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12-21-14  08:12am - 10 hrs If you're looking to organize your collection try this (7 Posts) - #7
LPee23 (16)
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Interesting, some of the sites that were offline at the time I audited my collection are underlined here, and some of those are back online!

12-21-14  08:09am - 10 hrs If you're looking to organize your collection try this (7 Posts) - #6
LPee23 (16)
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12/23/2013 03:43 AM lovelyirene.com
07/27/2014 10:08 PM mandymischief.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM marina-exhib.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM marjorie-x.com
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12/23/2013 03:43 AM megafuckfest.com
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12/08/2014 09:03 PM misscheyennesworld.de
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12/23/2013 03:44 AM mountain-glamour.com
12/23/2013 03:44 AM myprivateplayground.com
12/23/2013 03:44 AM nakedamateurs.blogspot.com
12/22/2013 08:28 PM nakedby.com Tiffany (pics taken down)
12/23/2013 03:44 AM nastyfetish.com
12/23/2013 03:44 AM nastygermangirls.com
12/23/2013 03:44 AM nastykati.com
01/04/2014 12:22 PM naughtyschoolgirl.net
10/20/2014 07:07 PM newbienudes.com (content removed regularly)
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02/11/2014 08:44 PM nicolesheridan.com
12/23/2013 03:44 AM nylon-piss.com
12/23/2013 03:44 AM oliviadelrio.com
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12/23/2013 03:44 AM outdoor-fuck.com
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07/05/2014 07:51 AM peeasian.com
12/23/2013 03:58 AM peefantasy.com
01/19/2014 08:26 PM peeing-woman.com
12/31/2013 04:59 PM peeing247.com
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12/23/2013 03:58 AM peeingmania.com (some content removed)
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12/23/2013 04:01 AM picland.to (all content deleted)
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12/23/2013 04:01 AM piss-maniacs.usx.cx (ripoffs)
12/23/2013 04:01 AM piss.cruto.info
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09/08/2014 08:36 PM prunz-punz.com
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12/23/2013 04:04 AM relaxengine.com
12/23/2013 04:04 AM restroom.net
12/23/2013 04:04 AM Rodox
12/23/2013 04:04 AM ronvogel.com
01/03/2014 11:36 AM russianpee.com
08/10/2014 01:17 PM saharagetsdirty.com (all pee content removed)
05/04/2014 09:07 PM saltrain.com
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12/23/2013 04:05 AM scoreland.com
12/23/2013 04:05 AM sexyland.cz
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12/31/2013 07:26 PM sunshinegirls.com
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12/23/2013 04:08 AM welcome.to
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12/23/2013 04:10 AM wettingherbed.com
06/27/2014 04:54 AM wettingherpanties.com (early sets removed)
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12/14/2014 03:15 PM getdirtywithjuliet.com
12/20/2013 11:55 PM girl-e-girls.com (all pee pics)
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12/31/2013 04:43 PM pee-e-girls.com
12/23/2013 03:21 AM peemotel.com (front page up but no one can join)
01/04/2014 12:06 PM swallow-my.com (censored by UK gov't)
12/21/2013 12:22 AM sweet-e-girls.com
02/22/2014 09:11 AM teenrotica.com
12/14/2014 03:22 PM watersportssluts.com Edited 10 Hours Ago

