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10-11-12  05:48am - 555 days #51
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The reviews on the 3 TB external hard drives from Western Digital, that I've seen on Amazon, often mention how poorly the USB connection is attached (soldered?). And that the connection can easily be dis-connected.

Seagate decreased the warranty period on their hard drives to 1 year within the last year. Western Digital has a 2-year warranty.

Along with the decrease in warranty period, I've seen consumers (people like us) who bought these drives complaining of early failures of many models.

Obviously not all people complain of these drives. Some think they are great. Others think they give a lot of problems.

I bought a new 3 TB Seagate external hard drive a couple of weeks ago. I bought it new on ebay. It's been giving me problems, and I'm trying to return it to the seller. I've sent a couple of emails, but have gotten no response yet.

For about the same price, I could have gotten it on Amazon, which has a great record for handling problems and returns. I'm really sorry I bought it ebay, because I didn't save any money. My mistake. If I have to go through the ebay program for returns (because I might have a problem with the seller), it could take a month or more before I get a credit for returning this defective hard drive.

10-11-12  10:15pm - 554 days #52
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


The reviews on the 3 TB external hard drives from Western Digital, that I've seen on Amazon, often mention how poorly the USB connection is attached (soldered?). And that the connection can easily be dis-connected.

I bought a new 3 TB Seagate external hard drive a couple of weeks ago. I bought it new on ebay. It's been giving me problems, and I'm trying to return it to the seller. I've sent a couple of emails, but have gotten no response yet.



lk2, what sorts of problems? If it just the USB connection, you can always just get a cheap enclosure and swap out the actual drive, I assume this likely isn't a big deal unless the drive is powered from the enclosure, but even then I'm sure you could figure something out.

As someone said before, people have been complaining about HDs (be they crappy or good) for years, if you look around on Amazon I'm sure you can find one of my bitch fests about a particularly terrible experience I had with a Maxtor drive some time ago. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars.
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10-12-12  12:14am - 554 days #53
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"as Toadsith said before 3TB drives may have a higher failure rate..."

That was my thought too.
But just jumped into it and bought my 6. external to - among others - to relieve/copy two rather old ones. Found a cheap WD 3TB..
And like turboshaft a.o. I've always tried to make two copies of the most important material, personal and stash.
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10-12-12  04:50am - 554 days #54
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Originally Posted by slutty:


If it just the USB connection, you can always just get a cheap enclosure and swap out the actual drive, I assume this likely isn't a big deal unless the drive is powered from the enclosure


You can do this with Windows 7 but not with Windows XP. The 3TB drive in the Seagate enclosure is a SATA drive and it contains more sectors than can be read by Windows XP. The Seagate enclosure contains a proprietary piece of hardware, a a SATA to USB Bridge, which amalgamates the data on contiguous sectors so as to present a smaller number of larger sectors to the OS and allow it to be read by XP.

3rd party enclosures do not have this proprietary SATA to USB Bridge and will render the drive useless to Windows XP. This cannot be worked around by repartitioning the drive.

Power is not a problem. The drive has a standard SATA power connection and can be powered from any enclosure that supports SATA and has a mains adapter.

The SATA to USB bridge trick is required for all drives over 2.2TB in external USB enclosures to be read by XP.

Anyone wishing to use 3TB external drives with Windows 7 native backup utilities should be aware that the SATA to USB Bridge confuses them.

10-16-12  10:21am - 549 days #55
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Thanks for this posting. This is very helpful to me.

10-17-12  06:12am - 549 days #56
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This is not a commercial..

Just got my new WD 3TB from the postman (of course bought the cheapest place, I could find on the net).

The unpacking was more troublesome than the connecting to my pc - plug in and everything just works...it's only a 2,0 USB and not 3,0 - but I can live with the time it takes to copy the files.
But, one thing: It's almost like buying packs of cornflakes, chips ect. at the supermarket - it's no filled up - like this and many other alike you do not get a clean 3TB....here it's:
2,72 TB......."cheating bastards" "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

10-17-12  09:37am - 548 days #57
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You know Denner when they say they are a virgin I have found they are often 99.72% one also LOL.

