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03-09-12  02:38pm - 959 days Original Post - #1
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Hard drive Price Watch

2T Seagate Freeagent external usb2 $114.99

64G Torox 90G Force solid state A buck a gig unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

03-09-12  08:25pm - 959 days #2
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Arguing with some people is like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, shits all over the board, then flies back to its flock to claim victory. Edited on Mar 09, 2012, 08:34pm

03-10-12  01:02am - 959 days #3
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I can remember when $3398 was serious money.

As with most things electronic, if you don't like the price, wait a week. unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

03-10-12  04:41am - 958 days #4
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:





I once had a 100 MB drive I'd paid $500 for. When it died after a couple of years, it made a sound like Popeye going "UUUuuuhhh!" Which came first: the chicken or the egg?
The rooster.
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03-10-12  06:48am - 958 days #5
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Isn't that the thing with mot technology. The first ones seem to always be unbelievably expensive while the next generations that follow it drop in price as fast as they surpass their previous generation.

I can still remember the first computer that I bought and it was about the same price as many of todays computer but it compared to them then it might as well be a paper weight since I can do more with my iPod than I could with it. Long live the Brown Coats.

03-10-12  10:28am - 958 days #6
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Originally Posted by Micha:


As with most things electronic, if you don't like the price, wait a week.


Last time I waited for a week, there was a flood in Thailand, HDD prices doubled and some say they won't go to pre-flood prices until 2014.

03-10-12  12:21pm - 958 days #7
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Western Digital does seem to be replenishing their supplies or Amazon had a few dozen cases of their Element externals stashed away.

First price you see is $179.99 for the 2 TB, but if you put it in your cart and check, it drops to $129.99. Still not quite where they were, though I may be off there since I bought my last one during the Black Friday sales on Amazon for $89.99, but here's the Amazon link.

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Elements-Desktop-External/dp/B002QEBMCI

That's been one of the better externals I bought since it has no software on it that I have to figure out how to stop from running and removing. Only problem I've had with it is the same as most externals. It likes to take long naps and will take 30 seconds or so to wake up. “You cannot blame porn. When I was young, I used to masturbate to Gilligan's Island.” - Ron Jeremy

03-10-12  01:45pm - 958 days #8
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Today at Fry's 1.5T Seagate GoFlex $79 one day only unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

03-10-12  01:49pm - 958 days #9
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03-16-12  01:31pm - 952 days #11
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Western Digital 4T office storage server $859.99

Western Digital 8T office storage server $1309.99 unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

03-20-12  08:18am - 948 days #12
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Prices seem to be dropping on Amazon and Newegg.

03-27-12  11:19pm - 941 days #13
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Hitachi Deskstar 2T internal $119 Fry's unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

03-30-12  06:05pm - 938 days #14
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Just a little good NEWS for future hard drive prices. I am banking on them coming down soon, I am running a wee bit short on capacity. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~

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03-31-12  07:22am - 937 days #15
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Externals.....
Funny: For a long time the price for those necessary (to collectors) hard drives generally went down - but lately the price is skyrocketing.....
When now looking for a new of the sames I got, the price (close to worldwide) is about 50% higher????? "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

03-31-12  08:43am - 937 days #16
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Originally Posted by Denner:


Externals.....
Funny: For a long time the price for those necessary (to collectors) hard drives generally went down - but lately the price is skyrocketing.....
When now looking for a new of the sames I got, the price (close to worldwide) is about 50% higher?????


You mean you weren't aware there were widespread floods in Thailand at the end of 2011 that severely affected the HDD supply chain there? Thailand produces 25% of the world's HDD. They are the second largest manufacturer, China is the first.

As the badandy400 link says, though, prices are dropping but unlikely to get to pre-flood prices in the short term.

03-31-12  08:53am - 937 days #17
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Last day of March 2012

Ineo Poseidon 3.5-Inch 2TB Network Attached Storage Black I-NA316ND-2T - Buy It Now E-Bay $132.19

Overstock.com - Fantom Drive GreenDrive 2 TB Hard Drive $155

Amazon.com - Seagate Expansion 2 TB USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive STAY2000102 $125

Amazon.com - Western Digital My Book Essential 2 TB USB 3.0/2.0 Desktop External Hard Drive WDBACW0020HBK-NESN $129

Just a quick search - about what I paid for my WD My Book Essential 18 months ago. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

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03-31-12  08:57am - 937 days #18
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Originally Posted by atrapat:


You mean you weren't aware there were widespread floods in Thailand at the end of 2011 that severely affected the HDD supply chain there? Thailand produces 25% of the world's HDD. They are the second largest manufacturer, China is the first.

