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10-21-14  04:16am - 19 hrs Keeping involvement in porn quiet (27 Posts) - #27
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On the positive side, it's never been easier to start your own site. That's a detriment when it comes to the immediate profitability, but if money's not the primary focus, it's more than realistic to aim for creating great content and building a following.

In fact, you may consider using a platform like tumblr, possibly in tandem with a micro-paysite to monetise any hardcore fanbase you might build.

10-16-14  04:50am - 5 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (688 Posts) - #721
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Thanks for adding Khan, and for the review Jook!

10-15-14  09:09am - 6 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (27 Posts) - #16
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Originally Posted by Parsnip:


Those rates quoted above for Kink seem high to me. I guess even today with the dead porn market they are so brutal and violent that they have to pay more.

10 years ago the going rate was $800 for a single straight scene, $1200 including anal. Now you would be lucky to get 1/3 of that.

The girls in Eastern Europe have it worse. They get paid 300 euros ($350) for a nominal half day shoot - 4 hours shooting however long it takes to set up. For that they have to take everything thrown at them, with a queue of guys with jacked-up boners doing scene after scene, 20-30 minutes to shoot each. If the pain gets too bad they just have to stick an anaesthetic in their ass and carry on - no finish, no pay.

Many porn consumers are mysoginists and like it that way. Many more have so little emotional intelligence that they have convinced themselves that the fixed grin on the girl's face as she takes the third cock up her ass means she is enjoying it. She isn't. Most of the time, however desperate they are, one shoot is enough.

As I said before, my wife's sister did porn for 2 weeks, several years ago, and she is still paying for it. Really, it isn't a business to get into.


While I don't doubt that the worst examples exceed this dreary account, it's not at all the standard. Sites like ATK, Met Art, and Hegre-Art pay Eastern European models no less than Western European models, and treat them fine (they are all solo erotica sites, however). The preference for Eastern European models on a lot of sites arises because the fixed rate for a scene is more attractive in Eastern European countries (€500 goes a lot further in Bucharest than it does in London). Additionally, I've heard photographers saying Eastern European models are easier to work with; punctual, professional, and so on. Finally, for some reason, they're more often of the body type glamour sites favour (slender and delicate).

We don't shoot a lot of Eastern European models at abbywinters.com (because we're not in Eastern Europe and all of our content is exclusive and shot in-house). That said, Eastern European models have on occasion come to us; we paid them the same rate we would any other model, and were as respectful as usual.

As for rates, we can't disclose specifics, but out models earn hundreds of Euros per shoot (how many hundreds depends on how explicit the shoot is). Ordinarily models who shoot for us do a string of shoots all in one go over the course of a week or two; providing they are up for girl-girl and/or girl-boy, they might walk away with a couple of grand. As an amateur site, though, we don't have ongoing 'porn-stars' on the site; for most of our models, appearing on our site is a short walk on the wild side with a tidy sum for something fun.

10-14-14  04:47am - 7 days Keeping involvement in porn quiet (27 Posts) - #11
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Hrm, you've got competing priorities here. The more successful you are producing porn, the more likely it will be that your alter ego will be stumbled upon by someone you know.

10-10-14  05:38am - 11 days Sites Not Listed On "The Best Porn" (688 Posts) - #713
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I came across an Australian-themed site the other day, aussieass.com. I often like to use TBP/PU to gather a bit of intel and get a gist of what a site's about, but these guys aren't listed on either.

10-09-14  08:04am - 12 days Do they have a list of site have chinese traffic? (9 Posts) - #9
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lol, good luck mate. Most serious paysites don't sell ad-space (it shits of the members, who rightly feel that by paying they needn't have to deal with ads). Not sure about Brazzers specifically, but as one of the biggest studios out there, if the do sell adspace it's not going to be cheap.

Perhaps GFY would be a better place for this line of questioning? It's an affiliate discussion board, just google 'GFY affiliates' and you should find it.

10-08-14  10:09am - 13 days The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change (46 Posts) - #46
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I'd love to visit USA in person to experience these freedoms, but I'm a little intimidated by the closed borders, invasive TSA, and the fact that it has the world's second highest incarceration rate (ahead of Russia, China, Iran, all of the Middle East, and all of Africa! My home country isn't even in the top 100).

But you're right, this isn't the place. I'd like to reply on-topic, but in both my home country and the country I'm living in right now, prostitution is legalised and regulated. So again, I'm unable to relate due to not being a free American.