12-21-14  08:03am - 10 hrs If you're looking to organize your collection try this (7 Posts) - #5
LPee23 (16)
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12/23/2013 03:25 AM 247femdom.com
12/23/2013 03:25 AM 90B.com
01/03/2014 09:21 AM aarielle.com
11/22/2014 09:51 PM abbeybrooks.com (pee content removed)
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01/03/2014 09:44 AM allofanne.com
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06/23/2014 02:36 PM amateri.cz (content regularly removed)
10/05/2014 10:55 AM amateuralbum.net (content regularly removed)
12/23/2013 03:28 AM amateurpisslovers.com
12/23/2013 03:28 AM amateursinbondage.com
05/03/2014 07:42 PM amberanal.com
11/19/2014 08:56 PM americankittens.com (some content removed)
12/23/2013 03:28 AM amsterdam-kinks.com
12/23/2013 03:28 AM andyprivate.com
01/03/2014 11:36 AM angellongxxx.com (pee content removed)
12/23/2013 03:28 AM angiexxx.com
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05/04/2014 07:37 PM bellavendetta.com (all content deleted by hackers)
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01/03/2014 09:10 AM bizarcore.com
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12/23/2013 03:29 AM bsjphotography313.com (private shoot with Bonnie Rotten)
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03/27/2014 10:05 PM colibrigirls.com
12/23/2013 03:32 AM collegegirlvids.com
12/23/2013 03:32 AM contrib-amateurs.net
12/23/2013 03:32 AM couple-sex.net
12/23/2013 03:32 AM cumishaweb.com
12/23/2013 03:32 AM cumonchristine.com
05/07/2014 06:20 PM cyber-productions.co.uk
01/06/2014 10:31 PM daisysroom.com
05/07/2014 06:21 PM darienvain.com
05/07/2014 06:24 PM daydream4cody.com
12/23/2013 03:37 AM ddgxtreme.com
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05/08/2014 08:29 PM dixiesbabes.com
01/04/2014 11:07 AM doctortrickles.com
12/26/2013 09:52 AM dom-i-nation.com
12/23/2013 03:38 AM donita-dunes.com
12/23/2013 03:38 AM dutchcontent.com
12/22/2013 08:12 PM dutchroxy.com
12/23/2013 03:38 AM ebonydrippers.com
12/23/2013 03:38 AM epwatch.com
05/12/2014 09:59 PM epwatchfilms.com
05/12/2014 10:00 PM erickroll.com (Eric Kroll was going to sell to me, but backup CD was corrupted, content lost)
12/23/2013 03:38 AM eronity.com (content regularly removed)
12/23/2013 03:39 AM eroprofile.com (content regularly removed)
05/12/2014 10:06 PM escapade.nl
05/12/2014 10:06 PM eurobabes.com
12/23/2013 03:39 AM europaar.net
12/23/2013 03:39 AM evilutionplex.com
01/03/2014 11:56 AM exclusively4adults.com
12/23/2013 03:39 AM extremebank.com
12/26/2013 09:53 AM extremehole.com
12/22/2013 08:18 PM extremeholly.com (some content removed)
01/03/2014 11:56 AM fetish-pee.com
12/31/2013 04:48 PM fetishake.com
12/23/2013 03:39 AM floralie.net
01/26/2014 09:26 PM flowerpowergirls.net
12/23/2013 03:39 AM freshspreads.com
04/02/2014 09:15 PM g-style.tv
12/23/2013 03:39 AM galleryofwives.com
01/03/2014 07:59 PM germanliquids.com
12/22/2013 08:20 PM getdirtywithjuliet.com
07/24/2014 03:07 PM gingerjolie.com
12/23/2013 03:40 AM gspot.nl
12/23/2013 03:40 AM hardcore-indian-girls.com
12/23/2013 03:40 AM hardcorelarry.com Hustler outtakes
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12/23/2013 03:40 AM harmony18.com
01/03/2014 01:00 PM harrysbabes.com
07/05/2014 03:28 PM helenvolga.com (removed)
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12/23/2013 03:40 AM homemadeart.com
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12/23/2013 03:40 AM hornypissing.com
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12/23/2013 03:41 AM iampeeing.com
12/23/2013 03:42 AM idrinkpiss.com
02/11/2014 09:06 PM IFuck18.com Ember
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01/03/2014 12:19 PM ilovelyndsey.com
12/23/2013 03:42 AM iluvheaven.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM j-fetish.com
12/26/2013 01:32 AM jamaicanxrated.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM japanesegirl-4you.cc
01/03/2014 10:18 PM jezebele.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM joanadbunny.com
01/03/2014 10:23 PM joey-silvera.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM jp-express.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM justinejoli.com
01/28/2014 07:29 PM kathrynlee.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM katnoir.com
01/03/2014 09:57 AM kaylacam.com
11/23/2014 04:01 PM kenmarcus.com (old shoots removed)
12/23/2013 03:43 AM kinktestshoots.com (experimental site for kink.com)
01/20/2014 09:22 PM kinkycarmen.com
01/04/2014 11:25 AM kinkyhousewife.net
12/23/2013 03:43 AM kissus.com
01/04/2014 11:46 AM klubkinzie.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM knicker-wetting.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM kokage.com
12/23/2013 03:43 AM LE Films
03/27/2014 10:00 PM lea-fetish.fr
12/23/2013 03:43 AM leakygirls.com
01/04/2014 12:15 PM livwylder.com
01/03/2014 10:43 AM logans-world.com

12-21-14  07:53am - 11 hrs If you're looking to organize your collection try this (7 Posts) - #4
LPee23 (16)
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


I'm curious what some of the sites have closed for you.


The list is unwieldy to post, so I would have PM'd you with it, but you have PM's disabled, so here it is. I ran the 'dir' command on my folder of closed sites with pee content, then removed the free sites, so this is a list of paysites only. I count 311. Some are not closed, they just removed some or all pee content. It's too much for one post, so I have to break it up. Obviously, I have been diligently collecting for years. Edited 10 Hours Ago

12-19-14  03:01pm - 2 days If you're looking to organize your collection try this (7 Posts) - Original Post - #1
LPee23 (16)
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If you're looking to organize your collection try this

If you've got a few hours on you hands, and you're in the mood to look over and organize your collection, I have a great recommendation for you.

You should do an audit of all the sites you have, and visit them again to see how many are still around. I did this, and it was eye opening to learn that I had porn from hundreds of sites that have closed. You take a new kind of pride in your collection when you find rare content like that.