As the badandy400 link says, though, prices are dropping but unlikely to get to pre-flood prices in the short term.


No, I did not know - always looks for "Made in...." - and none of my four, no five somewhat non-expensive externals have either Thailand or China printed on them (or the package).
Well, maybe someone, somewhere took me or the dealer for a ride....LOL.

But then again: Why has things changed so much, regarding the price - in general?
Maybe your guess is as good as mine, or...? "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

03-31-12  10:57am - 937 days #19
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Unfortunately, it's not my guess. According to this Western Digital link, their production facilities in Thailand were literally under water last October.

http://www.wdc.com/en/company/thailandupdates/

I guess an image is worth a thousand words:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/busine....html?pagewanted=all

03-31-12  07:23pm - 937 days #20
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Originally Posted by atrapat:



I guess an image is worth a thousand words:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/busine....html?pagewanted=all


That image proves the hard drive makers are using the recent floods as an excuse to jack up the hard drive prices.

As anyone can plainly see, and as the article points out, the flooding was only neck-deep. Most of the Western Digital plant remains safely above the water!

Shame on the hard drive makers for taking money out of our pockets just because we need the storage for our porn collections.

04-01-12  08:22am - 936 days #21
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Originally Posted by atrapat:


Unfortunately, it's not my guess. According to this Western Digital link, their production facilities in Thailand were literally under water last October.

http://www.wdc.com/en/company/thailandupdates/

I guess an image is worth a thousand words:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/07/busine....html?pagewanted=all


Interesting ...and same goes for that photo...

But: Is this Thai factory so important that this flooding has influence on the entire external HD market???

Or... and ok, maybe it's like lk2 points out:

"That image proves the hard drive makers are using the recent floods as an excuse to jack up the hard drive prices." "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

04-01-12  09:13am - 936 days #22
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I certainly don't know positively, but they, or some other regionally flooded manufacturing facilities might also make parts for hard drives and factories all of the world, so it's not a stretch to reason the floods could negatively affect HD prices worldwide.

04-01-12  10:09am - 936 days #23
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Originally Posted by t9chome:


I certainly don't know positively, but they, or some other regionally flooded manufacturing facilities might also make parts for hard drives and factories all of the world, so it's not a stretch to reason the floods could negatively affect HD prices worldwide.


Exactly, not only were WD directly affected but also Nidec who provide the motors for most hard drives on the market were hit hard. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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04-12-12  09:57am - 925 days #24
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Newegg.com has a deal on an internal 2T Seagate 7200RPM for $119 inc. 1 yr warranty (norm $14.99) cheap shipping too (mine-3day-was $1.99)

04-12-12  04:23pm - 925 days #25
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That is still 6 cents/GB. A very high price. I was paying about 3.2 before the flood. I am glad to see them come down, but they have a good way to go yet. The same speculators that cause oil prices to go up are messing with this market too. The bastards screw me every which direction. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~

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05-18-12  11:43am - 889 days #26
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Hitachi Externals 1T $79.99 2T $99.99 at Fry's unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

05-18-12  08:39pm - 889 days #27
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Maybe there are sales, but external hard drive prices are still mostly more than 50% above what they were before the flooding in eastern Asia last year.

05-19-12  12:28am - 889 days #28
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Hard drive prices to remain high through 2014 Arguing with some people is like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, shits all over the board, then flies back to its flock to claim victory.

05-21-12  12:44pm - 886 days #29
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But isn't that what we do - buy stuff on sale? If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

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05-21-12  04:53pm - 886 days #30
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I would think some of you guys get bulk discounts, no? Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars.
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05-22-12  05:20am - 885 days #31
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Just as a little aside, I would add that I believe you get the best quality and reliability by buying an internal hard drive, a good third party external enclosure and assembling and formatting the thing yourself.