10-17-12  11:27am - 548 days #58
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


You know Denner when they say they are a virgin I have found they are often 99.72% one also LOL.


Just dig that reply, Cybertoad "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

10-17-12  03:16pm - 548 days #59
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Originally Posted by Denner:


This is not a commercial..

Just got my new WD 3TB from the postman (of course bought the cheapest place, I could find on the net).

The unpacking was more troublesome than the connecting to my pc - plug in and everything just works...it's only a 2,0 USB and not 3,0 - but I can live with the time it takes to copy the files.
But, one thing: It's almost like buying packs of cornflakes, chips ect. at the supermarket - it's no filled up - like this and many other alike you do not get a clean 3TB....here it's:
2,72 TB......."cheating bastards"


They are all like that, Denner. A tekkie will be able to tell you the reason why, but a 2 TB drive is never a full 2 TB and a 3 TB drive is never a full 3 TBs.

10-17-12  03:19pm - 548 days #60
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A common complaint explained here. Arguing with some people is like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, shits all over the board, then flies back to its flock to claim victory.

10-18-12  08:34am - 547 days #61
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


A common complaint explained here.


Thank you for this link, RB....very helpful.
I knew, that my 500Gb drive did not have 500Gb, just 465Gb and my two 1TB have 931Gb...and one 300Gb has 279Gb and finally a 2Tb has 1,81Tb.....
Still......
And imagine that we in the future get a 10Tb - it'll "only" have 8,7Tb...or around that.

But that's life...and no big deal "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

10-18-12  09:09am - 547 days #62
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Originally Posted by Denner:


Thank you for this link, RB....very helpful.
I knew, that my 500Gb drive did not have 500Gb, just 465Gb and my two 1TB have 931Gb...and one 300Gb has 279Gb and finally a 2Tb has 1,81Tb.....
Still......
And imagine that we in the future get a 10Tb - it'll "only" have 8,7Tb...or around that.

But that's life...and no big deal


It is the same with cars, it gets 35mpg but actual miles are like 30.
On the drives though one would think it would be 1.25 TB and then you get 1 tb drive not the other way around.

10-18-12  01:14pm - 547 days #63
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


It is the same with cars, it gets 35mpg but actual miles are like 30.
On the drives though one would think it would be 1.25 TB and then you get 1 tb drive not the other way around.


At least with cars, your behavior can change what mpg it achieves. On longish trips, it is quite rare for me to not exceed the rated mpg for whatever car I'm driving. The Prius that everybody makes a stink about because when they drive it, it only makes 35 mpg instead of its rated 40 mpg, can actually achieve above 100 mpg if you drive it with the intention of saving gas. The CleanMPG 2008 Championships had the champion in the Prius category come in at 136 mpg.

With hard drives, there is nothing we can really do to achieve the rated space and use it on a Windows or Apple machine. I really think that there is a legal case for mislabeling of hard drives if somebody wanted to pursue it. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" ¡ Updated Link with Live Video filmed in Copenhagen in 1967 !

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11-04-12  07:09pm - 530 days #64
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Saw this 3 TB for 119.00 not sure how good it is .

http://www.newegg.com/External-Hard-Drives/SubCategory/ID-414

11-04-12  11:01pm - 530 days #65
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


At least with cars, your behavior can change what mpg it achieves. On longish trips, it is quite rare for me to not exceed the rated mpg for whatever car I'm driving. The Prius that everybody makes a stink about because when they drive it, it only makes 35 mpg instead of its rated 40 mpg, can actually achieve above 100 mpg if you drive it with the intention of saving gas. The CleanMPG 2008 Championships had the champion in the Prius category come in at 136 mpg.


