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11-09-13  04:31pm - 257 days Original Post - #1
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The Way You Get Internet Porn is About to Change

This has been at best a minor news story but the ramifications will probably be felt by many of us in the upcoming years.

Currently, the US operates on a loose premise of "net neutrality" where ISPs cannot discriminate against websites or web traffic based upon the origin or content of the material being transmitted. This became law back in 2010 (however, the rule never applied to wireless or mobile signals - good luck trying to figure which is which now a days). Currently that law is being challenged by Verizon in an appeals court which, although a ruling has not yet been made, has strongly indicated that it will allow ISPs to discriminate against websites.

So, what does this mean? It means that if the law is struck down like many foresee then the web will shift to a "pay to play" format. Websites will have to pay ISPs to prevent them from disrupting traffic or limiting speeds whenever an ISP feels like it for any reason it wants to come up with. Yup, it becomes a shakedown for large internet based companies (Netflix, Amazon, Google, etc.). For smaller internet companies (aka - 99.9% of all porn sites out there), their users will be subject to possible disruptions at peak times or overall slower speeds if the downloader's ISP chooses to go this route.

It is also probable that as internet users we will also get caught up in the shakedown act. Do you want high speed all the time? At peak times? For fast access to websites not paying shakedown money already? If so, then paying your ISP more money for that privilege is probably going to become a theme too.

My guess is that the current laws will get struck down or at least modified so that net neutrality is just a phrase, not reality. If so, then I would expect the "pay to play" model will directly affect porn aficionados first because porn is an easy subject to start limiting, especially all the porn pirating and tube sites, because there is no political voice for this subject. Long term, I would expect things to get back to more "normal" levels like today but we'll all probably be paying more for this new normal.

11-09-13  05:20pm - 257 days #2
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Not really surprising given the increase in traffic, and governments will be happy for ISP's to discriminate against websites who have porn, politically incorrect, politically critical, or whistle blowing material. What surprises me is they have been unable to discriminate until now. It's one more inevitable step towards control of the internet.

11-09-13  05:57pm - 257 days #3
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An extraordinary story!
Especially that it could be synopsized in Witty's own words.
That meaning the superfluously of News media is dumped and interpreted in a much better dialogue that we can appreciate.
We don't see much or enough anymore, consequently missing out on witty guy's profound talent and consummate skill of intensifying the interest and adding spark to whatever flows from his remarkable mind .....always a gift to those of us who are privileged to read his offering.

11-09-13  06:15pm - 257 days #4
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That's horrible. Any way to squeeze that last little drop. Everyone loves the pussy: http://www.skeet-skeet-skeet.com/

11-10-13  01:21am - 256 days #5
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Originally Posted by Carter:


That's horrible. Any way to squeeze that last little drop.


Soooo true!

I go on free porn tube sites every now and then but most of the content I download is legit (especially videos). I pay my trials and monthly memberships just like my internet service and my bills.

But now they want to make us pay some extra fees here and there for using bandwidth? What is this sht?

11-10-13  06:35am - 256 days #6
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I'm not sure if the changes would apply to just porn access but to any website that might provide another buck or that a company wants to restrict. But paying for bandwidth is nothing new - Cox cable does it as well as other companies. I always subscribe to the axiom - "follow the money" because when a company that can squeeze, will squeeze. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat!

11-12-13  12:40pm - 254 days #7
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Paying for bandwidth is still the bid baddie for us today as it will be for some time to come. I use Comcrap for my ISP and even though I pay like $60 a month for standard broadband, I'm limited to 300 GB a month in downloads (although that is not a strict limit - I think they start charging you more if you consistently top that). If I were a heavy Netflix user, heavy online gamer, or had a gigabyte internet connection that limit would probably be blown out of the water each month.

The possible changes coming to internet site access and DL limits imposed by ISPs sort of lead me to the conclusion that the internet (and what now passes as tv) is going to become a lot like the airline industry in that if you want anything extra or even a slightly better experience then you're going to have to pay a fee for it. Until enough people rise up and say they won't put up with all the b.s. it will continue and, in the case of the internet, become the status quo.