10-07-14  03:20am - 14 days The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change (46 Posts) - #43
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Well I'm not American, but I must disagree, Cybertoad. The American Constitution is a landmark document in the history of democracy and political rights, but it's not inviolable. After all, they are called 'amendments' - 'changes' of which many have been applied, and will continue to get applied. There is a rigorously controlled system to amend the constitution, and that is how all the amendments got there in the first place. For instance, the 13th amendment was added to the constitution to abolish slavery, after the civil war. The most recent amendment was added in 1992. 10 amemndments were added in the last 100 years, of which one was responsible for prohibition (and was later repealed).

My point is that in the American system of government, the constitution isn't a holy document of unbreakable commandments. It is normal and acceptable for amendments to get added and repealed, and sensible systems govern that process.

More to the point, repealing or elaborating upon the second amendment wouldn't threaten the first amendment any more than any of the other many changes to the constitution did. They are entirely separate amendments about unrelated topics.

Finally, it's my understanding that the mainstream anti-gun position in the US is not actually focussed on repealing the second amendment so much as enforcing it (specifically, the part about only have the right to bear arms as part of a well regulated militia).

10-03-14  05:00am - 18 days The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change (46 Posts) - #40
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It's pretty simple, I think; if the FCC doesn't pull their finger out and reclassify the internet as a common carrier, then Verizon TWC and Comcast will eventually succeed in eliminating net neutrality. This will turn the internet into a glorified cable service.

In America.

Currently, America is undoubtedly the hub of the internet. If net neutrality crumbles there, the internet will still be 'free' everywhere else, and we'll just see a migration of focus, probably to the EU (which already boasts faster average speeds and superior infrastructure anyway). Additionally, the multilayered regulatory environment of the EU makes it exceptionally harder for plutocrats to hijack.

10-02-14  02:53am - 19 days Foreign sites (14 Posts) - #11
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Check out ishotmyself.com, they're a great 'indy' site, and friends of ours.

10-01-14  02:29am - 20 days Foreign sites (14 Posts) - #7
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Cheers for that, Khan; I had no idea.

Even despite this French review site, I'm dubious as to whether there are going to be many significant sites that offer exclusive content, not to the US market. It'd just be a weird business choice; the US market is huge and accessible. The language barrier doesn't explain it, either. English is just so widespread, particularly amongst web developers and coders (because programming languages and internet standards sort of lean on English as an assumed basis).

09-30-14  09:15am - 21 days Foreign sites (14 Posts) - #5
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I know of a french porn review site, not sure if linking to it is kosher, howerver. Shoot us an email at abby@abbywinters.com and I'll shoot you back a link.

09-26-14  05:07am - 25 days What was your favorite scene or porn star you watched today ? (7 Posts) - #8
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Originally Posted by graymane:


Just let me seize on this moment to deliver a belated, but all-important collection of fact that I feel bears our keen attention, appreciation, and certainly generous recognition of the out-pouring good fortunate bestowed upon PU website, and particularly our beloved forum.......
And for those who haven't gathered, The subject of whom I'm pleased to address associated with the above honors is non-other than our AWpress.
Based on my personal observation ....
The participants/owners behind this name have been a cornucopia of vital, educational and informative data from inside the industry as well as their personal touch on addressing our porn related issues.
A hardy bow and tip of the hat to you, AWpress for your generosity and presence to our close nit community.

Thanks for the kind words, Graymane; that's high praise coming from such a well regarded and longstanding community member.

09-26-14  05:03am - 25 days The PU forum is now emoji-powered! (13 Posts) - #4
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👌 Nice.

09-24-14  04:49am - 27 days What was your favorite scene or porn star you watched today ? (7 Posts) - #2
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Hrm, well by virtue of working at a porn studio, most of the porn I see hasn't been released yet. That said, I did see a great girl-boy scene that just got released today. Gisela and Henk are a real life couple, so their scene was very sweet and playful- lots of kisses and smiles.

09-24-14  04:45am - 27 days 18 only girls X Wow Girls (12 Posts) - #12
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You said it, Cybertoad, the economic pinch squeezes especially hard on luxuries. While we're not barnstorming like we used to, we're still going strong- we'll be waiting for you at the other side!

Back to OP- other sites that do good girl-girl and solo content; femjoy.com/joymii.com/nutabu.com. All sister sites, slightly different flavours, all great. Femjoy is very softcore solo erotic photography, joymii is more porny and hardcore (and features girl-girl and girl-boy), nutabu is... hard to describe- globetrotting gonzo smut, I guess.

