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09-09-13  05:50pm - 371 days #51
joekramer08 (12)
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hmmm...kind of sucks, but i'm not going to freak out too much. i think some people will willingly transfer some of their reviews manually (copy and paste or whatever). i'm willing to do that. if enough people do it, then there should be a decent base of reviews to refer to early on.

09-09-13  09:47pm - 371 days #52
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I doubt that would be allowed if reviews will be tied to earning points like they have been with this site. Plus, past a certain point old reviews start to become irrelevant. Maybe they could offer a link on each site's review page to the old review page here at PU, at least for as long as PU is around. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-10-13  07:25am - 370 days #53
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What exactly does "coming soon" actually mean? If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat!

09-10-13  08:16am - 370 days #54
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


What exactly does "coming soon" actually mean?


It means sit quietly and wait until we need you.
Sorry seems how I feel about this today.
I joined another porn site yesterday and will again not be doing a review here. Kinda mini protest if it were.

Going to leave it at that but lets just say that loyalty button is being pushed.

09-11-13  04:02am - 369 days #55
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I've finally found time to properly read the responses that have come in to this thread. All I can say is that it's been a great six or so years. PU was a dream come true, with really honest reviews and a community of users that was very protective of the integrity of the site. Shills got called out, and along with Khan's immeasurable help, they just didn't last long.

I learned a lot about the sites that were reviewed, and made a bunch of buddies who were funny, smart, and generally very respectful. Denner has been my best bro', but a lot of others I grew fond of for their quirky ways, even if I didn't agree with them on some things -- something that I most often just kept to myself.

Things have a life, which means that, as with all life, there will be an eventual end. I accept that and can only be thankful for all of the good things that came out of it.

It's still a bit premature, but I just want to say "Thanks" to our leaders, Khan and Rick, and to everyone else. A: Do you use a computer every day?
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09-11-13  09:53am - 369 days #56
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I think that in trying to make a fresh start, you helped to reduce participation in the PU site.

A free start may work out, but the old PU (current PU) site was a friendly place to visit, and to see what other people had to say.

Maybe you are hoping that the fresh design will attract more new members than any older members that will drop out?

It seems that you are throwing out the baby with the bath water. Maybe that is necessary, from a technical standpoint, because you say it's just too complicated bringing over all the reviews and threads from PU to the new site.

But my feeling is that you are throwing away a lot of the history, meaning, and relationships that PU had created.

Yes, PU was a business, but it was also a place for PU fans to gather and socialize and smooze.

Will the new site work out? I wish you well, but it will take a while to succeed in making it as good as PU used to be.

09-11-13  11:07am - 369 days #57
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I have been around businesses and consulting a long time, a very long time. I am not fortune teller,but know enough to see that the site will not recover.

There are many other sites like this one, and if you take a look at some of the real big review sites they are losing left and right. What was missed big time was that PU members were wiling to give one thing the other sites members didnt, and that was loyalty. But when the rug was pulled out you can see many questioning it here.

Porn is not new, reviews sites are over a decade old. Trying to beat others at a game they have been at for 10 years is futile at best and a bankruptcy at worse.

It reminded me of a small coffee shop we had here located in the downtown and the regulars including me came for 10 years they added other amenities like bagels and even brunch and we all supported the subtle changes. Then ten years after opening the owners said they were moving across town where they could grow. Well 10 years we support the place then they up and leave for greener pastures, let me say they would not have that greener pasture if we had patronized his competitor. Now the locals down town are forced to go to a Starbucks ( YUKKKI) and the new place is all modern and yuppified, and gets the worse reviews now, because anyone could sell coffee, they sold a service and loyalty.

To me I am looking in a mirror type image here of what I saw locally. But newer is often not better. They teach that in business school ( where I went) and they stress don;t screw your customer base ever. But what do college professors and business lawyers and owners know LOL. Edited on Sep 11, 2013, 11:10am

09-11-13  11:13am - 369 days #58
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For what its worth, here is my two cents. This might have worked out better if the delay between the old and new were not so long. It has been several months with very little to entice anyone to participate. The old is basically dead and the new will arrive with very few of us left.
PU has been very interesting as well as fun. I know I learned a lot and have enjoyed sharing with others.

09-11-13  02:29pm - 369 days #59
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Not to step on anyone's toes, and I do realize that the points for all the reviews will be set to zero when the new site starts up, and I can understand the concern that some here have expressed regarding why they should post reviews and lose the points when the new site goes live, but Rick has said that "...pornusers and it's information can remain for years down the road if it's still of use." He hasn't committed to keeping it live and I hope he does commit to that because that is a lot of data and insight to lose. It certainly appears that the ability to keep all our old reviews (and presumably all the old TBOP reviews) available is there so I'm sure Rick is a reasonable man and will keep them available until a good-sized library of reviews becomes available on the new site.

