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12-20-13  10:38am - 339 days Has anyone watched the documentary Aroused yet? (13 Posts) - #14
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Hi. Yeah, I remember seeing that Belladona interview with Diane Sawyer. This type of presentation is an entirely different format from your typical documentary, They were pretty much letting her do the talking rather than employing leading questions to get the subject to head in a specific direction.

This is in contrast to most documentaries, where the producers choose the specific types of questions that will be asked, in order to create a desired outcome. They also have the power to selectively edit bits and pieces of interviews or information and reassemble them to create a specific context.

Most documentaries out there on most any subject are nothing but biased garbage.

12-20-13  07:48am - 339 days Has anyone watched the documentary Aroused yet? (13 Posts) - #12
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Well, I think a documentary like this serves more as a vehicle for entertainment rather than true objective insight.

Just looking at the names on the list, it appears most of them are established in the industry and will be less inclined to offer candid insights that might reflect negatively on the industry as a whole. The subjects being interviewed therefore represent a biased sample, IMO. In these types of documentaries, you rarely hear from Jane Q Smith, who is an average worker in the industry.

It would therefore be hard to draw any conclusions about general motives for girls or guys desiring to enter the industry. There are just too many variables to make any sweeping generalizations about an industry based on the input of a small number of workers, many of whom were probably hand-picked by the producer for one reason or another.

Documentarians often take specific examples and use them as a means of bolstering a message they might be trying to convey. Take the recent documentary 'Blackfish', about captive cetaceans at Seaworld. Whatever your stance on the issue, any realistic individual would have to raise an eyebrow when it comes to the lack of objectivity present in the film. Yes, the images thrown our way can be emotional and gripping, but only one side of the story is present and only extreme examples and situations are are used to make sweeping generalizations about an entire industry. The producer has determined that Seaworld is pure evil and proceeds to offer emotional anecdotes that support such a conclusion. I consider this approach patronizing and insulting, as it assumes an audience is too stupid to draw their own conclusions if presented with objective facts.

I have the same thoughts about documentaries I have seen related to the porn industry. They are always shallow and one-sided. A conservative producer will only focus on displaying the worse elements of the industry. A supporter will focus mainly on profiling the smiling and bubbly participants, the ones who are the least inclined to rock the boat. They producers have made up their minds and by the use of selective editing, they proceed to impose their own paradigm on the audience. Discussions of porn are usually bathed in black and white terms. In reality, truth is usually found somewhere in the middle of the extremes.

Also, I wouldn't read anything into the above in terms of my opinions. I just think this is a complex subject and could only really be understood on a case-by-case basis when it comes to the workers. In other words, the answer to the question, Why do girls decide to participate in porn?, is a lot more complex than the typical cliches and one-liners offered up by both sides of the issues. Edited on Dec 20, 2013, 08:23am

12-15-13  02:48pm - 344 days Any new information on the replacement TBP/PU site rollout? (35 Posts) - #5
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A new site? I haven't visited in a while. What is the new site about?

12-15-13  02:39pm - 344 days Webmasters want to know! (65 Posts) - #55
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I also prefer realism. Too much slick photography out there of the cookie-cutter variety. But everyone's taste is different.

The bottom line here is that people look at porn to get aroused. I think the producers of pornography forget this simple fact and are too concerned with volume. The erotic element gets lost in the in-your-face stuff. You end up with tons of photos and videos that look the same, feel the same, and are pretty uninspiring.

For me, 90% of the stuff out there is repetitive junk. I have subscribed to one site this year. I am not a heavy viewer of erotic stuff but I do enjoy it at times. I just don't like a lot of it because it is so extreme now. Hitting, spitting, all this junk. How can you get aroused by that? I don't get it but am nobody to tell anyone what is erotic.

Also, my pet peeve is when a photographer has a beautiful model to work with and decides to do closeups of body parts. I know what a vagina looks like. I don't need to see it magnified a hundred times in fifty different photos. And I don't need to see repetitive close-ups of some guys hairy ass in a hardcore erotic scene featuring a beautiful model.

I would just say be original, be yourself, and keep it real. Don't try to emulate something else. Offer something unique. Someone will like it and perhaps generate a new niche of fans.

To put it bluntly, I would rather subscribe to a site with very small volume that gave me a raging boner rather than a site with a zillion photos and videos that are repetitive, airbrushed nonsense. Edited on Dec 15, 2013, 02:46pm

01-19-13  07:17am - 674 days Sites selling your private information? (17 Posts) - #8
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I also started getting spammed with the 'real name' email header stuff after I started subscribing to online adult sites. My spam to legit ratio is probably 10 to 1 at this point. These days, I spend more time deleting emails than reading them.

The problem is you cannot flag the mails as spam and have them dissapear in the future as each email has its own address and header. Obviously they are running spam bots that switch email headers and mask IP addresses etc.

It could either be intentional or not on the part of the online sites selling email addresses or making them available. It is probably more likely, however, that their databases have been hacked somewhere along the line and email addresses taken. Either that or the sites themselves are infected and contain trojan bots that take our email addresses and use them in the chain. In other words, our emails would be used as platforms to send the stuff as well as receive it, using masking. I am pretty sure this is what this stuff is. I used my IP checker to trace some of these and each one has its own address and IP. Someone has a very slick masking routine running.

The billers and web sites would be reluctant to admit their data was compromised like this, for obvious reasons. But the nature of the emails themselves indicate a trojan bot is doing all this behind the scenes. A site may not even know it is compromised or infected with such a bot. They probably wouldn't care either as long as the customers keep paying. Who wrote it and who is benefiting from it is anyones guess. Heck, maybe a competitor hacked someone elses database to direct traffic to them or piss customers off. But these are clearly auto-generated emails using a pretty sophisticated IP masking tool, not a direct mailing campaign by a specific site.

But whatever you do, don't click any links in these emails if you are curious where they might take you. I did a right click on a few and the addresses were to places like WalMart and Best Buy etc...They are trying to make the links look legit. I would also make sure that your virus definitions are up-to-date. Edited on Jan 19, 2013, 07:37am

01-17-13  05:25pm - 676 days 3D porn? (19 Posts) - #4
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Gimmicky, just like 3D TV. But that is just my two cents.