Didn't Top Gear address this a few years ago (since they have an hilariously endless list of complaints for the Prius, as well as its drivers)? They drove a Prius balls-to-the-wall around a track, followed by a BMW with a considerably bigger, non-hybrid engine (might have been diesel though) at the same speed, and the BMW achieved better fuel efficiency.

And not to sound like too much of an ass, but I rarely see Priuses (Prii? ) driven as if fuel efficiency is the goal. Granted, here in LA the city uses them for meter maids, where short, low speed trips are ideal for an engine that shuts off when it idles too long, but private citizens seem to treat it like a lozenge-shaped sports car.

Personally, I'd rather have a midsize fully diesel engine for the economy and the extreme long life. Sadly diesel engines outside of steroidal pickups seem to be practically unconstitutional here in the U.S.

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11-05-12  08:56am - 529 days #66
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Years ago diesel was much cheaper than regular gas.
Today, diesel costs more than gas. I wonder why the prices reversed.

Also, I've always thought that if you drive a diesel car, it's much harder to find places that sell diesel. Whereas gas stations are everywhere.

11-05-12  09:02am - 529 days #67
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Years ago diesel was much cheaper than regular gas.
Today, diesel costs more than gas.
Also, I've always thought that if you drive a diesel car, it's much harder to find places that sell diesel. Whereas gas stations are everywhere.


I remember my cousin had a 1976 ( i think 76) ISUZU Diesel Pickup.
Sucker blew black diesel out the back like a big rig and back end always had black on it. Had like 350K on it and ran like a champ. Looked like "Sh*t. but was reliable as all heck.
I remember him starting it it was just like a Big rig has to set the key wait until the glow plugs were ready then fire up and wait another 3-10 minutes before you could drive it if it had set awhile. We took it on several trips and gas was 125 a gallon and Diesel was 75 cents lol.

11-05-12  03:00pm - 529 days #68
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When I started driving, back in the 1960s, gas was $0.29/gallon.

They had gas wars back then, and occasionally the price of gas would drop to 19 cents a gallon.

The major gas stations would hand out freebies to their customers, just like the savings and loans would hand out toasters, even TV sets, to lure in large deposits.

11-05-12  03:51pm - 529 days #69
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


When I started driving, back in the 1960s, gas was $0.29/gallon.

They had gas wars back then, and occasionally the price of gas would drop to 19 cents a gallon.

The major gas stations would hand out freebies to their customers, just like the savings and loans would hand out toasters, even TV sets, to lure in large deposits.


In the early 60's my bicycle got 4 miles to the moon pie LOL

11-05-12  10:37pm - 529 days #70
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Didn't Top Gear address this a few years ago (since they have an hilariously endless list of complaints for the Prius, as well as its drivers)? They drove a Prius balls-to-the-wall around a track, followed by a BMW with a considerably bigger, non-hybrid engine (might have been diesel though) at the same speed, and the BMW achieved better fuel efficiency.


Haha, yeah they did, and it is true, if you thrash a Prius around like it is an M3, it is going to perform horribly and get terrible gas mileage. Plus you'll get outrageous amounts of understeer. That said, if you treat it gingerly and carefully, it will reward you more than any normal gasoline car will. Driving style really, really matters when you are looking for extremes.

Originally Posted by turboshaft:


And not to sound like too much of an ass, but I rarely see Priuses (Prii? ) driven as if fuel efficiency is the goal. Granted, here in LA the city uses them for meter maids, where short, low speed trips are ideal for an engine that shuts off when it idles too long, but private citizens seem to treat it like a lozenge-shaped sports car.


People drive them at insanely high speeds, apparently entirely oblivious as to how air resistance works. I've seen many a Prius pass me at 75+ mph on the highway; they might as well pour a gas can on the highway. (BTW: According to Wikipedia, the plural is officially Prii.) I think this comes down to people not actually doing the research when they buy a car and instead buying the car in an emotional and uninformed state - which is of course ideal for marketers. Most Prius owners seem to be buying one as a statement about their ideals and beliefs, not because they want a low fuel bill. So they run off and drive the cars like complete wankers, not realizing how much they are playing the fool.

Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Personally, I'd rather have a midsize fully diesel engine for the economy and the extreme long life. Sadly diesel engines outside of steroidal pickups seem to be practically unconstitutional here in the U.S.


For the longest time, the old, big Mercs were the only diesel sedans you could find in the States. I think the fuel sipping nature of diesels is slowly being communicated to the masses, so more are showing up, but they really are few and far between. Many car manufacturers don't bother building or importing them here. Plus, the high price of Diesel fuel seems to turn off some people, but when you are getting 90 mpg it really makes up for that price difference. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" ¡ Updated Link with Live Video filmed in Copenhagen in 1967 !

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11-06-12  02:29am - 529 days #71
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I found myself feeling pleased last week that petrol had dropped back down to £1.337 per litre (If my maths is correct, that's US$8.10 per US gallon).

The press here are (hopefully erroneously) predicting that petrol here will cross £2 per litre by the end of 2013 (about US$12 per gallon).

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11-06-12  09:18am - 528 days #72
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11-06-12  10:25am - 528 days #73
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


I found myself feeling pleased last week that petrol had dropped back down to �1.337 per litre (If my maths is correct, that's US$8.10 per US gallon).

The press here are (hopefully erroneously) predicting that petrol here will cross �2 per litre by the end of 2013 (about US$12 per gallon).

I'm not sure I've seen a Prius in real life. If they are around, they are few and far between.


Prii are a dime a dozen here in the states - they went from being rare to being everywhere in a just a few years.

I'm always shocked that so many people have cars in the UK with the high gas prices and the insanely high insurance fees, not to mention the congestion charges and so on. I know gas prices are subsidized in the US, but $8 a gallon is simply bonkers - let alone $12. Around me it is $3.85 a gallon, or £0.63 a liter, and I still consider that expensive. Then again, the US has a shite mass transit system, so unless that gets fixed, it is good that gas and cars are cheap. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" ¡ Updated Link with Live Video filmed in Copenhagen in 1967 !

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11-06-12  10:27am - 528 days #74
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I'll stick to my old Audi A2
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Aluminium body

90,000+ miles. Still gives a lively performance & 58mpg.

Cap'n.


Diesel engine and aluminum body? That sucker could see 500,000 miles!

My Toyota Camry has neither advantage and is nearing the 300,000 mile mark

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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


Prii are a dime a dozen here in the states - they went from being rare to being everywhere in a just a few years.

I'm always shocked that so many people have cars in the UK with the high gas prices and the insanely high insurance fees, not to mention the congestion charges and so on. I know gas prices are subsidized in the US, but $8 a gallon is simply bonkers - let alone $12. Around me it is $3.85 a gallon, or �0.63 a liter, and I still consider that expensive. Then again, the US has a shite mass transit system, so unless that gets fixed, it is good that gas and cars are cheap.


I found it odd in the last month here it went from 3.95 to 3.40 slowly.

11-06-12  10:45am - 528 days #76
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


I found it odd in the last month here it went from 3.95 to 3.40 slowly.


Going by memory (which is not reliable, anymore), gas prices normally drop as the presidential election comes up. I'm pretty sure about that. Especially since gas prices rose above $2/gallon, which happened a while back.

11-06-12  12:55pm - 528 days #77
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For the longest time, the old, big Mercs were the only diesel sedans you could find in the States. I think the fuel sipping nature of diesels is slowly being communicated to the masses, so more are showing up, but they really are few and far between. Many car manufacturers don't bother building or importing them here. Plus, the high price of Diesel fuel seems to turn off some people, but when you are getting 90 mpg it really makes up for that price difference.


On some models sold in the U.S. the price difference is considerable. The base price of a U.S.-sold 2-door Volkswagen Golf is around $1500 more than the base price of a 4-door gas version. They list the fuel efficiency as being 6-10 mpg better but I'd bet the price difference would turn people away, as well as the difference at the pump.

