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09-17-14  06:54am - 11 hrs Usenet (20 Posts) - #21
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Grr. Predatory billing practices like that suck.

09-12-14  04:06am - 5 days Usenet (20 Posts) - #15
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I don't look back on this era with too much nostalgia, but one thing that I think we cold really bring back is how computing came with a basic level of DIY programming and even electronics. I think it'd be good to bring that stuff into the basic high school curriculum (e.g. Ok guys, here's a raspberry pi each; attach these LEDs to it, and write a program to control how they flash).

09-11-14  09:58am - 6 days Usenet (20 Posts) - #11
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My first computer was an Amstrad; the thing took cassette tapes, and it's OS was a console that only accepted commands in BASIC. If you wanted to play a game, and you didn't have the cassette, then you literally had to type out the source code in BASIC.

Classic.

09-09-14  10:18am - 8 days Usenet (20 Posts) - #7
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Usenet, lol.

09-04-14  07:36am - 13 days When age is drying up your creative juices, who'ya gonna call? (16 Posts) - #17
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Because he's the hero Pornusers deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Mod.

09-04-14  07:30am - 13 days the danger of cloud based systems (14 Posts) - #12
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Originally Posted by biker:


I finally bought a new computer game after ten years of playing my favorites and wanting something new. To my surprise, I have to be part of a client server called Steam. Now any member can see everything I do with the game. How well I play and how often.

We live in a strange new world, now that we have the internet. You give up some of your privacy the minute you enter this vast universe. Friends and family want me to join one of those social networks, but your not just sending your thoughts to a few friends, but to the whole world. That is not what I want. I like my life kept private. Might as well live in a glass house.


Steam raises a good counterpoint; this is a non-invasive, generally ethical piece of cloud software (I'd say). By that, I mean, they don't have misleading or predatory terms and practises, and don't use the software as a bait and switch to load up your computer with DRM and malware (like aforementioned real player). Rather, it is a pretty straight forward, what-you-see-is-what-you-get cloud games market - they let you buy games, hosting your user profile in the cloud. The main benefit of that is having your games collection bought and paid for, stored online- on a different computer you can log in as yourself, and have access to your games and save files. Pretty cool. The downside, for some, is that you play in a public space.

That said, having a public profile on a service like steam is not too different from eating at a cafe in town. Everyone can see you, what you ordered, what you eat, what you don't eat, and how fast you eat it. Nobody cares, though, because there are millions of people eating in public every day, and it's just not remarkable. So it is with steam; why should a stranger care to view your profile amongst millions? Why should you care that they might? What about someone you know? How would they find your profile?

This returns me to the idea that in the internet age, privacy only exists when you actively create it. In the case of a steam example, you would want to register an account from a unique email address, and keep it's details hidden (refuge in anonymity). Or, buy your games off good old games (gog.com) which is not 'in the cloud'.

The internet is becoming more and more like the mall, and less like the wild west. This isn't all bad; it's more convenient and bountiful, and the culture is a little more civil. Unlike the mall, though, it's still totally acceptable for you to walk around in a balaclava, if that's what you want to do.

09-03-14  04:34am - 14 days Another moratorium. (12 Posts) - #13
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


That would be a lot of testing, especially given how often some performers could be shooting, though it would be better than nothing, and certainly better than the current monthly testing regimen. But it still wouldn't be foolproof. "False positives," like the one in this recent moratorium, only make people stop shooting and take a few extra, if temporary, precautions.

"False negatives," on the other hand, could lead to a lethal sense of good health, since the window period for enough HIV antibodies and antigens to develop could be too long for a test to detect them. And it's why AIDS/HIV has become a global pandemic; though ultimately deadly, it works so slowly that it allows for a lot of transmission before it can even be detected with a test, much less show symptoms.

Sadly, the bottom line is no matter how risky porn will be for its performers health-wise it will always be in enough demand to justify those risks. And while I enjoy the occasional boy-girl scene but would be fine with my favorite performers doing only solo or girl-girl (though even those are still risky, especially given how hardcore they have progressed in recent years), I know this just isn't a workable reality for most performers.

It's going to take a cultural change within the industry; primarily to step away from unprotected, or possibly all, "outside work," whether it's called escorting or "private scenes." And maybe to even expect a certain amount of monogamy in their private sexual lives generally, especially if they wish to work more than a few months and avoid the risk of shortening their lives as well.

Maybe I'm asking too much, but I really hope not.

You make a fine point on the risk of false negatives. Overall it's a real catch 22.

I will note, though, that models' private sex lives are a far greater risk than potential escorting work. Professional escorts, where such work is legal, tend to be very health conscious (their livelihood depends on it, after all). Much more so than those partaking in casual sex/pickups/dating, which is where I think the real risk lies.

09-03-14  04:27am - 14 days Another moratorium. (12 Posts) - #12
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Originally Posted by pat362:


That is possibly the most polite way I've heard someone describe the escorting most of the performers now do on a regular basis. I know that 30 years ago performers did the same thing but life was very different than it is today and the total number of performer was quite small when compared to today. Not to mention that everyone knew each other so there was a certain amount of respect among the talent and the various companies that I don't believe exist today.
That wasn't my intended implicationl I meant their private sex lives. I can't speak for the industry as a whole, but for the models on our site, the overwhelming majority don't do any escorting, or stripping. Granted we're an amateur site. Really, though, these three different kinds of sex work offer vastly different things that generally appeal to different people with different priorities.

Porn - pays well, infrequent work, lots of control/safety, prearranged partners and posing levels, very public/indiscreet.

Escorting - pays very well, frequent work, no prior knowledge of partners or sex acts, very discreet.

Stripping - pays ok, frequent work, no sex required, somewhat discreet, reasonably controlled/safe.