09-23-14  02:30am - 28 days 18 only girls X Wow Girls (12 Posts) - #10
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Thanks for the feedback on price guys. Having a hefty pricetag like ours does put us above the price point of some potential customers, but there is a practical element to it as well - we shoot 100% exclusive content, in-house; we train all of our own shooters, prospect our own genuine amateur models (i.e. no casting agencies), shoot our own scenes, and edit them in house. In the traditional sense, we're a 'studio'. A lot of the bigger sites outsource all of that; the models, the shooters, the editors, even premade imagesets and videos are often bought a budget prices from 3rd party contractors. This is cost effective, but it does result in unreliable quality, and a 'samey' flavour that comes with a loss of creative control.

The proposition of competing with aggregator sites like these on the basis of price is a hopeless one. If we try that with our current model, we'd just fail. The alternative would be to become more like them, drop member rates, and loosen up on the exclusivity and creative control to hire external contractors (not necessarily an awful idea). We weighed it up (and took in a lot of feedback), and decided to go the other way- specialise in our niche, focus on making great content in our own style, and essentially be a costlier premium 'boutique' studio site. It doesn't do us favours as far as capturing the mass market (we'll leave that to Brazzers), but we are a hit with afficionados of the niches to which we cater.

09-19-14  05:28am - 32 days 18 only girls X Wow Girls (12 Posts) - #4
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If it's lesbian and solo girl stuff you like, you might be a fan of our site. The flavour is a little different; mostly very youthful and happy models, but no make-up, airbrushing, or fake-ness.

Here's our review on TBP.

09-17-14  06:54am - 34 days Usenet (21 Posts) - #21
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Grr. Predatory billing practices like that suck.

09-12-14  04:06am - 39 days Usenet (21 Posts) - #15
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I don't look back on this era with too much nostalgia, but one thing that I think we cold really bring back is how computing came with a basic level of DIY programming and even electronics. I think it'd be good to bring that stuff into the basic high school curriculum (e.g. Ok guys, here's a raspberry pi each; attach these LEDs to it, and write a program to control how they flash).

09-11-14  09:58am - 40 days Usenet (21 Posts) - #11
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My first computer was an Amstrad; the thing took cassette tapes, and it's OS was a console that only accepted commands in BASIC. If you wanted to play a game, and you didn't have the cassette, then you literally had to type out the source code in BASIC.

Classic.

09-09-14  10:18am - 42 days Usenet (21 Posts) - #7
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Usenet, lol.

09-04-14  07:36am - 47 days When age is drying up your creative juices, who'ya gonna call? (16 Posts) - #17
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Because he's the hero Pornusers deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Mod.

09-04-14  07:30am - 47 days the danger of cloud based systems (19 Posts) - #12
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Originally Posted by biker:


I finally bought a new computer game after ten years of playing my favorites and wanting something new. To my surprise, I have to be part of a client server called Steam. Now any member can see everything I do with the game. How well I play and how often.

We live in a strange new world, now that we have the internet. You give up some of your privacy the minute you enter this vast universe. Friends and family want me to join one of those social networks, but your not just sending your thoughts to a few friends, but to the whole world. That is not what I want. I like my life kept private. Might as well live in a glass house.


Steam raises a good counterpoint; this is a non-invasive, generally ethical piece of cloud software (I'd say). By that, I mean, they don't have misleading or predatory terms and practises, and don't use the software as a bait and switch to load up your computer with DRM and malware (like aforementioned real player). Rather, it is a pretty straight forward, what-you-see-is-what-you-get cloud games market - they let you buy games, hosting your user profile in the cloud. The main benefit of that is having your games collection bought and paid for, stored online- on a different computer you can log in as yourself, and have access to your games and save files. Pretty cool. The downside, for some, is that you play in a public space.

That said, having a public profile on a service like steam is not too different from eating at a cafe in town. Everyone can see you, what you ordered, what you eat, what you don't eat, and how fast you eat it. Nobody cares, though, because there are millions of people eating in public every day, and it's just not remarkable. So it is with steam; why should a stranger care to view your profile amongst millions? Why should you care that they might? What about someone you know? How would they find your profile?

This returns me to the idea that in the internet age, privacy only exists when you actively create it. In the case of a steam example, you would want to register an account from a unique email address, and keep it's details hidden (refuge in anonymity). Or, buy your games off good old games (gog.com) which is not 'in the cloud'.

The internet is becoming more and more like the mall, and less like the wild west. This isn't all bad; it's more convenient and bountiful, and the culture is a little more civil. Unlike the mall, though, it's still totally acceptable for you to walk around in a balaclava, if that's what you want to do.