The only immediate game changer I see to this world of payola is you, the consumer, agreeing to give up even more privacy so that "sponsors" (aka - ads) will agree to give you some of that better internet experience for free ... but you already know what free gets you.

p.s. Graymane, man if my head isn't big enough already .... just hope I don't find time to reinstitute the PU awards again

11-12-13  12:57pm - 254 days #8
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Even more dangerous than controlling access to information for monetary gain is controlling access to information in order to control the masses. I could see it going this way eventually... Everyone loves the pussy: http://www.skeet-skeet-skeet.com/

11-12-13  03:12pm - 254 days #9
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^ Point well taken!! If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat!

11-12-13  04:41pm - 254 days #10
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You don't need the internet to control the masses. It's been done for thousands of years. I aim to misbehave

11-12-13  05:10pm - 254 days #11
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Good point. It has indeed. Everyone loves the pussy: http://www.skeet-skeet-skeet.com/

11-12-13  06:58pm - 254 days #12
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


p.s. Graymane, man if my head isn't big enough already .... just hope I don't find time to reinstitute the PU awards again


Go ... go with it this last time, witty!
Nothing would please Those who're still around nor spike adrenalin in our newcomers more than to see and once again be a part of this great, purely unique, unprecedented and unexcelled annual event.
It couldn't resurface at a better time. the perfect vintage to compliment closing taps on this great site.

And the accumulation and new material piled up out there since your last award is again simply salivating for you to put this masterpiece together.
A barn-burner, that only you're capable of masterminding, is just what's needed to rekindle interest and to ride PU out in a whirlwind of glory.

I'm here to say I cannot be more serious about my pledge to bite the bullet, joining my friends in being privileged having been included in the award..

I suspect my good friend messmer will now go-with-the-flow, as long as you keep your blows above the belt.

So, big guy, I urge you to get crackin' on those keys and give us something to stir up some welcome and needed excitement a'round here. Edited on Jan 22, 2014, 08:28pm

11-12-13  09:26pm - 254 days #13
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Graymane's post has both confused and enthralled me. Everyone loves the pussy: http://www.skeet-skeet-skeet.com/

11-12-13  09:28pm - 254 days #14
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Originally Posted by Carter:


Graymane's post has both confused and enthralled me.


Get used to it. 6 pack bitches, deal with it

11-13-13  02:29am - 253 days #15
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Originally Posted by Carter:


Graymane's post has both confused and enthralled me.


I gather your reply calls for a thanks, Mr. Carter.
If any of the stuff that I pour into polls, reviews and this forum on a regular basis makes complete sense to anybody, then I'd have to say he should be a tad worried.

I think I've confessed to our Fork-wielding-horned #666 in another post that rolling over the 80 year mark, subsequently living with abundant wear-an-tear and eroding health issues, has among other things took a toll on my ability to even form a simple declarative sentence anymore.

If my style of writing both confuse yet intrigues you at all, then I would appeal to you to go back into the archives and follow my entries up until the present, based on a respectable number of others' comments like yourself, I then can honestly promise you you'll come away thereafter able to better understand, and I'd further venture also widely amused and surprisingly entertained.

Please note, these are not my written views but I'm proud to say are from a scattered number from the usual intellectual breather who abide here at PU.

11-13-13  04:53am - 253 days #16
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Which is why we love you Graymane. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat!

11-13-13  10:40am - 253 days #17
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Originally Posted by graymane:


... the perfect vintage to compliment closing taps on this great site. ...


errr ... rumors of our death are somewhat premature.

Seriously, you talk like PU is dying and that's simply not a fair or accurate take on what's going on. If you feel it is then I fear you've misunderstood the situation.

It is true, the PornUsers domain will not be seeing any new improvements but PU the concept is growing and expanding to something much vaster than what we've had to date.* But even given that, the PornUsers site is not going anywhere for a good while to come.