09-12-13  04:27pm - 368 days #60
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Not to step on anyone's toes, and I do realize that the points for all the reviews will be set to zero when the new site starts up, and I can understand the concern that some here have expressed regarding why they should post reviews and lose the points when the new site goes live, but Rick has said that "...pornusers and it's information can remain for years down the road if it's still of use."


RA, you are a respected member and by me as well I really respect what you say allot in this forum. I will say had Rick or the power that be been as clear as you suggest this would have gone over much better. I hate how this transfer has affected the membership and even its loyalty. We used to talk about the latest boob job, how many DP's we saw in a week or how much fun porn was, if one thing I hate is how this delay in work being done has changed how many feel about the site and how we interact, RA, man I would love to hear you post about what you like in an ass on porn star then what PU is doing.
I joined Twistys this last week just to see some good porn stuff because it is ZZZZZZZzzzz here.

09-12-13  11:17pm - 368 days #61
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


But newer is often not better. They teach that in business school ( where I went) and they stress don;t screw your customer base ever.


Exactly how hard do they stress it though? Seriously, outside of tiny companies with employees in the single digits, what real world company doesn't eventually become arrogant, smug, or just plain greedy and gives their customers (or potential customers) the ol' middle finger of we-know-best policy. And don't get me started on how employees/subjects are treated, particularly here in the U.S.

In all defense of PU, I don't see the change as that traumatic. No, I have not reviewed a site here in ages, even after subscribing to sites and feeling like I wasn't screwed over or it was really worth my time and money. But we haven't exactly paid anything directly to PU, and we could get discounts to sites and for a long while were even able to win money simply for contributing here.

A pretty good deal if you ask me, and the decorum of the forum has been the icing on the cake and a rare place on the Internet. I.E., it's not a flood of death threats, spam, homophobia, and racism that nearly ever other forum or board has sunk to over the years. Just spend a few minutes reading comments on Yahoo! or YouTube to get a sense of how vile people are under the guise of a made-up username.

I don't feel like we're giving this all up because PU is moving and renaming to a newer site. It doesn't exactly sound like the reviews will be instantly lost or stricken from the record but they will eventually become less and less relevant over time. I also don't see why we can't continue on into a new forum as their will be plenty to discuss/bitch about (my own list of things that piss me off that I can give my about is always growing ).

Frankly all the talk of people packing up and leaving sounds premature as we haven't even tried out the new site. Only time will tell (and, at least for me, my own inexhaustible mountain of rage ). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-13-13  11:46am - 367 days #63
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I'm committed to making good with our loyal users. Most will understand our decisions to start a fresh slate after the preview site launches. We will support PornUsers.com and link to it's reviews (from the new site) for as long as necessary/desired. I'm going to keep it simple and leave it at that for right now. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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09-13-13  01:14pm - 367 days #64
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I think for all the talk in this thread of loyalty and community, it's a shame to see so many people here dismissive of change and making their goodbye speeches.

Yeah, it's annoying stuff can't just be copied into the new template, but it's like a leaking dam - there's only so many times you can plug the holes before it just makes more sense to knock it down and start again.

09-13-13  01:46pm - 367 days #65
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Originally Posted by Marcus:


I think for all the talk in this thread of loyalty and community, it's a shame to see so many people here dismissive of change and making their goodbye speeches.

Yeah, it's annoying stuff can't just be copied into the new template, but it's like a leaking dam - there's only so many times you can plug the holes before it just makes more sense to knock it down and start again.


I guess when you make a site important like I did and other where each day had interactions on this site it was part of the daily grind. I get up check emails and calls and check the PU site and TBP site for what was new almost every day since I joined. You can't expect everyone to understand what that means, but it was like a club of sorts. Of course in life this happens all the time, the Movie house is long closed and a mall where I once watched Movies in the 1960's and 70's. Neither are my favorite Restaurants or Drive in movies all gone and yes such is life. In life you are told over and over again deal with it. I chose not to in this case because I am a loyal member and am still here standing by PU / TBP even though I don't like it.
My own thoughts are way too many people in today's life do not stand up for themselves. Look at it from this perspective, if I did not give crap about the sites guess I wouldn't matter what was done. When the site is moved I won't mention this again, but it is crucial that members be honest in how they feel this helps owners in the future, bad feedback can hurt sometimes, but I would rather speak what is irritating about the move then just go with it and not honest just to liked by everyone.

09-13-13  05:42pm - 367 days #66
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Cybertoad... I get it. I'm glad you and many others have spoken out. You obviously do care. Your also half way out the door, which shows your ready to walk. I'm trying to understand exactly why.

TBP/PU still are my livelihood. I built it from the ground up and nobody will be mourning more than me if and when both sites are closed forever. But fact is, it also supports myself (100%) and 11 other partners/employees financially. Changes must happen no matter what. Otherwise everything eventually shuts down and everyone on this end looks for new jobs. BTW, all our current staff have been her since the beginning, for over 10 years and a few for as many as 16 years now. Khan and I go all the way back to 1997.