09-03-14  04:34am - 48 days Another moratorium. (19 Posts) - #13
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


That would be a lot of testing, especially given how often some performers could be shooting, though it would be better than nothing, and certainly better than the current monthly testing regimen. But it still wouldn't be foolproof. "False positives," like the one in this recent moratorium, only make people stop shooting and take a few extra, if temporary, precautions.

"False negatives," on the other hand, could lead to a lethal sense of good health, since the window period for enough HIV antibodies and antigens to develop could be too long for a test to detect them. And it's why AIDS/HIV has become a global pandemic; though ultimately deadly, it works so slowly that it allows for a lot of transmission before it can even be detected with a test, much less show symptoms.

Sadly, the bottom line is no matter how risky porn will be for its performers health-wise it will always be in enough demand to justify those risks. And while I enjoy the occasional boy-girl scene but would be fine with my favorite performers doing only solo or girl-girl (though even those are still risky, especially given how hardcore they have progressed in recent years), I know this just isn't a workable reality for most performers.

It's going to take a cultural change within the industry; primarily to step away from unprotected, or possibly all, "outside work," whether it's called escorting or "private scenes." And maybe to even expect a certain amount of monogamy in their private sexual lives generally, especially if they wish to work more than a few months and avoid the risk of shortening their lives as well.

Maybe I'm asking too much, but I really hope not.

You make a fine point on the risk of false negatives. Overall it's a real catch 22.

I will note, though, that models' private sex lives are a far greater risk than potential escorting work. Professional escorts, where such work is legal, tend to be very health conscious (their livelihood depends on it, after all). Much more so than those partaking in casual sex/pickups/dating, which is where I think the real risk lies.

09-03-14  04:27am - 48 days Another moratorium. (19 Posts) - #12
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That is possibly the most polite way I've heard someone describe the escorting most of the performers now do on a regular basis. I know that 30 years ago performers did the same thing but life was very different than it is today and the total number of performer was quite small when compared to today. Not to mention that everyone knew each other so there was a certain amount of respect among the talent and the various companies that I don't believe exist today.
That wasn't my intended implicationl I meant their private sex lives. I can't speak for the industry as a whole, but for the models on our site, the overwhelming majority don't do any escorting, or stripping. Granted we're an amateur site. Really, though, these three different kinds of sex work offer vastly different things that generally appeal to different people with different priorities.

Porn - pays well, infrequent work, lots of control/safety, prearranged partners and posing levels, very public/indiscreet.

Escorting - pays very well, frequent work, no prior knowledge of partners or sex acts, very discreet.

Stripping - pays ok, frequent work, no sex required, somewhat discreet, reasonably controlled/safe.

Speaking in huge generalisations here, but overlaps aren't as common as one might expect, and if anything there's often a bit of attitude between these different varieties of sex work (it's easy for each type to look down upon the other two).

Originally Posted by pat362:

Not sure if this is imposed but it was strongly advised that talent be tested every two weeks and I believe cost is about 185$ for the works. Seeing as some test have a 7 to 10 day period to be truly accurate than a two week test is more an illusion than a reality.
I'm not familiar with the industry-wide standards. Our models are considered 'in test' for 4 weeks after the test, but they generally only shoot once or twice, shortly after getting tested. We don't have 'full timers', so to speak.



Originally Posted by pat362:

I don't believe that current technology allows for a truly accurate same day test and therefore doing that will be a waste of money. I believe forcing studios to pay for the test was one of the things AB1576 was going to accomplish but since the industry didn't want it than the performer is still the one fronting the bill. Good luck getting the government to pay for a test when the industry doesn't want government involvement in the first place.
Well, my suggestion was more that the government just offer free testing for everyone, and that the industry could then use that service.

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Not sure what the tax laws are in the States but unless studios can deduct the cost of the test from their income taxes than even the big guys would be in serious trouble. In fact the bigger studios would be in bigger trouble if only because they shoot a lot more porn and hire a lot more performers.
Ah yep, good point. Even with tax deduction, it does increase the overheads, reducing overall liquidiy- I'm no bean counter, though.

09-03-14  04:15am - 48 days Another moratorium. (19 Posts) - #11
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


^^^^^

How much does an average test cost, this would help others to understand the who process cost wise.


CT


It really depends on the location, the clinic, and the specific arrangement. With a regular clinic with which there exists a negotiated arrangement, it can quite cheap (less than a hundred bucks)- but that's only good if the shoot, the model, the location all fit into the terms of that arrangement/schedule.

For a one-off, it can be a few hundred bucks.

09-03-14  04:04am - 48 days Has anybody watched the recent Maddy O’Reilly scene at Brazzers? (5 Posts) - #6
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They ought to get pay-per-scene, to capture potential sales like you guys; unwilling to subscribe, but interested in a specific scene.

