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06-12-12  12:23pm - 772 days Original Post - #1
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Too much sameness!

I know I've been repeating this ad nauseam during the past year or so, but no matter what photography (or mixed) site I subscribe to I see the same boring sets with the same skimpy outfits that are being shed on page one already, leaving one with a series of nude studies in the other five pages or so.

At first I was going to make this comment on the page of a site I had just subscribed to but then thought that wouldn't be quite fair to them because they all got into the same habit, from teen sites to mature (30-40) and that is models who will be asked to wear three basic items of clothing, top, bottom, bra or panties .. that's it.

There must be an awful lot of folks who either download or rate a set by a model's face or who will download anything that is presented to them on a given day.

Pictures were my first love but these days I am leaning more and more toward videos, but even there (in places like VideoBox) there can be a numbing sameness to their updates on many a day.

I think that from now on I will restrict my subscriptions to sites that give you a bit of a build-up before the action starts. Sites I scorned in the past but now find the most satisfying, like Bang Bros., Brazzers, NA, Reality Kings etc.

I know, I know, by necessity the sameness factor has to rear its boring head there as well but at least they don't start out naked or in the middle of action already and that's a big plus for me. Now if only they reduced the number of enhanceds!

End of rant .. no answer required, I simply had to get it off my chest .. AGAIN!

06-12-12  01:02pm - 772 days #2
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A good point well made, and I agree. I think the journey to nudity within a set is often as exciting as the nudity itself.

06-12-12  01:28pm - 772 days #3
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Thank you, Marcus! I do feel lonely at times when it comes to the subject of "what makes a good set?" It seems that most don't see a problem with the way things are done now, otherwise all those sites would not keep shooting the same way day after day. Edited on Jun 13, 2012, 09:51am

06-12-12  01:40pm - 772 days #4
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You must be an educated person. Or one with a German background.


I didn't understand your idiom until I looked it up on the internet. And even then, my understanding is slightly vague.

The meaning of "one manís meat is another manís poison" seems more straight forward.

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Yes, weíre all structured differently, so whatís good for one person, may touch a raw nerve in another. The idiom goes back to the year 1576 (T. Whythorne Autobiography) and is so well-known in the English-speaking world that itís often shortened to a simple ďone manís meatĒ. It doesnít apply just to meat though, but to all sorts of things, like jobs, books and friends.

The most literal German translation is Des einen Brot ist des andern Tod (one manís bread is another manís death). A translation that might be a little more expressive is the Northern German Was dem einen sin Uhl, ist dem anderen sin Nachtigall (one manís owl is another manís nightingale). Traditionally, the owl was seen to bring bad luck, whereas the nightingale and its song were seen as a harbinger of great fortune Ė though this belief may, of course, just be another matter of ďone manís meatĒ.

06-12-12  01:55pm - 772 days #5
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


You must be an educated person. Or one with a German background.


I didn't understand your idiom until I looked it up on the internet. And even then, my understanding is slightly vague.

The meaning of "one man�s meat is another man�s poison" seems more straight forward.

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One man�s meat is another man�s poison

08 June 2009

Yes, we�re all structured differently, so what�s good for one person, may touch a raw nerve in another. The idiom goes back to the year 1576 (T. Whythorne Autobiography) and is so well-known in the English-speaking world that it�s often shortened to a simple �one man�s meat�. It doesn�t apply just to meat though, but to all sorts of things, like jobs, books and friends.

The most literal German translation is Des einen Brot ist des andern Tod (one man�s bread is another man�s death). A translation that might be a little more expressive is the Northern German Was dem einen sin Uhl, ist dem anderen sin Nachtigall (one man�s owl is another man�s nightingale). Traditionally, the owl was seen to bring bad luck, whereas the nightingale and its song were seen as a harbinger of great fortune � though this belief may, of course, just be another matter of �one man�s meat�.


Yes, I do have a German background, lk2fireone!

In my youth we said (your quote): "Was dem einen sin Uhl, ist dem anderen sin Nachtigall (one man's owl is another man's nightingale) however we interpreted this in a different way which makes more sense, so far as my signature goes:

Owls generally don't sound very melodious, while a Nightingale's song is sweet, yet there will always be those who will prefer an owl to a nightingale.

I simply take it to mean, tastes differ, and try to remind myself of that even though I often forget (as in today's post ).

BTW, because I grew up in a different region of Germany my version (dialect) was: Ei Mann's Uhl isch an andere Mann's Nachtigall.

06-12-12  02:01pm - 772 days #6
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This complaint that you have messmer is quite a fair criticism.

The theory at the moment is that free download pirate sites are killing the biz. Since I'm not in the biz I can't comment on how true that is. However, I do think the producers could do their bit and at least try to make a product people will want to buy.

I have joined several sites recently, all that would be described as niche, so its not as if they don't have some idea of the concept that if you make the right product it will sell. But even then they seem almost invariably incapable of understanding what people want and what they need to do to set themselves apart.

On the subject of sameness, surely they could afford to buy more than a dozen nice lingerie outfits to use. You can buy these lingerie sets, good ones, in the sales for 15 uk pounds if you time it right. And if you are in business there is no reason you couldn't time it right.