Part of the reason 3d TV isn't really going anywhere is because of the hideous glasses you have to wear. Not only do you look silly, it also is uncomfortable and a nuisance to have to wear the heavy goggles to watch TV. I also think 3D movies are not really that great. A friend of mine has a 3D and it really isn't as good as advertised. But again, that is subjective. To me, it certainly isn't worth the inconvinience of wearing glasses and all that.

We would also look a bit odd choking the chicken to a 3D Porn movie while wearing the goggles:


01-15-13  03:54pm - 678 days BubbaGump - Contact Khan right away ! (2 Posts) - #2
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I sent an email. Not sure what it means bounced. Did it get sent back?

The notification that I won arrived in my email at 6:00 pm.

01-12-13  09:09am - 681 days Your current top 10 model list (35 Posts) - #2
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The only modern star that I would say is a favorite is a model named Sensual Jane. In general, though, I honestly don't pay much attention to names. I probably couldn't name a star if I saw one. So many models look the same today that I would probably get them confused. I do have favorites though but they are from the past. I don't know if I have ten of them. I would say my favorite model is
Christy Canyon.

01-08-13  07:17pm - 684 days Value for money on porn sites. Is this the golden age? (28 Posts) - #8
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I think it depends on what you value most in erotic content.

If you are driven by quantity, the answer is probably going to be yes. If you prefer videos over photography the answer will probably also be yes. For me, however, I have to answer in the negative. IMO, there is too much focus on volume and not enough focus on quality. The art of still photography has also taken a back seat to an in-your-face video style. Today, anyone with a modern cell phone that takes HD video can point the phone and take closeups of copulating genitals and make a production.

Many models today are also too plasticised. Plastic boobs, plastic butts, botox lips and genitalia that has been shaved clean. Sometimes the models look like computer generated images from a Hollywood F/X production. And what's up with tattoos? When you do come across a woman with a natural beauty and form, she has some god-awfull tattoo running down her arms with piercing in her nipples. You might as well take a box of Crayola crayons into the Sistine Chapel and deface the artwork.

Today's porn is almost all hardcore and the focus on the erotic beauty of the female body has been replaced with repetitive and formulatic displays of raw sex, minus the passion. Nothing is left to the imagination and the action is immediate.

Anyways, sorry for the negative opinion. I am getting old and like a lot of people who are getting old, I complain about all this racket that kids listen to today and the weird haristyles. Excuse me while I scream at the neighborhood kids to stop skateboarding on my driveway.

01-05-13  01:49pm - 688 days Cant Cancel subscription. (3 Posts) - #4
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Thanks, fellas. I am going to call the CC company.

It is a shame that this happens. I subscribed to a few sites last year and lost interest but kept the bangbros site going as I do download videos here and there. I just canceled because the content was getting old and repetitive.

This business can be somewhat shady at times, as my own experience has shown. I dont trust a lot of these sites, to be honest. I figure eventually you are going to get burned by someone.

This is only going to hurt the industry itself. If customers dont trust to apply and give their credit card info, how are you going to grow?

It is kind of amusing, actually. If you go to the site, everything is in English. Once you sign up, it is still in English, except when the time comes that you have to use the customer care link or cancel. Then, to your surprise, it is all written in Spanish.lol. I mean, how shady is that? There is probably some legal thing they will fall back on in terms of fine-print. But that is probably written in Spanish, too.

Needless to say, I won't be having anything to do with bangbros again. That's for sure. What a bunch of douchebags.

01-04-13  06:27pm - 688 days Cant Cancel subscription. (3 Posts) - Original Post - #1
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Cant Cancel subscription.

Haven't been around in a while. I have had an ongoing subscription to Bang Bros which I have kept active for a while and download a few videos each month or so. The problem is, I subscribed to a secondary site they have. It is called culineros and is a latin oriented site. It is a good site but I want to cancel it. I already cancelled my bangbros subscription. But this did not cancel, even though it was part of the site as an addon. It is the same password and username etc..

It still comes up in the bangbros area at their site. When I cick the support link to that entry, it comes in spanish.

I called the number and they said I have no subscription. Nobody writes me back.I believe perhaps they are playing games and this is their way of prolonging the charges.

I believe perhaps they are playing games. At the number to netbilling they say I do not have a subscription. neither bangbros nor these links for support will write me back. But my card keeps getting charged. This is nonsense and it is my opinion they made it like this to be so confusing that you cannot cancel or just give up.


This is bad for the industry when they do this kind of crap. I cannot help but believe this is dirty pool. Beware. Anyone who can offer suggestion I would appreciate it. This is BS.

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06-12-12  05:39pm - 895 days Too much sameness! (58 Posts) - #10
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In Fairness to the photographers, there is only so much you can do without getting repetitive. There are only so many ways to photograph the human form and only so many clothing items, poses, and toys, etc. Most sites probably shoot for what the avg subscriber finds appealing or interesting. I assume they find out what people want via suggestions or ratings. If you fall outside the average, you likely are not going to get prime cuts of material that suit your tastes.

I have found that if I find nude photos unnapealing or boring, it's usually because I have been looking at too much porn. To put it candidly, if I take a break from porn, I find that after I view it again, I grow wood over stuff I used to find boring or commonplace.

I think there is truth to the folks who say those of us who view porn a lot get desensitized to it and need more and more stuff we aren't used to seeing in order to get arroused. Kind of like drinking--the more you drink, the more you will need to get a buzz. I cut back on my porn consumption a while back and subscribed to only one site the the past months after dumping one site that ripped me off. I vew it on occasion now as opposed to pretty much every other day. I appreciate it more as an art form and as an enchancement to my sex life.

I know that sounds odd, but I think the only way to keep it interesting is moderation. Otherwise, you just keep subscribing to stuff and spending a lot of money until you come across the few images that get your attention. Then you repeat etc....

Anyways, my two cents. understand what you are saying, though. A lot of material does seem to be pretty sterile in terms of general things like poses etc..I attribute this to the demands for volume. The goal is to keep churning out materail to keep customers subscribing.

06-11-12  05:25pm - 896 days Why can't we score reviews less than 50? (10 Posts) - #6
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Also, I wanted to add that this would not impact the legit players. We all know them--BangBros, ATK, RealityKings, DDF Newtork, etc..These guys will score high regardless of any bias because people will see through the bias. Sites like these will continue to rate in the 80's and 90's, regardless of what any one individual does.