We will be moving forward for the everyone's benefit. There's no change in leadership or mentality. Fact is, we want to provide a more complete innovative site from top to bottom. We're not taking a few steps forward, we're blasting off to uncharted territory.

It's going to take time and it'll require some faith. If we've done anyone wrong in the past, please let us know. I'm here to run a business in the right way possible. We've never once taken shortcuts or bullshitted our way through anything. In an industry full of dirty money, we've never once even considered taking the easy routes.

So where we going with all this? We're working on a new type of tube/tgp that showcases the content and gives credit to it's rightful owner. We're spending our own money to signup to every major pay site and giving you a complete report on it's billing practices and customer service. Upgrading our review processes and giving users far more power and resources to report their experiences in more unique ways. More or less, we're attempting to re-organize our industry so users can learn, engage, and spend with more confidence.

These are all words right now. I didn't really expect this type of response when I uploaded the preview mockups. Since this thread began, there's so much more to now show everyone but based on the reactions, I've held off. If I've learned anything, it's that there's nothing to really get too excited about until you all can experience it completely. My original intention was to simply share a piece of my excitement and I'm sorry to those who took it wrong.

Most of the regs are here to share and help. That's the whole point right? We gave back tens of thousands in raffle rewards to show our appreciation. I don't know of another site like ours who ever paid a dime. It was never planned that way either. The raffle was supposed to jump start the site, and we left it running for many years that followed.

Point is... stay to be part of something awesome that still exists. Contribute to share your experiences with others like yourself. I can guarantee pornusers has at least 12 months of life left in it. When and if it ever goes away, it's because a bigger and better pornusers has blossomed. When that happens, I promise I'll give everyone a major heads up ahead of time. BIg things, exciting things are ahead. I hope everyone here will be a big part of it. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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09-13-13  06:54pm - 367 days #67
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Originally Posted by Rick:


So where we going with all this? We're working on a new type of tube/tgp that showcases the content and gives credit to it's rightful owner. We're spending our own money to signup to every major pay site and giving you a complete report on it's billing practices and customer service. Upgrading our review processes and giving users far more power and resources to report their experiences in more unique ways. More or less, we're attempting to re-organize our industry so users can learn, engage, and spend with more confidence.


Everyone has their own personal bee in the bonnet. Mine has been pre checked cross selling, regional discrimination, making it impossible to cancel membership, and now even worse, the automatic upsell sign up now practiced by Naughty America, Teen Mega World and others.

I am hoping the new site will much more actively distinguish between these tricksters and genuine customer oriented sites. I am becoming more and more wary about signing up to any site, and am now feeling very negative about the online porn industry. This spills over into negative thoughts about TBP/PU because I don't consider enough has been done to differentiate between the two types of attitude, and business practice.

I wont repeat my other earlier observations, which may or may not be correct, but clearly this is a gamble from Rick and co. I am looking forward to seeing what the new site will be like, but I think the changeover should have been quicker, and now momentum and customer base could have been lost.

I was preparing a Teen Mega World review for the new place based on the mockup, but have shelved it simply because of their trickery in using automatic sign ups for anyone who tries to look at the "specials" sites. These practices should be illegal, but all I can do is boycott any site I find uses this sort of trickery. I cancelled straight away and shelved my review. I am not feeling particularly positive about the online porn industry.

The new place should have integrity. In the past sites which PU/TBP refused to link to because of many negative comments were occasionally magically linked to again without any comment about the reason why. Porn is getting that scummy rip off image again. Money can be made by ripping people off, but once you go down that route the customer base here is going to be very different.

It's obviously been hard for the team here at PU/TBP. As someone who can see arguments for both sides, I do think Rick cares about what people here think, but as he's pointed out this is a business. His livelihood along with others is invested in this place, so although he's going to listen he may also have to make decisions which will alienate older members. If it's a choice between alienating older members and making a living he's going to choose to make a living.

We need to see the new sites before we judge, but I think a grave mistake has been made by not having a plan in place for a quick changeover. If they go under, I merely lose a place of interest where I pop in occasionally to amuse myself, whereas some people lose their job, their livelihood, their lifestyle etc. Lots of pressure.

09-13-13  07:48pm - 367 days #68
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PU/TBP is far from dead... in my opinion PornUsers has been mildly successful since it's birth. TBP gets 10x more daily traffic and PornUsers. I still view PU as a complimentary yet vital component to TBP's overall appeal however. Together they've done really well and continue to thrive among a major decline surrounding our industry.

I had higher hopes for PU, and the new network installs a much smarter community driven formula compared to our existing setup. In fact, it's fair to say I'm investing the farm in a tremendously improved community based system.

We will expose the trickery's and harmful practices like nobody has ever done to this point. Each site will be labeled with a grade A-F based on such practices, with explanations as to why. Whether it's spam, auto-signups, hidden cross-sells, or straight up fraud... we'll be using our own credit cards and reporting all charges/spam 30 days from signup and 90 days. An independent forum for EVERY site will allow users (and the site reps) to communicate without censorship. I promise we'll hold all sites more accountable than ever. Whoa... kinda sounds like I'm running for High School president. Longer recess and less homework for everyone!!!