Speaking in huge generalisations here, but overlaps aren't as common as one might expect, and if anything there's often a bit of attitude between these different varieties of sex work (it's easy for each type to look down upon the other two).

Originally Posted by pat362:

Not sure if this is imposed but it was strongly advised that talent be tested every two weeks and I believe cost is about 185$ for the works. Seeing as some test have a 7 to 10 day period to be truly accurate than a two week test is more an illusion than a reality.
I'm not familiar with the industry-wide standards. Our models are considered 'in test' for 4 weeks after the test, but they generally only shoot once or twice, shortly after getting tested. We don't have 'full timers', so to speak.



Originally Posted by pat362:

I don't believe that current technology allows for a truly accurate same day test and therefore doing that will be a waste of money. I believe forcing studios to pay for the test was one of the things AB1576 was going to accomplish but since the industry didn't want it than the performer is still the one fronting the bill. Good luck getting the government to pay for a test when the industry doesn't want government involvement in the first place.
Well, my suggestion was more that the government just offer free testing for everyone, and that the industry could then use that service.

Originally Posted by pat362:

Not sure what the tax laws are in the States but unless studios can deduct the cost of the test from their income taxes than even the big guys would be in serious trouble. In fact the bigger studios would be in bigger trouble if only because they shoot a lot more porn and hire a lot more performers.
Ah yep, good point. Even with tax deduction, it does increase the overheads, reducing overall liquidiy- I'm no bean counter, though.

09-03-14  04:15am - 14 days Another moratorium. (12 Posts) - #11
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


^^^^^

How much does an average test cost, this would help others to understand the who process cost wise.


CT


It really depends on the location, the clinic, and the specific arrangement. With a regular clinic with which there exists a negotiated arrangement, it can quite cheap (less than a hundred bucks)- but that's only good if the shoot, the model, the location all fit into the terms of that arrangement/schedule.

For a one-off, it can be a few hundred bucks.

09-03-14  04:04am - 14 days Has anybody watched the recent Maddy O’Reilly scene at Brazzers? (5 Posts) - #6
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They ought to get pay-per-scene, to capture potential sales like you guys; unwilling to subscribe, but interested in a specific scene.

09-02-14  07:48am - 15 days Happy Labor Day ! (4 Posts) - #4
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Woot! Three cheers for Monday!

09-02-14  07:46am - 15 days the danger of cloud based systems (14 Posts) - #5
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Society is in the throes of information adolescence; we're having growing pains as we deal with how insufficient traditional concepts of privacy are in the information age. The solution will be for us to re-imagine what privacy is, and when it can be presumed. In the past, privacy could be presumed more or less most of the time, even in public places. Nowadays, privacy can only be presumed if you've taken active steps to create it. At all other times we must consider that our words and actions are no longer private. It sucks, but it's just one of the negative ramifications of a generally positive information revolution.

09-02-14  07:42am - 15 days Another moratorium. (12 Posts) - #7
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Originally Posted by pat362:


^^I wish you hadn't posted what you did because you're quite wrong. The system does not work. It never has up to now and this latest event is just more proof. The fact that a moratorium was imposed and that a list of first generation patients was created means that the lady in question had unprotected sex with multiple partners while she might have been infected. That's basically saying that the other chickens are safe after the fox has eaten a couple of them and been caught by the farmer. The dead chickens aren't coming back, the other chickens are scared shitless because that could have been them and there is always another fox just around the corner waiting to eat the other chickens.

The only way the system will work is if the performer has a positive test result prior to shooting and is told that she can't shoot because of the positive result. Anything else is a crap shoot. I don't know if you gamble but the house always wins in the end. The other option is condoms but we know how much the industry loves condoms.

The only good news in this case is that it appears the performer had a false positive so the moratorium is already lifted.


The tricky thing is practicality; tests take time and money, and models have private lives and sleep with people in non-professional unregulatable contexts.

Currently, as I understand it, models take regular STI tests (monthly, in our case) and are asked to refrain from unprotected sex for the duration of time that they are considered 'in test' (i.e. having had a clean test within the last month). The issue is, what's to say a model practices unsafe sex off camera and doesn't say so or get retested? Enforcing regular testing is a strategy to manage that (otherwise a model could take one test and be considered 'in test' forever, if they were to be taken at their word for practicing safe sex only).

A particular benefit we enjoy to performer safety is that most of our models only shoot once, and none of them shoot on an ongoing, regular basis. So for us it's easy to arrange the test to immediately precede any shoots, to minimise the period of time between a model's test, and any shoots they do. This isn't plausible for other sites that need to regularly shoot with the same talent, however.

The only watertight solution would be to have a fresh test for every performer, for every shoot day. The problem there is prohibitive costs. The two obvious solutions would be (a) to force studios to front that cost, or (b) to make STI tests free for everyone (i.e. the government pays).

I strongly lean in favour of option (b)- free STI testing paid for by the government health budget is just an all round good idea for society, not just porn. A walk-in STI clinic funded by the public purse would be a great way to encourage greater sexual in modern society. In some places, this is already available to some extent. In other places, there is some cultural resistance to social welfare- USA is one of those places, so I'm not sure whether it's a realistic proposition for the US industry.

Option (a) is doable, the costs sure could come out of studio profits. However, this probably would decimate a lot of smaller studios that are already struggling. The big ones could handle it, though. Also, returning to the US, just as there's a cultural predisposition towards 'socialistic' public welfare programs, there's also a bias against industry regulation too. I'm not sure which bias is greater, though.

Let's not forget also that regulations are all good and well, but meaningless without systems of compliance and enforcement, which cost money themselves. If the government is going to fork out to regulate, they might as well fork out to provide harm-preventative services.