* And before someone asks, no, I don't have any more news on the new stuff. Senior Administrator
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11-13-13  05:17pm - 253 days #18
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My apologies, chief. It certainly wasn't my intention to phase my message in any way that would cast aspersions on something I care so much for; as well as demonstrating from day one my pride in being associated with Porn users.

I simply followed the forecast I obviously misconstrued from fellow members ...... admittedly advanced in poor context, to which I now deeply regret and apologize for having initiated. Edited on Jan 22, 2014, 09:10pm

11-13-13  06:20pm - 253 days #19
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


Which is why we love you Graymane.


Awwww .....you're a sweetheart, 'ol buddie!
If I knew your address, I'd send you a deluxe bouquet of imported supersoft, deep-tunnel-budded blazing red "Brazilian snappers".

You'll lov'em, JB ....... the flower blossoms are touch-sensitive, with a defense mechanism that clasps, tightly wraps around and vibrates to any long-round object that ventures within its soft-spored inter-tunneled lining.

They aren't cheap .....but for you, Jberry, money is no object.

11-13-13  09:51pm - 253 days #20
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11-14-13  04:03pm - 252 days #21
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


It is also probable that as internet users we will also get caught up in the shakedown act. Do you want high speed all the time? At peak times? For fast access to websites not paying shakedown money already? If so, then paying your ISP more money for that privilege is probably going to become a theme too.

Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


Not really surprising given the increase in traffic, and governments will be happy for ISP's to discriminate against websites who have porn, politically incorrect, politically critical, or whistle blowing material. What surprises me is they have been unable to discriminate until now. It's one more inevitable step towards control of the internet.


But of course! Nothing more American than to have the consumer-denizen perform his or her patriotic duty by opening their wallets and then bending over and taking it up the ass--because if we don't then freedom dies.

Regardless of our government leaders' deepest wishes to treat us as nothing more than a group of helpless five year-olds I think their priority is to protect "free enterprise" (i.e., give us more money!) than it is to hunt down and lock up the Max Hardcores of the world. The current Supreme Court is slightly socially liberal but very business friendly--how else can you explain the Citizens United decision?--which ultimately goes back to Justice Powell and his far-right memo to get corporations more involved in legislation and politics. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Nov 14, 2013, 04:07pm

11-14-13  04:06pm - 252 days #22
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


.... just hope I don't find time to reinstitute the PU awards again


Please do! We could always use some more humor around here. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-14-14  12:01pm - 191 days #23
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As predicted in my initial post above, the fed court of appeals nuked the net neutrality law today. Nothing is going to change overnight as the legal process is not over yet but unless the government passes an actual net neutrality law (the net neutrality provision that just got nuked was an administrative rule, not an actual law passed by Congress and signed by Obama) plan on changes in the next year to two.

Here's a link.

01-14-14  12:42pm - 191 days #24
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We had a similar topic not to long ago, where I hate to be the I told you so guy LOL.

But once we start taking away rights whether you agree personally with those rights or not. But once you allow it, other rights will follow.

I am not going to rehash the topic, but lets just use the word ban, and Constitution. Once you get on the band wagon to allow the government to edit your rights it will not be long until what we have here getting into our bedrooms.
We as citizens of any country need to not ever allow our governments to remove rights.

If we continue to allow any rights removed then we deserve whats left. I see a day when Porn will outlawed and ISP fined for allowing it if we do not say no to allowing the governments to strip our rights, EVEN if you do not agree with the right allowing it sets precedence to go hog wild.

Our freedom of speech could be next possibly and my post would be banned LOLOL.

01-17-14  02:37pm - 188 days #25
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


We had a similar topic not to long ago, where I hate to be the I told you so guy LOL.

But once we start taking away rights whether you agree personally with those rights or not. But once you allow it, other rights will follow.

I am not going to rehash the topic, but lets just use the word ban, and Constitution. Once you get on the band wagon to allow the government to edit your rights it will not be long until what we have here getting into our bedrooms.
We as citizens of any country need to not ever allow our governments to remove rights.