The more I talk about it all, the more I should probably keep my mouth shut. I'm not trying to cause more speculation. There's a lot of work to be done before any of this is a reality. I'm simply answering concerns that have been brought up.

Appreciate those who have stuck by us this long. We're not going anywhere and the current sites could even thrive for another few years on it's own. No doubt our sites have become somewhat stale. Minor updates and renovations could go a long way. I'll take responsibility for that. All I can do though is look forward. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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09-13-13  09:36pm - 367 days #69
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:

I was preparing a Teen Mega World review ...but... I cancelled straight away and shelved my review.

You should at least put up a comment about that bullshit to warn other people who might be considering joining. Arguing with some people is like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, shits all over the board, then flies back to its flock to claim victory.

09-13-13  10:45pm - 367 days #70
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I know I haven't been around in a while (was out of town for a month and checking PU from a coffee shop just seemed inappropriate), then had a crap load of work when I got back.

Regardless, I agree with Marcus, and I think the MyPorn mockups look pretty good. Not that I dislike the current PU site design, but I don't think change is bad. It might entice more people to be involved in the community, which is always nice. I don't really mind losing any points or status or whatever I have here, that has never really mattered much to me either way. I enjoy the community and don't see why the same community can't exist on a new site.

I do agree with TheSquirrel and hope that the new site will better highlight poor/unethical business practices. I was unaware of this newfangled trick-upselling sites are doing - do they even notify you that you are paying for something? Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars.
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09-14-13  01:06am - 367 days #71
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Originally Posted by pat362:


^I always had high hope that I would catch up to you one of these days but your score was so high that my expectations were pretty low. I dread having to start all over again but not because of the time it will take me to get as high as I currently am but more because there is simply not enough porn being made for me to even be able to come half way to where I am now.

I think this forum is a rare and precious gem but sadly it is also one of the things that is not doing well. We see less and less of our old friends and can't attract new ones.


I can remember when I was chasing Snowdude's point total. It seemed like I would never get near him. Also remember being upset back a few years ago when there was talk of resetting everyone's scores just for the sake of bringing in new members. I'm hoping the changes will set off a positive cycle. Tube site with virus-free videos, TGP site with nice galleries, equal a new interest in sites I haven't joined before.

Agree completely about the forum and old friends. I've gotten to know a few members away from the forum, but haven't heard from them in probably a year like Denner, Nadiacendia, it has been a unique experience since we're usually just talking porn on here then to talk away from the forum and get to know others in a nearly opposite way in emails. I always wondered if us talking about porn makes it easier to talk to each other about non-porn things. “You cannot blame porn. When I was young, I used to masturbate to Gilligan's Island.” - Ron Jeremy

09-14-13  01:35am - 367 days #72
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This is mainly just a random thought post mostly directed at Rick. I know we are all on the internet and can become whatever we claim to be, but as someone who worked extensively in psychology, then just stared at the ground and gave up, mostly thanks to the job being thankless, I really think you're taking things a bit hard. Which is my point about the thankless career in psychology.

I talked to Shap of Twistys back before he sold Twistys and he would just rant away about how he couldn't make everyone happy. I could see his passion in putting out content that he thought was what would make the most people happy. Then he would be letdown again.

Just my opinion on the members since I've gotten to know most of these guys pretty good over the years: I think every one of us is pulling for you all to pull these new sites off. You know how it goes. People get frustrated they have to get it off their chests. Keep that in your mind more than our negative frustrations. We're still here, even in giving near goodbye posts.

Anyway, our community here has gotten by, by being outspoken, by arguing/debating webmasters and by standing up for integrity and some sort of values while hoarding porn on the side. We're not exactly a typical societal group

I think a lot of the criticisms and complaints will turn into respect and compliments when the new sites go live. I don't know if it has been mentioned specifically, but the thought of us losing a site where we could finally just speak our mind about anything, going away, can be a bit jarring since we know there aren't many other sites we can be ourselves and speak our mind on.

I know you don't need a pep talk or anything like that, but just thought I would throw a different perspective out there to maybe help you all out mentally. We wouldn't be seeing this much frustration and negativity if you all hadn't at least got somethings right, things we appreciated. “You cannot blame porn. When I was young, I used to masturbate to Gilligan's Island.” - Ron Jeremy

09-14-13  02:28am - 367 days #73
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Your absolutely right e4me! What's more interesting about your post is that Shap (and his beautiful wife) happen to be one of my long time friends in this biz. He and I always had similar outlooks about the industry and business in general. Very good guy.

The initial panic was a little unexpected (Khan did prep me, he's usually dead on), and it was important to me that it wasn't blown out of proportion. I'll always have an instinctual goal to please my audience... it just comes with the territory. The feedback is important and most of it is very helpful.