Yet, literally 18 months after joining a certain site, they are still putting up new sets in the same gear they have when the site started 3 years ago. Then they wonder why maybe a person wouldn't be rushing to re-join. Er, maybe because all the lingerie sets we'd like to see the girls in that have been in the shops of the last year that you could've bought never appear on the site. (This view is based on UK sites with material that can be dated as being shot fairly recently). What better way to keep the content up to date and relevant to the people that want to subscribe ? Edited on Jun 12, 2012, 02:17pm

06-12-12  02:24pm - 772 days #7
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Bless you, Thomas! Second one from the U.K. to agree with me today. Maybe it's a European thing??? (See my note on having a German background)

And I completely and utterly agree with you when it comes to lingerie ... that's been my consistent beef in many of my posts: there are simply not enough shots of women clad in their erotic finest. Just some very abbreviated casual wear and then nudity has been the norm for some time.

06-12-12  03:19pm - 772 days #8
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Superfluous though it might be, you know I am on the same page here.

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06-12-12  03:54pm - 772 days #9
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Originally Posted by Capn:


Superfluous though it might be, you know I am on the same page here.

Cap'n.


Never superfluous, my friend! Maybe one of these days a webmaster might actually do the unthinkable in response to this thread (as well as previous ones) and figure out that there really IS a market for our type of picture set.

m. still waiting for the pendulum to swing back!

P.S. I have a blistering review coming up concerning this subject, if it isn't being rejected by management!

06-12-12  05:39pm - 772 days #10
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In Fairness to the photographers, there is only so much you can do without getting repetitive. There are only so many ways to photograph the human form and only so many clothing items, poses, and toys, etc. Most sites probably shoot for what the avg subscriber finds appealing or interesting. I assume they find out what people want via suggestions or ratings. If you fall outside the average, you likely are not going to get prime cuts of material that suit your tastes.

I have found that if I find nude photos unnapealing or boring, it's usually because I have been looking at too much porn. To put it candidly, if I take a break from porn, I find that after I view it again, I grow wood over stuff I used to find boring or commonplace.

I think there is truth to the folks who say those of us who view porn a lot get desensitized to it and need more and more stuff we aren't used to seeing in order to get arroused. Kind of like drinking--the more you drink, the more you will need to get a buzz. I cut back on my porn consumption a while back and subscribed to only one site the the past months after dumping one site that ripped me off. I vew it on occasion now as opposed to pretty much every other day. I appreciate it more as an art form and as an enchancement to my sex life.

I know that sounds odd, but I think the only way to keep it interesting is moderation. Otherwise, you just keep subscribing to stuff and spending a lot of money until you come across the few images that get your attention. Then you repeat etc....

Anyways, my two cents. understand what you are saying, though. A lot of material does seem to be pretty sterile in terms of general things like poses etc..I attribute this to the demands for volume. The goal is to keep churning out materail to keep customers subscribing.

06-12-12  06:22pm - 772 days #11
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Bless you, Thomas! Second one from the U.K. to agree with me today. Maybe it's a European thing??? (See my note on having a German background)

And I completely and utterly agree with you when it comes to lingerie ... that's been my consistent beef in many of my posts: there are simply not enough shots of women clad in their erotic finest. Just some very abbreviated casual wear and then nudity has been the norm for some time.


I'd agree with much of what you say, it certainly is tough to find quality these days.

I like to see women in good lingerie for sure but even normal everyday panties and bra are fine (as long as they aren't dirty and ratty!) as long as there is a good strip. Only tease is great for this, the major problem with their network being in the name, its all tease and no-payoff, a lot of the girls don't even do full nude.

What I'd ideally like is a sort of a hybrid of Only Tease and something like I feel Myself, a good strip followed by a good masturbation scene. It seems though that you either get one thing or the other, rarely both.

06-12-12  06:51pm - 772 days #12
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I can't comment on their recent content, but one of the strengths of Abby Winters' older content was their tendency to shoot models in the homes of said models and to encourage those models to wear their own clothing. It automatically added an nice bit of randomness into the sets and helped add some three-dimensionality to the model's presented personality as well.

So frequently models are provided the clothing by the production company and the sets are reused. It saves money and relies on the differences of the models as the selling point. It is sort of like one the tactics that drove the Detroit automotive industry into the ground for a bit there. They'd produce one basic car and then slap different badges on it and hope the customer would perceive them as different cars.

One does have to account for the expectations of the customers. A recent poll, as limited a sample size as it may be, showed that most of us expected a site to update multiple times a week. That is a massive amount of content production. You figure multi-million dollar television shows generally produce at maximum 24 episodes a year. This of course excludes the daily shows like news and other hosted shows, which some porn does compete with. If a porn site was only expected to produce 10 videos in a year, perhaps we'd all be members of HBX to watch the amazing acting, production values and entertaining writing in its hardcore production of Game of Bones. Alas, we want at least 104 videos made a year, preferably more, and we don't want to pay much for it.

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06-12-12  07:03pm - 772 days #13
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Originally Posted by BubbaGump:


In Fairness to the photographers, there is only so much you can do without getting repetitive. There are only so many ways to photograph the human form and only so many clothing items, poses, and toys, etc. Most sites probably shoot for what the avg subscriber finds appealing or interesting. I assume they find out what people want via suggestions or ratings. If you fall outside the average, you likely are not going to get prime cuts of material that suit your tastes.

I have found that if I find nude photos unnapealing or boring, it's usually because I have been looking at too much porn. To put it candidly, if I take a break from porn, I find that after I view it again, I grow wood over stuff I used to find boring or commonplace.

I think there is truth to the folks who say those of us who view porn a lot get desensitized to it and need more and more stuff we aren't used to seeing in order to get arroused. Kind of like drinking--the more you drink, the more you will need to get a buzz. I cut back on my porn consumption a while back and subscribed to only one site the the past months after dumping one site that ripped me off. I vew it on occasion now as opposed to pretty much every other day. I appreciate it more as an art form and as an enchancement to my sex life.