I'm curious if anyone else has tried this. Post here if you have.

12-12-14  03:38pm - 9 days Online porn crackdown announced in UK (12 Posts) - #13
LPee23 (16)
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Add to the list:

therubberclinic.com

Moving beyond watersports, does anyone know of any UK sites that still feature squirting? Edited on Dec 12, 2014, 03:43pm

12-10-14  05:28pm - 11 days Sorry for my sudden absentee departure, guys . But I had no choice (22 Posts) - #21
LPee23 (16)
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Don't worry, right now it seems that VR causes little more than motion sickness. You, me, all of us here are incredibly lucky. By chance, we were born into the universe at exactly the right time, and exactly the right place. Each one of us has probably seen more naked women than all of our ancestors combined back to the dawn of time. We can listen to a greater variety of fine music than ever possible before, and eat exotic cuisine from all corners of the globe. In many ways, we live with more luxury in our average lives than Egyptian pharaohs and Roman emperors. The chances of us existing here on planet Earth are immeasurably small, yet here we are. Don't sweat the VR thing graymane, you rode the wave at its crest.

12-06-14  06:08pm - 15 days Online porn crackdown announced in UK (12 Posts) - #7
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My friends in the UK tell me that decades ago, before the internet, the Obscene Publications Act was very difficult to enforce on watersports, because even then, juries would overwhelmingly fail to conclude that it corrupts and depraves those who enjoy it. Not sure about DP, but maybe the same story if brought before a jury.

This new development is very underhanded though, because it bypasses trial before a jury, it enshrines outdated obscenity guidelines and applies them to modern internet porn, with no evidence that the guidelines accomplish anything, and meanwhile British society that has long since moved beyond these prudish tastes.

There is now a petition at none other than change.org to protest against these guidelines. Please consider signing, even if you are not from the UK, because we are all affected.

https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-m...ornography-amsr-2014

Also, I think this is going to blow up in the face of Cameron and the MP's who back it. In the year 2014, how is it okay for a woman to eat a man's cum, but banned for a man to eat a woman's cum in a female ejaculation scene? Feminists are already gearing up to have a field day with this.

12-05-14  12:27pm - 16 days Sorry for my sudden absentee departure, guys . But I had no choice (22 Posts) - #9
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Graymane, I think it's safe to say you were missed by all, here, myself included. Glad you have you back!

12-03-14  02:53pm - 18 days Online porn crackdown announced in UK (12 Posts) - Original Post - #1
LPee23 (16)
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Online porn crackdown announced in UK

Porn-mageddon is finally here in the UK, at least for those who like the more explicit content that makes online porn so great. The ban applies to content that is too extreme to be classified as R18 by the British Board of Film Censors and includes:

Spanking

Caning

Penetration by any object "associated with violence"

Physical or verbal abuse

Urolagnia / watersports

Role playing as non-adults

Physical restraint

Humiliation

Female ejaculation

Strangulation

Facesitting

Fisting

Here are the links to the articles where this was announced today:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/a-l...uk-porn-9897174.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/por...he-most-9900591.html

I can go on about this, but time is short, so I will get to the point. If you have a UK site in mind that features this content and you are considering to join, then join now, because it's future may be measured in days.

I saw this coming over a year ago, so I made a project of covering all UK sites that feature peeing, and I believe that I am done. Here is the list that I have arrived at:

uk-flashers.com

misshybrid.com

angellongxxx.com

theenglishmansion.com (hosted in Amsterdam and incorporated in Vancouver, but maybe some ties to UK) - only one I haven't covered yet

got2pee.com

glimpse-it.com (hosted in US, but still has UK ties)

Hightide videos - too expensive to cover (warning also #2)

Skymouse sites (wettingherpanties.com, etc)

european-femdom.com

needapee.com

publicnudesluts.com (shot in Russia, but seems to be owned by a UK company)

justinesbedroom.com (got it before it closed)

watersportssluts.com (got it before the entire HardGlam.com network went down)

xamateurs.co.uk

crazypeegirls.com

peesearch.com

Any content hosted in the UK is fair game for take down. Any content owned by a UK citizen is fair game for take down, even if hosted abroad. The UK agency ATVOD can and has leveraged UK ties of international companies to attempt to have content and sites removed.

To clarify things, possession of this content is still legal, it's just the online distribution that has been banned.

Also, to clarify the watersports thing, it seems that the words "watersports" and "urolagnia" apply only to peeing on others and drinking pee, so solo peeing should still be allowed.

Now, I know everyone is going to be outraged to hear this. I am too, because the UK has given us some of the best sites over the years. I would like to ask your help with one thing. I am done downloading the content from almost all of the UK sites that feature peeing, at least those that I know of, and I know of about 300 sites that feature peeing online. My goal is to download the content from all of them before the curtain drops. Please look over my list, and if you can think of any UK sites that feature peeing content that are not listed, please reply, and I will join immediately and be extremely grateful. I have not searched for UK sites featuring female ejaculation, so if you can think of any of those, please post them.