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09-14-13  04:35am - 366 days #74
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Originally Posted by exotics4me:


... I don't know if it has been mentioned specifically, but the thought of us losing a site where we could finally just speak our mind about anything, going away, can be a bit jarring since we know there aren't many other sites we can be ourselves and speak our mind on.



Now that nails it for me.

Well said.

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09-14-13  08:00am - 366 days #75
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Originally Posted by Capn:


Now that nails it for me.

Well said.

Cap'n.


Yea me too, I ramble on and you said perfect Exotics.

09-14-13  06:02pm - 366 days #76
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Originally Posted by Rick:


The more I talk about it all, the more I should probably keep my mouth shut. I'm not trying to cause more speculation. There's a lot of work to be done before any of this is a reality. I'm simply answering concerns that have been brought up.


No you're wrong, you definitely shouldn't keep your mouth shut because what you have said gives me a lot of hope and makes me look forward to the new sites. I like the ideas you are talking about, and from the sound of it, so do others here.

I have always taken a lot of time and care over my reviews, and am very proud of them, but things change so quickly in internet porn (everything changes apart from England losing at football), that they are soon past their sell by date, then become redundant. Sites I reviewed more than a year ago have mostly changed so much that no one would read the review and have an idea of what the site is about nowadays, which is the whole point of doing the review in the first place. They served their purpose. I hope they informed punters like myself, and at the same time earned PU/TBP a few bucks. I don't see any need to bring them over to the new site.

Case in point - Teen Mega World which has changed a lot since I did a review over a year ago. They originally didn't have pre checked cross selling, then they brought it in, then they removed it for trickery far worse. Raging Buddhist - the reason I didn't make a Comment was because I had already added to the Monahan Caveat Emptor Comment. I didn't make a separate one because I didn't want to promote them by mentioning their name even if my views were negative. Maybe I should.

As for the new sites, I am looking forward to them. Like an old dog with a bone (or me with an old cliche) I just keep on grinding away at the same old thing - there is a lot of money to be made in porn, so why shouldn't it be made by sites with honest decent management and owners who have some kind of respect for their customers and some kind of customer service, rather than a bunch of rip off scumbags? We should be supporting the good guys. Edited on Sep 14, 2013, 06:15pm

09-14-13  06:17pm - 366 days #77
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Originally Posted by Marcus:


I think for all the talk in this thread of loyalty and community, it's a shame to see so many people here dismissive of change and making their goodbye speeches.



We're just dealing with it. You don't have to come here to find hypocrites, either. The one nearest you might not be that far away. A: Do you use a computer every day?
B: Yes.
A: And how long have you been using a computer every day?
B: About 24 years.
A: You must be pretty bitter.
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09-15-13  12:00am - 366 days #78
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I was just thinkin' ......
Approaching PU's upcoming changes with an open mind, and purely Just for the sake of supposition, then bear with me wiliest I briefly hypothesize Porn Users all-consuming new undertaking that's being touted heavily favorable by PU honchos yet seemingly getting some slightly higher than mild backlash from a number of disenchanted members, most of whom are time-honored, venerable PU entrenched elite.

Now ......

Lets fast-forward and again hypothesize that everything Rick have told us comes true, and contrary to past unsettling worries about the foul aftermaths, we now reverse those negative emotions with collective happiness -- even perhaps overwhelming glee and foot-stompin' appreciation and applause -- all directed to our praiseworthy entrepreneurs upstairs who orchestrated what hopefully will catapult what's promised beyond our imagination.


After which .....
in honor of our nay-sayers, and those of shallow faith, an invitation will be granted for a free dinner featuring prime "CROW."

Bon appetite Edited on Sep 15, 2013, 12:59pm

09-15-13  08:43am - 365 days #79
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Originally Posted by graymane:


I was just thinkin' ......
After which .....
a banquet specifically presented to our previous nay-sayers, and in honor of those of shallow faith, with heavily laden receptacles and table-lined bowls of prime "CROW."

Bon appetite


I would love to admit and over reaction or misguided passion to the results GM, I really really hope that everything works out OK. Rick I love ya man. but I think your absence strikes a core too. After reading Greymanes thoughtful post I wondered too why so much resistance, I think that you were absent from allot of what we did and for me after careful thought I felt like you rode back in and wanted to change our world. And here is why, I put in my Head if Khan was the person changing it, the reception I am willing to bet would have been met with allot more acceptance. Why Khan is out loveable monitor to keep us from getting crazy, I think I share the same sentiments as other members when I say we always felt Khan was one of us so to speak. He protected us from spam and even people whom would post items that may trick us into spending money, he kept sites removed and updated as needed and seems to really be involved. I get it, that you now want that my friend, but perhaps this perspective will help in maybe why so many are , when this started, and then you made announcements and went away again and said very little and we sit going ?
I think in the simplest terms you are asking us to trust you, if I may the more involved you are now, and later will possible lead us to develop that trust greater and Rick, I am willing to bet if effort is made to be involved with your members more may lesson that pain.