I know that sounds odd, but I think the only way to keep it interesting is moderation. Otherwise, you just keep subscribing to stuff and spending a lot of money until you come across the few images that get your attention. Then you repeat etc....

Anyways, my two cents. understand what you are saying, though. A lot of material does seem to be pretty sterile in terms of general things like poses etc..I attribute this to the demands for volume. The goal is to keep churning out materail to keep customers subscribing.


I do agree with much of what you say, Bubba. One can get desensitized if one watches too much porn and needs ever more extreme or unusual material to get the same kick out of it but I am talking about something that is actually more moderate than that: I would simply like the ladies to be clad in more than just some cut-off jeans (or jeans) and short top (or blouse), as one example. That to me is sterile because you can indeed only do so much with that.

In my opinion the difference between one set and the other can only come in if you change the way, from model to model, how she dresses. Have some of them wear nice, summery dresses, complete with bra and full panties, others in lingerie getting ready for bed, others indeed in jeans or cut-offs etc. etc.

Just make the sets different from one another a bit so they don't all look cookie-cutter. You are right, when it comes to the human body there is only so much you can do. After all, postures are basically the same, body shapes and sizes vary a bit but after downloading one set of a model because you like her you have seen it all ... unless ... again ... you are able to download sets that have her in more than three, four pieces of clothing. Edited on Jun 13, 2012, 09:41am

06-12-12  07:09pm - 772 days #14
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Originally Posted by Reveen:


I'd agree with much of what you say, it certainly is tough to find quality these days.

I like to see women in good lingerie for sure but even normal everyday panties and bra are fine (as long as they aren't dirty and ratty!) as long as there is a good strip. Only tease is great for this, the major problem with their network being in the name, its all tease and no-payoff, a lot of the girls don't even do full nude.

What I'd ideally like is a sort of a hybrid of Only Tease and something like I feel Myself, a good strip followed by a good masturbation scene. It seems though that you either get one thing or the other, rarely both.


Agreed. Every day clothing with bra and panties is fine with me! It is the tease factor you are mentioning that makes things exciting for me and for that you have to draw out a set a bit rather than reveal all on page one of the gallery.

Talking about OnlyTease. I have always had a problem with their pictures for different reasons. I find them too soft .. not as in "softcore" .. but not sharp enough in detail otherwise they would be a good choice along with the other "Only_x" sites. The site that matches my taste the best is called "Vintage Flash." I love their videos and will re-subscribe soon. Those English Ladies sure know how to perform a good tease! Edited on Jun 13, 2012, 09:44am

06-12-12  07:28pm - 772 days #15
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


I can't comment on their recent content, but one of the strengths of Abby Winters' older content was their tendency to shoot models in the homes of said models and to encourage those models to wear their own clothing. It automatically added an nice bit of randomness into the sets and helped add some three-dimensionality to the model's presented personality as well.

So frequently models are provided the clothing by the production company and the sets are reused. It saves money and relies on the differences of the models as the selling point. It is sort of like one the tactics that drove the Detroit automotive industry into the ground for a bit there. They'd produce one basic car and then slap different badges on it and hope the customer would perceive them as different cars.

One does have to account for the expectations of the customers. A recent poll, as limited a sample size as it may be, showed that most of us expected a site to update multiple times a week. That is a massive amount of content production. You figure multi-million dollar television shows generally produce at maximum 24 episodes a year. This of course excludes the daily shows like news and other hosted shows, which some porn does compete with. If a porn site was only expected to produce 10 videos in a year, perhaps we'd all be members of HBX to watch the amazing acting, production values and entertaining writing in its hardcore production of Game of Bones. Alas, we want at least 104 videos made a year, preferably more, and we don't want to pay much for it.

I believe there is an old adage about business: It can be built well. It can be built quickly. It can be built cheaply. Choose two.


I will always have a fond spot in my heart for Abby Winters. It was the first erotic site (I hate to call it porn) I ever subscribed to. And I agree with you completely that the randomness of the clothing the girls wore added much to the excitement and color of the site.

As to loads of updates .. there too I agree with you. I would rather have quality and fewer updates than the MacPorn that has been churned out lately.

I have a few select sites that fit the bill when it comes to quality and relatively few updates as compared to others. In their case I subscribe for a month, put them under "favorites" at the end of that month and remind myself to re-subscribe in 6 months or so when enough material has once again accumulated.

I simply made the mistake of going back to other (formerly) favorite sites over and over again because I liked them at one time and now find that their huge updates are too imitative of each other and quite dull .. to me, I must hasten to add!!

For a while last month I had four sites going, two of them were for a three month period. I gave them the last two months of the subscription as a gift because of the boredom factor and took them off my data base, the other two are at present nothing but churners out of stuff. They used to be good but now I look at each update in despair because they have dropped originality for quantity!

And, no, I have not become jaded, nor do I need to take a break from porn. Sometimes that's a good idea but not in this case. I simply need to see some of the tease factor put back into porn. To this day I cherish older picture sets on my hard drive that had that oomph! And videos that had a story! Edited on Jun 12, 2012, 07:32pm

06-12-12  08:23pm - 772 days #16
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I will always have a fond spot in my heart for Abby Winters. It was the first erotic site (I hate to call it porn) I ever subscribed to. And I agree with you completely that the randomness of the clothing the girls wore added much to the excitement and color of the site.