The only people who stand to lose are the true lemons. And they should lose.

06-11-12  05:14pm - 896 days Why can't we score reviews less than 50? (10 Posts) - #5
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Well, I would rate fairly. For example, the last site I got boned at I would rate the actual quality of the content fairly decent. But as far as the service, connectivity, and hidden bandwidth restrictions etc, compared to sites I have experience with, I would rate the user experience pretty abysmal--10 for user experience/interface and a score of 1 for services rendered.I would actually give it a 10 as an honest and overall appraisal of its worth to an average consumer.

In fairness, I coild not say the site deserved a score of 50 that I had to give it due to the minimum restriction. So, in essence, I thought I was being dishonest by giving it a 50 as it was not my honest assesment or opinion. Basically, the rule says you have to artificially inflate your score if it is below 50. This restriction negated my true objective opinions. The result is an artifically inflated score that favors the shady business, not the next unsuspecting consumer who is about to be boned like I was. Edited on Jun 11, 2012, 05:20pm

06-11-12  04:35pm - 896 days Why can't we score reviews less than 50? (10 Posts) - #3
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I understand the sentiment. If people just use an AVG value to determine a sites worth, then the results can be skewed if someone singles them out without cause. However, the opposite can be true. By limiting a low score to 50, overall scores can be inflated and give people a false sense of security. Also, people with an agenda can just as easily artificially inflate a sites score, as well. Why aren't the high scores people can apply limited to, say, 80? That way, those with an agenda cannot artifically inflate the score and give them an advantage. It goes both ways.

I just think that most reasonable people can tell when someone has an agenda or is being unreasonable in specific cases. Trust ratings also can help someone decide if someone is really being honest. If someone with a Trust score of 100 rated a site a 22, for example, I would tend to give greater weight to their view than someone new with only 2 trust ratings.

Sites like this are really the only way to get any kind if info you trust in this discreet business. I say if a site is not on the level, it should be noted and scored as such, and the issue shouldn't be sugar-coated.

Just my two cents. Again, I don't mean to overstep bounds.

06-11-12  04:13pm - 896 days Why can't we score reviews less than 50? (10 Posts) - Original Post - #1
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Why can't we score reviews less than 50?

It doesn't take long to discover that there are some less than reputable players in this business who have questionable business practices.

In fact, the last two sites I signed up for are intentionally misleading customers and, in essence, ripping them off. They should not be rewarded with scores of 50. This is an insult to the legit players out there who are on the level. There are some shady characters in this business and it is best to not treat them with kid gloves.

IMO, there should be freedom to rate a site according to the merits and drawbacks of the site, without having to limit a rating to some arbitraty value. I like to call a spade a spade.

It is not my site and I am not trying to overstep my bounds. I just feel that if a site is up to no good or the content quality falls far below a bare minimum of what the average paying customer should expect, they do not deserve a 50. They deserve a lemon badge.



06-03-12  10:29am - 904 days Are porn stars getting more respect? (20 Posts) - #14
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It is hard to answer because the question is a bit ambiguous. Respect them, in what sense?

Respect them as human beings?

Respect them because of their choice of profession?

It is hard to respect someone I don't know personally so I cannot answer this question. I don't really respect people because what they do for work or do in the bedroom. Some people are assholes, some people are not. Respect is something earned, not something granted or taken away by default. Do I respect Movie Stars, NFL Players, or the guy who delivers the paper in the morning? I don't know. I never met them on a personal level.

As far as a general statatement, I would be inclined to think that those who have are offended by pornography will likely hold no respect towards those who produce it and engage in it. In general, however, I don't think people give it much thought and are pretty neutral on the subject. If they were polled, their answer would likely align with their moral sentiments towards pornography in general, as stated above.

02-17-12  06:05pm - 1011 days The 'Great Porn Debate' (29 Posts) - #25
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Well, I think trust is something earned, not something granted to an indivudal as a deafult personality trait. In my day-to-day life, whether or not I trust someone has nothing to do with what their personal beliefs are. I never ask, really.

Would I trust a Christian more than a Buddhist, Atheist, or Muslim around my unattended wallet? I would trust none of them until I knew them well enough to know they are not asshats. Either one could swipe my wallet. An athiest could swipe my ewallet just as easily as a christian or buddhist. Just because they say they are a chritian or athiest or buddhist doesn't mean they obtain a get out of jail free card with me by default. Once the indivudal shows that they are are decent, law abiding people, and this is shown through their actions, not by their words or professions, I would trust them around my wallet.

As far as someone using their personal religious beliefs as justifications to make moral judgements, I don't think it is any more irational than someone who is not religious using their own moral convictions to make decisions. Neither of these positions stem from reason or logic, as I stated earlier.

I am not a religious person and I am not defending any belief system. I am an agnostic. I just think we tend to overemphasize the place of reason in human affairs when discussing such issues. As David Hume pointed out, "Reason has never motivated a man to do anything." Never happened. Not to Richard Dawkins or the Pope. Like any other animal, we are creatures of instincts, emotions, or feelings. The only difference is that pur species has been bestowed by nature with the tool of reason. Reason, however is just a tool and it is never the impetus to action. Why do we do anything at all? Lift a fork to our mouth, have sex, give to chairty, debate religion, or decide to respond to posts on a porn users forum? The answer is never reason. We are all irrational creatures. Some people harbor strange religious delusions I cannot accept and do not understand. But that does not make them any less rational. It just makes them deluded. Edited on Feb 17, 2012, 06:15pm

02-17-12  11:51am - 1011 days The 'Great Porn Debate' (29 Posts) - #22
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I usually try not to think in black and white terms when it comes to religion and politics. I try to judge others the way I would want them to judge me - not by what they believe or what they do in the bedroom but by how they behave towards others. Some people in life can be asshats, ones belief system notwithstanding. I dislike these individuals not because of what they believe or don't believe but because of what they do.

Stalin was an asshat. Not because he was an atheist but because he was an amoral sociopath. Someone like Ted Haggard was an asshat, not because of his Christian beliefs but because he was a hypocrite.