I use Icy Box enclosures. They are made of metal and are very well ventilated with mesh on three edges of the enclosure. This contrasts with the products sold as external drives, which are usually in plastic enclosures which are virtually or completely unventilated and cannot be easily dismantled either.

If you want a drive which is bigger than 2.2TiB (2.2 thousand billion bytes), the self build option will not work on some OSs. For such very large drives, the manufacturers' external enclosures contain some clever hardware which allows legacy OSs to access them.

I am successfully using 2TiB and 1.5TiB drives in Icy Box enclosures with Windows XP.

Drive manufacturers quote their sizes as if TB and TiB were the same thing. So what is sold as a 2TB drive is really a 2TiB drive. A true 2TB drive would hold 2*1024^4 bytes, whereas a drive sold as 2TB actually holds 2*1000^4 bytes and so is actually 2TiB. A 2TiB drive holds 1.82TB, or 1.81TB after accounting for drive overheads. Edited on May 22, 2012, 05:26am

05-24-12  04:08pm - 883 days #32
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Maybe there are sales, but external hard drive prices are still mostly more than 50% above what they were before the flooding in eastern Asia last year.


(This is to anyone who may have an answer, not just lk2fireone.)

Not to sound too dumb, but why is almost every single computer component made outside of the U.S.?

I understand for end user products like iPads, iPhones, laptops, etc. that there's a lot of assembly involved that requires cheap, mostly regulation-free, manual labor, but why so for somewhat similar individual components? Intel still fabricates a number of their chips in the States, though they have the majority of their assembly plants overseas.

Would it ever be possible to do something similar and fabricate hard drive parts in the U.S. then ship them somewhere else to be cheaply assembled? Would seem to address the problem of natural disaster-related supply problems like in east Asia.

I'm not so naïve as to think that a lot of companies would really embrace this. Apple is probably the best current example--they charge prices that don't reflect how cheap their overseas labor really is, especially considering other companies use the same workers and factories. There's even a slight hint at Apple products' Americaness when so many have "Designed by Apple in California Assembled in China" printed somewhere on them.

Probably just wishful thinking on my part... "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

05-24-12  04:13pm - 883 days #33
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Originally Posted by Claypaws:


If you want a drive which is bigger than 2.2TiB (2.2 thousand billion bytes), the self build option will not work on some OSs. For such very large drives, the manufacturers' external enclosures contain some clever hardware which allows legacy OSs to access them.


Can't you get around this by making partitions that are 2TB or smaller? Not the most ideal solution, but you get the whole drive space, just not in a single partition. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

05-25-12  11:57am - 882 days #34
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Western Digital internal 1TB $79 Fry's



Self assembly using an internal drive and a 3rd party enclosure will give you ventilation and an ON OFF switch. Having to pull the power cord to power down will wear out the connection in no time at all. unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

05-26-12  02:44am - 882 days #35
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Can't you get around this by making partitions that are 2TB or smaller? Not the most ideal solution, but you get the whole drive space, just not in a single partition.


Unfortunately, partitioning does not help. The problem arises because of the limitations of the Master Boot Record. This means that the legacy OS (for example Windows XP) cannot see more than 2^32 512byte logical sectors on the physical drive, regardless of how it is partitioned or the physical sector size on the drive. (Drive firmware presents the OS with 512byte logical sectors regardless of the physical sector size). That results in the legacy OS being unable to see more than 2.2TiB of physical disk, regardless of how it is partitioned.

I could go into the detail of how Advanced Format drives in manufacturers' external enclosures include a hardware solution to this problem but it is quite complicated.

It is a pity that the additional hardware is not available in third party enclosures. I still prefer self assembly with third party enclosures but have to accept the 2.2TiB limit on the size of the physical drive.

06-24-12  01:51am - 853 days #36
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For those in the UK, just saw this and picked myself up one:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-...340527659&sr=8-2

I have 2 of the 1TB models already and they're very quiet and reliable (so far!), at £145 they were too pricey but at under £100 it's a good price I think (the 3TB model is now available for £145).

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06-24-12  02:46am - 853 days #37
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For those in the UK, just saw this and picked myself up one:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-...340527659&sr=8-2

I have 2 of the 1TB models already and they're very quiet and reliable (so far!), at �145 they were too pricey but at under �100 it's a good price I think (the 3TB model is now available for �145).