I have been in your position before if that helps. I was a new guy worked a few months at a established place and was made supervisor over people their ten years. How I got my job done was validated what they felt and assured them I was not here to tip things upside down. I took 5 years to implement change and it went well, we broke company records and increased employee pay. But it took them trusting me and me willing to invest that time.

I do hope all goes well, have a Rick .
I would miss this group and our interactions.

09-15-13  12:18pm - 365 days #80
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


I would love to admit and over reaction or misguided passion to the results GM, I really really hope that everything works out OK.

I do hope all goes well, have a Rick .
I would miss this group and our interactions.


I sincerely hope those who would read my recent post take it for what it is, namely nothing more than perhaps my "misguided" attempt to inject some humor, in hopes that it might serve to disarm at least some of the tension that may still exist. I guess I threw Rick the biggest -- if not the only bone -- because he's clearly out-numbered and his back against the ropes, concerning the exchange taking place between he and thee.

Let me assure you CT, had Porn Users unapologetically crossed the line, caring little of the adverse consequences that would befall those of us who've unquestionably surrendered our trust, clearly leaving unforgivable wounds in their wake, in their quest for whatever measure that might be at stake .... then you can bet the farm I'd be on your front lines fighting side by side with you all the way.

I rest my case

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Regarding Rick's point(s), yeah it was inevitable that you'd catch some crap. It's a lot easier to complain than praise when you don't have any skin in the game and when you suddenly find out your little community is going to have some big changes (of yet undetermined proportions at least from our end) imposed on it. If you've ever lived / worked in a small town it wouldn't have been a stretch to imagine that even small changes to the status quo can generate more conversation/derision/joy/etc. than one would imagine. I'm not terribly nostalgic so for me it won't be the end of the world and the changes will probably be a good bookend for me since I've had less and less time to spend in this section of the internet world.

I do agree that changes needed to be made otherwise PU/TBP would eventually become another outpost relying on decreasing amounts of referral $$ like the tube sites run by some guy who sits in his underwear all day and lives in his mom's basement (I assume Rick at least wears footsie pajamas while on the job). I'm sure we'll all get adjusted once the change occurs and hopefully the situation will be better for all once it does.

The only thing I would have done differently is waited until the "mockups" were closer to implementation. I remember the whole change from TBP 1.0 to 2.0 took a lot longer (6 months or so) than expected and since this is even a bigger jump both literally and figuratively then I would have said it is best to take the inevitable pain in a short term dose before everyone finally gets readjusted in their new home. Never doubt Khan ... unless he's battling Kirk.

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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


Regarding Rick's point(s), yeah it was inevitable that you'd catch some crap. It's a lot easier to complain than praise when you don't have any skin in the game and when you suddenly find out your little community is going to have some big changes (of yet undetermined proportions at least from our end) imposed on it. If you've ever lived / worked in a small town it wouldn't have been a stretch to imagine that even small changes to the status quo can generate more conversation/derision/joy/etc. than one would imagine. I'm not terribly nostalgic so for me it won't be the end of the world and the changes will probably be a good bookend for me since I've had less and less time to spend in this section of the internet world.

I do agree that changes needed to be made otherwise PU/TBP would eventually become another outpost relying on decreasing amounts of referral $$ like the tube sites run by some guy who sits in his underwear all day and lives in his mom's basement (I assume Rick at least wears footsie pajamas while on the job). I'm sure we'll all get adjusted once the change occurs and hopefully the situation will be better for all once it does.

The only thing I would have done differently is waited until the "mockups" were closer to implementation. I remember the whole change from TBP 1.0 to 2.0 took a lot longer (6 months or so) than expected and since this is even a bigger jump both literally and figuratively then I would have said it is best to take the inevitable pain in a short term dose before everyone finally gets readjusted in their new home. Never doubt Khan ... unless he's battling Kirk.



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Witty, never lost for words are ya! I don't think I've ever peppered the word "nostalgic" in a sentence (or non-sentence). Your almost always dead on too, and everything you said is well... said perfectly even if it required a dictionary.com visit. lol

Cybertoad, I appreciate the willing to trust and understand my spotty presence within our own forum may have an overall affect on my social credibility. Forums kill my productivity, always have. Even at this point in the message, I've probably invested 20 minutes between catching up to the thread to phrasing and re-phrasing. Khan is your go to guy at pornusers, and was hired specifically to support this forum. When it comes to development or when I'm involving myself for whatever reason, I try to keep up and follow-up. Khan also lets me know when there's an important thread to check, and I will read a lot without getting involved.