If we continue to allow any rights removed then we deserve whats left. I see a day when Porn will outlawed and ISP fined for allowing it if we do not say no to allowing the governments to strip our rights, EVEN if you do not agree with the right allowing it sets precedence to go hog wild.

Our freedom of speech could be next possibly and my post would be banned LOLOL.



We had a Prime Minister in Canada (Pierre Elliot Trudeau) some time ago who stated quite firmly: "The State has no business in the bedrooms of a nation!" No one, since then, has tried (at least overtly) to contradict him. Sure hope it stays this way. And it's good to see you again!

01-18-14  06:46am - 187 days #26
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Originally Posted by messmer:


We had a Prime Minister in Canada (Pierre Elliot Trudeau) some time ago who stated quite firmly: "The State has no business in the bedrooms of a nation!" No one, since then, has tried (at least overtly) to contradict him. Sure hope it stays this way. And it's good to see you again!


Life was so easy back in 1979.
You could own a gun and people didn't freak out, you could by a playboy and it was fun not dirty. You could go to bars to hang out with friends and not be considered a drunk.

You could rob a liquor store and keep the money, lol ok not the last one seeing who is paying attention.

Some good stuff has occured but seems we are making problems where there are none. Guns, booze and porn have been around hundreds of years together living fine. Then everyone wants to regulate and criminalize what good people do. And not stop the bad people.

The people whom deal in human trafficking,sell and use drugs and run illegal arms, all occur with little sins of ending. And laws never stop the bad guys.

Kinda like in South Cal, the who condom thing, whose business is it ? Its not the governments right to pry into my life.

PS I brought the booze thing as they are now considering changing regulations on alcohol consumption, and also how you protest against law makers is in the lawmaker hands as we speak. As I have said you regulate one Right, and you open the flood gates. I do doubt porn will be open as it is. just too much going on to leave it out of the playing field,

01-18-14  11:05am - 187 days #27
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Life was so easy back in 1979.
You could own a gun and people didn't freak out, you could by a playboy and it was fun not dirty. You could go to bars to hang out with friends and not be considered a drunk.

You could rob a liquor store and keep the money, lol ok not the last one seeing who is paying attention.

Some good stuff has occured but seems we are making problems where there are none. Guns, booze and porn have been around hundreds of years together living fine. Then everyone wants to regulate and criminalize what good people do. And not stop the bad people.

The people whom deal in human trafficking,sell and use drugs and run illegal arms, all occur with little sins of ending. And laws never stop the bad guys.

Kinda like in South Cal, the who condom thing, whose business is it ? Its not the governments right to pry into my life.

PS I brought the booze thing as they are now considering changing regulations on alcohol consumption, and also how you protest against law makers is in the lawmaker hands as we speak. As I have said you regulate one Right, and you open the flood gates. I do doubt porn will be open as it is. just too much going on to leave it out of the playing field,


I think one of the big reasons why Government tends to intervene more than in previous decades is because our society has turned angry, confrontational, lawless (look at all the cases of road rage, mass shootings, bullying (cyber- and otherwise). The reason? Who knows? Some blame the Internet and applications (phones etc.) that allow you to be your nasty self anonymously and the fact that you are no longer interacting with your fellow man in person.

Is it any wonder (to touch upon one of your favorite subjects) that in the light of all those senseless mass killings in movie theaters, schools etc., governments are tempted to impose stricter controls? And, of course, Governments being governments they do tend to get carried away with their righteous causes. Good thing we get to vote every 4 (in your case), 5 years.

01-18-14  07:06pm - 187 days #28
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


As predicted in my initial post above, the fed court of appeals nuked the net neutrality law today. Nothing is going to change overnight as the legal process is not over yet but unless the government passes an actual net neutrality law (the net neutrality provision that just got nuked was an administrative rule, not an actual law passed by Congress and signed by Obama) plan on changes in the next year to two.

Here's a link.