Still I think there are a lot of compact to midsize cars in the U.S. that would be great with diesel engines. Like all of the Golf's competitors, plus all the small SUVs, crossovers, and if they ever return to the states, small pickups as well.

One example of Americans losing out on this is the Ford Ranger pickup, which they stopped making and selling in the U.S. in 2011. Ford now makes a new model to try and rival Toyota's legendary Hilux (also of Top Gear infamy), including offering two diesel options, but it is unlikely to be sold in the U.S. anytime soon. Hey, whatever happened to free trade? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-06-12  01:08pm - 528 days #78
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Going by memory (which is not reliable, anymore), gas prices normally drop as the presidential election comes up. I'm pretty sure about that. Especially since gas prices rose above $2/gallon, which happened a while back.


They generally get cheaper in the fall, especially compared to their peaks in the summer months, but I don't think the elections themselves lower them.

I still get irked that they become a heated topic of debate though--there are bigger issues for the president than just the price of regular unleaded. Add in that there is barely a mention of climate change (just a theory!) or conservation (unAmerican!) and I would say the candidates really don't care that much about gas prices in particular or long term energy problems in general. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-06-12  01:24pm - 528 days #79
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I found myself feeling pleased last week that petrol had dropped back down to £1.337 per litre (If my maths is correct, that's US$8.10 per US gallon).


Yes, that's about right, though we would sell it as $8.10 9/10.

It's amusing to hear people in the U.S. complain about gas prices (or its taxes, regulations, etc.) in the U.S. when you compare them to Europe's. Or that we can label 20 mpg as "efficient" because it's so much better than the 18 mpg that the previous model got. We can still get giant cars and trucks, fairly low gas prices, and licensing requirements that are made up by the states instead of the federal government (I can only imagine the frothing at the mouth a federal driver license proposal would produce).

It's not all good though; our various state governments are in love with cameras of all kinds (I know they're a controversy in the U.K.), public transportation is still not taken seriously by a lot of politicians, and we seem to think fossil fuel is an infinite resource. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


On some models sold in the U.S. the price difference is considerable. The base price of a U.S.-sold 2-door Volkswagen Golf is around $1500 more than the base price of a 4-door gas version. They list the fuel efficiency as being 6-10 mpg better but I'd bet the price difference would turn people away, as well as the difference at the pump.

Still I think there are a lot of compact to midsize cars in the U.S. that would be great with diesel engines. Like all of the Golf's competitors, plus all the small SUVs, crossovers, and if they ever return to the states, small pickups as well.


I was thinking of the price difference at the pump, but you are right, they do like to charge considerably more for the diesel car models too. Probably because of the turbo-chargers... Worth it though, if you plan on keeping your car around for more than a few years. I sort of expect to see a return of diesels to the U.S. market, but that depends a bit on how well these new pure-electric cars do. If the Nissan Leaf and its ilk take off, the demand for diesels may never appear.

Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Ford now makes a new model to try and rival Toyota's legendary Hilux (also of Top Gear infamy), including offering two diesel options, but it is unlikely to be sold in the U.S. anytime soon. Hey, whatever happened to free trade?


Along same lines, why can't I buy a Toyota Hilux in the states? I don't want a damned Tacoma! (I know it is just a name badge, but it matters, damn it!) "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" ¡ Updated Link with Live Video filmed in Copenhagen in 1967 !

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11-06-12  04:06pm - 528 days #81
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Along same lines, why can't I buy a Toyota Hilux in the states? I don't want a damned Tacoma! (I know it is just a name badge, but it matters, damn it!)


It's more than a name badge. From what I've read they're are completely different except maybe in size and weight. Hiluxes seem to be marketed as work trucks--a role already taken by our cartoonishly large American-make pickups--and a lot of the comfort features (A/C, power seats, automatic transmission, etc.) are options, not standards. Ironic considering that Hilux is supposed to mean "high-luxury," but makes sense when you consider it's not the same as the Tacoma pickup.