I was going to mention the old Abby Winters actually. Between 2005 and 2007 it was a great site, sure there was a lot of average stuff but the gems were good enough to make the subscription well worth it. Nowadays, I took a look at the new AW site and it just looks generic and all the originality it had is long gone.

Girls like Paula, Armine, Chloe B and Rosanna were magic, there was a feeling that the girls were genuine and not just porn stereotypes. There was one series of vids that Rosanna did where she dressed and undressed numerous times with various different bras, panties, dresses, jeans etc, awesomeness

One thing I did dislike about AW, as with almost every multi model site is that I would have liked to see the best models more often and not have constantly have average models just because they are "fresh faces". I'd rather see 6 great models do lots of pics and vids for a site rather than dozens of average bored girls.

If AW had done a www.paula.com or www.rosanna.com I would have been so all over that its unreal

06-13-12  09:06am - 771 days #17
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Originally Posted by Marcus:


A good point well made, and I agree. I think the journey to nudity within a set is often as exciting as the nudity itself.


The journey is just as important as the destination, IMO.

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06-13-12  11:01am - 771 days #18
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I am one of those who download based on the model's face and facial expressions. I then try to find everything (photos only) she has done on all sites and get as much of it as possible before I look at any of it, regardless of theme.

But I do much prefer it when the theme includes slow strip from elegant clothes, via pretty lingerie, to full nude with lots of pink on show.

I think you have already been a member of virtually everything I have joined (and then some) that caters to that preference. When you refer to the site "Vintage Lingerie", I assume you mean "Vintage Flash", which you not only joined but reviewed. I was last a member there in November 2011 and rate it very highly. I asked them to increase the photo resolution and I would be very interested to know if they have done so. I might rejoin in two or three months from now. I notice you have moved to the dark side (are now tending towards video rather than photos). Their videos seemed to be excellent quality but you know that already.

I also loved SuburbanAmateurs but I see you have been there too.

ATK Galleria has a lot of clothed to full nude via lingerie and it has a defined category for lingerie and a method to search for lingerie sets. I think it is the biggest source of such photos.

FETS does not seem to have been mentioned. It is many years since I was there. Its free area appears to give access to full search by category and all thumbnails of all sets. It is definitely a theme site. It has a 7 day trial but I have not poked around enough to work out if it is full access.

And, though I am not into video, one performer who has done video that I enjoy - actually I think she is a in a league of her own - is Sophie Moone. I have not checked if you ever joined SweetSophieMoone via 21stSextury. I did, as I adore her to bits. I even downloaded video of her. Yes, even I can occasionally like video. Problem there is the video resolution. 720x540 mp4 is the highest and a lot is 512x384 mpg. But she was sooo hot and she wears some great costumes. I can kind of get used to the low resolution.

AllOver30. Yeah, you have been there!

WeAreHairy - you have been there!

NaughtyNylonGirls is another one to check out. When I joined (for a month at the end of 2009), it was exclusively Laurita, who I like lots. Now it seems to have more models too. It has a very cheap membership (too good to be true?).

Best of luck.

06-13-12  01:26pm - 771 days #19
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Originally Posted by Claypaws:


I am one of those who download based on the model's face and facial expressions. I then try to find everything (photos only) she has done on all sites and get as much of it as possible before I look at any of it, regardless of theme.

But I do much prefer it when the theme includes slow strip from elegant clothes, via pretty lingerie, to full nude with lots of pink on show.

I think you have already been a member of virtually everything I have joined (and then some) that caters to that preference. When you refer to the site "Vintage Lingerie", I assume you mean "Vintage Flash", which you not only joined but reviewed. I was last a member there in November 2011 and rate it very highly. I asked them to increase the photo resolution and I would be very interested to know if they have done so. I might rejoin in two or three months from now. I notice you have moved to the dark side (are now tending towards video rather than photos). Their videos seemed to be excellent quality but you know that already.

I also loved SuburbanAmateurs but I see you have been there too.

ATK Galleria has a lot of clothed to full nude via lingerie and it has a defined category for lingerie and a method to search for lingerie sets. I think it is the biggest source of such photos.

FETS does not seem to have been mentioned. It is many years since I was there. Its free area appears to give access to full search by category and all thumbnails of all sets. It is definitely a theme site. It has a 7 day trial but I have not poked around enough to work out if it is full access.

And, though I am not into video, one performer who has done video that I enjoy - actually I think she is a in a league of her own - is Sophie Moone. I have not checked if you ever joined SweetSophieMoone via 21stSextury. I did, as I adore her to bits. I even downloaded video of her. Yes, even I can occasionally like video. Problem there is the video resolution. 720x540 mp4 is the highest and a lot is 512x384 mpg. But she was sooo hot and she wears some great costumes. I can kind of get used to the low resolution.

AllOver30. Yeah, you have been there!

WeAreHairy - you have been there!

NaughtyNylonGirls is another one to check out. When I joined (for a month at the end of 2009), it was exclusively Laurita, who I like lots. Now it seems to have more models too. It has a very cheap membership (too good to be true?).

Best of luck.


We seem to have been members of quite a few similar sites, Claypaws! Yes, I made a mistake with Vintage Flash and corrected it this morning! That one, so far, is my favorite site, except that I wasn't too keen on the quality of their photos and therefore downloaded mostly their videos.

ATK Galleria: got boring (some older sets were fair.) There was also a fair bit of mislabeling because lingerie sets often contained nothing but a girl who was wearing panties for once!