It's disappointing but shouldn't be seen as a surprise really. The american justice system is in thrall to the major corporations there. The corporations can afford the best and biggest law firms and the judges themselves almost always seem to side with the corporation over the individual or the public good unless you are extremely lucky in finding an independent minded judge.

Ever since the courts decided that corporations could be regarded as persons under the law their power has grown and grown. Their ability to lobby and shovel money to politicians and political parties cannot be curtailed and thus they have effective control over politics and justice, over the legislators and over those who interpret legislation and how it is applied to the law. How are private citizens meant to battle against this concentration of power? It makes a mockery of what America is meant to stand for.

It's not just America where this happens of course but because America is the biggest economy on the planet, what happens there affects everybody.

Americans are going to have to realize that the real enemy isn't Iran or North Korea or some other nebulous outside threat, the real enemies are the political class, the justice system and most of all corporate interests.

01-19-14  08:15am - 186 days #29
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I think one of the big reasons why Government tends to intervene more than in previous decades is because our society has turned angry, confrontational, lawless (look at all the cases of road rage, mass shootings, bullying (cyber- and otherwise). The reason? Who knows? Some blame the Internet and applications (phones etc.) that allow you to be your nasty self anonymously and the fact that you are no longer interacting with your fellow man in person.

Is it any wonder (to touch upon one of your favorite subjects) that in the light of all those senseless mass killings in movie theaters, schools etc., governments are tempted to impose stricter controls? And, of course, Governments being governments they do tend to get carried away with their righteous causes. Good thing we get to vote every 4 (in your case), 5 years.


Yea, I agree, people are angry, rude and often just don't give a shit about their fellow man/woman.
Very hard at times to grow up in a polite country where we respected our elders, and held doors open and said please and thank you. Thats why I like my adult material especially the intimate stuff and stripping why rare, gives a soft sexy look that is slowly being taken over by POV shots of labias for 20 minutes no face not body just pussy play . Oh well guess I have said enough on this.

01-19-14  10:32am - 186 days #30
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Yea, I agree, people are angry, rude and often just don't give a shit about their fellow man/woman.
Very hard at times to grow up in a polite country where we respected our elders, and held doors open and said please and thank you. Thats why I like my adult material especially the intimate stuff and stripping why rare, gives a soft sexy look that is slowly being taken over by POV shots of labias for 20 minutes no face not body just pussy play . Oh well guess I have said enough on this.


Can't argue with that statement, CT!

01-21-14  03:21pm - 184 days #31
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The overturning of Net Neutrality in the US is likely to be a bad development for online porn. It is also such a complex issue, that it is difficult to predict any of it's effects with certainty. It seems to me that it's effects can be grouped into two main categories: effects on free speech and effects on business models.

First, the effect on free speech. American porn online has been able to thrive online because of the protection afforded by the First Amendment. That is a weaker protection than most think though. We almost lost it all in 2012, and would have if Romney were elected. Remember the 2012 Republican Party Platform? It stated that "current laws on all forms of pornography and obscenity need to be vigorously enforced." They would have made examples by prosecuting some big providers, most of the rest would have taken the hint and closed shop or left the US, then prosecuted whoever was left. Now, with the loss of Net Neutrality, there are many ways to make an end run around the First Amendment. Now that the ISP's are legally recognized as having their own "First Amendment" rights as editors of the internet, they can block whatever they want. It seems ridiculous that they could be considered editors - just as ridiculous as giving a paper company editorial discretion over Hustler Magazine - but that was the outcome of the case. They may not choose to use this power right away, they may eventually use it to get more people in from of the TV paying $10 an hour for their heavily edited softcore video on demand. Equally important, they may no longer be able to justify continuing to provide online porn under the Net Neutrality principle. They are now open to civil lawsuits from social conservatives, feminists against porn, and the religious right just for providing content that may be objectionable to some. How much would the ISP's put up to defend online porn, when they would rather having you watch their video on demand anyway?

Second, there is the effect on the business models of various porn sites. What these business models all have in common is that they benefit from cheap bandwidth. I'll go through the different types of business model, and consider the effect on each one below.