02-17-12  11:42am - 1011 days The 'Great Porn Debate' (29 Posts) - #21
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sdulpicate post sorry Edited on Feb 17, 2012, 11:52am

02-16-12  06:35pm - 1011 days What's in a name? (11 Posts) - #5
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


When I had a membership to Fucked Hard 18 recently I was a bit disappointed to see the models listed only by their first name. I'm pretty meticulous (ie anal...) about cataloging my collection and I want full names in case I want to locate all the scenes on a model that I might later have some interest in. Some of them were obvious, but since FH18 uses a lot of new, little known models I spent a lot of time on IAFD tracking models by identifying characteristics. Names like Allie, Bailey, Kara (there were four Karas on the site...), Katie, Lexi, Tiffany and Victoria are VERY popular choices among ladies just starting out and who have done little work. My guess is that if they aren't creative enough to come up with a unique name then they probably aren't creative enough to become a star.


Well, I suspect that the studios or producers might be choosing the names for the models, just for marketing purposes. I would think the studios or modeling agencies are trying to build an image and might select the name accordingly. Models also seem to be changing their names quite frequently, which only adds to the confusion.

02-16-12  06:33pm - 1011 days What's in a name? (11 Posts) - #4
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


Common names are a bad idea for porn girls for one specific reason: For a girl (especially the ones in the US), your name is your branding, and you want to own your brand. If someone types your name into Google, you want the first 10 links to actually be about you. You want to be able to buy the domain "yourname".com in case you ever decide to make your own website. That's why you almost never see a name like "Barbara Smith" anymore. They don't have to be deliberately "dippy" or "porny", but if you're looking to make a real career out of it, it should definitely be original and not common.



Common names sure worked in the 70's and 80's. I guess you have a point with the web and URL's being a consideration, however. And there weren't as many models back then. It's just that I have seen enough Ravens and Jaydens today that I can't really distinguish between them anymore--at least not from memory.

Most anyone over 30 would know past adult film stars just from their names. Christy Canyon, Georgina Spelvin, Jill Kelly, Seka. Then, in the late 80's it got really convoluted. I hoenstly don't recall the difference between Porsche Lyn or Brandi Lyn. Now we have Jayden Staxx, Raven, etc....say who??? Most people will never remember any of the stars today by their stage names in 5 years.

02-16-12  04:28pm - 1012 days What's in a name? (11 Posts) - Original Post - #1
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What's in a name?

I was reading Denner's post about model names and didn't want to hijack the thread so thought I would discuss the issue here.

I was wondering what your vote would be for the most overused or obnoxious stage names chosen by models in the industry?

Back in the 80's and 90's there were a lot of Ambers,Bunnies, Porsches, Lynn's, and Stacys. Sometime in the 80's, models stopped using common street names and tried to get real creative. Like today, however, it just got repetitive.

I personally dislike the following name choices and cringe at any name that ryhmes( e.g. Alexis Texas) : Alexis, Nikki, Candi, Jasymn, Rio,or Jayden. I also wish models would stop using a lot of X's in the last names like Staxx or what have you.

I wish the industry would drop the dippy Tracy Trollop conventions and go back to more common fare when choosing names. IMO, I would find a name like Barbara Smith or Jane Williams to be more interesting and attractive than the overused cliches chosen today.

Just my two cents. It would be interesting to hear your opinions. Edited on Feb 16, 2012, 04:39pm

02-15-12  05:47pm - 1013 days Hacker claims porn site users compromised (24 Posts) - #18
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Well, I don't think it's really about being liberal or conservative. Most people have their views and opinions evolve throughout the course of their life. Very few people start and end life as hardcore liberals or conservatives across the board.

In terms of popular labels, I guess I would have been classified as a hardcore liberal in my days of youth. Always voted Dem across the board. Today, I would classify myself as a socially liberal, fiscaly conservative, independant voter.

02-15-12  05:19pm - 1013 days The 'Great Porn Debate' (29 Posts) - #12
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Yeah, religion usually creates arguments. I just started this topic as I thought it would make for interesting conversation.

Really, what I was saying earlier was that regardless of how you have come to define your personal values or ethics, especially with regards to situational stuff like porn, this is unique to each inidivual and reason or argument usually isn't going to change anyone's mind. Everyone is entitled to their thoughts and views and these should be respected.

The only issue I would take is if someone were to tell me that their subjective values should also be mine, and they would try to force this on me. I would then take exception. Other than that, I really don't judge anyone differently if they see porn as morally offensive, regardless of why or how they arrived at this view. The fact is, there are many people who do object to it and I don't doubt their sincerity. Some arguments I have seen do have a bit of merit but they are usually references to extreme situations that are not the rule.

Quite honestly, when I come across someone like Max Hardcore, it's hard not to side with them on some points. When people take these extreme examples, I can see where they are coming from if they think this is representative of all porn--which is how the spind doctors usually present it.

Most of those in the anti-porn movement tend to equate the entire porn industry with extreme hardcore, violence, and degradation. They ignore the bulk of the industry, which is simply softcore, nude glamour, or classic style gonzo porn that is about as violent and degrading as anything racy you would see on Broadcast or Cable TV, minus the full nudity and pentetration. It's not wrong to watch simulated sex, but if you catch site of bare tit, a wardrobe malfunction, or a shot of insertion, it becomes degarding and evil. As far as softcore, it is usually low key enough that if you objected to it, the vast majority of people would likely classify you as holding extremely conservative values tthat would border on prudish. Again, it's fine to pay a Victoria's secret model to pose for a bra ad in a Newspaper. But if you pay here to flash bare tit, it becomes degrading. Somewhere along the line, Western civiliation tagged the human body as nasty. Indigenous populations in Africa and Australia don't have this problem.

I am not into hardcore or extreme stuff myself. Yeah, I have seen some stuff I would subejctively classfiy as a bit nasty and over the top--even degrading. But I just never really cared for hardcore in general. Its the extreme stuff that just hands out ammo to anti-porn industry. Edited on Feb 15, 2012, 05:35pm

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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


I don't see how the pastor in that debate can rationally claim the moral high ground. He uses 'belief' in a made up entity to control people. That seems blatantly immoral to me. At least the performers are doing it through choice, whereas the pastor uses fear to make his members do what he wants them to.

Does anyone else find it scary that people like that are still allowed to persist?


I don't think objecting to porn on moral or ethical grounds could be called irrational. Personal morals and ethics are not based on reason. If I see something I find morally objectionable, it is never because I reasoned myself into that position. I feel it to be unethical based on my own feelings-perhaps empathy or some vague notion that this just isn't right or I have a sense of guilt or shame.