08-29-14  05:27am - 19 days Another moratorium. (12 Posts) - #2
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Yeah, here's an article on XBIZ

It's always bad news to hear of this kind of thing, and our best wishes go to the folks in LA. If we want to look at the positive side, this is the system working; a model has tested positive, and a moratorium is in effect to protect others in the industry.

08-29-14  05:21am - 19 days Other review sites (14 Posts) - #5
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Dealing with review sites is a part of my job; there are plenty of other review sites, but none come to mind as being quite like pornusers.com (active user-driven reviews).

If you were looking for substitutes to 'thebestporn.com', there's a lot of comparable competition - but still, none that I know of are quite as prominent, comprehensive, well curated, impartial, spam-free, and easy to use (all at once).

TBP is probably the best review site out there, and has a very good rep for this reason. Pornusers isn't for everyone (for instance, the reviews are by their nature very subjective), but it offers something fairy unique: a place for porn enthusiasts to share opinions openly, to build a community even, and sometimes even engage the paysites themselves to offer feedback and resolve disputes in the open air.

08-29-14  05:12am - 19 days When age is drying up your creative juices, who'ya gonna call? (16 Posts) - #4
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Keep at it, Greymane; writing is it's own reward. Also, keep in mind that the forum might not be as busy as it once was.

08-29-14  05:08am - 19 days Based on experience - why bother join pay sites? (15 Posts) - #3
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Cool tip, if you use gmail, you can put the sitename into the email address you supply them after a '+' symbol. For example:

myemailaddress@gmail.com

becomes

myemailaddress+yourspammywebsite@gmail.com

The email address still works, and mail to the modified address will come to your inbox as normal - except the 'to:' address will indicate the full, modified email. This way, if you start getting a lot of spam, you can look at the 'to:' address to see which site sold your details to spammers.

Anyhow, as to why you should buy porn, I'm in slight disagreement with pat362 above- I don't think it's up to people to do it because it's the right thing to do. Instead, I think paysites have a sink-or-swim responsibility to make paying better than the free stuff. And plenty of sites do.

Free porn, (both from affiliate sites, and unlicenced filesharing sites), comes with a lot of spam, ads, adware, spyware, and malware. The quality is generally lower. The range is generally better.

Paysites ought not to spam their customer-base; if you pay to use a site, you shouldn't have to expect ads, and certainly not malware. The quality should be higher. Navigation should be safer and easier.

Of course, there are shitty sites that take money, and then go ahead and spam the hell out of their users. The best protection against that is being informed, and sites like this one are a great way of getting informed.

For the industry as a whole to overcome freeporn, paid porn will need to offer similar or better range than the free stuff. At the moment, videobox is the best example of that, but there's still a long way to go. The folks here are working on a site called myporn.com that seems to be aiming at similar goalposts (a single curated and aggregated resource). Porn needs a netflix, itunes, spotify, steam, googleplay equivalent.

Disclaimer: the above opinion comes from someone working for a paysite.

08-28-14  10:09am - 20 days I got cheated by GGG bigtime. (4 Posts) - #5
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I don't get how it even makes sense to treat customers this way. I mean, surely it's better to build trust and repeat business, no? The average porn user isn't someone who subscribes to a single site once and then never again- they come back if you treat them well and run a half-decent site.

We make it pretty straight forward to join without rebills, or cancel them via our site, the billing site, emailing us, or emailing the biller. Sure it makes it easy for people to leave, but it also means there's no bad blood stopping them from coming back.

Seems like the obvious way to do things.

08-26-14  07:17am - 22 days Does anybody find this overkill of finger- sucking having any worthwhile purpose? (9 Posts) - #10
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Let's not overlook the potential practical applications of a finger with a bit of 'nature's lube' on it!

08-25-14  07:57am - 23 days OFFICIAL: Our Social Media Links (3 Posts) - #4
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Liked/followed ya; you can find us at:

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http://facebook.com/abbywinterscom

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08-22-14  06:37am - 26 days Should PU add a thread labelled RIP for good porn sites that have bit the dust? (26 Posts) - #26
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Perhaps we should also acknowledge sites that have survived for the past 10 years or longer...


We're approaching 15 years! Started in 2000 (just).

08-18-14  07:43am - 30 days MMA Fighter Wanted After Vicious Attack on Christy Mack (14 Posts) - #13
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Originally Posted by graymane:


In the case of this ass-hole reportedly being a professional fighter .....
If the penalty still holds ....it's my judgment he can also be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.



Well, by Christy's account, he was armed with a kitchen knife, so that's a given.

08-15-14  06:52am - 33 days Lauren Bacall Dies at 89 (6 Posts) - #6
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Originally Posted by graymane:


Bogart and Lauren were a made couple.
Apparently Bogie mastered the art of whistle.

I donno , though..... Casablanca, the film immortalizing Bogie's final words to Ingrid Bergman, in his attempt at convincing his teary-eyed lover to board a plane out of the country without him, might just have trumped Lauren's sultry vocal, as a mainstay catch phase that catches on.

I mean, how do you beat "here's looking at you, kid."


Fun fact: that line was ad libbed.

08-13-14  04:01am - 35 days MMA Fighter Wanted After Vicious Attack on Christy Mack (14 Posts) - #5
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That's awful. Gah; his tweets whilst on the run aren't doing him any favours:

Originally Posted by warmachine:

I'm not a bad guy, I went to surprise my gf, help her set up her show and to give her an engagement ring and ended up fighting for my life.


Originally Posted by warmachine:

The cops will never give me fair play, never believe me. Still deciding what to do but at the end of the day it's all just heart breaking.