09-02-14  07:48am - 49 days Happy Labor Day ! (4 Posts) - #4
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Woot! Three cheers for Monday!

09-02-14  07:46am - 49 days the danger of cloud based systems (19 Posts) - #5
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Society is in the throes of information adolescence; we're having growing pains as we deal with how insufficient traditional concepts of privacy are in the information age. The solution will be for us to re-imagine what privacy is, and when it can be presumed. In the past, privacy could be presumed more or less most of the time, even in public places. Nowadays, privacy can only be presumed if you've taken active steps to create it. At all other times we must consider that our words and actions are no longer private. It sucks, but it's just one of the negative ramifications of a generally positive information revolution.

09-02-14  07:42am - 49 days Another moratorium. (19 Posts) - #7
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^^I wish you hadn't posted what you did because you're quite wrong. The system does not work. It never has up to now and this latest event is just more proof. The fact that a moratorium was imposed and that a list of first generation patients was created means that the lady in question had unprotected sex with multiple partners while she might have been infected. That's basically saying that the other chickens are safe after the fox has eaten a couple of them and been caught by the farmer. The dead chickens aren't coming back, the other chickens are scared shitless because that could have been them and there is always another fox just around the corner waiting to eat the other chickens.

The only way the system will work is if the performer has a positive test result prior to shooting and is told that she can't shoot because of the positive result. Anything else is a crap shoot. I don't know if you gamble but the house always wins in the end. The other option is condoms but we know how much the industry loves condoms.

The only good news in this case is that it appears the performer had a false positive so the moratorium is already lifted.


The tricky thing is practicality; tests take time and money, and models have private lives and sleep with people in non-professional unregulatable contexts.

Currently, as I understand it, models take regular STI tests (monthly, in our case) and are asked to refrain from unprotected sex for the duration of time that they are considered 'in test' (i.e. having had a clean test within the last month). The issue is, what's to say a model practices unsafe sex off camera and doesn't say so or get retested? Enforcing regular testing is a strategy to manage that (otherwise a model could take one test and be considered 'in test' forever, if they were to be taken at their word for practicing safe sex only).

A particular benefit we enjoy to performer safety is that most of our models only shoot once, and none of them shoot on an ongoing, regular basis. So for us it's easy to arrange the test to immediately precede any shoots, to minimise the period of time between a model's test, and any shoots they do. This isn't plausible for other sites that need to regularly shoot with the same talent, however.

The only watertight solution would be to have a fresh test for every performer, for every shoot day. The problem there is prohibitive costs. The two obvious solutions would be (a) to force studios to front that cost, or (b) to make STI tests free for everyone (i.e. the government pays).

I strongly lean in favour of option (b)- free STI testing paid for by the government health budget is just an all round good idea for society, not just porn. A walk-in STI clinic funded by the public purse would be a great way to encourage greater sexual in modern society. In some places, this is already available to some extent. In other places, there is some cultural resistance to social welfare- USA is one of those places, so I'm not sure whether it's a realistic proposition for the US industry.

Option (a) is doable, the costs sure could come out of studio profits. However, this probably would decimate a lot of smaller studios that are already struggling. The big ones could handle it, though. Also, returning to the US, just as there's a cultural predisposition towards 'socialistic' public welfare programs, there's also a bias against industry regulation too. I'm not sure which bias is greater, though.

Let's not forget also that regulations are all good and well, but meaningless without systems of compliance and enforcement, which cost money themselves. If the government is going to fork out to regulate, they might as well fork out to provide harm-preventative services.

08-29-14  05:27am - 53 days Another moratorium. (19 Posts) - #2
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Yeah, here's an article on XBIZ

It's always bad news to hear of this kind of thing, and our best wishes go to the folks in LA. If we want to look at the positive side, this is the system working; a model has tested positive, and a moratorium is in effect to protect others in the industry.

08-29-14  05:21am - 53 days Other review sites (17 Posts) - #5
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Dealing with review sites is a part of my job; there are plenty of other review sites, but none come to mind as being quite like pornusers.com (active user-driven reviews).

If you were looking for substitutes to 'thebestporn.com', there's a lot of comparable competition - but still, none that I know of are quite as prominent, comprehensive, well curated, impartial, spam-free, and easy to use (all at once).

TBP is probably the best review site out there, and has a very good rep for this reason. Pornusers isn't for everyone (for instance, the reviews are by their nature very subjective), but it offers something fairy unique: a place for porn enthusiasts to share opinions openly, to build a community even, and sometimes even engage the paysites themselves to offer feedback and resolve disputes in the open air.