ATK Exotica: is boring (this one caused my latest outburst)

AO30: got boring (old sets contain far more dresses and lingerie).

WAH: got boring (too many young girls wearing young girls clothes.) Which means possibly a pair of cotton panties now and then for the lingerie lover and for me they belong to the same category as tights. It's either something silky and smooth (nylon, satin, silk) or I don't want it!

Your NaughtyNylonGirls sounds good but I have been disappointed in the past by sites with similar names because most specialized in pantyhose (which I despise).

What does this site feature when it comes to nylon: stockings, panties, nighties, teddies, slips? Or the accursed PH (or tights?) Edited on Jun 13, 2012, 01:30pm

06-13-12  03:39pm - 771 days #20
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I think Vintage Flash is my favourite too. I really do hope the webmaster listened (as opposed to echoed, as I believe Cap'n aptly put it) and increased the resolution in response to some very lengthy email correspondence we had. I downloaded their videos as well as their photos. Given that I find the video so unsatisfying as a medium, I was rather surprised by how much I enjoyed them.

As I am now signed up for Galleria, I shall make a point of evaluating the lingerie category as it now stands and include mention of it when I review it in a week or two.

NaughtyNylonGirls then - to answer your questions. First, a caveat. My membership was late in 2009, i.e. two and a half years ago so I cannot guarantee that the emphasis is still exactly the same. I reckon the content I downloaded then will probably still be available but I don't really know how much they have added. The tour gives suggestion that it is still updating. In 2009, Laurita was the only model and, since I love her, she is why I joined. You know her from AllOver30 - blonde, 30s, with lovely natural breasts and very prominent nipples.

I downloaded and have kept 50 photo sets. They are not highres, mainly around 1024x680 but that might have increased in 30 months. The tour is not at all informative.

In those 50 sets, there is only one pantyhose. One nightie and a couple of teddies. All the rest are bra, panties, and either stockings and suspenders or stockings with elasticated tops. The materials are variously satin, silk, lace and nylon and in a variety of colours including white black, red, beige, pink and blue. There is some fishnet. And in a few sets she wears what I can only describe as a corset - covers the midriff and under the breasts, but not the crotch (separate panties)and laces up at the back. Her favourite colour for that item seems to be blue. In a few sets, she is wearing the lingerie underneath formal office clothing. In others it is under a dress and in some it is more casual blouse and skirt.

All the sets show all the girly bits and most have some finger spreading pink. I also downloaded some sets with toys but the toys do not come into play until well into those sets so the set is very acceptable as a complete set before the toy spoils it.

And - Cap'n please note (!!!) - she never gets "fully nude". She keeps the stockings on right to the end and sometimes one or two other lingerie items as well. In this respect, it is similar to Vintage Flash.

I reckon you would probably find enough to justify a month, given its extremely low price, so long as you can accept that the photo resolution is no better than Vintage Flash and often worse - or at least such was the case in 2009.

I have not rejoined because I reckoned they would not have updated hugely since 2009. And Laurita also has a site on Southern Charms (where she's called Lexi Blue), which I joined. Its picture quality is possibly less good than NaughtyNylonGirls but I was in a phase where I would join ANYTHING that had Laurita in it! For some reason, I ignored AuntJudy though. But I now have about 140 sets of Laurita, which is probably enough even for me. Though, if you do give NNG a try and find updates for Laurita through 2010, 2011 and 2012, I might even give it another go myself.

There is also video on NNG that I downloaded - I took about 30 of them. It is wmv, around 4000Kbps, really 720x576 but surrounded with a black border so its stats show as 1280x720. As in the photos, she keeps some lingerie on right through the whole video but we get intimate views of all the naughty bits. There is some hardcore too - with her husband.

Anyway, it's your call. I think it is under $10. I hope this is useful. Like a mini review Edited on Jun 13, 2012, 03:46pm

06-13-12  03:44pm - 771 days #21
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I know I've been repeating this ad nauseam during the past year or so,

End of rant .. no answer required, I simply had to get it off my chest .. AGAIN!


We NEVER tire of your rants, partner. Your roars are at the fore-front of opening the door to scores of worthless, repetitive, and frivolous junk foisted on us by Web-sited Bozos whose sights are frozen in tunnel-vision-mode.
Keep up the speed, big-guy....... you're "fighting the good fight." (a Churchill moment)

06-13-12  05:16pm - 771 days #22
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We shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the stair landings,
we shall fight in the studios,
we shall fight in the bathrooms and in the kitchens,
we shall fight on the hills;
we shall never surrender! You know the partyís really getting underway when the female boxers take a fisting break.

The next time someone tries to sell you something, ask them, "Do I get a floppy disk with it?" See how they react ...

06-13-12  07:33pm - 771 days #23
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Thanks, Claypaws! I love Lexi Blue, I have a few sets of hers from SC. I've always been tempted to tell the professional photographers on the regular pay sites to go to SC and watch how the amateurs do it. Most models are shot by their husbands, boyfriends and most of the ladies still know how to dress, or should I say undress, with the eroticism of the whole strip still there.

Their SOs also seem to have a great love for sexy lingerie because there's hardly a model on that site who doesn't feature it prominently. I had a subscription to a couple of the SC sites over the years but gave them up because the picture sets weren't zipped. I suppose now with Firefox' "Down Them All" it would be a lot easier to grab the set.

I still maintain (past talks with the Cap'n) that if someone combined 4 - 5 of the better looking mature SC models into one site, with pictures zipped .. then they would have exactly what I am looking for when it comes to pictures.