And as far as why, I'm sure you know about the "Chicken tax" that makes it economically impractical to import light trucks like the Hilux (their Tundra and Tacoma models are made in the U.S.). Besides the chicken tax costs, I think modifying a number of vehicles to meet federal U.S. safety and emissions standards (another reason for fewer Euro and Asian diesels available in the states) would ultimately make them too expensive for most buyers.

Still pisses me off though! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-07-12  07:28am - 527 days #82
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I never heard of the "chicken tax". But then again, I'm politically illiterate.

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Chicken tax

U.S. intensive chicken farming led to the 1961–1964 "Chicken War" with Europe.

The chicken tax was a 25% tariff on potato starch, dextrin, brandy, and light trucks imposed in 1963 by the United States under President Lyndon B. Johnson as a response to tariffs placed by France and West Germany on importation of U.S. chicken.[1] The period from 1961–1964[2] of tensions and negotiations surrounding the issue, which took place at the height of Cold War politics, was known as the "Chicken War".[3]

Eventually, the tariffs on potato starch, dextrin, and brandy were lifted,[4] but over the next 48 years the light truck tax ossified, remaining in place to protect U.S. domestic automakers from foreign light truck production (e.g., from Japan and Thailand).[5] Though concern remains about its repeal,[6][7] a 2003 Cato Institute study called the tariff "a policy in search of a rationale."[4]

As an unintended consequence, several importers of light trucks have circumvented the tariff via loopholes—including Ford (ostensibly a company the tax was designed to protect), which currently imports the Transit Connect light trucks as "passenger vehicles" to the U.S. from Turkey, and immediately strips and shreds portions of their interiors in a warehouse outside Baltimore.[1]

11-07-12  08:36am - 527 days #83
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Ok, got this 3TB Western Digital - and no problems installing and so forth. BUT: It's SLOW!!! Slower than any of the other externals - point on it - and it'll last about 30 (half a minute) seconds or more to react - and get access to the drive.

Anybody know why? Is it only because of the amount of TB - or is it the fabric/the USB 2.0 port - or??????? "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

11-07-12  09:09am - 527 days #84
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Originally Posted by Denner:


Ok, got this 3TB Western Digital - and no problems installing and so forth. BUT: It's SLOW!!! Slower than any of the other externals - point on it - and it'll last about 30 (half a minute) seconds or more to react - and get access to the drive.

Anybody know why? Is it only because of the amount of TB - or is it the fabric/the USB 2.0 port - or???????


Gees Den that a tad slow, have you tried mounting the external ? So that the PC does not look at it like a peripheral
but as a drive? Speeds mine up about 15 seconds when I did that then I tell it to sleep when not needed.

11-07-12  10:24am - 527 days #85
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Cybertoad wrote
have you tried mounting the external ?


Mounting? Where? How? unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

11-07-12  11:18am - 527 days #86
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Originally Posted by Micha:


Cybertoad wrote
have you tried mounting the external ?


Mounting? Where? How?


Hey Micha,

Externals transfer and use default cache. I tell the PC it is installed and not external does that help ? The technical aspect may be to much to post but that's what I do, as it really helps when playing movies never a lag or anything no matter how big the file is. Sometimes big files are iffy on externals so I helped it along.
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11-07-12  08:32pm - 527 days #88
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Originally Posted by Micha:


Mounting? Where? How?


Cybertoad will have to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this sums it up for Windows 7:

Control Panel -> System and Security -> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Storage -> Disk Management

You should see your external listed under something like "Disk 3" with the descriptor "Removable" underneath it. Then you can right click on it and select "Change Drive Letters and Paths..." and click "Add" and select an empty folder on one of your main NTFS disks to link the drive to.