1. Tube sites. Abundant, cheap bandwidth is the lifeblood of tube sites. Their business model is like this. They put up tons of free videos, many averaging 100 Mb, and try to get as much traffic as possible. They make all of their revenue off of ad's mostly for adult dating sites, cam sites, and adult toy sites. Even if they only get one click per 1,000 views, they still make money because bandwidth is cheap. So what will happen when bandwidth becomes artificially scarce and expensive? This is the easiest outcome of losing Net Neutrality to predict - the era of tube sites will be over. So maybe paysites should celebrate? Not so fast, we'll get to that eventually.

2. Free file hosting sites. These are the sites, like Kim Dotcom's Megaupload.com, that provide the bandwidth and hosting for pirate forums. Likes tubes, their business models will be totally shot when the cost of bandwidth goes up, and they will disappear too.

3. BitTorrent. While Verizon states that they do not intend to block any legal content, you can rest assured that they will be going after BitTorrent soon. During Verizon vs FCC, their lawyers mentioned BitTorrent specifically as the type of illegal traffic that they would like to block.

4. Paysites. Every single paysite will initially suffer without Net Neutrality. What the impact will ultimately be on specific types of paysites is extremely hard to predict. Maybe the large networks will fare best, and just pare down their offerings a bit to trim their costs. On the other hand, maybe some of the largest network owners will decide to get out at the top, and just close up shop. You know those old, small sites that haven't updated since the dial-up days? Maybe they will be the first to go when they see the higher bill. Then again, those old sites were built in days when bandwidth was scarce, and they get very little traffic as it is now, so maybe they are adapted for tougher times more than the big bandwidth hogs? Maybe paysites will see some benefit from the tube sites going away, but I think people will take up to a year to change their habits, and the big bills will start coming right away. Whichever sites remain at the end, I think we will see a shake up of the industry, and many site closings.

5. Brick and mortar porn shops. These guys are the only ones that I know besides the ISP's that are gleeful about the loss of Net Neutrality. It's money in the bank for them when online porn takes a hit.

So these are all hypothetical scenarios, and hopefully it is not as bad as I have envisioned here. In reality, the ISP's won't be making any changes right away. With Net Neutrality hitting the front page of the Wall Street Journal and other major news outlets, hopefully the public debate will start to pick up the way it did for PIPA and SOPA. I know that I personally could never see myself voting for a candidate that opposes Net Neutrality, and I think many people feel the same way, so I hope this becomes an issue of debate in the next round of elections. Finally, the last shred of hope is that Comcast is bound by the ruling of a previous case in court to respect the Net Neutrality principle up through 2017.

I hope this sparked some outrage. The impact of losing Net Neutrality is actually damaging far beyond the world of porn, but this is all I have time to discuss for now. Edited on Jan 21, 2014, 03:25pm

01-21-14  03:59pm - 184 days #32
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As you say it is a complex issue.

The Internet is world wide phenomenon & each country can only impose laws in & on its own jurisdiction.
Whilst it may impact what their compatriots can produce or perhaps even legally view or download, it cannot & never should have a direct global impact unless there is international democratic agreement.
That is never likely to happen.

It is easy to lose sight of that.

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01-21-14  04:43pm - 184 days #33
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You are right, it won't have a direct international impact.

I trust very few statistics that I see online regarding porn consumption, but there seems to be a consensus that the US is the world's largest consumer of online porn. I hope that if it gets really bad in the US, sites can move overseas and survive. At the same time, those with razor thin margins may be faced with some tough choices if or when their largest geographic market - the US - disappears.

01-22-14  06:47pm - 183 days #34
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Then again, I what I presented was a worst-case scenario, so maybe it won't be that bad. What's a best-case scenario? Maybe the tube sites will go, but the best paysites will remain? Regardless of what happens, there is a lot of uncertainty, and I am curious to hear what everyone thinks.