As long as they don't switch to professional photographers.

P.S. Almost forgot to thank you for the trouble you took to give me greater insight into NNG! So thanks for taking the time. I must take the tour. Edited on Jun 13, 2012, 07:36pm

06-13-12  07:41pm - 771 days #24
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


We shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the stair landings,
we shall fight in the studios,
we shall fight in the bathrooms and in the kitchens,
we shall fight on the hills;
we shall never surrender!


We shall fight for more bras,
We shall fight for more panties,
We shall fight for more stockings,
We shall fight for more garter belts,
We shall fight for more zest until the
photogs finally put their lame stuff to rest!

06-13-12  07:42pm - 771 days #25
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Originally Posted by graymane:


We NEVER tire of your rants, partner. Your roars are at the fore-front of opening the door to scores of worthless, repetitive, and frivolous junk foisted on us by Web-sited Bozos whose sights are frozen in tunnel-vision-mode.
Keep up the speed, big-guy....... you're "fighting the good fight." (a Churchill moment)


I think you are quickly becoming my hero, Graymane. Or did I say that already?

06-14-12  12:49am - 770 days #26
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Messmer, you ever tried In The Crack? I'm sure there's a joke there, but In The Crack does usually showcase the model's body in clothes. They'll never say and I won't push for an answer, but there was another site, Give Me Pink, that is now dead that really excelled at everything before nudity. Once to nudity, both kind of risk going off the deep end, like Denner says, "I'm not interested in gynecology" with their closeups, but both of those sites do (In the Crack still going) and did (Give Me Pink is an archive site now) have a lot of teasing in clothes.

This is something else I've started to notice. Look for models who are good at teasing. Most studios these days do seem to be playing to the strengths of the models. In my years, I have always thought the European models were the best teases. I know this is far-reaching and his site does seem to be dying down, but Pacino of Pacino's Adventures loves dressing his models up and having them strip, so much in fact, at least one of his sites is non-nude. The other good thing about checking Pacino's site out is that you won't find many tattoos or implants.

I don't know why I never thought of mentioning his site to you. Amateur models, I would say 95% start clothed and tease, little to no tattoos or implants. I would recommend anyone bored with current porn to download his sets of the model "Jessica". One of the best natural bodies I've ever seen and the amateur factor plays a huge part in her scenes. There are still members posting on his forum asking for more of her, but she only shot 3-4 sets for Pacino, took the money and ran as far away from the porn business as she could, but her sets are some of the sexiest and most believable I've seen. You can find some samples by searching, "Pacino's Adventures Jessica". ďYou cannot blame porn. When I was young, I used to masturbate to Gilligan's Island.Ē - Ron Jeremy

06-14-12  08:22am - 770 days #27
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I waited to ring the bell on this one, my conundrum over this is I was and am a huge fan of pictures. My collection is never the less, mostly videos and the move making experience. As shutter bug myself I love angles compositions and lighting. But as had been said over and over in this thread is complacency in the business when it comes to the photo stills that makes it boring!

I also realize there could be the area of limits on photography, I have to disagree on this one. My compositions of film exceed to the limits and excogitates my frontal lobe in many ways during my exploration of paparazzo moments.

The difference I share with my fellow picture takers is, be one with the camera. A pitcher on a baseball team throws a ball in the same direction each time but with a difference opponent each time. Yet the crowd cheers game after game, and season after season. It is not the ball being thrown, nor the batters who swing wildly that makes the game exciting . It is the passion that is clear to spectators the passion of those two battled in moment of desired triumphs.

So must a photographers with passion will be clear in his work, a person who snaps pictures trying to capture perfection will stick out like a sore thumb.

However just like ball players, its the love of the game that makes it play not work. Passion is only seen in the way it is expressed. Not the way the picture is snapped.

CT Edited on Jun 14, 2012, 08:26am

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A good point well made, and I agree. I think the journey to nudity within a set is often as exciting as the nudity itself.

I SO wish that everyone thought like that. I totally agree with you. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity.

06-14-12  02:20pm - 770 days #29
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Originally Posted by messmer:


We shall fight for more bras,
We shall fight for more panties,
We shall fight for more stockings,
We shall fight for more garter belts,
We shall fight for more zest until the
photogs finally put their lame stuff to rest!


EEEeeeyyyyyyyyy! You know the partyís really getting underway when the female boxers take a fisting break.

The next time someone tries to sell you something, ask them, "Do I get a floppy disk with it?" See how they react ...

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If you love Lexi Blue, I am virtually certain you will like NNG, given that its photography is still amateur, of slightly better quality than Lexi Blue and with at least as much emphasis on the lingerie. I should add that, if I had been writing formal reviews of NNG and VintageFlash, I would have given VF about 83; NNG about 75. But that is because the score would be more objective than a reflection of my personal enjoyment. 75 compared to 82 because of the lower technical quality of both photos and videos and the smaller quantity. However, the personal value of NNG greatly exceeds its objective score because I totally love Laurita and the lingerie theme is very well to my tastes. Laurita most certainly knows how to undress with all the eroticism of the strip and her eye contact is sublime.

I agree that a collection of the best from SC would be a good site. The photogs obviously have the rapport with their SOs, so they can capture the playfulness and personality. I would not want to swap the photogs for professionals but I think they could use some help with colour, sharpening and compression issues.

DTA does indeed make unzipped sets easier to handle. I think I got around the problem by writing my own autohotkey scripts when I was in SC.