I feel like there's a bit more understanding of both sides and I want to keep you all in the loop, so I'll continue to do that. Nearly every photoshop template is completed and will be ready to sent for coding. I can't put an exact date on anything yet, so I won't. I appreciate the patience, and I'll predict now that I'll be saying that a lot in the next upcoming months. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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09-15-13  07:22pm - 365 days #85
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Originally Posted by Rick:


I can't put an exact date on anything yet, so I won't. I appreciate the patience, and I'll predict now that I'll be saying that a lot in the next upcoming months.


Mmmmm. I hear what you're saying but "months" in developer time is sort of like dog years. What should only take 1 day/week/month to do often translates into 7. My money says we're not looking at a new site(s) until the first of the year. Unless you know everything is going to click with the new site very soon I'd make a point of saying it's going to be business as usual around here for a while so those PUers who are holding back in anticipation of a new site know to let it all hang out here. Any over / under takers on the New Year launch? I wager 3 of my badges on a 1/1/14 launch, after all we don't really need no stinking badges around here any more

09-15-13  09:01pm - 365 days #86
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


Mmmmm. I hear what you're saying but "months" in developer time is sort of like dog years. What should only take 1 day/week/month to do often translates into 7. My money says we're not looking at a new site(s) until the first of the year. Unless you know everything is going to click with the new site very soon I'd make a point of saying it's going to be business as usual around here for a while so those PUers who are holding back in anticipation of a new site know to let it all hang out here. Any over / under takers on the New Year launch? I wager 3 of my badges on a 1/1/14 launch, after all we don't really need no stinking badges around here any more


Hahhah your badges!

No I agree... Jan/Feb of 2014 is about right. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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09-16-13  08:11am - 364 days #87
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Originally Posted by Rick:


Hahhah your badges!

No I agree... Jan/Feb of 2014 is about right.


Dog Years Witty LOl.

Rick I too think you have done a good job getting the communication in line lately. Last few posts I have read I think maybe everyone is getting closer in the group and also this means including you in it as well. Members are fickle people they will lift you to the highest mountain or bury you under piles of manure. It also seem all is based on trust that members sway one way or another. If you do indeed keep everyone in the loop I think that will help ease the pain.

I am glad Rick you can see that my admiration for all the hard work you and Khan have done and by showing the resistance is a compliment to all your self and your staffs hard work over the years providing the site.
I do not write bust your balls or anything it just how we all feel.
If fact the members Elite as GreyMane affectionately calls them, did exactly what you ask of them, they were loyal and participated and helped revenue. You trusted members and they did what was asked. I think the tables kinda turned as it is now you and your staff who ask us to trust you .
Something we have not had the experience to do as it is now our hard work that stands on the cutting block. But I am glad it seems like the ties that seperated many of us, many bind us in the near future


PS GM, man you and witty gotta promise you'll be around won't be the same if I didn't see you guys around.

09-16-13  03:13pm - 364 days #88
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Originally Posted by Rick:


!

No I agree... Jan/Feb of 2014 is about right.


Ahh-Hum! Could you float a few ideas of what we ought to be doing in the meantime?

09-16-13  03:30pm - 364 days #89
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Originally Posted by graymane:


Ahh-Hum! Could you float a few ideas of what we ought to be doing in the meantime?


lololol

09-16-13  03:42pm - 364 days #90
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Oh I'm way ahead of you, Cybertoad! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-16-13  03:49pm - 364 days #91
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Move along now, nothing to see here.

09-16-13  04:36pm - 364 days #92
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:

I think that you were absent from allot of what we did and for me after careful thought I felt like you rode back in and wanted to change our world. And here is why, I put in my Head if Khan was the person changing it, the reception I am willing to bet would have been met with allot more acceptance.



Mummmmm! Do'ya suppose a gag-order's initiated because our great leader is being FIRED?
Like, maybe Khan's head is on the block cuz he's loved so much by all of us they fear a coup d'etat . Or maybe he just went up against the Brass in our defense!


PS....

In case I'm taken serious, an' this brings somebody from "home-office" (axe in hand) back-off please! Twas jus' a dig! Edited on Sep 16, 2013, 05:14pm Edited by Staff on Sep 16, 2013, 08:41pm (Khan: wuoteback fixed)

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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Oh I'm way ahead of you, Cybertoad!


LOL

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Originally Posted by graymane:


[I think that you were absent from allot of what we did and for me after careful thought I felt like you rode back in and wanted to change our world. And here is why, I put in my Head if Khan was the person changing it, the reception I am willing to bet would have been met with allot more acceptance.


Mummmmm! Do'ya suppose a gag-order's initiated because our great leader is being FIRED?
Like, maybe Khan's head is on the block cuz he's loved so much by all of us they fear a coup d'etat . Or maybe he just went up against the Brass in our defense!


[/QUOTE]

I wish I knew how politics worked, I guess anything is possible however, the issues are hard to identify as I feel like this is almost political in the manner in which I was progressed and executed. I am not a the helm, nor has anyone other then in the forum answered any question I have asked. So everything I would know is public and I think that is where it gets confusing. As in reality we know very little .