08-29-14  05:12am - 53 days When age is drying up your creative juices, who'ya gonna call? (16 Posts) - #4
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Keep at it, Greymane; writing is it's own reward. Also, keep in mind that the forum might not be as busy as it once was.

08-29-14  05:08am - 53 days Based on experience - why bother join pay sites? (15 Posts) - #3
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Cool tip, if you use gmail, you can put the sitename into the email address you supply them after a '+' symbol. For example:

myemailaddress@gmail.com

becomes

myemailaddress+yourspammywebsite@gmail.com

The email address still works, and mail to the modified address will come to your inbox as normal - except the 'to:' address will indicate the full, modified email. This way, if you start getting a lot of spam, you can look at the 'to:' address to see which site sold your details to spammers.

Anyhow, as to why you should buy porn, I'm in slight disagreement with pat362 above- I don't think it's up to people to do it because it's the right thing to do. Instead, I think paysites have a sink-or-swim responsibility to make paying better than the free stuff. And plenty of sites do.

Free porn, (both from affiliate sites, and unlicenced filesharing sites), comes with a lot of spam, ads, adware, spyware, and malware. The quality is generally lower. The range is generally better.

Paysites ought not to spam their customer-base; if you pay to use a site, you shouldn't have to expect ads, and certainly not malware. The quality should be higher. Navigation should be safer and easier.

Of course, there are shitty sites that take money, and then go ahead and spam the hell out of their users. The best protection against that is being informed, and sites like this one are a great way of getting informed.

For the industry as a whole to overcome freeporn, paid porn will need to offer similar or better range than the free stuff. At the moment, videobox is the best example of that, but there's still a long way to go. The folks here are working on a site called myporn.com that seems to be aiming at similar goalposts (a single curated and aggregated resource). Porn needs a netflix, itunes, spotify, steam, googleplay equivalent.

Disclaimer: the above opinion comes from someone working for a paysite.

08-28-14  10:09am - 54 days I got cheated by GGG bigtime. (4 Posts) - #5
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I don't get how it even makes sense to treat customers this way. I mean, surely it's better to build trust and repeat business, no? The average porn user isn't someone who subscribes to a single site once and then never again- they come back if you treat them well and run a half-decent site.

We make it pretty straight forward to join without rebills, or cancel them via our site, the billing site, emailing us, or emailing the biller. Sure it makes it easy for people to leave, but it also means there's no bad blood stopping them from coming back.

Seems like the obvious way to do things.

08-26-14  07:17am - 56 days Does anybody find this overkill of finger- sucking having any worthwhile purpose? (9 Posts) - #10
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Let's not overlook the potential practical applications of a finger with a bit of 'nature's lube' on it!

08-25-14  07:57am - 57 days OFFICIAL: Our Social Media Links (3 Posts) - #4
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08-22-14  06:37am - 60 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (26 Posts) - #26
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Perhaps we should also acknowledge sites that have survived for the past 10 years or longer...


We're approaching 15 years! Started in 2000 (just).

08-18-14  07:43am - 64 days MMA Fighter Wanted After Vicious Attack on Christy Mack (14 Posts) - #13
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Originally Posted by graymane:


In the case of this ass-hole reportedly being a professional fighter .....
If the penalty still holds ....it's my judgment he can also be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.



Well, by Christy's account, he was armed with a kitchen knife, so that's a given.

08-15-14  06:52am - 67 days Lauren Bacall Dies at 89 (6 Posts) - #6
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Originally Posted by graymane:


Bogart and Lauren were a made couple.
Apparently Bogie mastered the art of whistle.

I donno , though..... Casablanca, the film immortalizing Bogie's final words to Ingrid Bergman, in his attempt at convincing his teary-eyed lover to board a plane out of the country without him, might just have trumped Lauren's sultry vocal, as a mainstay catch phase that catches on.

I mean, how do you beat "here's looking at you, kid."


Fun fact: that line was ad libbed.

08-13-14  04:01am - 69 days MMA Fighter Wanted After Vicious Attack on Christy Mack (14 Posts) - #5
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That's awful. Gah; his tweets whilst on the run aren't doing him any favours:

Originally Posted by warmachine:

I'm not a bad guy, I went to surprise my gf, help her set up her show and to give her an engagement ring and ended up fighting for my life.


Originally Posted by warmachine:

The cops will never give me fair play, never believe me. Still deciding what to do but at the end of the day it's all just heart breaking.