Originally Posted by warmachine:

I only wish that man hadn't been there and that Christy & I would behappily engaged.I don't know y I'm so cursed.One day truth will come out


By Christie's account, it sounds like it was going to be a lot worse than it was, if she hadn't have escaped. Edited on Aug 14, 2014, 06:48am

08-12-14  01:56am - 36 days Upcoming Movie Thread (1202 Posts) - #1227
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No, no, I loved the trailer that featured 'hooked on a feelin' rather heavily. It was a sci-fi adventure trailer with a comedy feel.

08-11-14  08:57am - 37 days Upcoming Movie Thread (1202 Posts) - #1225
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Sold. I was exactly as you say: on the fence. I'm glad it's as good as I'd hoped it might be. I'll see it this weekend.

08-08-14  07:04am - 40 days Is it overall in Porn's best interest to run tube sites out of Dodge? (11 Posts) - #11
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Is this why when I go to a tube site I see a video that looks more like an advertisement for the site it came from then an actual stolen video? I'm serious. I watched a video that started with a advertisement for the site. So the tube sites are actually being used to draw people to the some legit websites.

Yep, this is promotional content.

After some conflict, the major tube sites have gone 'legit', and feature primarily promotional content given to them by sites (and link to the paysite in question on the video page). They still have user-uploaded, unlicenced content, but they take it down when prodded to do so.

Originally Posted by biker:

What I have discovered, that never seems to get mentioned are "Porn Forums". You can go to them without being a member and do a search to find a specific video or porn star and download it so you have a permanent copy of your own. No need to visit a tube site to view it. Also it is complete. Whether it is a full porn film or a picture set, you get it complete. Tube sites typically only show you a portion of a video. These forums are growing in number, just like the tube sites and have a lot more to offer.
Porn forums are overwhelming unlicenced; they feature much more content, because their aim isn't to promote the paysite- they're just pirating. It's a losing game of whack-a-mole with porn forums; paysites pay agencies to defend their IP, issuing DMCA notices, writing legal letters, and what not. But porn forums are slippery; for every site or bit of content taken down, hundreds more get uploaded elsewhere.

Not to say fighting piracy is waste of time for paysites; nobody has the realistic goal of eradicating piracy at this stage of the game. Rather, by keeping the pressure on pirates, content creators hope to make downloading unlicenced content an unreliable, relatively frustrating exercise (with sites and pages constantly going up and down). Additionally, the pirates do half the work- whilst some pirates share files just for the love of it, many more try to make a buck; they often do this with ads, adware, malware, and spammy crap - at the same time, they often reduce the quality of the content they're sharing, so it's more efficient to share. This significantly damages the user experience on their site, enhancing the value of just paying for content.

Originally Posted by biker:

If this causes porn sites to collapse, where will they get their material? Somewhere a point has to be reached where websites can still exist or all porn will disappear from the internet. If it is a tube site or forum, they need legit websites as a source of material.

Porn producers are unlikely to collapse entirely; it's more like a war of attrition that grinds against their bottom line. Neither side is going to win, but it costs content creators more than the pirates to keep on fighting.

Still, no matter what, there will always be people creating content, for fun or for profit. Conversely, as long as we have a free and open internet, there will always be people sharing content. Neither the pirates, nor the content creators will ever be wiped out.

More likely, and indeed already transpiring, is that for-profit content creators will move away from trying to napalm piracy out of existence with lobbying and legislation; and instead start adopting inventive new business models that aren't as exposed to IP infringement (or aren't exposed at all). For instance, live camshows are immune to piracy, pretty much. A lot of online journalism, music videos and films have embedded, native advertising (the brand of car your favourite popstar or action hero drives isn't just a random creative decision, it's a bought and paid for business decision).

Porn is normally on the forefront of industry shifts like this, but I'd say this time porn is not. Way back when, big media freaked out about VCRs and audio cassettes, claiming that allowing the public to record, play, and share media would destroy the industry. It was obviously hyperbole, but back then one of the biggest supporters for legitimacy of VCRs was porn; who stood to benefit immensely from a world where you didn't need to go to a cinema to watch porn.

Still, lots of sites *are* experimenting with different models and strategies. We do, at abbywinters.com; for instance, we now have pay-per-scene, which allows members to make a one-time payment for content, then retain access to it forever in a digital locker hosted by us. This is an example of moving the money away from a transaction for access to content, and towards a service (in this case, a convenient, online, collection of HD porn). We're also introducing live shows soon, with abbywinters.com 'playdate'; another example of shifting posture to make IP infringement less of a problem.

There's still plenty that needs to be tried, and done, but many content creators are stepping up to the plate. Not just them, wider participants in the industry have identified the largely unexploited, upcoming niches, and are also working hard to place themselves at the right spot for when the wave crests. That's essentially what Manwin is trying to do, I suppose; the folks here at TBP are putting a lot of hard work and risk into a bold new model that might work better for consumers and creators, too.

Interesting times in an interesting business, no?

08-07-14  04:20am - 41 days Is it overall in Porn's best interest to run tube sites out of Dodge? (11 Posts) - #8
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I always thought what Manwin did was kind of clever. They swooped in, bought up all the tube sites, upped the quality of the videos to put pressure on paysites, then started buying up the paysites (who'd fallen on hard times as a result of Manwin's actions). Then, they reduced the quality of the tubes again, to funnel members back to the paysites they purchased.

It reads like a Lex Luthor scheme.

08-06-14  06:06am - 42 days Is it overall in Porn's best interest to run tube sites out of Dodge? (11 Posts) - #2
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I think we're seeing a cultural epoch unfolding before us. It affects porn, sure, but also many other industries. When we first got the internet, the immediate opportunity was drastically expanded distribution capability, with virtually no overhead. Enter the era of the paysite.