The NNG tour says all sets are zipped and that later ones are bigger than 1500x1000 (which is still not great but acceptable for a one off join at its price point).

I am glad the info was helpful to you and thank you for saying so.

06-14-12  06:59pm - 770 days #31
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I think you are quickly becoming my hero, Graymane. Or did I say that already?


Thanks, Messmer ..... but I think the message I was attempting to convey here has to do with your sincere beliefs that you're going over the top hammering the same refrain getting through to these air-heads.
Be assured, you're talkin' and responsible parties are hearing...maybe not completely listening, but the evidence demonstrates, in part, from the response you're getting from your fellow members.
These oblivious studio honchos, who're cemented to the status-quo, are like wads of tough meat ... whether it works or not, (figuratively) cleated hammer-heads of reason simply needs to continue coming down on their thick behinds until hopefully there's another crack or two.

Make no mistake, sir messmer..... you and your like out there who're unyeilding in whatever endeavored quest they're harbing, are the real heros

06-14-12  07:31pm - 770 days #32
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Originally Posted by exotics4me:


Messmer, you ever tried In The Crack? I'm sure there's a joke there, but In The Crack does usually showcase the model's body in clothes. They'll never say and I won't push for an answer, but there was another site, Give Me Pink, that is now dead that really excelled at everything before nudity. Once to nudity, both kind of risk going off the deep end, like Denner says, "I'm not interested in gynecology" with their closeups, but both of those sites do (In the Crack still going) and did (Give Me Pink is an archive site now) have a lot of teasing in clothes.

This is something else I've started to notice. Look for models who are good at teasing. Most studios these days do seem to be playing to the strengths of the models. In my years, I have always thought the European models were the best teases. I know this is far-reaching and his site does seem to be dying down, but Pacino of Pacino's Adventures loves dressing his models up and having them strip, so much in fact, at least one of his sites is non-nude. The other good thing about checking Pacino's site out is that you won't find many tattoos or implants.

I don't know why I never thought of mentioning his site to you. Amateur models, I would say 95% start clothed and tease, little to no tattoos or implants. I would recommend anyone bored with current porn to download his sets of the model "Jessica". One of the best natural bodies I've ever seen and the amateur factor plays a huge part in her scenes. There are still members posting on his forum asking for more of her, but she only shot 3-4 sets for Pacino, took the money and ran as far away from the porn business as she could, but her sets are some of the sexiest and most believable I've seen. You can find some samples by searching, "Pacino's Adventures Jessica".


Thanks, exotics, for the great tips. I did subscribe to one of the sites (ITC) some time ago and liked it a lot. But as with so many other sites that I liked, and even gave high review scores to, they just didn't give me what I was really after. I am grateful for the leads (Pacino's Adventures and Amateur Models) and will check them out. So, thanks again! Edited on Jun 14, 2012, 07:42pm

06-14-12  07:39pm - 770 days #33
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Originally Posted by Claypaws:


I agree that a collection of the best from SC would be a good site. The photogs obviously have the rapport with their SOs, so they can capture the playfulness and personality. I would not want to swap the photogs for professionals but I think they could use some help with colour, sharpening and compression issues.


I completely agree with your last sentence, Claypaws! There are many models at SC who are shot in too amateurish a way: blurred pictures, red eyes, out of focus, lighting that is too dim. I've always steered clear of them after seeing some samples.

I subscribed for a long time to the site of an English model called Camilla, not only is she gorgeous but her husband sure is a pro (in a good way) because her picture sets are a joy to behold.

P.S. I have looked in vain for NaughtyNylonGirls on TBP and can't see it listed anywhere? Is it still in existence? Edited on Jun 14, 2012, 07:50pm

06-15-12  03:21am - 769 days #34
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Originally Posted by messmer:


P.S. I have looked in vain for NaughtyNylonGirls on TBP and can't see it listed anywhere? Is it still in existence?


It is not listed at TBP (I guess they could be asked to add it) but it still exists and seems to be updating.

Just put NaughtyNylonGirls into the address bar of Firefox and it will find it.

We have some similar tastes and shared frustration of the difficulty of finding sites that meet all our precise requirements! Never having encountered Camilla, I just found her site. I see what you mean Edited on Jun 15, 2012, 03:31am

06-15-12  11:36am - 769 days #35
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Originally Posted by Claypaws:


It is not listed at TBP (I guess they could be asked to add it) but it still exists and seems to be updating.

Just put NaughtyNylonGirls into the address bar of Firefox and it will find it.

We have some similar tastes and shared frustration of the difficulty of finding sites that meet all our precise requirements! Never having encountered Camilla, I just found her site. I see what you mean


Okay, I found it! What a tempting site. I especially like the fact that "You will now find most of my photo updates come with a set of suitable images in a SUPAWIDE 16:9 Format which allows members with wide screen monitors to display my pics in full screen mode."

This is exactly what I have been whining for since 2007:

landscape format pictures for the new wide screen monitors rather than portrait. This would definitely sell the site to me and even re-convert me to collecting pictures!

I must ask Khan to add it to TBP/PU!

06-16-12  08:11am - 768 days #36
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Glad you are tempted! And I agree about the landscape format images.

I see you have now asked Khan to add it.

If there are, say, 50 or more sets that have been added through 2010, 2011 and 2012, I may even rejoin it myself!

06-18-12  01:13pm - 766 days #37
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I absolutely agree.

But, It's not just lingere. Its sameness everywhere. The girls just don't act unique and real. It all looks scripted and just plain unnatural.