Toby



Agreed, I bought the WD Elements 3TB 6 months ago from Amazon for £150 as at the time it worked out the best £ per TB deal and so far no problems. The only negative I would say about it is that it doesn't have a separate on/off switch like on my Iomegas so when connected to the pc its always on.

07-13-12  08:23pm - 833 days #38
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Having decided a few years ago that I didnt like Western Digital's Hard drives as well as others, Seagate and Hitachi.
My last three drives have been Hitachi.

I opend the Fry's ads this morning and what do I see?

Hitachi, A Western Digital Company


4T Hitachi internal $249

2T WD external $114

240G Corsair solid state $159

120G PNY solid state unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

08-25-12  09:07pm - 790 days #39
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WD 2 TB Caviar Black WD2002FAEX - $144.49 on Amazon right now. Pretty good for a drive that was $220 a few weeks ago.

Edit:
And, just like that, the drive went up to $168.54. Arguing with some people is like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, shits all over the board, then flies back to its flock to claim victory. Edited on Aug 26, 2012, 01:13am

09-07-12  08:32pm - 777 days #40
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From Fry's this morning


Hitachi External 2T $ 89

Toshiba External 3T $189 unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

09-08-12  08:26am - 776 days #41
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Originally Posted by Micha:


From Fry's this morning


Hitachi External 2T $ 89

Toshiba External 3T $189


Nice Mica looks like they are dropping.

09-08-12  10:15am - 776 days #42
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I don't know how many people look at the different types of drives when considering a new purchase. For instance, Western Digital has blue, green and black series. The black is optimized for performance, are noisier than the others and use a lot of power. The blue is for general use, with a good balance of performance, power consumption and noise. The green is designed to use as little power as possible and make as little noise as possible, with some sacrifice of performance.

I bring this up here because the cheaper drives, from WD and other manufacturers, usually fall into the "green" category like I just mentioned - and they typically, at least in my experience, turn up with errors and complete failures before the more performance-rated drives.

Any of you drive junkies have any thoughts or similar experiences with this? Arguing with some people is like trying to play chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, shits all over the board, then flies back to its flock to claim victory. Edited on Sep 08, 2012, 11:43am

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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:




Any of you drive junkies have any thoughts or similar experiences with this?


Hi RB , I won't buy green because of the failure rating another note is bearings, green drives are not typical sealed bearing and to save money and friction contain polymers that are designed to do so, however are subject to heat disintegration over time and over use. I would only use a green a strict back up seldom used. Even then, I would be wary ! Good point to bring up RB.

11-25-12  10:27am - 698 days #44
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At Fry's


Iomega 3T external $99

Hitachi 1T external $58

Hitachi 2T external $99 unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

11-26-12  02:06am - 698 days #45
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Originally Posted by Micha:


At Fry's


Iomega 3T external $99

Hitachi 1T external $58

Hitachi 2T external $99



How I wish I could buy them for those kind of prices here in Rip Off UK, cheapest on Amazon is a 3TB Seagate for £103 (GBP) which is still about $165 (USD) although good to see prices have come down considerably since I paid £145 for my 3TB Western Digital a year ago.

11-26-12  06:25am - 697 days #46
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I think the quoted prices for the hard drives in the post above may be misleading.

I checked the Fry's ads yesterday, and did not find the Iomega 3TB external listed.

Maybe it was a one-day sale, from a couple of days ago. But the post that showed that price was from yesterday morning, 10:27am (PST, which is Pacific Standard Time, where the Fry's chain is located). And that price was not available.

In the US, there is a Black Friday sale that takes place one day after Thanksgiving, which just took place. Many retail businesses offer great bargains on many items, but the quantities are usually limited to stock on hand, and the stock on hand may be very limited.

I saw an ad at Costco (a retailer) for a 3TB Seagate external hard drive for $99. But the online site sold out of that hard drive very fast, and I missed out. The physical Costco store I went to was already out of that item when I went there on Friday, which was the starting date of the sale.