11-30-14  02:54pm - 21 days The "who's that model" thread (30 Posts) - #32
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Yeah, thanks for the tip, I just figured that because it was Ken Marcus and he shoots a lot of prominent porn models, that someone might know.

11-23-14  12:48pm - 28 days The "who's that model" thread (30 Posts) - #28
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Okay, so no takers on the last one. Here's another one from the year 2000 that has stumped me. I think this was shot by Ken Marcus.


11-20-14  06:19pm - 31 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (720 Posts) - #761
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Originally Posted by pat362:


Now if as you say they are trying too hard to succeed than you might want to tell them that they are wasting their time because they are driving in the wrong direction.


Yes, I hesitate to be so direct, but this is the case. While I have requested that the site be re-listed for the sake of discussion, I will be refraining from reviewing them because they have too many issues to work out. It's kind of hard to tell them this, because they have invested a lot in moving in this direction, but I fear your instincts are right. The site does have amazing content, and an awesome landing page. However, they have moved to a "Netflix" style model in which the content is not supposed to be downloadable. Before you all complain about this, believe me, my head is in the same place as yours. I just feel for them a little because they spent a lot of time and money building a custom code base to make this happen. I wish them the best of luck. It's kind of hard to say it now, but honestly customers want downloadable content...

11-20-14  03:11pm - 31 days The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change (55 Posts) - #55
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Originally Posted by AWpress:


But if the internet was changed to a glorified cable tv service, with curated channels, you bet I'd be on the darknet.


Let's hope it doesn't come to that. AW has already been through harder times than most sites could survive, with the prosecution in Australia, yet you walked away still standing. I lost my original AW stuff in a hard drive crash years ago, and I would be kicking myself to this day if you guys had not hung in there, and I could not rebuild my AW collection.

11-20-14  02:40pm - 31 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (720 Posts) - #759
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I am in contact with the webmaster, and I will pass on your feedback. I think they are honestly trying to succeed - maybe trying too hard and deviating from the norm - but it is what it is.

11-19-14  08:30am - 32 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (720 Posts) - #756
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That's fine if that is your opinion. It would still be valuable to have it listed so that others can refer to it and the experiences of others.

11-19-14  08:22am - 32 days I'll be back (12 Posts) - #5
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Sorry to hear that CT. I have a sneaking suspicion that my political sentiments may have contributed, and if that is so, then I regret it. It's easy to talk politics online, but not easy to see when it goes too far. The truth is, we need more people in this country standing up for individual freedoms, so kudos to you.

11-17-14  07:29pm - 33 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (720 Posts) - #754
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I can't speak for the amount you paid but they clearly say on one of their pages that you can join for free simply by entering some basic info.


Yeah, but if you do that, you will find that the free membership just gives you the ability to preview the thumbnails.

11-17-14  11:51am - 34 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (720 Posts) - #750
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It's actually not free, although it looks that way. Trust me, I just paid $15.00 for a membership. It says free to join, but that just gets you the ability to browse the thumbnails. You have to buy a membership to actually access the content.

11-17-14  10:02am - 34 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (720 Posts) - #748
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Could you please list/re-list AmericanKittens.com? They are back online with a newly redesigned site.

11-16-14  12:19pm - 35 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (720 Posts) - #747
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Originally Posted by Monahan:


FWIW, I went to this site's URL yesterday and saw the offer that goes away on 12/1/14. I bookmarked it so I could check it out when I had more time. When I came back the link didn't work, so I assume that the site is closed to new business already.

Also worthy of note, the headline on the site had a comment that it was rated #1 by Rabbits Reviews. Rabbits Reviews has nothing at all on WDGirls.com.

Looks to be like this site is flaky (why else will they close enrollments?) and, contradictorily, is willing to prevaricate in its promotional material.

I think I will give these guys a wide berth and wait until they choose to go mainstream, if they do, and see what TBP has to say when (if) TBP does a review.


I tried the link, and it is still working for me.

I don't know about the Rabbit's Reviews thing. They were reviewed on Rabbits Reviews in 2013:

https://web.archive.org/web/201303271419...s.com/c15/Drunk.html

They were de-listed there when they closed their site to new members for the first time earlier this year.

While I can't speak for the owners of the site, I can give you the answer that they gave me regarding why they felt the need to close their site to new memberships. They had a large amount of their content pirated and became aware of some members, or maybe hacked accounts, who were posting their content for free. To try to get control of the situation, they felt the need to close off the site. I don't know any more than that. You can say they are "flaky" for closing off their site, but it's better than leaving the industry entirely, which is what many companies have done.