You can watch a strangely narrated video showing exactly the same operations above here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKC8U0nw7Bw "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" ¡ Updated Link with Live Video filmed in Copenhagen in 1967 !

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11-07-12  09:13pm - 527 days #89
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


Cybertoad will have to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this sums it up for Windows 7:

Control Panel -> System and Security -> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Storage -> Disk Management

You should see your external listed under something like "Disk 3" with the descriptor "Removable" underneath it. Then you can right click on it and select "Change Drive Letters and Paths..." and click "Add" and select an empty folder on one of your main NTFS disks to link the drive to.

You can watch a strangely narrated video showing exactly the same operations above here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKC8U0nw7Bw


I believe that is it, I have as an example my D drive and subbed out my f drive under do but reads as a hardrive kinda cool and yes pretty easy in 7 . It is funny but the OS ends up reading the drive different and in cases like my increased speed reduced lag.

11-07-12  09:33pm - 527 days #90
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Originally Posted by Denner:


Ok, got this 3TB Western Digital - and no problems installing and so forth. BUT: It's SLOW!!! Slower than any of the other externals - point on it - and it'll last about 30 (half a minute) seconds or more to react - and get access to the drive.

Anybody know why? Is it only because of the amount of TB - or is it the fabric/the USB 2.0 port - or???????


Just spitballin' here, but did you reformat the drive when you first got it?

I haven't bought a Western Digital in a while but I seem to remember them being one of those brands that includes some bullshit backup/recovery program automatically installed. Though I honestly don't think this would affect speed but anything's possible. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-07-12  09:49pm - 527 days #91
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Just spitballin' here, but did you reformat the drive when you first got it?

I haven't bought a Western Digital in a while but I seem to remember them being one of those brands that includes some bullshit backup/recovery program automatically installed. Though I honestly don't think this would affect speed but anything's possible.


That's a good point - also if for some bizarre reason it is FAT-32 instead of NTFS, that would cause for some speed loss.

I don't think anyone asked, but I think we are all assuming that the drive is 7200 RPM - that is correct, yes? If it is 5400 RPM, then that is why it is so slow. Similarly, if it isn't native USB 2.0 or 3.0, but instead USB 1.1 or lower, then that will also be a reason for it to be slow. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" ¡ Updated Link with Live Video filmed in Copenhagen in 1967 !

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11-08-12  06:19am - 527 days #92
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


That's a good point - also if for some bizarre reason it is FAT-32 instead of NTFS, that would cause for some speed loss.

I don't think anyone asked, but I think we are all assuming that the drive is 7200 RPM - that is correct, yes? If it is 5400 RPM, then that is why it is so slow. Similarly, if it isn't native USB 2.0 or 3.0, but instead USB 1.1 or lower, then that will also be a reason for it to be slow.


Is the drive used mostly or all for your collection ?

12-03-12  09:13pm - 501 days #93
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Originally Posted by Denner:


Ok, got this 3TB Western Digital - and no problems installing and so forth. BUT: It's SLOW!!! Slower than any of the other externals - point on it - and it'll last about 30 (half a minute) seconds or more to react - and get access to the drive.

Anybody know why? Is it only because of the amount of TB - or is it the fabric/the USB 2.0 port - or???????


Is the drive spinning down? That slow of an access time would seem to indicate the drive went to sleep.

Toadsith, I thought the vast majority of external drives were 5400 RPM anyway, the last one I took apart was, but I can never seem to find the stats on the actual drive in the enclosure.

Also, got an internal 2TB Seagate "Green" drive (5900 RPM) for $80, it runs well and I haven't seen any of the problems reported with the WD greens, although I still just don't like Seagate for some reason. I'm pretty happy with it, and porn access times seem just as good as my 1TB 7200 drive. It drops occasionally, but I am pretty sure that's because I bought a $10 SATA card.

There is one company that uses actual (base-2) sizes with drives, I feel like it was Intel or something with their SSDs? I don't feel like looking it up, but losing 200GB just seems like a scam at this point.

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