Originally Posted by warmachine:

I only wish that man hadn't been there and that Christy & I would behappily engaged.I don't know y I'm so cursed.One day truth will come out


By Christie's account, it sounds like it was going to be a lot worse than it was, if she hadn't have escaped. Edited on Aug 14, 2014, 06:48am

08-12-14  01:56am - 70 days Upcoming Movie Thread (1202 Posts) - #1227
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No, no, I loved the trailer that featured 'hooked on a feelin' rather heavily. It was a sci-fi adventure trailer with a comedy feel.

08-11-14  08:57am - 71 days Upcoming Movie Thread (1202 Posts) - #1225
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Sold. I was exactly as you say: on the fence. I'm glad it's as good as I'd hoped it might be. I'll see it this weekend.

08-08-14  07:04am - 74 days Is it overall in Porn's best interest to run tube sites out of Dodge? (11 Posts) - #11
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Originally Posted by biker:


Is this why when I go to a tube site I see a video that looks more like an advertisement for the site it came from then an actual stolen video? I'm serious. I watched a video that started with a advertisement for the site. So the tube sites are actually being used to draw people to the some legit websites.

Yep, this is promotional content.

After some conflict, the major tube sites have gone 'legit', and feature primarily promotional content given to them by sites (and link to the paysite in question on the video page). They still have user-uploaded, unlicenced content, but they take it down when prodded to do so.

Originally Posted by biker:

What I have discovered, that never seems to get mentioned are "Porn Forums". You can go to them without being a member and do a search to find a specific video or porn star and download it so you have a permanent copy of your own. No need to visit a tube site to view it. Also it is complete. Whether it is a full porn film or a picture set, you get it complete. Tube sites typically only show you a portion of a video. These forums are growing in number, just like the tube sites and have a lot more to offer.
Porn forums are overwhelming unlicenced; they feature much more content, because their aim isn't to promote the paysite- they're just pirating. It's a losing game of whack-a-mole with porn forums; paysites pay agencies to defend their IP, issuing DMCA notices, writing legal letters, and what not. But porn forums are slippery; for every site or bit of content taken down, hundreds more get uploaded elsewhere.

Not to say fighting piracy is waste of time for paysites; nobody has the realistic goal of eradicating piracy at this stage of the game. Rather, by keeping the pressure on pirates, content creators hope to make downloading unlicenced content an unreliable, relatively frustrating exercise (with sites and pages constantly going up and down). Additionally, the pirates do half the work- whilst some pirates share files just for the love of it, many more try to make a buck; they often do this with ads, adware, malware, and spammy crap - at the same time, they often reduce the quality of the content they're sharing, so it's more efficient to share. This significantly damages the user experience on their site, enhancing the value of just paying for content.

Originally Posted by biker:

If this causes porn sites to collapse, where will they get their material? Somewhere a point has to be reached where websites can still exist or all porn will disappear from the internet. If it is a tube site or forum, they need legit websites as a source of material.

Porn producers are unlikely to collapse entirely; it's more like a war of attrition that grinds against their bottom line. Neither side is going to win, but it costs content creators more than the pirates to keep on fighting.

Still, no matter what, there will always be people creating content, for fun or for profit. Conversely, as long as we have a free and open internet, there will always be people sharing content. Neither the pirates, nor the content creators will ever be wiped out.

More likely, and indeed already transpiring, is that for-profit content creators will move away from trying to napalm piracy out of existence with lobbying and legislation; and instead start adopting inventive new business models that aren't as exposed to IP infringement (or aren't exposed at all). For instance, live camshows are immune to piracy, pretty much. A lot of online journalism, music videos and films have embedded, native advertising (the brand of car your favourite popstar or action hero drives isn't just a random creative decision, it's a bought and paid for business decision).

Porn is normally on the forefront of industry shifts like this, but I'd say this time porn is not. Way back when, big media freaked out about VCRs and audio cassettes, claiming that allowing the public to record, play, and share media would destroy the industry. It was obviously hyperbole, but back then one of the biggest supporters for legitimacy of VCRs was porn; who stood to benefit immensely from a world where you didn't need to go to a cinema to watch porn.

Still, lots of sites *are* experimenting with different models and strategies. We do, at abbywinters.com; for instance, we now have pay-per-scene, which allows members to make a one-time payment for content, then retain access to it forever in a digital locker hosted by us. This is an example of moving the money away from a transaction for access to content, and towards a service (in this case, a convenient, online, collection of HD porn). We're also introducing live shows soon, with abbywinters.com 'playdate'; another example of shifting posture to make IP infringement less of a problem.