01-22-14  07:45pm - 183 days #35
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I don't see it as bad as LPee does mostly because there is another option out there: what is the customer willing to pay. Most ISP's will probably partner up with the likes of Google, Facebook, etc. and everyone will have universal access. However, a lot of people still need to get around the web and dig into stuff beyond the Greatest Hits. I think ISP's will offer tiered pricing where they can cheap access in exchange for ads and whatever access deals the ISP's negotiate and then they'll have the "rip off" tier where you have to pay more to get unfettered access like you have today.

Yes, tube sites will suffer (frankly, will we really mind if a million or two of those disappear) and some small websites will go away too (mostly the ones offering the same stuff as everyone else but also some unique amateur sites will get hit too).

In the long term, things will even out as the web expands and technology grows but it's going to be what happens in the next decade that probably have the most impact.

02-23-14  03:15pm - 151 days #36
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Last time I crank up this post. First, I just wanted to personally thank Comcrap for jacking up my bill by another $2 a month for nothing new other than the privilege of being forced to use them.

Second, apparently pay for play has already started. Comcrap and Netflix just cut a deal where Netflix gets funneled directly into the Comcrap system (no third party hosting / connections) so that Netflix can deliver faster connection speeds. This deal probably has been in the works a while and really doesn't have much to do with the recent legal rulings, I think it's just that in order for Netflix to keep growing they had to reduce buffering times and increase quality which is what this deal does for Netflix. However, I assume that Netflix is paying Comcrap for this privilege which leads me back to my first point ... thanks Comcrap for raising my rates for nothing.

Third, net neutrality is not altogether dead. Apparently the FCC (the government body responsible for putting us in this mess) has decided to go back and rewrite the rules to classify the internet as a communications business (duh) which will ultimately result in net neutrality probably becoming the law of the land again ... in a few years ... assuming the lobbyists don't entirely hijack the process ... so I guess that means we can't assume anything.

Lastly, it seems to me the biggest problem we in the U.S. have is the concept of who owns your cable lines. In Europe, a company can lay the cable line to your house but they don't have a monopoly over the line, the home owner can subscribe to different services. In the US, the cable company owns the line and can deny other providers use of that line. In effect, this limits competition and creates situations like mine where if I want high speed I only have one option. I'm changing my tune a bit and I now think this legal lack of competition is the number one driving force behind the high costs here in the states and the biggest threat overall to the future of open internet.

02-24-14  10:29am - 150 days #37
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It is interesting to note that cell phone companies operate a little differently - more like Europe, whereas the cell phone company leases space on other companies towers to provide service. Cell towers are infrastructure just like cable lines are. Wonder why they treat it that way? Oh, crap I forgot to follow the money. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

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02-25-14  04:26pm - 149 days #38
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


Last time I crank up this post. First, I just wanted to personally thank Comcrap for jacking up my bill by another $2 a month for nothing new other than the privilege of being forced to use them.


No surprise there, though a lot of customers won't notice it, and even if they do won't think much of it--the whole reason it's "only" a $2 increase. AT&T raised their Internet-only service prices $2 last year...though I could have avoided that particular increase if I got their bundled service plan--landline, TV, & Internet--which is considerably more per month, especially when I only want and use Internet. In other words, "Fuck you, pay me."

Hell, if you're one of AT&T's wireless customers last year they subtlety raised bills by about $0.61 last year, "Because they can." It generated an estimated $500-600 million in revenue--great money if you just pull the justification for the increase out of your ass.

I understand rates eventually need to go up, but arbitrary fuck-you-pay-me increases, with no discernible technological or service benefit is what pisses customers off. I refuse the 3-in-1 packages of TV-Internet-landline because I have no use for them, and get fucked out of higher Internet speeds because I don't want to pay for the non-web stuff. I watch TV online and already pay for a cell phone (a totally different company from my ISP, because I like to share the wealth ), and am not home enough, or at least during the hours I might find a landline practical.

These greed-powered corporate assholes continue to dig their own shallow technological graves and want us to more than pay for the cost of filling in the holes. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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