11-16-14  09:21am - 35 days The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change (55 Posts) - #52
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You make some valid points Cybertoad that I cannot argue with. Giving the FCC more regulatory authority could play out to be as bad as giving the ISP's free reign. There is no easy solution to this issue. Here's a "public service announcement" from the porn industry on the topic:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/9873757...-star-net-neutrality

11-15-14  03:01am - 36 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (720 Posts) - #740
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It's an Eastern European site, and they seem to get away with things that wouldn't fly in the US. I don't know which country it's shot in, so I can't speak to the legality of it. Anyway, it's just interesting, because you rarely get a "last call" from a site, so I thought I'd bring it up.

11-14-14  11:12am - 37 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (720 Posts) - #737
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WDGirls.com is now accepting memberships again, although for a limited time only. I would love to discuss this site more, but for starters, could you please re-list it?

11-05-14  06:52pm - 46 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #47
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Originally Posted by AWpress:


The market is saturated with models, shooters, studios, affiliates, and publishers. It's a pretty saturated market all around; so the competition is going to be fierce no matter how you step into it. That it's hopeless to start, though, or that no new professionals are successfully entering the industry.

At careers.abbywinters.com we've got a posting for contract shooters; you'd be surprised how few serious applicants we get (granted we require exclusivity, albeit whilst paying higher rates). While it's true there's a million guys with good cameras and hot girlfriends around, their professionalism is often below par, and their skills aren't quite as good as they think they are. We provide (required) training in our style and technical standards via learn.abbywinters.com, and applicants flat out refuse to do it- they think they're above it.

With dedication, professionalism, and skill, I'd say it's very realistic to aspire to making one's way as a shooter (or most things, really). If we want to look at the 'easiest' job to get in adult, once you have the skills, then that would have to be web developer. Getting the skills is the trick, though.


Thanks for the advice. It would honestly be a dream to see one of my shoots on abbywinters.com, which is one of my favorite sites. I checked out the training material there, and it's pretty good. Maybe someday I will take a shot at it.

As for the web developer thing, I really need to talk with my wife about this. Her web developers have done some awesome things for her sites at low expenses, and I can think of hundreds of sites that would benefit from similar services.

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Mrs. LPee shared a pickup line with me the other night that made me laugh:

"Hey baby, my dick just died , can I bury it in your ass!"

Obviously, great minds think alike.

11-05-14  02:18pm - 46 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (28 Posts) - #29
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Frannie Adams from bodyparts.biz had some amazing erotica. If the owner of this content ever came forward, there would be $XXXX.XX in it from me alone for sure!

I once even talked to a major network that was ready to offer to take over the expenses and operations of the site for a 50% share of profits, but sadly I sent out this offer right before her email server went permanently offline, and I never knew if she got it or not.

Edited on Nov 05, 2014, 02:26pm

11-02-14  05:06pm - 49 days fruits and things as dildo niche (4 Posts) - #5
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I've never been a fan of food insertion porn. It may sound a little weird but I just think that food should be eaten and not stuck up someone orifice and that's basically what I always think about when I see it performed. Luckily that is rare. For that reason I won't be of much help but since I keep track of a lot of porn than I feel comfortable in saying that you probably won't find a lot.


I'm fine with most fruit insertions, but once I saw a pineapple insertion. It actually happened. It was disturbing.

11-02-14  05:00pm - 49 days Porn sites: double penetration, gangbang or cuckold?? (3 Posts) - #3
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Originally Posted by haarek:


I am looking desperately for pornsites (payment pages for download) where there is a good selection of movies in the category: double penetration, gangbang / groupsex (1 girl / many men) or cockold. I want pages of recent movies and in good quality (type "pure mature" or "mofos").

Does anyone have any suggestions so please share them with me and my wife


Not to beat this topic to death, but your request is at an opportune time for me to recommend the Kink.com sites HardcoreGangbang.com, BoundGangbangs.com, and PublicDisgrace.com. Except for the cuckold stuff which they lack, they are right on par with what you are looking for, they are some of the best around, and now apparently available in their original unedited state for a limited time only.

10-28-14  02:37pm - 54 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #42
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:



I was wondering, what exactly is your main goal for this? Is it just being able to shoot a little porn that could be sold somewhere else--ostensibly, making it amateur porn? Or is it to shoot and then distribute it through your own paysite as well, in the process theoretically making it "professional"?



My goal would be to do memorable shoots with attractive models and make my priorities top technical quality as well as composition. Beyond that, the rest is details.

You don't see many people putting this much work into shoots and then posting them for free on blogs, with the exception of some art photographers who venture into the erotic. I could maybe go that route to start with, but before long, I imagine that I would want to start to recover some of the expense that I would put into it, or maybe make a profit.

10-26-14  05:16am - 56 days New Russian laws on porn (36 Posts) - #38
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Originally Posted by TVFR:


Sorry to resurrect this old thread but I am interested into followup.
Did the law had any impact ?





BTW recent international events may change this...