There's still plenty that needs to be tried, and done, but many content creators are stepping up to the plate. Not just them, wider participants in the industry have identified the largely unexploited, upcoming niches, and are also working hard to place themselves at the right spot for when the wave crests. That's essentially what Manwin is trying to do, I suppose; the folks here at TBP are putting a lot of hard work and risk into a bold new model that might work better for consumers and creators, too.

Interesting times in an interesting business, no?

08-07-14  04:20am - 75 days Is it overall in Porn's best interest to run tube sites out of Dodge? (11 Posts) - #8
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I always thought what Manwin did was kind of clever. They swooped in, bought up all the tube sites, upped the quality of the videos to put pressure on paysites, then started buying up the paysites (who'd fallen on hard times as a result of Manwin's actions). Then, they reduced the quality of the tubes again, to funnel members back to the paysites they purchased.

It reads like a Lex Luthor scheme.

08-06-14  06:06am - 76 days Is it overall in Porn's best interest to run tube sites out of Dodge? (11 Posts) - #2
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I think we're seeing a cultural epoch unfolding before us. It affects porn, sure, but also many other industries. When we first got the internet, the immediate opportunity was drastically expanded distribution capability, with virtually no overhead. Enter the era of the paysite.

Along comes web 2.0; everyone becomes a content creator, everyone becomes a pirate. It is now easier than ever to publish your own material, it is now easier than ever to duplicate the published material of others.

This is where we are now; we're seeing big studios slog against the tide, but the obstacles are basically insurmountable. No law, no policy, no model is going to change the fact that the vast majority of people don't want to pay for content, won't pay for it, and don't have to.

So what then? Well that's where tube sites have come in, as something I expect to be a temporary measure, at least in their current form. Initially loaded with unlicenced content, tube sites have since adopted the affiliate, and ad-revenue model aggressively. Cam sites, in particular, seem to do better with tube ads than do paysites; perhaps because the psychology of live tipping brings up conversion. Why temporary? Well because the tube sites depend on the paysites for content, and the current situation isn't sustainable for a lot of paysite; currently porn consumers and tube sites win big, but paysites shoulder all the burdens and risk. That's because paysites only get paid when porn consumers purchase content from them directly, something they almost never do. Tube sites aren't going to pay for content up front either.

It's hard to predict where the industry is going, but I hesitate to indulge in doom and gloom. There is a greater demand, and supply, for porn than ever; the industry is just having trouble matching those two in the optimal way. Some clever fox will come up with a better way, and make a lot of money doing so. Actually, there'll likely be quite a few of these clever foxes. All that said, though, I think we can reason out the future to a certain extent; the subscription paysite model seems to be ailing. It suits a minority of porn consumers very well, and will always be around in some capacity for that reason, but is decreasingly viable for the mass market. Today's porn consumer is accustomed to incredible diversity of content, in low quality, at zero cost; trading the incredible range of content available for free, for higher quality content, isn't enough to get most people to pay. For this reason, I think the eventual model we arrive upon isn't going to be a consumer->studio relationship (as it is with studio paysites). Rather, if people are to pay, they're more likely to pay an aggregator of some sort, in return for diversity and high quality content. They'll probably pay in an unexpected way, too; as none of the current payment models are exploding. What does that mean for the studios of tomorrow? Well we might see the rise of the b2b (business to business) studio in porn, similar to how studios run in film and video games: porn studios may focus 100% on the production of content, and not even bother touching the publication and marketing thereof (which would be handled instead by some kind of publisher, or aggregator). Consider how you might buy a video game via Steam (a content aggregator/marketplace), the game might be published by EAGames (who paid for it to be created, and put it on steam, among other places), yet the game may have been developed by an independent studio working for EAGames on contract (you can't even buy the game directly off the studio). It's possible tube sites will evolve into this role, or that they'll wither and make way for the new guard.

07-30-14  04:25am - 83 days Brits declining Web filters ... (9 Posts) - #6
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


Personally I think children should be the responsibility of parents, but MPs never have the guts to say that.

Personally I think most MPs that purportedly do things for the sake of the children are being insincere, using that excuse because it's popular and hard to disagree with, whilst truly motivated by influential media lobbyists.

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Proxy paige rocks; but oh-how-right are you about the "pure nastiness" of her performances. She sure seems to enjoy herself, though!

07-23-14  06:21am - 90 days Big Hair Day (21 Posts) - #19
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Sorry turboshaft! No offence intended, just a stab in the dark.

Anyhow, I think I'd agree that there's a certain charm to an all natural girl, sans cosmetics, crumpled up in bed (or out hiking!).

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