I guess one could argue that framing ones moral views based on religious dogma or edicts- I.e. someone told me I should feel this way and believe this- could be considered irrational. However, I would not label this irrational-perhaps naive and gullible. Religious beliefs can be framed as irrational but it's hard to really get inside anyone's head when it comes to personal judgements so I can't say someone is behaving irrationally by allowing religious views to guide moral convictions. I can consider the religious views themselves irrational, however. But someone objecting to porn for personal moral reasons I would not call any more irrational than my finding someone clubbing a baby seal to be immoral and unethical. I can't prove or disprove my feelings that clubbing a baby seal is wrong. I just feel that it is. I don't object to clubbing baby seals by using the argument that it is irrational to do do.

Sexual morals and ethics are a different animal and seem to be all over the board. I guess many people have been fretting over what everyone is doing in their bedroom for many centuries. I think the obsession with the subject comes from the association of sex and nudity with feelings of shame and guilt. Sex is often referred to as 'doing the nasty.' To a large degree these feelings have been born out of our early experiences with Religious ideology. If you are told from a young age that masturbation is inherently wicked and evil and any type of sexual expression outside of marriage is equally nasty, you are obviously going to carry this baggage with you into adulthood.

As far as my own convictions, I obviously do not object to porn on moral grounds but do have my limits. When I come across something like max hardcore, those feelings I mentioned kick in and I get that sensation that, 'this just isn't right.' I would not attempt to debate it with anyone nor would I tell someone they are wrong for having a different feeling. I would just not give such an individual my business and would steer clear. As far as porn, in general, however, it's just entertainment and the human body is not evil. As long as the participants are not being coerced or harmed, whatever floats your boat. Edited on Feb 15, 2012, 11:15am

02-14-12  06:12pm - 1013 days The 'Great Porn Debate' (29 Posts) - Original Post - #1
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The 'Great Porn Debate'

I was browsing through Netflix last night and came across a Nighltine episode of 'the great porn debate', taking place at Yale University. I had heard about this traveling debate before but never saw one myself.

Ron 'The Hedgehog' Jeremy and a female adult performer were going up against the pastor of the xxx church and one of his members. I thought it was worth some discussion as I enjoy debates in general and this subject would probably make for good conversation on the board. Has anyone seen one of the debates?

As an actual debate, I thought it fell well short of containing any substantial or original content. Most of the arguments and rebuttals were classic fare.The purpose of a debate is to convince an audience of the merits of your position and fend off crticisim from the opposition. Unfortunately, I did not think either party was that successful. Jeremy came across more as a pitchman for the industry and his opponents didn't fare any better in this regards. Jeremy was relying on his Charisma and legendary status to appeal to the largely male-dominant college crowd. His celebrity status definitely gave him an advantage here and I think some in the audience were more interested in his presence. The pastor actually never played up the religion card and there were only a few passing references to Christian dogma. I think it has finally sunk in with the opponents that using the 'Jesus' card is not going to win you many converts in such a debate--especially at a place like Yale.

The first objection was that young, naive, uneducated, unemployed women looking for easy money is ripe ground for exploitation. Women are being preyed upon and coerced into the business with the promise of easy money. It went back and forth for a bit with no real substance. It wasn't until an audience member posed a question that anyone was given any real food for thought. Most of the criticism and responses were the usual fare. In fact, the only novel or interesting anti-industry criticism or pro-industry rebuttals came from the audience. One in particular stands out --'How is being paid $1,000 for a couple of hours performing on a set any more exploitive than a single mother of three working for $7.20 flipping burgers at McDonalds?'. It was one of the very few ideas presented in the debate that could have led to some interesting and unique dialogue. Unfortunately, the pastor wouldn't touch that one with a ten-foot pole and for some reason, Jeremy never went on the offensive with this. He seemed to be sticking to canned answers. Nothing original of unique from anyone. It was a bit disappointing, albeit entertaining, just due to the presence of the legendary Hedgehog.

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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


While hackers do present a clear and present danger, on a bigger scale what I think effects us is info like this:

Twelve years ago, of the world's 100 largest economic entities, 51 were corporations and 49 countries. The world's top 200 corporations account for over a quarter of economic activity on the globe while employing less than one percent of its workforce.

" Few trends could so thoroughly undermine the very foundations of our free society as the acceptance by corporate officials of a social responsibility other than to make as much money for their stockholders as possible. "
Economist Milton Friedman in his 1962 book Capitalism and Freedom

For some reason I find this scary.


Well, when I was younger, I was more liberal in regards to my views on economics.

Yeah, there is a lot of underhanded activity on the part of some corporations. Greed, however, is a human fault, not a corporate one.

The possibiltiy of profit drives the market and makes production possible. We are the ones fueling it. Our instatiable demand for goods and services fuels this and makes it possible. Without a product and consumers to purchase these products, there is no profit and there is nobody willing to invest in the infrastructure to create the manufacturing which produces the goods.

We would all be complaining if we didn't have our internet, laptops, ipads, automobiles, and amusement parks. Nobody is going to supply such things as part of a not-for-profit undertaking. You need someone to put up the money to buy the machinery to create the goods. Nobody is going to do this for free without a decent chance of returns on their investment. If you don't get such investment capital, you will have no money to build. The allure of profit is the driver that makes it possible for people to be willing to venture into such an undertaking. Without it, we have no goods to amuse ourselves.

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^True but you are assuming that these hackers are teens living in their parents basement and not competitiors who are trying to get back at Brazzer for being such great business. I wouldn't put it pass any business to try and make a buck by attacking another site's security and using the customers insecurities to increase traffic to your own site.

I know my idea sounds a little far-fetch but my current view on large corporation in general is rather negative since I heard a story that Sony raised the price on one of Whitney's most popular album by 60% the night she passed away. Now that's what I call corporate greed.


Hi. Yeah, I guess anything is possible but my bet is on the teen living in mother's basement. Incidents like this have negative ramifications for any pay site on the net.

Regarding the album price increase, it's just supply and demand. The albums are now going to be in big demand and will command a higher price. The goal of a corporation is to mazimize profits. Yes, it is greed, but I wouldn't call this incident the nefarious and shady kind of greed like Enron. Anyone selling something wants to get the highest price they can. If nobody buys at the price, it will go down. I actually would think the price would be higher than 60%. If they start selling out, the price will go through the roof.