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I'm unsure how to respond to the theories ... lol

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You guys should know by now that I usually stay out of your threads. That was especially true for this one as I wanted to give you 'space' to sound off and express your concerns w/out it looking like I was trying to shut anyone down. But you should also know by now, I read every post so I've been following along.

To address your concerns ... humorous or otherwise ... to the best of my knowledge, I ain't going anywhere any time soon. On the contrary, I expect I'll be busier with all the new forums that will be created. And no, no-one has asked me to keep quiet about anything. I'm not directly involved with the development of the new stuff at this point but as it progresses, I expect I'll see more of what's going to be. You can be sure I'll let Rick know of any concerns I have or problems I anticipate. I've worked with Rick on the development of projects before (including PU itself) and that's always been the case.

You should also know that Rick's not really a forum person. He's always been more focused on the development end of things. Besides, he's got me keeping up with the forum. So please, don't read anything negative into the fact that Rick isn't in here chatting away.

Now, since I've been dragged into this thread, I gotta get something off my chest ...

The very fact that PU exists is testament to Rick being responsive to the needs and requests of end users. TBP was going along fine but users were asking for a way to add their own thoughts on the sites that they join. So Rick gave them PornUsers.

Likewise with this forum. PU had launched and was going along good but users wanted a way to converse with their fellows. So Rick had a forum built from the ground up.

I could go on with different ways Rick has demonstrated his responsiveness to users over the years but I think I've made the point.

As Rick mentioned, he and I have worked together since 1997. We were basically at ground-zero for the adult web 'explosion'. Over the years I've seen and worked with hundreds, if not thousands of people in the industry and I gotta say, there is no-one that is (and ever has been) a bigger advocate for the end user than Rick.

Based on that track record, I trust Rick implicitly. I know he'll come up with something terrific and will be, to the extent possible, responsible to the users ... both the veterans here and the new users we hope to bring in. So I'm willing to have a little faith in what's he's developing. Not blind faith mind you, but faith based on a solid record of him always keeping the end user in mind.

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09-16-13  09:24pm - 364 days #97
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Originally Posted by Khan:


You guys should know by now that I usually stay out of your threads. That was especially true for this one as I wanted to give you 'space' to sound off and express your concerns w/out it looking like I was trying to shut anyone down. But you should also know by now, I read every post so I've been following along.

To address your concerns ... humorous or otherwise ... to the best of my knowledge, I ain't going anywhere any time soon. On the contrary, I expect I'll be busier with all the new forums that will be created. And no, no-one has asked me to keep quiet about anything. I'm not directly involved with the development of the new stuff at this point but as it progresses, I expect I'll see more of what's going to be. You can be sure I'll let Rick know of any concerns I have or problems I anticipate. I've worked with Rick on the development of projects before (including PU itself) and that's always been the case.

You should also know that Rick's not really a forum person. He's always been more focused on the development end of things. Besides, he's got me keeping up with the forum. So please, don't read anything negative into the fact that Rick isn't in here chatting away.

Now, since I've been dragged into this thread, I gotta get something off my chest ...

The very fact that PU exists is testament to Rick being responsive to the needs and requests of end users. TBP was going along fine but users were asking for a way to add their own thoughts on the sites that they join. So Rick gave them PornUsers.

Likewise with this forum. PU had launched and was going along good but users wanted a way to converse with their fellows. So Rick had a forum built from the ground up.

I could go on with different ways Rick has demonstrated his responsiveness to users over the years but I think I've made the point.

As Rick mentioned, he and I have worked together since 1997. We were basically at ground-zero for the adult web 'explosion'. Over the years I've seen and worked with hundreds, if not thousands of people in the industry and I gotta say, there is no-one that is (and ever has been) a bigger advocate for the end user than Rick.

Based on that track record, I trust Rick implicitly. I know he'll come up with something terrific and will be, to the extent possible, responsible to the users ... both the veterans here and the new users we hope to bring in. So I'm willing to have a little faith in what's he's developing. Not blind faith mind you, but faith based on a solid record of him always keeping the end user in mind.

Ok, I'll get off my soap-box now.



Hearing from you Khan does help allot, thank you for sharing your input It meant allot to see your point view as well one I am sure many wondered about. 1997 huh wow thats along time, you've never steered us wrong Khan, we all love Rick but we don't all know him as well as we do yourself. But for me, if you trust the direction were are heading as members. Well thats good enough for me. Consider my opinion swayed. I was starting to tip but your posting helped me feel more comfortable with the plans. From me I thank you . I hope my fellow members will feel more relaxed about this like I am now.


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09-16-13  10:17pm - 364 days #99
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Thanks for the input, Khan! Seriously doubted you were going anywhere, but always good to see you occasionally drop by the threads beyond the usual "Keep up the spam posts and you're outta here!" "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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i hope we can change the background color. white text on a black background reminds me of my 1st geocities website

i also hope the discounted links continue

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Now that is a most encouraging & welcome post from Khan.

Thanks for the input!

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