Along comes web 2.0; everyone becomes a content creator, everyone becomes a pirate. It is now easier than ever to publish your own material, it is now easier than ever to duplicate the published material of others.

This is where we are now; we're seeing big studios slog against the tide, but the obstacles are basically insurmountable. No law, no policy, no model is going to change the fact that the vast majority of people don't want to pay for content, won't pay for it, and don't have to.

So what then? Well that's where tube sites have come in, as something I expect to be a temporary measure, at least in their current form. Initially loaded with unlicenced content, tube sites have since adopted the affiliate, and ad-revenue model aggressively. Cam sites, in particular, seem to do better with tube ads than do paysites; perhaps because the psychology of live tipping brings up conversion. Why temporary? Well because the tube sites depend on the paysites for content, and the current situation isn't sustainable for a lot of paysite; currently porn consumers and tube sites win big, but paysites shoulder all the burdens and risk. That's because paysites only get paid when porn consumers purchase content from them directly, something they almost never do. Tube sites aren't going to pay for content up front either.

It's hard to predict where the industry is going, but I hesitate to indulge in doom and gloom. There is a greater demand, and supply, for porn than ever; the industry is just having trouble matching those two in the optimal way. Some clever fox will come up with a better way, and make a lot of money doing so. Actually, there'll likely be quite a few of these clever foxes. All that said, though, I think we can reason out the future to a certain extent; the subscription paysite model seems to be ailing. It suits a minority of porn consumers very well, and will always be around in some capacity for that reason, but is decreasingly viable for the mass market. Today's porn consumer is accustomed to incredible diversity of content, in low quality, at zero cost; trading the incredible range of content available for free, for higher quality content, isn't enough to get most people to pay. For this reason, I think the eventual model we arrive upon isn't going to be a consumer->studio relationship (as it is with studio paysites). Rather, if people are to pay, they're more likely to pay an aggregator of some sort, in return for diversity and high quality content. They'll probably pay in an unexpected way, too; as none of the current payment models are exploding. What does that mean for the studios of tomorrow? Well we might see the rise of the b2b (business to business) studio in porn, similar to how studios run in film and video games: porn studios may focus 100% on the production of content, and not even bother touching the publication and marketing thereof (which would be handled instead by some kind of publisher, or aggregator). Consider how you might buy a video game via Steam (a content aggregator/marketplace), the game might be published by EAGames (who paid for it to be created, and put it on steam, among other places), yet the game may have been developed by an independent studio working for EAGames on contract (you can't even buy the game directly off the studio). It's possible tube sites will evolve into this role, or that they'll wither and make way for the new guard.

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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


Personally I think children should be the responsibility of parents, but MPs never have the guts to say that.

Personally I think most MPs that purportedly do things for the sake of the children are being insincere, using that excuse because it's popular and hard to disagree with, whilst truly motivated by influential media lobbyists.

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Proxy paige rocks; but oh-how-right are you about the "pure nastiness" of her performances. She sure seems to enjoy herself, though!

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Sorry turboshaft! No offence intended, just a stab in the dark.

Anyhow, I think I'd agree that there's a certain charm to an all natural girl, sans cosmetics, crumpled up in bed (or out hiking!).

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Originally Posted by Rick:


AW !! Haven't spoke to you guys in a long while.

That's 100% accurate, all content deals will be completely custom from their tube offerings. We think and hope content providers like yourself are ready for a fresh new delivery/exposure platform.


We don't normally promote with video content, but we'd sure be interested in chatting about myporn.com closer to launch either way. You've got our number!

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Originally Posted by turboshaft:

I've always been a less-is-more kind of guy; that is, less styling, the better.
I'm going to take a stab in the dark, and guess that you might be a baby boomer (born in the 50's); grew up with the overly styled hairdos of the 60s, which went out of fashion by the time you were a young man (amidst 70s 'back to nature' trend, with long flowing locks pouring from every location).

It's hard to shake the preferences one acquires in one's youth, I think. I personally was born in the 80s, grew up with 90s style (often rather 70s revivalist; baggy clothes, long hair, flares, hipster pants), but really became my own person in the 2000's (which I would say, generally, revives a lot of 80s looks; from skinny jeans, guyliner, high contrast gritty urban looks, etc). Although I can appreciate beauty manifested in each era, I do privately prefer the 'alt chick' look.

It's funny how fashions echo through time.

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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


Does this mean, the listings & reviews of the current PU provider database will be culled to those that you are able to contract with?


Not trying to be contentious, but that's currently how thebestporn.com operates anyhow; as far as I know, TBP is already an affiliate of every site they review. Almost all affiliate programs offer content to their affiliates,(review sites just don't need it for their method of promotion).

The only hurdle I can envisage lies in the amount of content they'd need; they might need more content than is given to affiliates by default (depending on the site). Negotiating this is far from unheard of, however (e.g. tube sites).

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Somebody sweep the makeup off their faces before they suffocate!

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Originally Posted by pat362:


Your statement would have been true 3 or more years ago but 5 years is likely more accurate but you can't say the same for what has been done since then. Of course if you add the porn made prior to that to todays stuff than yes there is a lot more good than bad but I don't know if that's what you meant.



How far back are you going for your good old days? Are you saying prior to 2000 because you have had plenty of niche porn since then. The same can't be said for prior to that but if that's the case than I wouldn't talk about porn made when the internet was not yet the main way people got their porn fix.
This is a fair point, there has been some contraction in the past few years, with bad market and IP troubles. Still, there's a staggering amount of porn out there, in an even more staggering diversity of nices and fetishes, more of which are conceived and catered to every day. Off the top of my head, CFNM and cuckolding strike me as two fetishes that have really exploded of late.



