3
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Here are a few femdom sites if that's what you are looking for.

theenglishmansion.com
russian-mistress.com
brutal-facesitting.com
femdomuncut.com
clubdom.com
mistress-jennifer.net
femdom-austria.com
femdomempire.com
femdom-girls.com
ruthlessmistress.com
slaveclub.com
whippedass.com
femdom-berlin.com
lesbian-femdom.com

06-18-14  03:45pm - 63 days "A Rosebud By Any Other Name..." (25 Posts) - #4
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I don't get anything out of it, prolapse is not my thing, and of course it's a shame any time a woman is subjected to an injury on account of porn.

Just to be fair though, prolapse can result from complications of pregnancy too, not just porn. If someone enjoys that type of thing and their interest makes a woman feel a little better about herself, then of course it is not wrong, and I won't judge people who get off on that.

Here's the other catch. Prolapse caused by porn doesn't always result from extreme insertions, it can result from nothing more than lots of anal over the years. The only way to avoid it entirely would be to ban anal, and I don't think anyone is ready for that.

I agree with the sentiment of all the posts here, that women should never be injured on account of porn. In fact, I couldn't agree more. We should still be careful about judging those who enjoy prolapse or whatever. Others are out there just as adamant to judge us for enjoying porn in the first place.

I draw a hard line at consent. If it's between consenting adults who know and understand the risks, then I have no problem with it appearing in porn. I also personally wouldn't want to see a performer injured in any way.

By the way, I'm a member at Kink right now too, although I go for the softer stuff there, mostly pissing.com and the squirting scenes on fuckingmachines.com. Not into the extreme insertions or anything too sadistic. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, so I sleep just fine at night. Edited on Jun 18, 2014, 03:53pm

06-15-14  08:55am - 67 days Ebina Models closed? (5 Posts) - #6
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


I had a membership years ago for a short time. I didn't feel terribly lucky, to be honest.


I'm checking them out now. They do have some shoots that are non-exclusive, many overlapping with ClubSupreme.com as far as I can tell. Since ClubSupreme.com has been closed for years, I guess that makes them exclusive now?

06-15-14  07:23am - 67 days Google says no more porn ads. (36 Posts) - #11
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I remember when Steve Jobs said, "Folks who want porn can buy an android phone." I took his advice and did buy an android, and I am very happy with my S4 mini right now. I don't even use porn apps or watch porn on my S4 mini, but it's the principle of it. When you're looking at spending $400 on a smartphone, and iPhones and Androids are both very good, I'd rather spend my money with a company that is committed to openness.

Unfortunately, today's post-IPO corporate Google has lost touch with one of it's core defining principles - openness. Their biggest selling point used to be that they would provide you the absolute best search results, gmail, and other services for free, in exchange for some ads that are well targeted to what you may actually want. Now, porn is harder to find with their new algorithms, and their ads can't promote porn even if users want it. Google used to be about a tradeoff of privacy for the best free services and search. Now they're about trading ever more privacy for ever crappier free services. Eventually users will get fed up and leave. Like biker, I'm at that point myself. Never thought I'd say it, but it looks like Bing is my new Google.

06-12-14  07:12pm - 69 days Ebina Models closed? (5 Posts) - #3
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Looks like this fortunately was just a temporary thing, because EbinaModels.com is now back. Always a welcome surprise to see a site come back online. I will be checking them out shortly!

06-11-14  04:28pm - 70 days Interesting article about X-Art and their copyright defence (18 Posts) - #8
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It looks like X-Art.com may have just stepped on a huge landmine. Apparently, a defendant's lawyer accused X-Art of having incomplete 2257 documents and made the argument that the court can't defend the copyrights of a company that might be violating the law in providing content. It's a preliminary ruling, but the judge seems to be willing to allow the defendant's lawyer to inspect all of the 2257 documents in order to support or refute these claims. I think X-Art is a legitimate company, but with over 200 models, even 99% complete 2257 documentation is not enough to avoid a conviction.

It's a risky defense though, because if one of the models is proven to be underage and the defendant downloaded her content, then he is going to prison too.

See the article here: http://www.xbiz.com/news/web/180319

06-11-14  04:09pm - 70 days Google says no more porn ads. (36 Posts) - #3
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"We ask that you make any necessary changes to your ads and sites to comply so that your campaigns can continue to run."

That last line is funny in a cynical way. Translation: please stop advertising porn and remove it from your sites so that you can sill keep spending your money on us.