I'm looking for the best overall niche download site with these qualities and don't care what the price is:

*Any expert suggestions???*

* Erotica/Passionate
* Innocent gets seduced
* Wife/Couple has Threesomes
* Innocent but dirty acting girls, seduced, etc.


I like hardcore stuff. I like the variety. But only if it looks believable and passionate. The issue I'm having is... Most of these sites the girls they feature are too aggressive/loud/porn star like. So it doesn't make it the most "believable"

Thats why I like the classic style so much.

Am I the only one?

These sites also also don't give you enough previews to really know what your getting and it's a pain in the but signing up for free trials and then difficult to cancel.

06-20-12  10:13pm - 763 days #38
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I have read quite a lot of the comments on this post and will just add my short opinion. I definitely prefer to see a girl wearing some items underneath her outer clothing. Just going from a summery dress to full nude is certainly not the best way. There should be a bra and skimpy knickers at the very least for a nice tease. Any site that follows this format will get my vote.

06-20-12  11:35pm - 763 days #39
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That is the problem, Keith.

Few, if any, consistently do.

See my old 'striptease' thread for relevant info.

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05-12-13  03:15pm - 438 days #40
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I too feel its too much of the same old thing... Its getting boring!

I mean, there are a lot of gorgeous looking pornstars/models and tons of websites including many sites and networks that update on a daily basis but they come up with pretty much the same concepts and ideas they have been using for months or years.

I like hardcore niches such as anal, dps and gangbangs and there are a lot of it but I would like to see more of these:

- scenes beginning with a little fantasy story such as: girl getting drunk at the club and ends up being ganbanged, striptease dancer paid some extra cash to get fucked in the ass, photoshoot gone wrong from softcore to hardcore, etc

- hardcore action such as anal, dps and gaping but slowly performed sometimes or at least more often: guy slowly penetrates the girl in the ass while another dude already in her pussy suck her tits or lick her face

- more domination and submission style sex such as PornstarsPunishement which has been removed from the Brazzers network.

- more graphic high quality photos showing close up penetrations and girl facial expressions (pain, regret, surprised, etc)


I'm still confident some studios are going to come up with new fresh and innovative content to please many of us!

05-13-13  10:29am - 437 days #41
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Originally Posted by Cameramankeith:


I have read quite a lot of the comments on this post and will just add my short opinion. I definitely prefer to see a girl wearing some items underneath her outer clothing. Just going from a summery dress to full nude is certainly not the best way. There should be a bra and skimpy knickers at the very least for a nice tease. Any site that follows this format will get my vote.


And the "skimpy knickers" should be fully visible and not half hidden by the various positions (half bent forward, half bent to the side, rear shots with knickers already at half mast) the photographers put the models in. I keep longing for a couple of shots a set where the model actually stands up straight, facing the camera with panties still fully up, after that the photog can do what he wants. The ideal shot would be from slightly below (photographer kneeling) so that part of the crotch (gusset) would be visible as well.

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You hit it with the title of the thread.

A formula is fine, I do not have an issue with that per se.

The problem is so many sites work to the same formula, instead of being more creative & imaginative.

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05-13-13  12:21pm - 437 days #43
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Originally Posted by Capn:


You hit it with the title of the thread.

A formula is fine, I do not have an issue with that per se.

The problem is so many sites work to the same formula, instead of being more creative & imaginative.

Cap'n.



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05-13-13  12:45pm - 437 days #44
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A simple but accurate analogy!

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05-13-13  01:50pm - 437 days #45
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Its like going down the cookie isle and all the cookies are chocolate chip.


I hate chocolate chip cookies!

05-13-13  10:10pm - 436 days #46
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Its like going down the cookie isle and all the cookies are chocolate chip.


You nailed it! A true neck-lover.

05-28-13  09:23pm - 421 days #47
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These are some pretty good points. I have a uniform fetish/ reality amateur porn fetish, and most of the site I find are the nonsense Halloween costume sites. Does anyone like real uniforms even if they aren't normally sexy? I found this one site that just came up recently, but I haven't naught a subscription yet because they don't have a whole lot of content yet. It is based on reality uniforms of girls this guy goes out and meets. Has anyone had a subscription or know if its good? It's called Brick Yates.
brickyates.com

Thanks Jack Edited by Staff on May 28, 2013, 09:53pm (Khan: edited direct link url)

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So whom do we talk to in the porn industry to get them to
listen?
I find it hard in the short time porn has been on the net they are running into a brick wall.

Magazines did well until then and seems that the internet Adult world has a responsibility to continue the move on the internet. I have to say I am disappointed at the roll the big boys of porn are taking, they are turning what once were pleasure palaces of porn, to porn mills.

Its like taking Pure Bread Dogs breeding and caring for them, and then getting greedy and opening puppy mills.

06-03-13  11:10am - 416 days #49
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I see it as everyone trying to appease the masses.

Content producers aim at the large slice & get a small sliver of it if they are lucky.

If they moved to a more focussed target niche, perhaps they would have more success & identity.

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06-03-13  11:53am - 416 days #50
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Originally Posted by Capn:


I see it as everyone trying to appease the masses.

Content producers aim at the large slice & get a small sliver of it if they are lucky.

If they moved to a more focussed target niche, perhaps they would have more success & identity.

Cap'n.



They don't have to appease the masses, just me ! .

Ya I hear ya, seems maybe we are getting old maybe porn is migrating away from tasteful to it taste like .
Of course my opinion.

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