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Originally Posted by tboy:


hahaha, made me chuckle.


It's actually a shame. These are bright kids who could have a very lucrative career in IT if they would put their talents to good use. Unfortunately, instead of doing something productive, they choose to live in their mother's basement, living off of three-day old pizza while trying to gain the attention of their peers.

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The Spam you get probably isn't from hacked info.

All those discount cards you sign up for at the grocery store, pharmacy, gas station, etc..all that stuff makes it's way into a marketing database eventually. The providers claim they don't sell or give away the information but that is only a half-truth. If you read the fine print, you will usually see that there is an asterik which says something to the effect of:

* We will not sell or supply info to third parties. We will occasionally send you offers...etc..

How third party is defined can be vague. Basically, it usually means non-affiliates or marketing consultants they are in business with. Most consumer banking entities are usually simply affiliates or a subsidiary of a larger entity or corporation. For example, if you sign up for a discount card with a retailer that is partly owned by citigroup, you may find you get spammed with offers for credit cards or home equity lines.

I suppose the same thing may be true of CCBill. They haven't given you info a way to a thrid party. If it indeed originated with CCBill, they probably just are affiliated with, or alligned with other business entities that deal with marketing. So they really didn't give it away to a third party. Edited on Feb 13, 2012, 04:13pm

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That name rang a bell but couldn't remember where . Then I remembered seeing an industry article a while back where she was listed as a handfull to work with. Remembered a video too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlGUrvfk7...youtube_gdata_player

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Well, I still think there are just too many sites on the net and the pricing structure can't really be altered that much now that it is set.

I would think the best opprtunity for growth would come not from trying to adjust the per-minute rates but to offer something other sites do not and going with an entirely different experience. As I was discussing earlier, I think most people are just caught up in the persoanl interaction, not so much the images and video feeds themselves. If you want to see boobs and action, you can get this easily in HD quality today for a low price.

I think the 'Virtual Girfriend' experience is what would sell. Message boards and one-on-one interactions that are not just limited to the same old web cam experience. I would think just trying something new and setting yourself apart from the commonplace would get more traffic and interest than lowering a price or going to a flat-rate cam experience.

Various rate plans like Gold, Silver, Bronze etc would allow you varying access and itneractions.

If I was a young entrepeneur in the adult entertainment world and had money to invest in infrastructure, I would be thinking of doing something akin to Facebook. Social sites are the rage and people like interacting with pretty women(or guys). You could develop an exlcusive community of paying members that might even develop into a free site if advertising comes in if the site gets popular. Something like that would be a pot of gold, IMO, if someone could make it work.

Thats just my two cents, however. Edited on Feb 12, 2012, 04:43pm

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Ouch.

Obviously, this will hurt new subscriptions and renewals, not just for Brazzers but for the paid industry in general. Unlike other online business ventures, privacy is an extra-sensitive issue for many user--me included. Nothing will scare away users from paid porn sites more than the idea of someone getting hold of their name, location, and email info and making it public on the net.

The silver lining for consumers in this scenarios is that it's a safe bet that other sites will now scramble to make sure they have their bases covered. In other words, they will do what should have done to begin with--proper due diligence in relation to security measures. Sounds like they just got lazy and left too many loopholes hanging out there.

Unfortunately, like Sony, they will learn the hard way that you can't skimp on security and need to always be on guard and take appropriate measures to always know what the latest threats are and where you are vulnerable.

I do like the quote, however:

"The hacker claiming responsibility for the breach told The Associated Press that he carried out the attack to draw attention to the site's vulnerability."

mmmm..OK.

You mean you really did it just to make a name for yourself and gain some street cred among your fellow sociopaths and delinquents at Anonymous. Spare us the story about being the noble knight coming to the rescue. Anonymous always puts out this line to try to obscure the obvious fact thay they are just a bunch of antisocial delinquents and vandals running amok. Edited on Feb 11, 2012, 08:00pm

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Originally Posted by Simarimas:


I appreciate these thoughts Bubba, and to a point agree with them. However, in the same way as earning the tip, for many camsites, repeat business is a must. So if a model does take too long, or is not giving the customer what he wants, he won't come back for a second show. Most, not all, models are aware of this, and so try to give the best show possible. Regular customers are a cam models staple. Also, the customer can end the chat at any time, so if the model is not giving what you want, bail out.

And, in your scenario, some of this can be done for tips, in free chat. If you want to see boobs, ask the model what it would cost to see them, If you want more, ask, they will give you a price for that up front. On some of the larger sites, not mine, the girls will masturbate in public free chat for tips.

As with anything, there is a risk involved. I am sure you have purchased a video from a site, expecting something it did not deliver. And odds are, you did not give that site return business. Same thing.


I certainly agree with your points. If a model is playing games with a customer, they just won't come back and word will eventually get out. I also would think that repeat business is probably the bread and butter of cam sites. I am just speaking from the perspective of reality--the way it currently is structured, most potential customers are going to find it way too expensive

In terms of growth, that is a different animal. I know nothing about the business model or how the prices are set. Just using common sense, however, those $2.99 and $7.99 per minute pricing models I see advertised at many sites are going to scare people away. Going back to the original post, I think a flat rate subscription fee or ala carte menu that is reaonable, would be the only way to in draw customers who are interested but find the pricing to be too aggressive.

How to do that and keep the models happy and keep a profit is obviously not something easy to figure out or it would probably already be done. Given that there are cam sites all over the net, the models will just bail and go to a competitor who offers the per-minute rates.Given the current pricing, the only thing a site can do to attract customers is offer lower rates than competitors. But then the quality of the models willing to work for the lower rates will likely suffer. In terms of the industry-wide web cam 'economy', the structure is already set and it would be hard to change unless the entire industry was torn down and reworked. Unless a majoirity of sites start coming out with flat rate subscription fees instead of per-minute, anny attempt by a small handful to do as such, will likely end up in them finding themselves between a rock and a hard place.

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If I subscribed to a cam site, I think the problem I would have with paying a per-minute fee for a personal show is due to the fact that the model controls the transaction and sets the pace. The buyer has no control over this.