Google really sucks for caving in to pressure from Morality in Media on this one. Is Google done standing up for freedom of expression? Will we never again see a naked CGI Larry Page talking about tentacle porn (see article below). Seriously, please read this article, it is hilarious.

http://www.wired.com/2013/05/on-google-island/

06-06-14  02:09pm - 75 days AB 1576 passes committee (44 Posts) - #35
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Originally Posted by AWpress:


We take model health extremely seriously, and have rigorous testing procedures in place.

We're based in Amsterdam, so this law isn't applicable to our operation. Moreover, the vast majority of our content is solo girl, and girl-girl. That said, we do regularly shoot and release girl-boy shoots too (1 per month). In almost 40 girl-boy shoots so far, none have used a condom.

That. Said. Our girl-boy scenes feature only real-life couples, we turn the cameras on and encourage them to relax and show us how they normally do it. Imposing condoms would be like imposing sex positions or money shots; fake. Of course, couples are free to use condoms if that's how they do it.


This hints at a valid point. AB1576 should at least have an exception for real couples. I understand how workplace protections have a firm basis in law, but what about amateur couples, maybe even married couples, who want to shoot content for their own small scale operations? I'm sure those scenarios must have been considered, and yet there is no sort of exception in the bill? I know workplace protections are important, but so is freedom of artistic expression. HIV tests are accurate when used properly. The law should require adequate testing for HIV and other STDs like gonorrhea and chlamydia, but it shouldn't bar performers who test negative from performing bareback together. Yeah, it could be argued that producers may cut corners on the testing, but they are equally free to cut corners on using condoms. If only AB1576 could mandate adequate testing, without treading all over freedom of artistic expression by requiring condoms, then both sides might have a nice compromise.

The bottom line is that testing alone is adequate. Companies who cut corners on testing can just as easily cut corners on condom use, with the same risk of repercussions. Many are going to edit the condoms out - think green screen chroma key condoms - so it won't be so easy to check compliance just by looking at the videos. Edited on Jun 06, 2014, 02:19pm

06-02-14  05:27pm - 79 days blowjobs with condom (6 Posts) - #4
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Maybe you can hit the California sites up for their behind the scenes, unedited footage when they start using CGI to edit out the condoms This applies more for the sex for now, but still, good luck!

06-02-14  03:47pm - 79 days Revenge Bill fPasses ! (16 Posts) - #15
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Speaking of drunk girl porn, looks like WDGirls.com (Wild & Drunk girls) is closed to new members now. It was an awesome Russian site, actually very high quality, too bad it didn't live long enough to get its first review here. Anyway, I bet it's just coincidence that it closed now, because the models did supposedly sign contracts, but you never know.

05-27-14  03:52am - 86 days Credit card porn guidelines in US (20 Posts) - #18
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Originally Posted by Parsnip:


10 - 12 years ago there were a lot of sites with underage material which was technically legal (for example the earlier incarnations of MetArt) - the credit card companies made them change or put them out of business.


I've always wondered, was that the case with Ga1itsin's stuff for MetArt and Ga1itsin-news? I've always avoided it because I didn't know for sure that it was legit. I know he had charges leveled against him in Russia in 2008, but never learned the outcome of the case.

Originally Posted by Parsnip:


It the authorities can't exert some sort of control, we should be thankful that the credit card companies are prepared to.


My issue is that the credit card companies don't seem to do this in a very sensible way, and they go after content that is safe and consensual. In the three instances that I am aware of them pushing for self-censorship, they were way over the line. One is the case of a small fetish photographer who likes to shoot pee fetish stuff, but can't post golden showers on his site because of credit card processor rules. Another example is a site that combined S&M, role play, and peeing in a way even more extreme than Kink.com. Credit card processors basically forced them to remove almost all of their original shoots with any kind of nudity or S&M, and they are pretty soft now. The third example is the article on XBiz.com that I quoted earlier:

"Even though rough sex producer Intersec Studios company spokesman Dixon agreed with Rowntree's take that content is limited to credit card processors' censorship (the site avoids content like peeing on other people, blood or fecal matter), the content on its sites including SexuallyBroken.com, InfernalRestraints.com and (rigging site) Hardtied.com's, among others, can be considered extreme even in today's market."

I don't think golden showers belong in this list. That's just my take.

05-26-14  05:58pm - 86 days Credit card porn guidelines in US (20 Posts) - #14
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Originally Posted by jook:


From what I know working with credit card processors and have read about, extreme porn, a subjective term, is no different than any other legal business as far as credit cards are concerned. As long as it's legal, a credit card company can process such charges and has the right to collect payments.