Hard drive prices seem to be cheaper in the US than in the UK. But you can't get a 3TB external hard drive for $99. It will probably cost around $135 for a Western Digital or Seagate external hard drive of that capacity in the US. The $135 price does not include sales tax, which adds another 9% to the final price in California. Edited on Nov 26, 2012, 06:30am

11-26-12  08:17am - 697 days #47
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Got this Western Digital HD 3TB 2.0 USB recently for around $145 from the net in Europe (Denmark) - it seems slow in start up - but use it for back up for my top stash.

BTW: Never got around to get a 3.0 USB - is it much faster in copying? - like if I copy, say: 25 Gb of vids/sets - it'll take around 15-20 minutes to finish - with an "old" 2.0 USB. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

11-27-12  02:27pm - 696 days #49
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I was able to get the Amazon lightning deal on a Seagate 3.0 USB, 3TB for $89.99 last week, but so far, I'm not completely happy with it. On Denner's question, the 3.0 USB is faster, comparing it to moving from a 2.0 to 2.0, I'm seeing double the speed, but that's also the problem. I have Windows 7, PC is a higher end HP. If I leave it plugged up when powering down, then restart it, Windows won't start. I was able to find many instances of this happening since my PC is trying to boot from the external. I've tried each method Seagate has provided to fix this, but none have worked. I can at least say Seagate has been very responsive and friendly.

I still wouldn't ever call myself more than an intermediate in computer literacy, but they have had me going in bios, reordering boot sequences, still isn't working and they seem to acknowledge it is a big problem they are having. It really isn't that bad since the plug is right in front of me and I can just plug it back up after Windows starts, but it's still a little frustrating. “You cannot blame porn. When I was young, I used to masturbate to Gilligan's Island.” - Ron Jeremy

11-28-12  07:07am - 695 days #50
Denner (233)
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Originally Posted by exotics4me:


I was able to get the Amazon lightning deal on a Seagate 3.0 USB, 3TB for $89.99 last week, but so far, I'm not completely happy with it. On Denner's question, the 3.0 USB is faster, comparing it to moving from a 2.0 to 2.0, I'm seeing double the speed, but that's also the problem. I have Windows 7, PC is a higher end HP. If I leave it plugged up when powering down, then restart it, Windows won't start. I was able to find many instances of this happening since my PC is trying to boot from the external. I've tried each method Seagate has provided to fix this, but none have worked. I can at least say Seagate has been very responsive and friendly.

I still wouldn't ever call myself more than an intermediate in computer literacy, but they have had me going in bios, reordering boot sequences, still isn't working and they seem to acknowledge it is a big problem they are having. It really isn't that bad since the plug is right in front of me and I can just plug it back up after Windows starts, but it's still a little frustrating.


Still it seems like a bummer, exotics...Not sure, but somewhere along the line - somewhere here a fellow PU said somethings about Seagate - was it a warning? In my blurred, old brain, I think so - and avoided that brand...But that WD 3TB, I bought, is not up to par, either. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

11-30-12  12:19pm - 693 days #51
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Originally Posted by Denner:


Still it seems like a bummer, exotics...Not sure, but somewhere along the line - somewhere here a fellow PU said somethings about Seagate - was it a warning? In my blurred, old brain, I think so - and avoided that brand...But that WD 3TB, I bought, is not up to par, either.


It's definitely more frustrating than it should be, but I am trying to put a positive spin on it. I'm thinking since I don't even plug it in when not in use, maybe it will be less wear and tear on it. Outside of the one problem, it's the closest to my favorite external, the Western Digital Elements. I have two of the Elements and they have everything I like. The only external I had a major problem with was a WD My Book 1 GB, a few years ago, but it wasn't the external's fault. I was opening a window behind my desk and accidentally knocked it off the desk. Even at that, it will still open and let me remove the content from it, but it won't let me write to it. Most of my problems with externals have been minor annoyances like big flashing lights on them, having trouble waking them up when they go to sleep. Hopefully I'm not jinxing myself by saying that! “You cannot blame porn. When I was young, I used to masturbate to Gilligan's Island.” - Ron Jeremy

12-03-12  02:38pm - 690 days #52
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For any Canucks on the site, I just bought a new 2TB WD drive at Costco for $140. This is the kind that doesn't require separate AC power, which tend to be a little more expensive and lot more convenient. This was in the store so the price is likely higher online to build in for their 'free' shipping. This is a $40 price drop in about a month.

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