Originally Posted by pat362:

I don't know about you but most of the popular music made today is so similar to each other that it's often hard to tell who the artist is. I guess taste vary but I don't call the type of music done in the last 5 or so years to be all that good. It's not horrible but will we really be listening to it 20 or more years from now? The fact that artists that have been in the business for 20 plus years are still in high demand tells you that they had talent.

That's exactly the thing; by 'popular music' you'd mean the stuff that's on the radio. Right now, there are orders of magnitude more amazing music in being made in every conceivable subgenre than ever before- as well as in new subgenres. Classic rock, blues, jazz, classical, every subgenre of metal, electronic, folk, you name it; the artists of today are so empowered to create and publish. The difference is that they have considerably less individual cultural impact compared to the days when big media ruled the airwaves and curated the content. Bowie, Dylan, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, the Beatles- all of these guys had immense cultural impact because they were picked up by massive labels and broadcasted to the world ad nauseum. Their music was great, that's why they were chosen, but the lasting cultural impact that makes them 'classic' has a lot more to do with limited channels of media monopolised by relatively few firms back then. At the time there was of course an 'underground scene', often from which stars were plucked by the big labels, but great acts from the same periods don't have the same cultural impact, instead being favourites of genre enthusiasts. Right now, in the genres of the aforementioned classic acts, there is a staggering amount of artists producing music that is just as good - the onus is on fans of said genres to seek it out on the various online 'scenes'. Or, if one can't be bothered, just listen to whatever big media spoonfeeds mainstream society.

A different example, demonstrating the same trend: beer. There is a certain veneration for antiquated quality brews with centuries of tradition behind them. Many regard the trappist ales brewed to the same recipe for centuries to be among the greatest beers in existence- and they are damn good. But with the explosion in information and accessibility to craft and microbrewing, there are now more breweries and brewers than ever before. Anyone can find the information and equipment they need to become a master brewer, if they're dedicated, and many people have, all over the world. Relatively new American breweries produce ridiculously good brews in traditional styles, easily exceeding many venerated established brands. Same everywhere. There has always been good beer, for those who cared to find, but now there is more, and it is easy to find, easier to make. Of course, all along, there has been bad beer, for those that don't really care either way. That's ok, not everyone has to be a beer aficionado. There's volumes more bad beer than ever before, as the global market has continued to expand. So, we have a situation where there is more good beer, and more bad beer, than ever before. Yet there is a perception that the 'golden age' of brewing was some time between the middle ages and the age of colonialism.

It's just not true. The golden age of beer is now. The golden age of music, film, art, dance, industry, science, language, and academia is now.

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It's been pretty well covered, 'free speech' means you don't get fined or go to jail for a shitty opinion, not that it is protected everywhere. Even then, it's an American law that doesn't have equivalents in every country. The internet=! America. For instance, Most common law countries (e.g. UK, Australia, NZ, Canada) have 'fuzzy' rights that operate off precedent, not statute. Some countries have outright outlawed hatespeech (e.g. Germany).

Indeed, American-style free speech is a peculiarity; though not a bad one. It's just far from the standard in what we would refer to as 'the free world'. On the positive side, whilst statute protection of free speech really protects and empowers extreme groups to be shitheads in the US, it has also really protected controversial cultural expression at times - like porn, and risque music.

Anyway, I would encourage any person feeling frustrated with the sensitivity of offended minorities to try imagine how if feels to be constantly looked down upon, denied access, mocked, and discriminated; how thankful you'd be for etiquette, policy, and rules that mitigate or forbid such behaviour; and how noisy you might get when aforementioned boundaries are crossed.

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Seems to be doing more harm than good anyway; necroposting in a thread that from the outset was highly critical of the resort.

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Originally Posted by Parsnip:


I'm not denying it's a golden age for CHEAP porn. It's just that it is now all about volume, with little beauty or style.


I really disagree. Well, let me qualify that; there is more bad porn than ever, sure. But there is also more good porn than ever. It could be that the ratio is worse now, that's a matter of opinion; either way, there's no denying that the total volume of excellent porn is greater now than at any point in history.

Back in the 'good ol' days', it was impossible for studios to focus on a niche they were very passionate about- everyone had to go mainstream and cater to the mass market (maybe with a little twist). Since the advent of the internet, though, it has been possible for all manner of obscure and focussed niche sites to sell direct to a similarly focussed audience, with relatively low overheads.

In general I find this is true with most things. When people say music has gone to shit, for instance, what they mean is that there is more bad music than there ever was before. But there is also more good music than there ever was before. Way more. Culture has just changed; instead of being delivered curated content on tv, the onus is on us wade through the cruft and find what is specifically good for us.

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Hey PinkPanther; I'd strongly urge you to try better image manipulation software. No need for photoshop or anything, but if you just took a single step above MS Paint, you'll see a huge improvement in the quality and/or filesize of the images you create with this method.

My recommendation would be paint.NET. It's free, not overly complicated, doesn't come with ads or other nonsense, and can save your screenshots in a variety of filetypes at customisable qualities (I'd recommend PNG). You can get it at http://getpaint.net

07-08-14  03:53am - 71 days Happy 4th of July !! (4 Posts) - #5
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Was late happy 4th um and 5th.

Without this day we would not have the freedoms we do.
Most likely porn and this site would not exist.

So Happy Birth Day America.


Imagine; if you'd never rose up against British tyranny, you all might be living under constant colonial oppression - like those poor Canadians!

Seriously, though, happy independence, 'murica - the world's a better, more lively place with you in it.