The weird thing is, this seems to be the attitude of credit card processors towards many sites. Then there are the handful that say their payment processors are forcing them to remove certain "offending" content. It seems to be totally inconsistent.

05-26-14  09:38am - 87 days Credit card porn guidelines in US (20 Posts) - #12
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Certainly came off less extreme than the other sites in terms of how far they would take the fetish, hence why "anal" on EverythingButt usually means more than what other companies are willing to do.


Just saw a quad anal scene on FuckingMachines.com. That's 4 full sized dildos attached to the moving arm of a modified SawzAll. Holy shit!

05-26-14  07:07am - 87 days Credit card porn guidelines in US (20 Posts) - #10
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To further substantiate my suspicion here, I had a look at their published content guidelines. Their guidelines do not allow person to person peeing. They do allow most squirting, but not long squirts that may be mistaken for pee.

05-25-14  05:51pm - 87 days Revenge Bill fPasses ! (16 Posts) - #8
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Originally Posted by David19:


I'm curious what you think of beach voyeur sites like ilovethebeach.com. Such sites feature photos of topless (and sometimes nude) women in public contexts like the beach. The women are topless by consent, but they haven't consented to be photographed and definitely not to have their photos used on a porn site. There is an implied sexualization of these photos--the women are being used as topless models on a porn site when that may not have been their intent.


Love 'em or hate 'em, I think they're soon to be a thing of the past. It's kind of amazing that they can continue to operate, but don't think that things will stay that way forever.

Would I personally walk down a nude beach and snap photos? No. Would I want to be one of those creepy "bird-watchers" offshore with a telephoto lens? No. Do the majority of the women already baring it all at a nude beach know that this stuff goes on? Yes. Most do not care. That being said, with new regulations coming, the sites with true voyeur content and no documented consent will have a tough time. Edited on May 25, 2014, 05:56pm

05-25-14  07:54am - 88 days Credit card porn guidelines in US (20 Posts) - #9
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This also from Kink's Acworth last week, from the same article that mentioned the credit card guidelines:

"And although the knee-jerk reaction by those new to the genre would be to push the limits of content to new extremes in order to titillate new paying customers, Acworth said in fact his company may be "retiring" some of its most extreme lines in favor of appealing to a more mainstream audience."

Reading between the lines here, I wouldn't be surprised if he is referring to pissing.com. It hasn't updated in years, and it's all about golden showers. If you're at all interested in this site, I'd join it while it's still around. It's only got just over 50 videos, and you can download everything in 2-3 hours. It seems like the site has a small core of content that they meant to build on, but then just never updated.

05-25-14  07:48am - 88 days Credit card porn guidelines in US (20 Posts) - #8
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I'm not certain but I think that seeing blood and/or fecal matter in your content is likely to get you blacklisted by every CC Processor.


I'm not into sites like this, but you would be surprised how many I have stumbled across. They're mostly European, but some use some recognizable payment processors. It's amazing that sites like this can get away with it while other sites get censored for having golden showers or rough but consensual S&M.

05-24-14  12:35pm - 89 days AB 1576 passes committee (44 Posts) - #11
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Yeah, I know he's a vocal opponent. He did say the rules were "proposed," so for all we know they could have been immediately shot down too. Anyway, maybe it's a good thing that we have some differing opinions here, it makes for interesting discussion.

05-24-14  08:22am - 89 days AB 1576 passes committee (44 Posts) - #9
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Here's the article that I'm citing on XBiz.com, it's an interview with Peter Acworth, owner of Kink.com.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/179601

Here's the part that I'm citing:

"XBIZ: If the bill does pass, do you think the AIDS Healthcare Foundation will take a continuing vigilant role and become chief complainant over shoots?

ACWORTH: Yes. One aspect of AB 1576 is the record-keeping. A complaint from AHF to Cal/OSHA would give access to these records to Cal/OSHA for their agenda. As you know, proposed Cal/OSHA draft regulations include protection of eyes and condoms for oral. These new regs would be very easily and quickly enforceable with this new record-keeping in place and that is where I see this going."

I guess you are technically right. The bill itself is not calling for protective eyewear, but the Cal/OSHA regulations being drafted in parallel to the bill apparently are. The bill will require compliance with the Cal/OSHA regulations, so the effect will be the same. Granted, these are just drafts according to Acworth, but still. Protective eyewear? Come on.

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