Actually, it's worse in Ukraine. Yuschenko passed a law that criminalized the production, distribution, and even possession of porn in Ukraine in 2009. The punishment ranges from a fine to a 3 year prison term. I have one photo from the site ukrainiangirls.com, and it's a rare piece of an era that is over in Ukraine.

10-25-14  02:11pm - 57 days Site recommendations (6 Posts) - #7
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


...the upside is you can negotiate a flat fee with them rather buy tokens which is how it is offered (as is clipsforsale). But you can always download their current offerings that appeal to you and then move on to find someone else you find appealing.


How does this work? Have you actually done this before? I've always thought prices were high on C4S, and negotiating a bulk discount with a studio would be awesome. On one hand, there are several smaller studios where I have bit the bullet and bought all of their videos that interest me. On the other hand, there are larger studios like Sinna's 2pee4you (http://clips4sale.com/studio/47160/) where buying all of their content would be incredibly expensive. In her case, I figured it would cost $16,000, and that is too high even for a dedicated fan like me. I never thought to ask for a bulk discount, because I assumed it would be a lot of trouble for studios to deliver their content outside the regular channels of C4S with the posted prices, but maybe I should? Were you ever successful at this?

P.S. Sinna, if you happen to google yourself and read this, your videos are worth the price individually, there are just so many that downloading everything is out of reach . Edited on Oct 25, 2014, 02:17pm

10-22-14  05:50pm - 60 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #32
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


I own a few websites and make some money doing it, however last three years even I have to be more creative. Even PU's own Admin is working on a two year project on this site to get a grip on the ever changing porn industry. PU is great but has dropped off the last few years. Other similar sites have done the same.


I'm with you man. One of my wife's websites has seen a slump in sales over the past two years, as have all her competitors in this particular industry, due to changes in customer's expectations regarding pricing for various content.

The flip side is that she has several top notch web developers on her beck and call who do amazing work for cut rate prices. It would be a great resource if I went into the industry. We have talked in passing about spinning off a web development business, I may bring this up with her again now that I think about it.

10-22-14  04:50pm - 60 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (28 Posts) - #28
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To keep this thread alive, here's a bit of good news. Occasionally you see the content from a dead site resurface elsewhere, and this is one of the best cases I've come across.

SusysDesperation.com was a solo girl site featuring Susy, a very hot woman in her late 30's who made some of my favorite peeing shoots ever. She started out posting shoots on redclouds.com, shot by her husband, and started her own site in 2003. It was not typical amateur porn. She had the body of a model, he was clearly talented at photography, and their shoots were high quality and well composed. They always had nice settings, good outfits, and she struck some amazing poses for an amateur. The site got some notice for a few years, but it closed in 2005, long before I had a chance to join. Missing out on that site was a sore point for many years. I had tried searching for her content extensively and asked around, but I had no luck except for a handful of random photos that I found.

Then, in January of this year, I was browsing through TACAmateurs.com, and I came across the familiar face of Susy. Apparently she has posted almost all of her scenes there under the name SusanRocks. Resolution ranges from 720x960 to 800x1200, which is very good for the era in which it was shot. Given that her content is getting no active promotion - actually it was almost impossible to find despite my dedicated searching for years - I don't think it could hurt to post a sample here. Hopefully, it helps get the site some sales.



She is one of my top three favorite models of all time.

10-20-14  03:44pm - 62 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #26
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Well, looks like it's words of caution all around then. Thanks to everyone for your advice, time will show how this plays out.

10-19-14  07:48pm - 63 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #23
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Originally Posted by anyonebutme:


The issue is dodging inquisitive friends and family who want to know what you're doing with your life, what your work is, etc., to keep the secret has the side effect of distancing yourself from them. Not exactly a winning situation. Being family, being friends, to an extent does mean sharing your life.


This is a valid concern. I would definitely be keeping my current line of work, and just producing on the side.

Originally Posted by anyonebutme:


And, you will likely very quickly learn that the porn fantasy viewed by consumers is nothing like the reality of dealing with the people within the business, the all the drama, and the daunting task of getting a product out there people find and will pay for in sufficient quantities to be profitable.


I'm sure this is true as well. The typical porn fantasy for consumers is to meet the models firsthand, see their scenes in person, and let's me honest, to get a piece of the action. That is not my fantasy at all. I am happily married, my physical desires are already met, and I desire no sex outside of marriage. My fantasy is actually to produce amazing photographs and videos. The process is secondary to the end result.

10-19-14  07:03pm - 63 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #21
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Originally Posted by pat362:


^I wish you the best of luck if you decide to go ahead but let me warn you that if you think you can bring something new to porn than you are fooling yourself. You may be able to bring back something that is no longer there but you are more than a decade too late to invent the porn wheel.