If someone visited a brothel and paid a flat rate for a service, the model wants to deliver the service and get it over as quickly as possible. With a web show, it is in the best economic interest of the model to drag the service on as long as possible. I can imagine a model getting someone to attend a private viewing and then take five minutes just to undress, another five to tease, and on and on. By the time the customer got what he came to see, he's possibly contemplating taking out a second mortgage to finance the credit card bill just incurred.

IMO, an a la carte menu would be more fair. Have a flat rate for a private show with tips as an option. Want to see boobs? Here's the price. Want to see me play for five minutes? Here's the price for that. The model would want to deliver a good show because she wants the tip at the end. If a customer feels they didn't get good service, they won't tip.

If the cam business wants to grow a customer base, the only way to do that is to give the supplier less control over the transaction and make things more equitable. The way the per-minute fees are priced is absurd, IMO. They saw you coming.

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On the subject of toys and injury. I used to work part-time as an EMT during my college days. You would be surprised what you come across. Injury from sex gone wrong or from toys or props is more common than you think.

People frequently show up to the ER with things broken off in an orifice or sometimes because of injury to their body due to rough play or activity. People break off candles, carrots, soap bars, you name it. Due to embarassment, most will only call EMS or head to the ER if they can't resolve the problem themselves. The worse case I heard of, but did not respond to, was when a guy shattered a lightbulb in his rear. He nearly died of blood loss before getting to the ER. The worse thing I personally was involved with was a guy who broke off a very large votive candle inside his rear. It snapped in half and he was hunched over in pain and couldn't move. In the ER, tHey had to use muscle relaxers and forceps to extract it.

I never recall hearing about injury from commercial sex toys, but i m sure it has happened. But guys do occasionally get their wiener stuck inside soda bottles, tubes, pipes, you name it. They also accidentally get cut or injured from these things. Anyone who has worked in emergency medicine has seen it all.

If it doesn't look something wise to be playing with, it's best to find something else.

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Does it make you a perv? No. Primates have been chaffing their carrot ever since they discovered that they had an opposable thumb and could grip things. Ever since we came out of the trees and our cranial capacity increased, our species has spent a great deal of time coming up with ever more creative ways to stimulate ourselves. How one applies the stimulation is largely irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it comes from the hand or something else.

However, there are healthy and safe means to this end and there are potentially unhealthy or physically damaging ones. When you are young, you don't think about this aspect of it, but putting your penis inside a vaccuum cleaner tube and turning it on probably is not the most safe or healthy means of getting off. You could eventually rupture a blood vessel and permanently damage the vessicles that cirulate the blood and make an erection possible. This could also cause nerve tissues to die off and decreased sensations. Down the road, you might discover that you can no longer get it up, even with Viagara.

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Well I suppose after a year or so in a business like this, you hear it all. There are fetishes most of us probably never thought existed. I read a story on cnn a few years back in the odd news section where a guy in Australia was arrested for indecent exposure for having sex with his lawn mower on the front lawn.

I understand what you mean though. When you hear about someone asking to purchase a 6ft tall silicone t-rex with boobs and custom made oral and anal orifices, you feel less like a creepy perv for having an interest in just acquiring a regular silicone replica of a woman. It's all relative in the end. One man's trash is anothers treasure. If you aren't hurting anyone or breaking the law, whatever floats your boat.

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I never saw the show so can't say. Sounds interesting and unique though. Maybe you can write the show to get the name of the shop and see if its available.

The doll I have isn't a item from the real doll factory. I ordered from a small shop. There are a number of small shops today who produce these things. Mainly artists who have retired or found its a opportunity. Sex sells. It's a long way from our granddaddys blowup. People don't just get them for sex though. There is a female photographer in ny who works with them. Women buy them too. They have male dolls, alien dolls, whatever. From my conversations with the shop I ordered mine from, they get really far out requests. One guy wanted a replica of his grandmother. Artist refused. Another guy wanted a minotaur doll with three holes. Someone else wanted a dinosaur with an oral head. Wtf?

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Actually, no. You can do this as there is a small oral cavity to enter but it is shallow. You risk damage, especially around the corner of the mouth. some people will but you risk having the face look like the Joker from Batman when you're done. . A lot of people get one and ruin it quickly. They tear the legs or try to put into an akward position and snap the skeleton. I was reading about a guy who shredded his in a day.

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Thanks. I only have one. I wouldn't recommend them unless you had space and don't mind if someone comes across it. You can't just throw it under the bed. They are really hand crafted silicone works and can be damaged easily if care is not taken. A lot of people get one and regret it. If you don't store them on a stand, they get compression damage over time. They also are heavy -some over 100lbs.

I just consider mine a piece of erotic art like I would a painting or photo. As a fetish item to engage in sex play, imo they are a bit over
rated and the cost and mgaintenance vs returns is not great. If one wanted a doll as a masturbation aid for play, there are much cheaper options.

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I still have a few old softcore magazines from the 80's and 90's. I never threw them out and keep them in a plastic binding as a collectors items-kind of like saving old baseball cards.

As far as digitial, I really haven't got into that until recently so don't even have a few gigs of materials. I really only keep photos that I enjoy and don't save whole galleries.

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Originally Posted by graymane:


I don't know about collectors items... but those mechanical vacuum pumps, strokers, rotors and built in vibrators are about as close to the real thing that's come down the pike.
One major caveat... the dammed thing's appetite for batteries would leave the Cookie monster and Pac-man's gobbling power in a cloud of dust This problem is compounded by the fact they're very poorly put together. Every one I've tried was worn-out in a week's time. In fact, Adam and Eve's North Carolina distributors refuses to sell me any more because I've had to send back 100% of what they've sold me.
The sensation these gadgets provide, however, is flat-mind-blowing. It's like a good book, once you get into it you can't lay it down.
I figure The answer, and forth-coming popularity is clearly kickin' out the rodents who're currently slam-banging them together and gettin' some serious innovators in on the act and start putting some quality in in all phases of self-sexual-stimulation devices.
Wouldn't hurt to create some of'm that uses AC power.... I'm guessin' the reason that hasn't come to fruition is because of a fear of law suites piling up from fried cocks.


Yeah. A lot of the products seem to be made of cheapo materials. Even a lot of guys who own the high end dolls report them falling apart sometimes.

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Yeah, that's very true, especially if you have kids or family around. Being unattached and free does have its benefits, however. . I actuall keep it out in the open in the living room. Friends have seen it. Not oversexualized so tolerated.