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Off the record, it's my opinion that tubes, forums, pirates, and the whole bag are just symptoms of the internet. If not them, then someting else. While the aforementioned symptoms have been causing media industries (not just porn) a lot of trouble, I'm not sure we can sensibly qualify it as a 'problem'; unless we want to go ahead an forsake the internet, with which these problems come bundled.

So what then? 'What' indeed. The immediate and obvious response has been to seek legislative and judicial solutions, but on the scale we're talking, it's just not practical. Some might argue that it's foolish to use legislation to stifle technological and cultural progress in defense of extant business models, too. Business models is what it comes, to, though. Probably. My guess is that media will change (or is changing), profit models will innoculate themselves against the infinite anonymous replication of data that the internet offers. Information as a service, rampant advertising, microtransactions, crowdfunding; these are all expeditions after that same goal.

Advertising driven media has probably done the best, but the race is far from over. Additionally, it's not as much an option for the adult industry (who're incapable of attracting the mainstream advertising market).

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Interesting discussion. Turboshaft is right about tattoos being a generational thing; we select against tattoos when we can, but it's getting harder and harder to avoid if you're committed to shooting real, everyday, amateur models, (who increasingly often have tattoos).

OP, I'd suggest you go off the beaten path a little. You made fair criticisms of the examples you listed, but they're very mainstream. No better place to prospect for porn with that 'certain something' you're missing than here; a porn review site.

As far as we go, we're based in Europe (nowadays, formerly of Australia), but the girls wear *zero* makeup (not natural looking shades). The majority of our content is a bit softer than what you've described liking (solo interview and masturbation), but we do have a *lot* of girl-girl scenes (plenty of which feature anal play).

Suggestions off the top of my head for you to check out would be Ishotmyself.com (it's arty, but raw, and often features hardcore content), x-art is very hardcore (maybe too much, if you're not very into it).

Maybe if you told us more about what you *do* like?

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Originally Posted by pat362:

The weapon of choice in the 1600 to 1700 was a musket rifle.
I think this is key; back then, the citizenry could conceivably be as well armed as the state. If organised into militias (as the amendment prescribes) it was a decent anti-tyranny clause. That balance of citizen vs state power rose with the invention and proliferation of firearms, and fell with the combustion engine (just look at the 'springtime of nations' in the 1860s- an armed and organised population could literally rise up and beat back the military, and indeed that's how many modern republics were founded.) But now? 2nd amendment rights are used primarily for small concealable arms; weapons of crime, not war. Glocks aren't too helpful against Apaches and fighter jets- the days of the citizenry putting down the government via armed rebellion Washington-style are gone. The 2nd amendment has lost it's point.

Originally Posted by pat362:

I'm Canadian so it's understandable that I have a different view on guns than my US neighbor because most Canadians don't own a gun and those that do tend to keep it at the firing range. A Rifle is more common but again the number is still quite small when compared with the total number of people living in Canada.
More guns per head in Canada compared to the US, I believe. Mainly rifles and shotguns, though- impractical for crime.

Originally Posted by pat362:

I'm willing to bet that Google will bring porn adds back the day it starts to hurt their pocket book.
I don't think so; or rather, they surely expect a hit to their pocketbook, but have gone and done it anyway. My best guess is because they think, in the long run, excising porn from adwords will produce more relevant ads, increasing trust and performance in the whole program over time. Maybe.

Originally Posted by Parsnip:


Mmmmm. That's wild. I somehow doubt the founding fathers, when they framed the amendment about not having an established religion, expected it to be used to protect someone's "right" to set 6 guys onto a girl, beat her senseless, slap, beat, punch her to oblivion, split her orifices apart, rip her insides out, and film it for psychos to masturbate to.

I suppose the first thing that strikes me with these founding father's hypotheticals is the relevance of what they intended. I mean, they were slave-owning, tax avoidant, industrialists who sponsored a rebellion to dodge unfair, crippling taxes. Not saints. Their constitution was pretty good, certainly ahead of it's time, and aspirational to many other fledgling nations along the line. But that was centuries ago; the constitution of then wasn't equipped for the problems of now (thus all the extra amendments). I don't think their intentions hold all that much weight.

Originally Posted by Parsnip:

Anymore that they expected the amendment about well regulated militias to be used to allow whackjobs to march into their local bar and slap multi-shot assault weapons on the table.

I don't think provocateurs like that cause all that much harm, nor do their shocking assault rifles. The overwhelming majority of gun related deaths and crimes are caused by handguns. The NRA would have a fit; but the obvious thing to do would be to just get rid of handguns entirely. Want a gun? Go for it; have any full sized rifle or shutgun you want. Enjoy your hunting, target shooting, collecting or whatever. Want to carry it in public? Fuck it, why not- expect some weird looks, though. Good luck surprising anyone, or concealing/disposing of the damned thing.

Originally Posted by Parsnip:

All these rights have restrictions, they aren't unlimited.
This is the real heart of the matter, I suppose. We live in a civil society; necessarily sacrificing certain freedoms for collective benefit. Like driving- it's not like any schmo can buy a car and drive it without a licence, registration, insurance, and observing the road rules. We don't think of that as a restriction of freedom, but that's basically what it is. Want to build a giant wooden effigy on your roof? Sorry, not allowed- unsafe. Want to dispose of your household waste via bonfire? Also not allowed, at least not without some regulation and permission. Tired of living in a house, want to camp in central park? Nope. Society isn't built around inalienable rights, inalienable rights are built around society. Society is a bunch of mandatory regulations, freedom is everything outside of that. If we were truly free, we'd have the choice to opt out of the law- but that isn't practical for the collective, so it's not allowed.

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Allow me to play devil's advocate. I don't think there's any infringement here, nor do I expect any real detriment. So google adwords will be porn free, and no longer viable as a marketing option for adult sites. Just like facebook, youtube, television, newspapers, and highway billboards at the moment.