It would be pretentious to claim that I could reinvent the porn wheel, as I sit here with nothing to show for it as of yet. Also, I am acutely aware of how much amazing, unique content has come and gone. You are astute to suggest that I might be able to bring something back that is no longer there. In reality, that is a large part of my motivation. I can think of several producers who have come and gone who have produced absolutely amazing content, content that had a unique style that has not been reproduced, and to the best of my knowledge their content is now partially lost. I can't do anything more about that despite my best efforts. What I can do, however, is to be inspired and produce something of my own. If I do ever produce porn, it absolutely will bring back some amazing stylistic features of past producers.

At the same time, I understand why it is easy to think that nothing new can be brought to the table in the porn world. With so many cookie-cutter scenes being churned out by some companies, it seems as if it has all been done already. In reality, there is a lot of new ground to be covered. Just as a small hint of what I have in mind, consider high dynamic range (HDR) photography in porn. To my knowledge, this has not been done yet, at least not on a commercial scale. Definitely not in scenes with motion, which present an additional challenge for HDR. You might argue that HDR is probably beyond the point of diminishing returns on investment, and you might be right, but if I ever do this, it will be a labor of love. I will work hard to recover my costs, but the greatest reward would be in the work itself.

10-19-14  04:54pm - 63 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #19
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I know exactly what you are saying Cybertoad and Wittyguy. You are right, there is a real chance of my cover being blown, and I would have to prepare for that. Objectively, it sounds like too risky of a prospect. At the same time, I know that I could bring something new and unique to the market, and it's hard to ignore that. Thank you for being the voices of caution. I will keep your advice in mind, and time will tell how this plays out.

10-14-14  04:06pm - 68 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #14
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Originally Posted by AWpress:


Hrm, you've got competing priorities here. The more successful you are producing porn, the more likely it will be that your alter ego will be stumbled upon by someone you know.


You are right about that. There is no easy solution.

At the same time, I feel like doing some porn shoots would be on the short list of things that I would like to do in life. Having seen so much of what's out there, and seeing so many aspects of shoots both done well and done poorly, I know that I could synthesize some of those elements together with my own style to produce something unique. I really feel like at some point in life, I just have to do this. Edited on Oct 14, 2014, 05:27pm

10-14-14  03:52pm - 68 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #13
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Originally Posted by Parsnip:


For that they have to take everything thrown at them, with a queue of guys with jacked-up boners doing scene after scene, 20-30 minutes to shoot each. If the pain gets too bad they just have to stick an anaesthetic in their ass and carry on - no finish, no pay.


Couldn't see myself doing that. Despite my support for Kink.com and the likes here, that wouldn't be my style. I would definitely go for artistic scenes, mostly solo girl with some girl on girl, and some kinky stuff mixed in, but nothing that requires rectal anesthetics.

10-13-14  02:23pm - 69 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #7
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Originally Posted by pat362:


Let me first say that if you decide that your wife will appear on screen than please do not use mask or any other method to hide her face. I don't think I'm alone in saying that a porn scene where you do not see the performers face is not worth watching.


Yeah, you're probably right about this. That's why the idea would be to hire talent. It's more as a side note that I mentioned this stuff with my wife. She would never want to show her face, and I would not push her. Although she may be my biggest inspiration, and the reason why I could see myself forking over $10,000+ for camera, lenses, lighting, etc, our shoots will have to stay private. There won't be much commercial potential in anything done behind a mask, so if we wanted to share them they would be free or bonus shoots.

Originally Posted by pat362:


Second most important question you must ask yourself is. How much money can you afford to lose? If you do not have at least $10,000 to $30,000 that you can live without than don't read any of the other questions.


I comfortably spent over $5,000 just on consuming porn over the past year. If you read my posts, I mentioned that I purchased copies of some sites that I missed out on directly from the webmasters, and this cost real money in a few cases. I think some of the numbers you quote are still on the low end relative to even a medium scale operation, but if things keep going well in my line of work, it will not be a problem in a few years.

Originally Posted by pat362:


Do you live in or around Los Angeles or possibly near Miami?


My wife loves LA, so we visit quite a bit. If I ever did anything, I think the plan would be to get it done during a trip to LA and keep it discreet. Edited on Oct 13, 2014, 02:29pm

10-12-14  06:03pm - 70 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - #3
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Mostly talking about hiring talent. As a side note though, my wife has been doing some shoots for me, and she is an ex-model although she never did any porn. If we ever made any of our shoots public, it would be along the lines of cheatingxxxwife.com and kinkyhousewife.net (both closed) where the model always kept her face hidden in a Mardi Gras mask.

10-12-14  04:54pm - 70 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (47 Posts) - Original Post - #1
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Keeping involvement in porn quiet

This is a question for the professionals here. How realistic is it to think that work producing porn could be done without friends and extended family knowing? This has been a fantasy of mine, and I'm sure it's a common one, but I'm getting to a point in life where the means to make this happen will be available soon. My wife isn't the issue. She loves porn too, and she runs a couple of non-adult related e-businesses. The issue would be our parents, our kids when we eventually have them, and our mainstream connections in our lines of work.