Actually, despite the connotation that a sex object such as a sex doll or other such item holds in the public eye, they make wonderful photo subjects. I don't do much work with still life am into nature and wildlife mainly in the hobby. But it is quite enjoyable to get creative when you feel like doing some photo work and don't feel like going out.

I try to get ideas from glamour magazines. I enjoy erotic photography not just to get off but I also enjoy viewing it as an art form. That's probably why I don't care much for hardcore. It's not easy, either, as I learned quickly. I always thought glamour and erotic photography was relatively easy. Anyone who thinks these guys shooting for the publications have it easy, it's not. I admire the skill of a lot of the photographers out there. It can be time consuming and frustrating. To be honest I wouldn't want the job, even if I had the experience and skill.

Here's a couple of the doll I have from a recent shoot. I actually got a custom-made doll with tan lines and a tattoo on the ankle. The doll is actually quite gorgeous.





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Does anyone own sex toys or sculptures?

I never was much into sex toys. I used a fleshglight once but didn't care much for the experience. I do own a high-end silicone real doll I purchased a while ago. I never really use it for sex, though. I think most people think the only reason for buying one is to shag it.

I always was a collector of erotic art and photos and enjoy photgraphy now and then with the doll. It is actually a nice art piece to have around. Kind of ho-hum as a sex toy, however. Cold and clammy.

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Also, another option would be weekly group cam shows scheduled during the week and maybe have a non-cam section where there is personal chat with the model via a peronal message area or something like that--what did you do today? what do you like to eat? That would be interesting and allow one-on-one as well as visual group cam shows.

Or have a 'get to know' model area where some of the models dont have web shows but have this chat message feature where they respond to users who subscribe. I actually would like this as sometimes you wonder about the models themselves beyond just the sex--like you would any performer in Hollywood or Sports, etc

I think the personality of the model is also very important. She may be the best looking one on a site, but if she doesn't come across as personable and friendly, etc...the fantasy is lost. We all know this type--very pretty and sexy but has the personality of a snail. Personality can be more sexy than looks. At least to me. Edited on Feb 05, 2012, 11:20am

02-05-12  10:59am - 1023 days Looking for Flatrate Cam Site (27 Posts) - #13
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I don't think its out of bounds at all. The site owners don't know what people want--or are willing to pay--unless they ask.

My two cents:

I think there would be a number of options that paying customers would find reasonable. As I mentioned, some sites do offer free weekly cam shows as part of the regular subscription. I belong to one myself. IMO, this would serve as an enticement for new members to join and it would also serve as an enticement to keep members around if/when they became bored with the content. They might also be less prone to just grabbing what content they can in a month and leaving for good.

There could also be a subscription plan--one with regular content and one with regular content + free web cam shows that are scheduled during the week. As long as the fees aren't too much, I believe most consumers interested in cams might pay for it if there were a few shows each week in the evenings when most people are around.

The question regarding what is too much is something that is subjective. Personally, if a site charged $29.99 for regular subscription and charged an additional $9.99 for the web cam subs, a lot of people might find this reasonable. The shows would need to be somehwat decent, however, or word would just get out that it's not worth it. Anything higher than the $9.99 charge, I think people mgiht start to balk. That is just my hunch, however.

I guess a business could only experiment and they will eventually find the price point that maximizes subscriptions. The content does need to be decent, however, and not just a novelty or people will see through it. Finding that price points is the hardest part, I assume.

I honestly dont think sex is the main attraction of something like a cam show. Sure, there will be people who want to just get off quickly and it's all carnal. But I think the attraction is probably more about the personal interactions with an attractive model on more platonic terms. In other words, it would likely appeal to someone who is lonely(we've all been there) and wanted female company beyond just sex. In other words, it is easy to start to think of the model more as an online 'girlfriend' to talk to, rather than just an image in a photo or video. IMO, personal interaction would definately keep more subscribers. How many is anyone's guess. The experience with the subscription site becomes more personal and meaningful when there is interaction.

That's just my candid and honest opinion, however. It's all fantasy and a business. I just think the pay-per-minute sites operate on a predatory pricing model. Edited on Feb 05, 2012, 11:13am

02-05-12  10:20am - 1023 days Looking for Flatrate Cam Site (27 Posts) - #10
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I noticed that somes web sites do have free interatictive cam shows as part of their subscriptions but these are often niche sites.

I am someone who is new to online erotica and never really paid any attention to webcams. I have never seen a cam show until recently when I signed up for a site I was interested in. It comes as part of the monthly subscription and I wasn't aware of it until I signed up.

I have looked at some of the pay sites like LiveJasmin, just out of curiosity regarding what they are all about. But my impression of these is that they are way way way too expensive. When I see what some of the per-minute charges are, I was a bit taken aback. Most are asking for about $3.99 a minute. Some up to $7.99. My first reaction was, are you kidding me? A minute??? By the time you are done with a 5 minute show, you could get a month's subscription at an erotic site of your choice.

I am not anti webcam. I just think they are ridiculously expensive to the point of absurdity. If you got into this, you could spend a lot of money very quickly--especially if you are an impulsive buyer. If you were doing it once a month or so, I guess it wouldn't set you back any more than than going to an adult cabaret and paying the model for a private strip show. However, if you are the kind that visits a lot, you are probably going to get rolled.

02-05-12  09:58am - 1023 days Anyone ever have bank call over charges? (16 Posts) - #7
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Yes, it is nice to know the bank has security in place. They would be insane not to, with all the fraud that takes place these days. They are the ones that end up eating the charge and it gets charged back to the vendor where the charge originated. The vendor is always responsibile for verifying that the individual making the charge is the actual card holder. This can't always be possible on the net and there will be fraud. But they end up eating the chargebacks, regardless. If it happens too much, the bank or cc company just shuts them out from CC billing altogether as they figure they are a liability.

I have a mobile banking account set up as well so I always know what happens on any account I hold with my bank. Most people should sign up for this, especially if you make a lot of cc purchases online. I get instant notices of any and all deposits, debits, or cc purchased delivered wirelessly. It works efficiently, too. If I am filling up my car and swipe my debit card, by the time I am pulling out of the lot, my Iphone rings with the IM message about the transaction. If someone made a fraud charge on my account, I would know about it immediately.

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