Our sites will still be indexed in google, and search engine optimisation will still be a valid method of increasing one's page rank to get more traffic from google.

Most likely, google has done this not to appease moralistic puritans, but in the pursuit to aid in the transfer of relevant information. It could well be that, like youtube, they don't want relevant content getting drowned out by high-bidding, less relevant, arguably spammy adult ads. Or to not have adult ads take precedence in keyword 'grey zones'.

They almost certainly have taken a paycut in making this move, so it's not for the money. But, yeah, my feeling this is another step in Google's diabolical scheme to offer ads that know so much about you, and your current context, their relevance is real (and appreciated).

06-26-14  05:52am - 83 days Interesting article about X-Art and their copyright defence (18 Posts) - #12
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Sad day in the adult industry when they start acting like bankers and not artists .

I think there's a threshold for most artists when the money eclipses the art. It's kind of unavoidable really, even the purest street performer would get corrupted if his art shaped millions of dollars,the livelihood of hundreds of auxiliary professionals, and countless fans.

Human nature, I guess.

On the positive side, this phenomenon does actually add value to the 'independent'/underground scene. So long as folks keep selling out, the little guy has a better shot at doing something remarkable.

06-26-14  05:48am - 83 days "A Rosebud By Any Other Name..." (25 Posts) - #26
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Originally Posted by LPee23:


If you have a very large number of models, it requires effort on a consistent basis over the years to avoid losing a small number of records. One brief lapse is all it takes, and without self-auditing, you would never know. This is why X-Art.com could be in trouble, as I said in the Malibu Media thread, because it looks like their 2257 records are likely to get dragged into court soon. It's a tough bar to meet when one accidental slip up that results in a single lost record can result in criminal charges.


Indeed; we've got over 1500 models on our site, no small number (all documented). Our CEO actually had 50+ charges tossed at him back in Australia, amidst a moral panic drummed up by the media. Thanks in part to the exhaustive documentation, every single charge against him was dropped.

Of course, that was a more complicated issue born mostly out legal ambiguities and the of the lack of firm statutes protecting free speech in Australia (we don't have a bill of rights like America! Westminster influenced politics are funny like that). Part of the reason we ultimately relocated operations to Amsterdam.

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Originally Posted by LPee23:

...I think it did lead a lot of webmasters to go over their records, realize that many were incomplete, and self-censor by deleting a lot of legal content that just wasn't properly documented.
Oh sure, we've been there before; without a catalyzing incident, of sorts, we audited our records and came up short for a handful of shoots. We'd certainly taken the records, but had somehow misplaced them. After exhaustive searching, we came up empty. The only thing left to do was to delete the perfectly legal content from our servers.

Even though 2257 legislation doesn't strictly have jurisdiction, we do claim to have it, and that more or less embodies a promise to would-be members.

Originally Posted by LPee23:

I know first hand of a webmaster who purchased a European site and couldn't use a portion of their content because their 2257 records were incomplete.


Oh ho, this is a good point too. We don't buy or sell 3rd party content, but plenty of sites do. If you were in that business, you better hope you take 2257 documentation; good luck selling your content without it (especially considering that the majority of bigtime paysites are American).

Originally Posted by LPee23:

I also have heard of a site with truly illegal content that claimed to have valid 2257 documents. The owner was arrested, I think in Russia back around 2006. This particular site was a black mark on good operations everywhere, and it deserves to be forgotten.


This kind of highlights it, too. Scumbags can, and will, just lie. Good to hear they got what was coming; if they were based in Russia, though, it would have been due to Russian laws. If anything, the unenforced 2257 would've lent this site undue credibility.

It's a tricky problem, though, because it'd be a monumental effort to enforce such legislation and audit everyone too. Random spot checks might do the trick. Alternately, perhaps a digital solution would lend 2257 more credibility; there is a growing array of identity verification solutions for online credit card purchases, including some which involve a webcam snapshot of your face, and ID. Such technology could conceivably be adapted...

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Originally Posted by pat362:

The main reason 2257 exists is because too many 17 years old were getting into the industry and it was next to impossible to track these young men and women


I respectfully disagree, I don't think it is primarily to do with a proliferation of 17-year-olds determined to get into porn (not to say it *absolutely* wasn't that).

2257 requirements were put in place by the 'Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act of 1988'; ostensibly to 'protect the children'. Though few can fault the noble goal of combating and criminalising porn depicting minors (which is why it passed), this law doesn't do much in that regard. It's not as if illegal and immoral sites give a hoot about compliance (the distribution of such content typically occurs entirely in the shadows). Moreover, this ceremonial law is basically unenforced. To my knowledge, the FBI haven't *ever* audited anyone's 2257 records, much less pressed charges on those grounds.

Not to say it's useless. It's good practice to maintain rigorous documentation, to protect oneself with evidence of reasonable and responsible efforts to ensure all performers are of age. Decrying pornographers as predators of children is pretty stock-standard, it's nice to have a quick and solid answer to that charge.

Mostly, though, I'd say the purpose of 2257 is customer assurance. Title 18 is a US law, applicable to US sites, in the US. Yet, virtually all sites of repute, regardless of origin, comply. We're an Australian company based in the Netherlands, and we keep meticulous 2257 documentation ready for presentation at any moment. Why? Well, the majority of internet surfers, and porn customers, are American. It makes them feel assured that a site is above the level to see 2257 compliance. Conversely, absence of compliance is seen as suspicious (or downright incriminating, regardless of the lack of jurisdiction).

Such it is that a child-protection bill protected roughly zero children but lives on as a kind of consumer confidence accreditation; outside of the US, as a kind of industry self-regulation.

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