My guess is that it would be pretty hard to keep it quiet. Any other thoughts?

10-07-14  06:05pm - 75 days Do you edit picture sets? (13 Posts) - #8
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I don't edit picture sets anymore, although I used to. HD space just isn't limited the way it once was, although my time now is.

10-06-14  03:46pm - 76 days Do they have a list of site have chinese traffic? (9 Posts) - #2
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Not exactly what you are looking for, but here you can find the top chinese porn search keywords.

http://www.pornmd.com/sex-search

10-01-14  04:30pm - 81 days More Random Levity (72 Posts) - #55
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Working 80-120 hours/week has kept me too busy to post much lately, or to surf for porn unfortunately. Anyway, of all the bad porn related posts on EBW, I thought some of these were actually funny:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/84299055/

09-07-14  04:16pm - 105 days Usenet (22 Posts) - #2
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Usenet is mostly pirated stuff, and in the year 2014, who still goes there anyway? There are still some amateurs who upload their pics and videos there, but why they don't go for any number of the free image and video hosting sites available today is a mystery to me. Usenet makes me a little nervous when it comes to porn, due to their ongoing history of hosting the type of content I would not even want to accidentally stumble across. If Usenet was once the wild west, it is now mostly a ghost town. It amazes me that people still post stuff there, but they do.

08-22-14  07:08pm - 121 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (28 Posts) - #27
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Glad you are still going strong! Needless to say, AW was amazing in the 2000's, and is still amazing now. While the overall industry seems to have hit a slow patch recently, it's great to see sites like AW that are bucking the trend. Edited on Aug 22, 2014, 07:17pm

08-19-14  04:19pm - 124 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (28 Posts) - #23
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bodyparts.biz



This the site that I regret missing the most. It hurt all the more that I was in touch with the photographer after closing, yet she wouldn't sell anything for personal use, not even for an over the top amount of cash.

Check out her landing page now: http://bodyparts.biz

Her domain name is expired, but the server is still running: http://199.59.95.236

Her old blog is still here on her server with her old free samples, if you missed out, and you want just a taste: http://199.59.95.236/wp/

I have more to say about this site, but I am too busy tonight. It is the one that got away though, and I regret it a lot. Edited on Aug 19, 2014, 04:29pm

08-10-14  05:56pm - 133 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (28 Posts) - #22
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Thanks again lk2fireone for starting this thread, it hits close to the heart of why I collect porn.

I think that we are in a golden age of porn of historic proportions. Mainstream porn seems to have had its first golden age in the 70's and 80's, but this right now is really the first golden age porn having to do with my favorite genre. It's never come into the mainstream like this before in such a great quantity. It's easy to take it all for granted and because of that, so many consumers and producers alike don't put a lot of effort into preserving older content. I think this is a mistake, but it will only be widely realized years down the road.

Check out this exhibit on lost art: http://galleryoflostart.com/

Also check out this article on lost films: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_film

And this quote from the article:

The largest cause of silent film loss was intentional destruction, as silent films were perceived as having little or no commercial value after the end of the silent era by 1930. Film preservationist Robert A. Harris has said, "Most of the early films did not survive because of wholesale junking by the studios. There was no thought of ever saving these films. They simply needed vault space and the materials were expensive to house."


Aren't the parallels to older porn striking? Much porn from the 1990's to today will be lost for this reason. There is too much porn out there overall for one person to put a dent in any sort of effort at preservation, so I chose to take a narrow focus. While I like solo girl and hardcore as much as the next guy, I chose to build a collection of epic proportions around my absolute favorite niche - pee fetish porn - a niche that has recently come to explode like never before in history. My goal is simple - to download all pee fetish porn online. I am at the half way point right now, having all pee fetish porn from hundreds of sites after hitting the largest ones first, and there is no stopping now. The greatest satisfaction for me is not just when I add an additional site to my collection, but when I recover one that has closed, or when I get to a good site before the lights go out.

So what will eventually happen with my collection? I will ensure that it lives on in some way or another, but I'm still only 30, so that is a long ways away.

As for the sites that have been missed, some may yet be recovered, while others will be near totally lost. There are some absolutely amazing ones that have closed, and they will never be seen in entirety again. I look at these photos and videos, and I see everything from snapshots and point-and-shoot camera work, to the work of talented artists who have gone off the beaten path into porn, and failed commercially.

Some of the partial copies of lost sites in my collection are so stunning, yet so irrevocably lost, that they are somewhat painful to look at even years after the fact. I have been thinking lately that, while I cannot recover these sites, I can take inspiration from them and start my own. If things keep going as planned, I will have the resources for a professional operation in a matter of years. The biggest obstacle will be convincing my wife. I mean, she loves porn, and she does run a few non-adult websites, but still. Let's just say we're working on it. I feel so strongly about porn, as you guys know, that I am increasingly feeling that this is something that I need to do. Edited on Aug 10, 2014, 06:19pm

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